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[4K] Hit a barrier I can't seem to pass

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blitZee
17 posts
Joined August 2013
Topic Starter
blitZee
First off, I'm not entirely new to VSRGs. Played mostly DDR clones before osu!mania. And even though I've been playing for fun most of the time, I kept hitting this one barrier that made me quit numerous times. So I decided to ask for help here in hopes to get some tips.

Secondly, didn't want to post in the improvement sticky thread, since it's kind of dead, so opened a separate thread instead.

Anyways, I seem to be unable to read/play things at all when I reach the ~200 BPM zone. The only thing I can play at around 280-300 BPM 16ths is rolls. 180 BPM jumpstreams are somewhat beatable, as long as they are not reaaally dense. 200 BPM 16th streams are somewhat ok, but I tend to drop them if they last a bit longer than usual. I can somewhat play 140 BPM 16th jacks, as long as they are single taps. And numerous problems with holds I'm not gonna even name.

I want to start playing a bit more competitively, and for me that is playing faster, harder patterns instead of being an accuracy monster because in the end I still want to have fun and being able to play the fast stuff does just that for me. So anything regarding accuracy can be ignored

Here's some extra info if needed:

I use upscroll, at fixed approach speed of 27-29. My layout is SD56 (numpad), since that's the only configuration that allows for quads. I keep my eyes at the top of the screen, where the hit area is. I play most of the patters focusing on fingers mostly, don't use wrists unless playing jacks.

If there's anything else you need to know, ask away and I'll try to answer it to the best of my ability.
Any and all opinions/tips are welcome.
Moyase
10 posts
Joined June 2015
Moyase
im not the best at osu mania, but you should always look at the middle of the screen to register all of the notes, ready to tap, it should be easier to read harder patterns aswell... gl improving
edisk
47 posts
Joined August 2014
edisk
how often do you play?
blitZee
17 posts
Joined August 2013
Topic Starter
blitZee

Moyase wrote:

im not the best at osu mania, but you should always look at the middle of the screen to register all of the notes, ready to tap, it should be easier to read harder patterns aswell... gl improving
Hm, looks like i'll have to try that out. Thanks :3

edisk wrote:

how often do you play?
Mostly daily, from 1 to 3 hours on average. Don't play ranked maps too much anymore, since the skill gap between the alleged 4 stars to 4.5 stars is insane
edisk
47 posts
Joined August 2014
edisk

blitZee wrote:

Mostly daily, from 1 to 3 hours on average. Don't play ranked maps too much anymore, since the skill gap between the alleged 4 stars to 4.5 stars is insane
Try having 1-2rest days per week. I saw myself improving faster when I included rest days, not sure if it'll work for you.

EDIT: Try playing a greater variety of maps too
OperaMini0
63 posts
Joined January 2014
OperaMini0
do you use the default skin? 27-29 is pretty fast
edisk
47 posts
Joined August 2014
edisk

OperaMini0 wrote:

27-29 is pretty fast
Once your eyes are used to it it's pretty normal actually.
blitZee
17 posts
Joined August 2013
Topic Starter
blitZee
I use a modified staiain skin, might convert a skin I liked in SM5 soon and see how that goes.

And regarding speed, i feel like i used to play at higher speeds. 27-29 feels a lot like a900-950 in sm.

edisk wrote:

Try having 1-2rest days per week. I saw myself improving faster when I included rest days, not sure if it'll work for you.

EDIT: Try playing a greater variety of maps too
I do have a break once a week, i either don't play at all or play chill maps for shorter amount of time. And my variety's going to increase soon, since i just finished dl'ing a buncha converts
Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias
Learning to read lower on the screen should help with reading related issues. The closer you read to the receptors, the less time you have to read the patterns. It does help when playing for accuracy, but since you're focusing on improving your ability to hit things rather than focusing on accuracy, that should be a step in the right direction.

And yes, playing a wider variety of maps, and focusing specifically on things you have difficulty with (LNs, for example) will help too.

If your the type of person who replays maps a lot, try playing each map less often, because that tends to teach people to memorize patterns rather than learn to sightread.

