If the FI(fade in) mod is useful how is it meant to be used .

If the FL mod is useful how is it meant to be used to improve yourself

And lastly, an idea of what my scroll speed should be when using these mods (mine is 23 fixed)

flashlight is basically just a static hidden with lanecover, it's like the biggest difficulty-reducing mod in the game that doesn't actually reduce score. if your normal speed is 23 use about 13 with FL, but it depends on your skin. basically ignore the bottom coverage, and only take into account the upper coverage, and check how large your playfield is after the cover

for example if your 100% playfield nomod became 60% playfield after FL covering the top (again ignore the bottom cover) then you need 60% of your scroll speed, 23*60% = 13~14


FI is hard idk how to play it

what do you mean the biggest difficulty reducing mod. Does Flash light make the song easier because that what biggest difficulty reducing mod sounds like to me. IMO flash light just makes it harder

I don't personally use any vision mods but basically it does help some players by reducing the amount of notes on screen (which means your brain has less information to process at once). Can't really go further into details but that's the gist of it as far as FL goes.

I have no idea how people use FI however.

People only use FI when they currently have too much space to read, or that they're not used to reading the amount of space osu!mania has. This is more common for SM players more than anything else - but since they play upscroll people just use Task Manager or something instead to cover up part of the playing field.

Additionally, vision mods (maybe except for HD, I never used HD) are helpful because the notes are moving at a much lower speed, which gives the player more time to comprehend the notes. The problem is that they will be forced to deal with more notes in a smaller area (i.e. denser areas) than ones without a vision mod, which generally reduces accuracy because the fine space between notes is a lot less visible and a player might not be able to get more precise judgements that way.

You've seen ppl play w/ FL in the tournament. Some like it, some can't play w/o it.

As for FI, I've never seen anyone here in oss play it. But I've seen a couple of drummania peeps play insane songs w/ FI. Dunno why and how they do that.

please don't confuse fadein with lanecover

I'd love to have a lanecover, it's legit auto-play-better difficulty reducing mod, it's also why FL is a difficulty-reducing mod because it has lanecover built-in.

meanwhile fadein extends when your combo goes up making it practically unplayable unless you're playing a chart which is already ridiculously easy for you

I know that FI (and HD) has the issue of just covering more and more of the playing field as your combo accumulates - I just wasn't sure how much it was going to cover.

Yeah, it looks almost unplayable now that I look at it. I'm used to having pretty huge lane covers (covering 40%-50% of the screen), so I assumed that the amount of space covered would be fine. Oh well, guess that's another mod to work on

Ok, so unlike most people here, I play Flashlight mod full time, and played Hidden full time before that, so I'm qualified to actually talk about it.

Vision mods are not meant as a way to improve yourself. Hardrock and random can be useful training tools, but vision mods are not useful like that. Vision mods are a personal preference mod, not something that is useful for training.

One thing vision mods have in common is that they all reduce the amount of stuff on screen at once. At first this doesn't sound useful, especially since increasing your speed also reduces the amount of notes on screen. But vision mods do have their own uses. For example, you might not be able to raise your scroll speed high enough to reduce the amount of notes on screen at once enough to be comfortable without ending up scrolling too fast to read. Vision mods allow you to keep a reasonable scroll speed and still reduce the amount of notes on screen quite a bit.

Flashlight's biggest bonus over Hidden and Fadein is that it reduces the amount of notes on screen, AND it doesn't change. Both Hidden and Fadein change with combo, but Flashlight does not, which gives it some advantage over both of those mods.

The biggest disadvantage of vision mods in general is speed changes. Hidden only covers the bottom, so speedups are not as much of a problem as slowdowns are, and Fadein only covers the top of the screen, meaning slowdowns are not as much a problem, but speedups can be worse. Flashlight on the other hand suffers from both kinds of speed changes.

When I switched from playing Hidden to playing Flashlight, I reduced my speed from 27 fixed to 13 fixed, so about half the scroll speed. (Ok, that's a bit of a lie, fixed speeds did not exist when I played hidden, but the bpm scaled speeds I used were equal to about 27 fixed)

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Redon wrote:

while also giving you a score bonus by reducing the penalty you get for bad accuracy judgements

I completely forgot about that, this is hilarious hahahahaha no fuck

Redon wrote:

while also giving you a score bonus by reducing the penalty you get for bad accuracy judgements.

yeah this is why I always get slightly better scores with HD hehe

well on a side note do you know how to remove the lines inbetween each of the columns.
And even though FL is just preference would it be useful to get better at reading patterns quickly the notes usually last on the screen for alot less time.

Stickman92 wrote:

well on a side note do you know how to remove the lines inbetween each of the columns.
And even though FL is just preference would it be useful to get better at reading patterns quickly the notes usually last on the screen for alot less time.

In the skin.ini file on the skin folder, in the mania section for the corresponding key count, add the line (or change the line if already present)

ColumnLineWidth: 0,0,0,0,0
(Amount of 0s = keycount + 1, 5 for 4k, 8 for 7k, etc...)

If you are wondering, there's this sort of player: he only requires a short amount of time to read the notes and press accordingly; too many notes in his visible area causes confusion to him, and have the tendency of losing focus on the incoming notes, and there goes down the accuracy and his performance. This is especially more apparent in heavy BMS-styled notecharts with 6 stars and above.

dunno wy but i suck without HD i guess its the same for some People with other Visual mods

ReTLoM, do you play always HD and only nomod once in a while? Getting too used to vision mods makes nomod much harder.

I'm even worse when I turn off FL.

yeah i played a long time with HD, but since 2 month i started my reborn method (Starting over the whole mania 7k difficultys and playing every song over 900k without HD and with a new playstyle "i guess softpress" dont hover the fingers like entozer in some handcam Videos i feel like improving my ACC with it!).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQdQnawYISE.