23:29 Rizen: would u like the mod now or after u applie current ones?
23:29 Rizen: nvm
23:30 Avishay: ;p
23:30 Rizen: mind if i irc?
23:30 Rizen: I only have half an hour left today and won't be loggin on for 2 days after
23:30 Avishay: erm alright
23:31 Rizen: ok
23:31 *Rizen is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/921369 (K)NoW_NAME - Knew day [Normal]]
23:31 Rizen: I went through the comboing quickly and it looks like it's kinda inconsistent
23:31 Rizen: afaik, it's best to keep comboing in easier diffs consistent
23:32 Avishay: erm, I'll go through it later then
23:32 Rizen: i.e. 00:25:220 (1,2,3,1,2,1) -
23:32 Rizen: following that pattern, 00:30:020 (4) - should be NC'd
23:32 Rizen: so just go through the comboing again
23:32 Rizen: that ends the NC part, lol
23:33 Rizen: 00:18:220 (5,6) - maybe repeating slider 5 would suit it better
23:34 Rizen: it'll decrease object density, and would go well with the violin swings
23:35 Avishay: yeah it does
23:36 Rizen: 00:46:420 (2,3) - try ctrl+g'ing the rhythm
23:36 Rizen: so it's slider then circle
23:36 Rizen: that's because the vocals at 00:46:420 (2) - is kinda similar to vocals at 00:46:020 (1) -
23:37 Rizen: and vocals at 00:46:820 (3) - is kinda pausesish
23:37 Avishay: cool
23:38 Rizen: so about this song
23:38 Rizen: the vocalist sings the chorus high points 1/1 before downbeats
23:38 Rizen: instrument downbeats*
23:38 Rizen: e.g. 00:53:820 (4,1) -
23:38 Rizen: so i think swapping comboing there would work better
23:38 Rizen: because 00:53:820 (4) - is stronger than 00:54:420 (1) -
23:39 Avishay: you're right, I wasn't really sure where I should put those because usually you need to follow the downbeats
23:39 Rizen: again at 00:53:820 (4,1) -
23:39 Rizen: so apply those for the rest mm
23:40 Rizen: 01:02:620 (2,1) - is this a break in DS i see?
23:41 Avishay: oops
23:41 Rizen: 01:12:620 (2,3,4,5,6) - this pattern could be a lot neater imo
23:42 Rizen: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/p45JKdW.jpg
23:42 Avishay: the only thing you changed it the shape of the second slider?
23:43 Avishay: ah
23:43 Avishay: the consecutive notes' placement too
23:43 Rizen: [https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/puGD1Fh.jpg before]
23:43 Rizen: so it goes in like a circular pattern
23:45 Rizen: ok carrying on
23:45 *Rizen is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/921634 (K)NoW_NAME - Knew day [Advanced]]
23:46 Rizen: about comboing for the first part at 00:02:820 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,1,2) -
23:46 Avishay: did the same thing with NCs on advanced
23:46 Rizen: ok
23:46 Rizen: next point, lol
23:47 Avishay: wait, I was talking about the NCs at the kiai
23:47 Rizen: missed NC at 00:23:620 (4) - maybe
23:47 Rizen: oh
23:47 Avishay: what did you want to say about those in the beginning?
23:47 Rizen: try NCing only the following for beginning part
23:47 Rizen: 00:02:820 (1) -
23:47 Rizen: 00:04:420 (1) -
23:47 Rizen: 00:05:820 (1) -
23:47 Rizen: 00:07:820 (1) -
23:47 Rizen: 00:09:020 (1) -
23:48 Rizen: works better imo
23:48 Rizen: try ctrl+g'ing the rhythm at 00:17:220 (1,2) -
23:49 Rizen: less stain to go to slider than circle after a triple
23:49 Rizen: also makes the "clap" white tick clickable
23:50 Avishay: but the clap is on the red tick >.>
23:50 Avishay: if the claps landed on the white ticks then sure
23:50 Rizen: whoops
23:50 Rizen: im deaf
23:50 Rizen: mmm
23:50 Rizen: forget that
23:51 Rizen: then maybe at 00:22:020 (1,2) -
23:51 Rizen: actually
23:51 Rizen: ignore that one too
23:51 Rizen: it'll make it too difficult
23:53 Rizen: 00:33:020 (4,5) - maybe align these horizontally
23:53 Rizen: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/8JxB30l.png
23:53 Rizen: because right now, it just seems kinda sloppy imo
23:53 Rizen: but that could just be a personal thing so mm..