Also, you still probably should have posted in the sticky. The whole reason it's a sticky is so that if the thread has no activity for a while it won't get buried and will still be visible so people can post there rather than clutter this forum up with duplicate threads.
edisk
47 posts
Joined August 2014
edisk

Bobbias wrote:

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Try playing maps that you replay a lot with random mod too, though it may not help much since it's 4k. Also, you might want to lower your speed on a map you can comfortably play on for pattern reading and accuracy improvement. (with random mod to prevent mindblocks)
blitZee
17 posts
Joined August 2013
Topic Starter
blitZee

edisk wrote:

Bobbias wrote:

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Thanks a lot guys :3
Switched to mid-screen reading, and some of my LN related problems magically disappeared. Of course, my accuracy is kinda bad now, even when compared to what I had before. But nothing HR can't solve, gonna work back on getting back to my previous accuracy and then onward to harder maps.
Also, do you have any suggestions for jumpstream maps? Something along the lines of Game Time? For some reason I can't read anything like Tokyo Teddy Bear [MX], even though there's only a jump every beat with the odd hand each measure. Maps from stepmania are absolutely fine as well.

And yes, I should have probably posted in the sticky thread after all, but I might have not gotten all of these wonderful replies ^^
lenpai
Beatmap Nominator
1,772 posts
Joined December 2014
lenpai
this may sound weird but its a thing. People and you, can get magically better (sudden skill boosts). Sometime they stay, sometimes they don't.

Just this month I jumped from tearing my hair trying to read 230 bpm dense js (NS18 intro) to passing something 260 bpm-ish with some effort (JTF Expert).

Just keep playing and you'll see yourself reading hard stuff with ease. Just don't replay a song too much. Get some variety as previously said by others.

RD might throw in terrible patterns though but it is good practice.
Rhonin
84 posts
Joined September 2015
Rhonin
if your keyboard is membrane dome (like mine), changing to a mechanical one would probably help since it's much lighter
Inkling
13 posts
Joined September 2013
Inkling

rhonin77 wrote:

if your keyboard is membrane dome (like mine), changing to a mechanical one would probably help since it's much lighter
After seeing pros play ridiculously hard maps with membranes, controllers, foot pedals, nipples with straw attached to turntable, etc., I'm convinced what you play on really doesn't matter at all.

Actually, I think blindly parroting advice like this is really misleading and I honestly don't understand the hype around the "performance" of mechs (considering I own several and find them fun to type on, but I really don't think they add any significant performance gain, if any).
Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias
The kind of keyboard has an effect, but a mech will not magically make you better.

I switched from playing on a laptop to a mech KB with MX Reds a few month back. I found that while my accuracy increased on the mech, and I was able to manage minijacks considerably better, I was actually missing more notes overall on everything I played.
lenpai
Beatmap Nominator
1,772 posts
Joined December 2014
lenpai

Bobbias wrote:

The kind of keyboard has an effect, but a mech will not magically make you better.

I switched from playing on a laptop to a mech KB with MX Reds a few month back. I found that while my accuracy increased on the mech, and I was able to manage minijacks considerably better, I was actually missing more notes overall on everything I played.
backing this up

I accu better on membrane kbs and miss more
I hit more notes and jack much better on my laptop
Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias
You jack better on the laptop? I find jacks way harder on my laptop than my mech lol.
Rhonin
84 posts
Joined September 2015
Rhonin
Really? Well since i never actually used mech i can't really voice my opinion, im buying it next week though ill tell you then whether it has good or adverse effect towards my performance
lenpai
Beatmap Nominator
1,772 posts
Joined December 2014
lenpai

Bobbias wrote:

You jack better on the laptop? I find jacks way harder on my laptop than my mech lol.

might have mislead with my term usage since membrane kb is something general but the kb would be something like this:http://bscomputerbd.com/image/thumbnails/18/80/3000N_400x400_jpg-100355-250x250.jpg

Only play with ^ if i play osu at internet cafes

My laptop is a macbook sooooo yeah.

@rhonin well you should check your playstyle and see what kb you think best suits you ;)
Results aren't instant because you'll have to get used to your new kb
I don't really know much about keyboards in general though

after doing some research, i realized that macbook is scissor switch. You might want to check that out.
Rhonin
84 posts
Joined September 2015
Rhonin

Lenfried- wrote:

@rhonin well you should check your playstyle and see what kb you think best suits you ;)
Results aren't instant because you'll have to get used to your new kb
I don't really know much about keyboards in general though
Yep i'm sure it's gonna take some time to yield results, since i've been using heavy membrane kb i thought of getting cherry black, but my super pro friend told me to get cherry reds instead.
Well, we'll see how it goes ;)
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