1. So first of all, I have to agree with the break time at 03:16:364 - which feels cut right out of the map, it's almost the same as the section mapped afterwards and is so intense that it just feels like you forgot to map it.
2. One of the key problems here are the jumps that are inconsistent related to the music or just simply used to spike up the difficulty, Xexxar made some good points there. Already mentioned patterns like 01:08:318 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - for example spike up the difficulty for no reason and end up feeling chaotic, especially when you map the climax with small jumps between sliders. Also giant patterns like 00:57:409 (1,2,3) - are replaced by so small ones like 00:58:500 (1,2,3) - later on even though the music didn't change in terms of intensity.
3. Another issue I would like to be adressed is the HP drain. As Okorin already noted, the only "real intense" part to aim is the Kiai due to how much of an influence 03:01:909 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2) - and 03:10:636 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2) - have. A higher HP to balance it with the rest of your difficulty settings and the difficulty itself is needed here.

Mao wrote:

[*]Another issue I would like to be adressed is the HP drain. As Okorin already noted, the only "real intense" part to aim is the Kiai due to how much of an influence 03:01:909 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2) - and 03:10:636 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2) - have. A higher HP to balance it with the rest of your difficulty settings and the difficulty itself is needed here.

DiamondRain wrote:

PS: Why did xexxar complain about "pp mapping" when all his mapsets are mapped for pp and have mainstream patterns? Kinda hypocritic imo.

Nozhomi wrote:

Except for some spacial case, the modes should not be taken in consideration for the settings.
As said, there is no real burst part or long slider who could kill you with HR over time, so a low HP setting is not a necessity here.

Yuutai wrote:

Mao wrote:

[*]Another issue I would like to be adressed is the HP drain. As Okorin already noted, the only "real intense" part to aim is the Kiai due to how much of an influence 03:01:909 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2) - and 03:10:636 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2) - have. A higher HP to balance it with the rest of your difficulty settings and the difficulty itself is needed here.

This map is 7.47 Stars. If you raise the HP drain you just put a high burden on people who plan on passing this HR, which already puts it to HP 7. This map is already difficult for most of the playerbase to pass, I don't see a single reason to arbitrarily put the HP to 6/7 just to make HR players fail who miss once on the slow part of the song. Unless its Airman with its HP 2 (which despite being cheesable and low HP has a staggeringly low amount of HR / HDHR passes) , I see no reason to put a map from passable with HR on a high level of skill (HP 7 with HR) to "Cookiezi/FC only" (HP -> 7, makes HP with HR = 9.8) .

And people already have Airman for their 7 Star medal pass, this is substantially harder.

Stjpa wrote:

And ofc deathmarc4 is giving really good feedback and writing helpful sentences like on reddit.

Stjpa wrote:

A few pages ago I actually explained why the drain is currently a joke. You can can pass the diff with hr even if you miss 3 circles in a row in the hardest jump parts, which is really a joke considering that it consists of maybe like 6 or 7? Let alone that I didn't even lose half of my HP after missing 3 in a row. So you actually only hit 1 and still pass it. Raising it by at least 1 definitely makes sense, maybe even more. Would probably need tests on how many you need to hit to survive the hardest parts. But it definitely needs a higher drain.

Nozhomi wrote:

Except for some spacial case, the modes should not be taken in consideration for the settings.
As said, there is no real burst part or long slider who could kill you with HR over time, so a low HP setting is not a necessity here.

Atamare wrote:

DiamondRain wrote:

PS: Why did xexxar complain about "pp mapping" when all his mapsets are mapped for pp and have mainstream patterns? Kinda hypocritic imo.

Yuutai wrote:

Mao wrote:

[*]Another issue I would like to be adressed is the HP drain. As Okorin already noted, the only "real intense" part to aim is the Kiai due to how much of an influence 03:01:909 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2) - and 03:10:636 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2) - have. A higher HP to balance it with the rest of your difficulty settings and the difficulty itself is needed here.

This map is 7.47 Stars. If you raise the HP drain you just put a high burden on people who plan on passing this HR, which already puts it to HP 7. This map is already difficult for most of the playerbase to pass, I don't see a single reason to arbitrarily put the HP to 6/7 just to make HR players fail who miss once on the slow part of the song. Unless its Airman with its HP 2 (which despite being cheesable and low HP has a staggeringly low amount of HR / HDHR passes) , I see no reason to put a map from passable with HR on a high level of skill (HP 7 with HR) to "Cookiezi/FC only" (HP -> 7, makes HP with HR = 9.8) .

And people already have Airman for their 7 Star medal pass, this is substantially harder.

