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The Fratellis - My Friend John

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Agent BA8 Rookbie
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This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 13 July 2008 at 15:27:00

Artist: The Fratellis
Title: My Friend John
BPM: 142.84
Filesize: 3540kb
Play Time: 02:50
Difficulties Available:
  1. Normal (1.93 stars, 115 notes)
  2. Hard ft. Kasada's Intro (3.86 stars, 191 notes)
Download: The Fratellis - My Friend John
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And here it is. My first ranked map. I'm so happy.
List of Credits:
Kasada - Helping me with timing, doing the intro for Hard mode, testing it a lot, helping me with the map in general, god, too much to list. (Never would've got this done without you!)
Ivalset - Testing it, giving feedback, helping me with the spinners (Those bits DID need editting!)
DawnII - Testing it, giving feedback (Thanks for the spacing help.)
Rolled - Testing it, giving feeback, giving me circle slider (Thanks!)
Sinistro - Attempting to test it, giving feedback, then properly testing it, and eventually ranking it! (Time for sleep, sorry for keeping you awake!)
BluePaladin25 - Testing it, giving me, OH NOEZ, TEH LIST (OH NOEZ. Thanks!)
MaxwellDemon - Testing it, giving feedback, Starring it! (Thanks ever so much!)
And some other people.
Last edited by Gens , edited 28 times in total.
DawnII
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DawnII
Not bad so far, still could use a bit of work though.

Minor changes to the timing, I would use an offset of 11,769. Drop the tick rate to 1 as well, 3 sounds ridiculous.

Overall things aren't bad, but there are a few prevalent spacing issues.

00:40:30 - 7 and 6 are too far apart.
00:41:59 - Although the slider starts on the downbeat, the vocals overlap and it just sounds awkward. I would move it to 00:42:11.
00:42:85 - Slider ends in an odd spot. Extend it out another timeline tick.
00:58:36 - 1 and 2 are too close together
01:03:92 - 10 starts a bit late, move it back one timeline tick.
01:36:58 - 6-10 are all oddly spaced.
01:50:44 - 3 and 4 too far apart.
01:59:26 - 6 and 7 too close.
02:39:16 - 4 and 5 too far apart.
02:41:26 - Make the spacing consistent in this section.
MaxwellDemon
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Hahaha, okay.

Beat spacing nazi is here now. :P

Normal

00:39:88 (5,6,7) - Sudden widening? XD
00:41:98 (1,2,3) - Sudden difference here too?

Anyway... uh... aside from beat spacing, turn on distance snap unless you are doing it intentionally to throw players off. It really isn't all that alarming. I am just being a nazi. :P

01:26:50 (2) - Extend to 01:27:13
01:27:29 (3) - Move it to 01:27:34
01:28:13 (4) - Move it to 01:28:07
01:41:62 (1) - Move it to 01:41:41

Very good! There is a hard difficulty coming, yes? You get a... !

And get it out of Beatmap Help. :P
Agent BA8 Rookbie
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Woah! My first star in... Well, ever! Thanks.
Anyway, I'll check the beatspacing and it's in Help because it's short of one difficulty, but I guess I can update it with the finished Hard later.
Kasada
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Kasada
Download: The Fratellis - My Friend John (Agent BA8 Rookbie) [Kasada's Hard D].osu

Here ya go. Good luck.
BluePaladin25
65 posts
Joined June 2008
BluePaladin25
OH NOES A LIST But a short one!

Normal

1:41:41 (1) - Take out the repeat and put a circle at 1:42:46
1:58:42 (5,6,7) - For some reason, these always messes me up. It sounds much better if you add a circle at 1:58:84 (between 5 and 6).

Hard

0:41:98 (1) - This should end 1/8 earlier.
0:46:60 (6) - This should end 1/8 earlier.
0:49:43 (2) - Move this ahead 1/8 of a beat.
1:03:71 (6,7) - Move these back 1/8 of a beat.
1:12:32 (1) - Move this back 1/8 of a beat.

