Stream = more tapping. Jump = more aiming. Wow complicated.
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What is the main component of streaming?
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Who would've thought that b1rd can't think of how wording the question and providing more information changes responses.B1rd wrote:
Who would have thought, despite the angry G&R mob the large majority of people still agree with me :^)
E.G, Kanoset's assumptions
KanoSet wrote:
oh i thought you guys were talking about 5.5* and above 200bpm crazy stuff only
well if it's in a range that i can tap comfortablly then aiming is streaming i would say
but i don't believe bird assumed that either
Yeah, anyone can completely change the question being asked to get others to agree with them.
Post your amazing FD4D FC, make another poll with options "agree"/"disagree" that saysB1rd wrote:
Who would have thought, despite the angry G&R mob the large majority of people still agree with me :^)
The reason why people are disagreeing with you is because you say that, then post a fucking Relax Freedom Dive FC to support your argument and go on claiming you have experience with what makes streams hard.B1rd wrote:
Streams are about tapping and hand synchronisation. Spaced streams are not hard to aim, all you need to do is move your hand at a constant rate to hit a spaced stream.
Damn son you have people that agree with you, your parents must be very proud *slow clap*B1rd wrote:
Who would have thought, despite the angry G&R mob the large majority of people still agree with me :^)
Talking about search for acceptance this guy is desperate af
Topic Starter
Khelly wrote:
Who would've thought that b1rd can't think of how wording the question and providing more information changes responses.B1rd wrote:
Who would have thought, despite the angry G&R mob the large majority of people still agree with me :^)
I don't understand how anyone can possibly misconstrue my argument as anything other than 'tapping and not aim is the main element of streaming', but I knew people would which is why I made a new thread to phrase the question in absolutely the most simple form possible.Mahogany wrote:
Yeah, anyone can completely change the question being asked to get others to agree with them.
Now, if you want to try and backpedal and say' hey, that's not what we were arguing about!' then tell me what we were arguing about so I can go back and explain in detail the meaning of my replies. Otherwise, accept that you are wrong or have a contrarian opinion and stop being so salty about it.
Oh hey, someone here is using common sense, am I dreaming?KukiMonster wrote:
Stream = more tapping. Jump = more aiming. Wow complicated.
I'd say tapping except for spaced streams, those things are evil.
TL;DR:
By b1rd logic main problem with streams in Dragonforce maps, Blue Zenith, Ice Angel, Babymetal is tapping, not aim.
You - Are - An - Idiot
This whole poll is as stupid as it's creator because comparing burst stacks to spaced streams is like comparing a bike to a exclusive car - fuckin retarded.
Very fuckin funny that i can 99% acc 170 bpm stack for over 1 min but i cannot properly aim Ice Angel streams.
Very fuckin tapping problem, ayyyy lmao.
Yo b1rd, who the fuck boosted your acc with pp? With who you shared your account?
I barely see anyone who played long time, got over 3kpp and spreading such dumb fucked theories.
EoT.
By b1rd logic main problem with streams in Dragonforce maps, Blue Zenith, Ice Angel, Babymetal is tapping, not aim.
You - Are - An - Idiot
This whole poll is as stupid as it's creator because comparing burst stacks to spaced streams is like comparing a bike to a exclusive car - fuckin retarded.
Very fuckin funny that i can 99% acc 170 bpm stack for over 1 min but i cannot properly aim Ice Angel streams.
Very fuckin tapping problem, ayyyy lmao.
Yo b1rd, who the fuck boosted your acc with pp? With who you shared your account?
I barely see anyone who played long time, got over 3kpp and spreading such dumb fucked theories.
EoT.
I notice you always seem to insult people when you disagree with them.[Taiga] wrote:
TL;DR:
By b1rd logic main problem with streams in Dragonforce maps, Blue Zenith, Ice Angel, Babymetal is tapping, not aim.
You - Are - An - Idiot
This whole poll is as stupid as it's creator because comparing burst stacks to spaced streams is like comparing a bike to a exclusive car - fuckin retarded.
Very fuckin funny that i can 99% acc 170 bpm stack for over 1 min but i cannot properly aim Ice Angel streams.
Very fuckin tapping problem, ayyyy lmao.
Yo b1rd, who the fuck boosted your acc with pp? With who you shared your account?
I barely see anyone who played long time, got over 3kpp and spreading such dumb fucked theories.
EoT.
is it really necessary to accuse someone of multi-accounting just because they have a different idea/opinion to you?
anyway, back to the topic. The argument of whether the main component of streaming being either aim or tapping is fundamentally flawed because some streams are spaces and some are not while some are longer or higher bpm. It's situational.
But I will say that for the most part, tapping is more important than aim (if we are talking about getting good accuracy here) since you need to be able to tap fast enough or slow enough while your aim can be slightly worse off and you would probably be okay since the cursor only needs to be on the circle.
at least that's my opinion
I notice you always seem to insult people when you disagree with them.Then you don't keep up on all my discussions, i tend to discuss a lot even if i dont disagree.
This case is just plain stupid.
is it really necessary to accuse someone of multi-accounting just because they have a different idea/opinion to you?It's hard to believe that 4k pp player is missleading others with bullshit theory that aim is minor impact of streams and tapping is everything.
Tapping is main component of stacks, close stacks. Whenever stream start to be spaced, in other word stream is not stacked - aim takes same place to tapping, in case of weirdly shaped / high ds streams, aim have even higher impact than tapping.
Not mention jumpstreams / moderated distyance snapping like in for example 8-bit princess where aim have way higer impact on streaming acc than tapping.
Pls, nobody will tell me that for example Cookiezi don't FC Road to resistance HR becouse of tapping...
Even tho Taiga is a dick most of the times hes 100% right here and what he stated now isnt an opinion but a fact.
My bad, I just got blinded with all the slander[Taiga] wrote:
Then you don't keep up on all my discussions, i tend to discuss a lot even if i dont disagree.
This case is just plain stupid.
Alright, I read this thread in more detail and the other thread. I understand what you mean. We're actually both right (at least in my head we are) in the sense the the question is actually so convoluted and that 'streaming' doesn't actually imply whether the stream is spaced or not.[Taiga] wrote:
It's hard to believe that 4k pp player is missleading others with bullshit theory that aim is minor impact of streams and tapping is everything.
Tapping is main component of stacks, close stacks. Whenever stream start to be spaced, in other word stream is not stacked - aim takes same place to tapping, in case of weirdly shaped / high ds streams, aim have even higher impact than tapping.
Not mention jumpstreams / moderated distyance snapping like in for example 8-bit princess where aim have way higer impact on streaming acc than tapping.
Pls, nobody will tell me that for example Cookiezi don't FC Road to resistance HR becouse of tapping...
But assuming that you are referring to higher levels of play (5+stars?) you are definitely correct in saying that the importance of aim surges opposed to tapping. I might have gotten too muddled in the semantics of the question, sorry.
We were arguing that stream requires aimB1rd wrote:
Now, if you want to try and backpedal and say' hey, that's not what we were arguing about!' then tell me what we were arguing about
This is not what we were arguing about in the original threadB1rd wrote:
'tapping and not aim is the main element of streaming'
You're changing the question immensely by forcing people to choose between tapping or aim. That was never part of the discussion. The discussion was that you said streaming did not require aim. It was not a comparison between the importance of tapping or aim, you just included tapping so that you could get people to agree with you and stroke your ego, instead of actually trying to have a discussion about this. You actually know nothing about the subject, so you're just trying to get people on your side by changing the topic and asking misleading questions, and when pressed, to just say that most people agree with you, and that you're right, which is pretty pathetic.
Also, you're showing you really know absolutely nothing by trying to use a RELAX SCORE to prove your point. RELAX SCORES mean nothing, at all. I also seem to remember you saying you can't stream at all, from a while back. If you can't even do streams, what makes you qualified to talk about them? Especially when you're arguing with Khel, who is a freak when it comes to doing streams.
I'm just going to leave this here. LOL STREAMS DONT REQUIRE AIM
B1rd wrote:
'tapping and not aim is the main element of streaming'
Easy to aim (stacks) -> tapping is main component
Easy to tap (comfortable bpm) -> aim is main component
Why is this so hard to understand....
Easy to tap (comfortable bpm) -> aim is main component
Why is this so hard to understand....
That DT by rrtyui....[Taiga] wrote:
Topic Starter
lol I can't be bothered reading these blocks of text right now,
But I never said that streaming didn't require aim. I said that streaming does require aim in some form but tapping is more important.
But I never said that streaming didn't require aim. I said that streaming does require aim in some form but tapping is more important.
vB1rd wrote:
But I never said that streaming didn't require aim. I said that streaming does require aim in some form but tapping is more important.
B1rd wrote:
'tapping and not aim is the main element of streaming'
B1rd wrote:
'tapping and not aim is the main element of streaming'
B1rd wrote:
'tapping and not aim is the main element of streaming'
You are an idiot, one more time.B1rd wrote:
'tapping and not aim is the main element of streaming'
There is countless amount of examples where aim and not tapping is main component of streams.
B1rd wrote:
lol I can't be bothered reading these blocks of text right now,
But I never said that streaming didn't require aim. I said that streaming does require aim in some form but tapping is more important.