23:53 Avishay: spacing is a bitch ::<
23:54 Avishay: actually
23:54 Avishay: I got it
23:55 Rizen: 00:36:820 (1) - change to finish instead of clap
23:55 Rizen: and slider head of 00:37:620 (3) - to clap instead of finish
23:56 Rizen: cymbals in music is at 00:36:820 (1) -
23:56 Rizen: and no cymbals at 00:37:620 (3) -
23:57 Avishay: it doesn't really sound well
23:57 Avishay: 00:36:820 (1) - there is not cumbal here
23:57 Avishay: cymbal*
23:57 Avishay: no*
23:58 Avishay: and the finish is appropriate on the place it is
00:00 Rizen: i still disagree with that tbh, but i'll just move on (finish where it is right now seems kinda weird for me)
00:03 Rizen: I think 01:14:720 (5) - is overmapped?
00:04 Avishay: some really low violin there
00:04 Rizen: a circle could be added at 01:00:920 - , which would level off the difficulties between both kiais
00:05 Rizen: and there's a sound to map there
00:05 Avishay: indeed
00:06 Rizen: ok about 01:14:620 (4) - , maybe a repeat slider would fit it better
00:06 Rizen: would ease the transition to the spinner
00:07 Avishay: peak of the kiai, doesn't really seem reasonable
00:09 Rizen: 01:17:620 (1) - maybe a 3/4 slider then circle on downbeat?
00:09 Rizen: imo, advanced is hard enough for that
00:10 Avishay: for an advanced? eghh
00:10 Avishay: regardless this rhythm sounds and plays realyl well
00:10 Rizen: mm ok
00:10 Rizen: i'll move on to next diff before i run out of time zz
00:11 Rizen: oh
00:11 Rizen: advanced circle size is 3.5 but hard circle size is 3?
00:11 Avishay: yeah
00:12 Rizen: can i hear the reason for that? ;d
00:13 Avishay: nothing interesting lol, as Hard introduces even harder rhythms I wanted to keep the spread somewhat reasonable with decreasing the CS
00:13 Rizen: mm
00:14 Rizen: ok i'll just move to next point i guess
00:14 Rizen: is there a missing whistle on 00:20:020 (6) - ?
00:14 Avishay: o ye
00:14 Avishay: I'll fix it in other diffsto
00:14 Avishay: o
00:14 Rizen: ok
00:16 Rizen: tbh, i don't really approve of the pattern at 00:31:620 (1,2,3) -
00:16 Rizen: slider 3 is "hidden" by slider 2
00:17 Rizen: not to mention the DS severely decreases compared to before
00:18 Avishay: alright
00:19 Rizen: an alternative could be something like [https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/pOMh9Bs.jpg this]
00:20 Rizen: but you'll probably come up with something better
00:22 Rizen: spacing consistency though at the part at 00:37:820 (6,1) -
00:22 Rizen: so at 00:37:820 (6,1) - , downbeat is spaced
00:22 Rizen: but then 00:41:620 (3,4) - is spaced
00:23 Rizen: [https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/Jtd0eKU.jpg try this maybe] at 00:40:020 (3,4,5,6,1) -
00:24 Rizen: too many NCs at 00:49:420 (1,1,2,1,2,1,1,1) - mmm
00:25 Avishay: ncs are on purpose :P
00:25 Rizen: why not 00:49:420 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - ?
00:25 Avishay: look at the higher diffs and you'll understand
00:25 Avishay: it is just that the spacing increases
00:26 Rizen: yeah but I don't really think NC spam on a hard is necessary
00:26 Rizen: u only really see that on higher diffs
00:26 Rizen: ok moving on
00:28 Avishay: as for the downbeat part, I'll leaveit as it is now, vocal just feel different and the whole section too, I might find something more consistent to do later
00:28 Rizen: following the spacing at 00:57:220 (1,2) - , which is increased because of clap, it would mean 00:58:020 (6,7) - should be more spaced too
00:28 Avishay: the back and forth movement is giving the emphasization here
00:28 Rizen: second part may be following vocals but i think it's best to follow only drums or vocals in such a short time
00:28 Avishay: and yes it does follow vocals too
00:29 Rizen: mm ok
00:29 Rizen: carrying on
00:31 Rizen: smoothing out 01:10:620 (4) - would be a good idea imo
00:31 Rizen: right now it's kinda squished up
00:31 Rizen: and would also be easier for players to know it's a slider and not circles
00:31 Avishay: alright
00:31 Rizen: [https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/jo4JyMp.png like this]
00:32 Rizen: 01:14:420 (1) - NC maybe
00:33 Rizen: 01:22:620 (1) - nice slider
00:33 Avishay: trying my best on those xd
00:34 Rizen: 01:16:220 (2) - I wouldn't really recommend using a twice repeat slider
00:34 Rizen: those are really old fashioned lately
00:34 Rizen: and because uhh
00:34 Rizen: hold on
00:35 Rizen: majority of other sliders in diff repeat once
00:35 Avishay: yeah but this is special
00:35 Rizen: also swap NCs at 01:19:420 (5,1) -
00:35 Avishay: vv
00:35 Rizen: if special, make it look better please mmmmm
00:36 Avishay: zzzz
00:36 Rizen: because it's like juuuust not symmetrical
00:36 Avishay: okay
00:36 Avishay: you're right lol
00:36 Rizen: sliders at 01:18:620 (3,5) - could have more curve
00:37 Rizen: [https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/ipa5TDB.png go hard or go home]
00:37 Avishay: oki
00:37 Rizen: okkk
00:37 *Rizen is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/921368 (K)NoW_NAME - Knew day [Insane]]
00:38 Rizen: 00:02:220 (3,4) - switch positions maybe?