These should be easy to fix. I'd love to see Hard get finished so I can own you at it in multiplayer, and this whole thing be ranked.
Rolled
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Rolled
First of all, 11770 offset @ 142.84 BPM (nice job with that offset DawnII)

And I don't really see any spacing flaws, but there are a few places where I expected to have a beat and there was nothing there :( Let me point some out.

I think all of the spinners end a bit suddenly. I'd change it so they end on "Learn" (example 1:25:69.) I would end that @ 1:28:00. Same with a few other similar spinners.

Also, note @ 1:03:43? I think it needs a circle there.
1:36:62-1:37:46 - There could be at least a note @ 1:37:04, but streams are nice too :)
1:48:38 - Bad snapping? I think this was an error. Just extend the slider tail a bit longer so it ends on beat.
1:59:72 - Hitcircle after the slider?
2:00:56 - Circle?

Also, let me show you how to make a perfect circle :) It's pretty easy once you learn the technique. The straighter the lines, the better the circle:

Agent BA8 Rookbie
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OK did that, adding you to the credits list.
Ivalset
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Alright, on hard:

As Rolled mentioned, the spinner @ 1:25:59 should end at 1:28:00
2:00:24 (7) should be at 2:00:14 (I think you fixed this when I mentioned it in irc, just repeating)
If you could get the circle slider to end at 2:24:50 or 2:24:08, I think it would sound better.

Alright, and the four spinners at the end of hard:
1st spinner: 2:34:58 to 2:35:42
2nd spinner: 2:37:94 to 2:38:78
3rd spinner: 2:41:30 to 2:42:14
4th spinner: 2:44:66 to 2:45:50 (I think this one was already correct)

Also, some sliders have ticks at the very end; these need to be poked gently manually so that they don't have the tick overlapping the end beat.
0:42:01 (1)
0:46:63 (6)

On normal:
1:28:07 (4) should be at 1:27:97. You might want to move the beat nearer to the slider.

Also, for some reason, the offset and bpm are slightly different in hard and normal. I don't know if it's enough to make a difference (the bpm is off by .01), just thought it was weird.
Agent BA8 Rookbie
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Fixed that. Thanks!
Ivalset
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Fixed a couple small issues on Normal and Hard.

I don't have any problems with this map anymore, so, bubbled.

Edit: Gave the slider circle a shot:

Download: The Fratellis - My Friend John (Agent BA8 Rookbie) [Hard ft. Kasada's Intro].osu
Kasada
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Kasada
Now I think it's time to give you...

Download: The Fratellis - My Friend John (Agent BA8 Rookbie) [Hard ft. Kasada's Intro AND HIS CIRCLE].osu
Rolled
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Rolled
I didn't look at kasada's or ival's, all I know is I was asked to make a circle and here it is :P

Also, fixed F and fixed a minor resnap problem.

Download: The Fratellis - My Friend John (Agent BA8 Rookbie) [Hard ft. Kasada's Intro].osu
Agent BA8 Rookbie
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Agent BA8 Rookbie
Fixed that. Thanks Rolled!
Sinistro
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Sinistro
Normal:
Change bpm from 142.83 to 142.84, recalc, resnap.
Optional: 00:43:69 (2) - The repeat of this slider sounds kinda awkward to me. How about making it one beat long and having it repeat one more time?
01:59:40 (8) - Snap it to the red line at 01:59:51.
02:04:02 (2) - Move 1/4 forward.
02:50:23 (2) - Move 1/4 forward.

Hard:
Optional: 01:36:20 (8) -The repeat of this slider sounds kinda awkward to me. How about making it half a beat long and having it repeat one more time?
Break after 02:21:14 (1) starts late. Click the break button somewhere after the end of that slider and before the beginning of the current break.

UPDATE: Aaaaand Ranked.
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