Nozhomi wrote:

Since some people raise some valid points, I guess I should take a look too~

[Everlasting Memory]

1. My concern on this diff is, the spacing is just used in a strange way who did not emphase the song at so many point. It just looks like jumps were placed just on purpose to create a really difficult diff without even listen to the music. I'll show some examples to show this :
2. 01:05:454 - to 01:14:182 - the spacing should be way more progressice because the pitch of the song is increasing too. But instead, we have giant jumps on the middle 01:08:318 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - where the song is not even at climax (who is for me at 01:09:818 - . Also I wonder why 01:10:500 (1,2,3) - deserve more a jump like that, there is no intensity at all on it, it's just transition, and should use a lower spacing, and totally inconsistent with other similar jumps like 01:11:591 (1,2,3) - .
3. 02:09:273 (1,2,3,4,5) - On pattern like this, ok the square is good nice blanket etc...but the point is the jump should be between 02:09:545 (3) - and 02:09:682 (4) - , simply because the pitch and the beat is clearly stronger here. Ok you follow the drums, but that's not the best to me. i remember this was timorisu said such thing in here yeah
4. 02:23:182 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - Why spacing increase when music goes down ?
5. 03:07:227 (8,9,10) - Such background sounds deserve to be mapped this way ? That emphases nothing.
6. 03:16:364 - This break have no sense imo.
7. 03:59:318 (2,3,4,5,6) - First, flow between 03:58:909 (1,2) - is horrible, at this speed you expect it to follow in the same way than 03:58:636 (4,1) - , but you break this movement here and the only reason I see is because you was too close from the border. Second, why a big jumping triangle pattern when you followed main sound before, why not here ? A jump between 03:59:318 (2,3) - and 03:59:864 (6,1) - was clearly enough.

you can't aim well, im not insulting lol

Remember this is only examples, I did not point everything like these ones on the diff.
I would be glad to see people listening more to the song and don't throw jumps on their maps just for the fun. I hope my explanations are clear enough.
Mukyu~

Mao wrote:

The issues above seem valid to me. Please address them accordingly!

[Everlasting Memory]

1. So first of all, I have to agree with the break time at 03:16:364 - which feels cut right out of the map, it's almost the same as the section mapped afterwards and is so intense that it just feels like you forgot to map it. yeah looks boring
2. One of the key problems here are the jumps that are inconsistent related to the music or just simply used to spike up the difficulty, Xexxar made some good points there. Already mentioned patterns like 01:08:318 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - for example spike up the difficulty for no reason and end up feeling chaotic, especially when you map the climax with small jumps between sliders. Also giant patterns like 00:57:409 (1,2,3) - are replaced by so small ones like 00:58:500 (1,2,3) - later on even though the music didn't change in terms of intensity. now 00:58:500 (1,2) - like a giant tropical centipedes
3. Another issue I would like to be adressed is the HP drain. As Okorin already noted, the only "real intense" part to aim is the Kiai due to how much of an influence 03:01:909 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2) - and 03:10:636 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2) - have. A higher HP to balance it with the rest of your difficulty settings and the difficulty itself is needed here. okay im ded HP6, HP7 too high okay (the HP calculating is so confusing, i see when some maps with 1:30 drain time with HP6 feels like HP9 when you got misses and when you hit circle you can't go back revived this is just make your life feels empty without misses lol)

I recommend you to adress the issues mentioned here accordinly. Furthermore, any kind of help/feedback/etc. from the community is appreciated.

Enon wrote:

how to map

lit120 wrote:

you should've mapped it for approval since it's 5 minutes above, srsly

lit120 wrote:

you should've mapped it for approval since it's 5 minutes above, srsly

Fort wrote:

lit120 wrote:

you should've mapped it for approval since it's 5 minutes above, srsly

how about no?

lit120 wrote:

if i were you, that'd be yes .-.

lit120 wrote:

if i were you, that'd be yes .-.

lit120 wrote:

Fort wrote:

how about no?

if i were you, that'd be yes .-.

Haruto wrote:

but, yeah you aren't fort lol

hent2222 wrote:

I need this map qualified. Fuckin ranked system

Shauma wrote:

Fuckin' awesome map... sometimes total shits get ranked and this masterpiece doesn't. World is cruel. Fort, don't give up and work hard to get it ranked.

Shiirn wrote:

the break usage in this map triggers me so hard


dq was sensible off the dumb break setups anyway, the fact he's replacing them with intentionally plain and boring sections is sad though.

Shiirn wrote:

the break usage in this map triggers me so hard


dq was sensible off the dumb break setups anyway, the fact he's replacing them with intentionally plain and boring sections is sad though.