00:38 Rizen: plays better imo
00:39 Rizen: because currently it's like a trapezium flow
00:39 Avishay: I've had that before
00:39 Avishay: actually
00:39 Rizen: why change? x.x
00:39 Avishay: because I wanted to emphasize thes lider mroe xd
00:40 Avishay: but nvm I'll revert it
00:40 Rizen: I would move 00:10:620 (5) - somewhere else
00:40 Rizen: like stacking tail of 00:09:220 (1) -
00:41 Rizen: it would make 00:10:620 (5,1) - movement smoother
00:41 Avishay: alrighty
00:44 Rizen: 00:40:621 (4) - I would make this two circles instead
00:45 Rizen: to make vocals and clap clickable
00:46 Rizen: [https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/Zdccoc5.png pattern maybe like this]
00:46 Avishay: cool
00:46 Rizen: if u apply that, do to 00:47:020 (4) - too maybe
00:48 Rizen: 01:01:020 (4,5) - such a large spacing change mmm
00:49 Avishay: it was smaller but the 1/2 gap hmm
00:50 Rizen: mm
00:50 Rizen: could u change the slider shape of 01:01:520 (6) - though?
00:50 Rizen: or at least ease the angle
00:51 Avishay: yeah
00:51 Rizen: [https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/dEd3apH.jpg like this]
00:52 Rizen: 01:02:920 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - this pattern can be incredibly confusing!
00:52 Avishay: that's the purpose lol, but AR and NC help fairly
00:52 Rizen: mm
00:53 Rizen: could try moving 01:04:020 (2) - to x192 y63
00:53 Rizen: but if u like the current, is ok
00:53 Avishay: actually I like your suggested placement a lot
00:54 Rizen: oooeee
00:54 Rizen: 01:04:620 (5,1) - try swapping NC's here
00:54 Rizen: spacings at 01:04:420 (4,1,2) - look too similar to each other imo
00:54 Avishay: it was like that at the beginning
00:54 Avishay: but people suggested I do that
00:55 Rizen: then maybe move 01:04:720 (6) - closer to previous circle 5?
00:55 Rizen: so it acts as a bit like a propeller
00:56 Rizen: and so people will be less confused with 01:04:420 (4,5,6) - spacings
00:56 Rizen: [https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/4DXbASv.png like this]
00:56 Avishay: looks awkward
00:56 Avishay: and even more confusing
00:56 Avishay: current one is okay
00:56 Rizen: ok
00:56 Rizen: 01:08:220 (7,1) - swap NCs
00:57 Rizen: same thing about NCs as mentioned earlier
00:57 Rizen: in kiai times
00:58 Avishay: ye ye
00:58 Avishay: will go over it
00:59 Rizen: yeah that's all i suppose for insane
00:59 Rizen: alternative maps mmmm
00:59 Avishay: blame 150bpm lel
01:00 Rizen: and damn it's 1am where i am already
01:00 Rizen: I was meant to sleep at 12am zzz...
01:00 Avishay: :<
01:00 Rizen: i need to
01:00 Rizen: gym tomorrow
01:00 Avishay: well just go to sleep
01:00 Rizen: I had a breakdown today
01:00 Rizen: from stress
01:00 Rizen: mm..
01:03 Rizen: looks mostly fine tbh for an alternative extra
01:03 Rizen: but try 01:21:020 (7,8,1) - ctrl+g
01:03 Rizen: then ctrl+g 01:21:420 (2,3) -
01:04 Rizen: and maybe rearrange 01:21:020 (7,8,1) -
01:04 Avishay: yeah I was just about to say that lol