Topic Starter
Would you be content if I said that streams are somewhat hard to aim depending on how spaced the stream? Even though spaced streams increase the tapping difficulty increases as well? Because most streams still require better tapping skill than aiming.Mahogany wrote:
B1rd wrote:
But I never said that streaming didn't require aim. I said that streaming does require aim in some form but tapping is more important.p/4922735B1rd wrote:
Spaced streams are not hard to aim
Are you trying say that I meant that streams require no aim whatsoever? Because I was meaning is that streams are more about tapping instead of being all about aim.Mahogany wrote:
p/4922648B1rd wrote:
No it's not.
Well done, you repeated the thing I've been arguing about this whole time. Are you trying to imply that the quote means stream require no aim whatsoever?[Taiga] wrote:
vB1rd wrote:
But I never said that streaming didn't require aim. I said that streaming does require aim in some form but tapping is more important.B1rd wrote:
'tapping and not aim is the main element of streaming'B1rd wrote:
'tapping and not aim is the main element of streaming'B1rd wrote:
'tapping and not aim is the main element of streaming'You are an idiot, one more time.B1rd wrote:
'tapping and not aim is the main element of streaming'
There is countless amount of examples where aim and not tapping is main component of streams.
I personally value accuracy more than aim. Not just in streams. In every aspect of gameplay I think accuracy is more important than a high combo. I still can't personally stream for too long and I usually fall behind in long streams, but it really makes me happy when I see that I completed a long stream almost perfectly. seeing the stream full of 100s and 50s doesn't really make you happy even if you can survive it.
Once you become capable of getting all 300s on most of streams you will see just how important aim is.Baka94 wrote:
I personally value accuracy more than aim. Not just in streams. In every aspect of gameplay I think accuracy is more important than a high combo. I still can't personally stream for too long and I usually fall behind in long streams, but it really makes me happy when I see that I completed a long stream almost perfectly. seeing the stream full of 100s and 50s doesn't really make you happy even if you can survive it.
Are you trying to imply that the quote means stream require no aim whatsoever?So far you didn't said anything else except trying to recover from shitty position when people prove you that aim can be way more important while streaming than 'tapping'.
Yes, it's what i understand from your mumbling.
Because I was meaning is that streams are more about tapping instead of being all about aim.That's still pure bullshit.
Over/understreaming is in most cases an aim issue.
It's way easier to tap streams in your comfortable bpm than aim them if it comes to weird shapes / spacing / jumpstreams.
Be fuckin clear with what you say and just admit you are talking about STACKS, not pure streams. I cannot call stack a stream, it's more like burst stack since it require zero or almost zero aim.
Anyway, i am done talking to you, it's pointless since Khelly, Maho also tryed to prove you that aim is very important, yet you created completly idiotic poll for whatever reason and still claim that 'tapping' is more important while... yes - we have here already videos proving that AIM is more important than tapping.
can someone just lock this, this is so pointless, as if there was an main component in the first place.
Its brain, you need it for both aim and tappingN0thingSpecial wrote:
as if there was an main component in the first place.
Definitly +1HK_ wrote:
Its brain, you need it for both aim and tappingN0thingSpecial wrote:
as if there was an main component in the first place.
HOW COULD I NEGLECT SOMETHING THIS IMPORTANT WHILE I PLAY, I CAN FINALLY SHIT OUT 600PP PLAY LEFT AND RIGHT. HK_ YOU DA REAL MVP !!111!!111111!!!!!!!HK_ wrote:
Its brain, you need it for both aim and tapping
just be yourself
well I can aim a 300bpm stream but I can't tap it so I guess I need to tap more
I can find 160 bpm streams you can tap but not aim. Your point?Arthraxium wrote:
well I can aim a 300bpm stream but I can't tap it so I guess I need to tap more
Topic Starter
You seem really buttblasted for some reason.[Taiga] wrote:
Are you trying to imply that the quote means stream require no aim whatsoever?So far you didn't said anything else except trying to recover from shitty position when people prove you that aim can be way more important while streaming than 'tapping'.
Yes, it's what i understand from your mumbling.Because I was meaning is that streams are more about tapping instead of being all about aim.That's still pure bullshit.
Over/understreaming is in most cases an aim issue.
It's way easier to tap streams in your comfortable bpm than aim them if it comes to weird shapes / spacing / jumpstreams.
Be fuckin clear with what you say and just admit you are talking about STACKS, not pure streams. I cannot call stack a stream, it's more like burst stack since it require zero or almost zero aim.
Anyway, i am done talking to you, it's pointless since Khelly, Maho also tryed to prove you that aim is very important, yet you created completly idiotic poll for whatever reason and still claim that 'tapping' is more important while... yes - we have here already videos proving that AIM is more important than tapping.
If you're gonna use this argument that 'if you can tap comfortably', then you've already admitted that you need to be able to tap it first which makes tapping the primary factor.
You say that the poll is silly, except that the poll is the exact question we're arguing about. You say that I'm trying to get out of a tough position? You're just projecting. The poll is in my favour, and so is common sense.
Relax doesn't prove anything, since it still clicks for you as soon as you arrive on the note even if you would've missed it otherwise with perfectly timed tapping due to your cursor lagging behind.
Regardless, it's incredibly convoluted to argue that aim is the most important factor to streams as a general truth since those cases where insufficient aim is the reason for not being able to clear a stream are not in the majority, generally speaking for all skill levels and maps combined.
If we look at the highest levels of play, the proportion of cases where insufficient aim is the issue increases of course. It's obvious that for Blue Zenith FD, FDFD HR etc. aim is the main issue.
I voted tapping.
Regardless, it's incredibly convoluted to argue that aim is the most important factor to streams as a general truth since those cases where insufficient aim is the reason for not being able to clear a stream are not in the majority, generally speaking for all skill levels and maps combined.
If we look at the highest levels of play, the proportion of cases where insufficient aim is the issue increases of course. It's obvious that for Blue Zenith FD, FDFD HR etc. aim is the main issue.
I voted tapping.
I was playing Eve all day, so I'm just going to post my hilarious stream aim failMahogany wrote:
Also, you're showing you really know absolutely nothing by trying to use a RELAX SCORE to prove your point. RELAX SCORES mean nothing, at all. I also seem to remember you saying you can't stream at all, from a while back. If you can't even do streams, what makes you qualified to talk about them? Especially when you're arguing with Khel, who is a freak when it comes to doing streams.
I'm just going to leave this here. LOL STREAMS DONT REQUIRE AIM
I'm going to call it fundamental but not primary since I believe streaming makes up the larger percentage of what is required. Something like "Fundamental tapping 10% Aiming 60% Being able to tap well and accurately 30%" where each layer requires the previous one.B1rd wrote:
If you're gonna use this argument that 'if you can tap comfortably', then you've already admitted that you need to be able to tap it first which makes tapping the primary factor.
That's why I originally said "Streaming IS aim" when someone wants to differentiate between aim and stream maps. (Hint, call them jump and stream maps.) Your originally reply was that it isn't.
Without being able to properly aim a stream, you cannot even begin to play that stream accurately. If the aim requirement of the stream is really fucking low, then you shouldn't have as much of a problem.
And "without being able to properly tap a stream, you cannot even begin to play that stream accurately" so it makes zero sense to compare both aspects this way.
a*b equals zero if either component is zero, both are required and you can't give percentages and layers for how much so lol. Rather you should look at a state where one CAN'T play a stream properly, and consider which of the two aspects is the cause of that statistically more often.
zzz
a*b equals zero if either component is zero, both are required and you can't give percentages and layers for how much so lol. Rather you should look at a state where one CAN'T play a stream properly, and consider which of the two aspects is the cause of that statistically more often.
zzz
Please enlighten mechainpullz wrote:
I can find 160 bpm streams you can tap but not aim.
Well 8bit princess' 150bpm streams for one
I'm saying which is required FIRST then SECOND then THIRD (You see that? Prerequesites?) and how much of a percentage it is in terms of actually skill, effort/whatever you need to stream.Drezi wrote:
And "without being able to properly tap a stream, you cannot even begin to play that stream accurately" so it makes zero sense to compare both aspects this way.
a*b equals zero if either component is zero, both are required and you can't give percentages and layers for how much so lol. Rather you should look at a state where one CAN'T play a stream properly, and consider which of the two aspects is the cause of that statistically more often.
zzz
Except it makes no sense, but I can see you're very happy with your layers.
You can't just decide that yay fundamental tapping comes first followed by aim or vica versa, one is not a prerequesite of the other just because you put them in a neat little order. You need to be able to both press buttons and move your cursor in the first place to do anything with a stream, simply one or the other might be more challenging depending on the stream/player and that's about it. (And for most people on most streams it's often tapping, which the vote seems to indicate aswell.)
You can't just decide that yay fundamental tapping comes first followed by aim or vica versa, one is not a prerequesite of the other just because you put them in a neat little order. You need to be able to both press buttons and move your cursor in the first place to do anything with a stream, simply one or the other might be more challenging depending on the stream/player and that's about it. (And for most people on most streams it's often tapping, which the vote seems to indicate aswell.)
Maps likeHK_ wrote:
Please enlighten mechainpullz wrote:
I can find 160 bpm streams you can tap but not aim.
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/903062
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/821322
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/641605
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/40017
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/683120
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/454024
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/583241
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/324516
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/904569
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/665509