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xDarxen

Joined July 2014

Topic Starter

xDarxen 2015-12-03T20:19:55+00:00

-Nya- wrote:
Recheck~

The only thing that’s keeping me from bubbling this now is just some of those big jumps in the hardest diff, the spacing of the fast sliders in the extra and then the fast repeat sliders in Easy.
Call me back again after making the necessary changes.

I fixed everything and for the hardest diff, I nerfed some big jumps. I didn't want to overdo it tho* It is an Expert diff afterall.

Thanks for your time, honestly.

eeezzzeee

979 posts

Joined August 2013

eeezzzeee 2015-12-05T17:17:11+00:00

-Nya- wrote:
00:33:353 (5) –Add new combo here and remove new combo here: 00:33:522 (1) –
00:34:709 (6) -^
00:36:065 (5) -^
00:37:421 (5) -^
00:38:777 (5) -^
00:39:455 (3) -^
00:40:133 (3) -^
00:40:811 (3) -^ Fixed all NC
00:50:641 (5,6) –Lessen the spacing between these two a bit, try to make it similar to 00:46:065 (4,5) – The reason for this is because the rhythm is quite fast and I’m scared those jumps might be a bit too much. Hmm i agree its a little difficult but I think most of the difficulty comes from the jumps afterward. The sliders themselves are pretty easy to do because of slider leniency. I nerfed some of the jumps like 00:50:980 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:01:827 (1,2,3,4,5) - etc.
00:56:404 (1,2) -^ Ok fixed spacing a little on this
01:34:031 (5,6) -^, I guess there are others too but they didn’t look too far away to me. Nerfed jumps too

I lowered the spacing of the jumps after the fast sliders so it should be better now. Updated!

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-Nya-

2,133 posts

Joined December 2011

-Nya- 2015-12-07T12:37:54+00:00

Recheck~

Deadline:

02:09:794 (2) - Maybe remove this circle. Sounds a bit out of place.
01:14:369 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - Lessen the jumps here a bit. The distancing is a bit too much imo.

eze's Extra:

01:05:556 (1,2,3,4) - This drum sound sounds very loud. I suggest you lower the volume a bit.
01:16:404 (1,2,3,4) - ^
01:48:946 (1,2,3,4) - ^
01:59:794 (1,2,3,4) - ^

FCL's Insane:

Still one unsnapped green line, lol: 02:05:554 snap to 02:05:556
01:32:336 (1) - Either remove the clap on the head of this slider or add a clap on the head of this slider: 01:32:675 (2) -

Lumael's Hard:

00:17:082 - I think you forgot to add whistles from this point onward.
01:05:556 (1) - Lower the volume here a bit. It sounds a bit too loud. That loud drum sound.
01:48:946 (1) - ^

Normal:

00:36:065 (3,4) - You have to space these out normally since you can, otherwise it's inconsistent spacing.
00:38:777 (1) - ^

Easy:

01:46:573 (3) - New combo here

Call me back~

xDarxen

313 posts

Joined July 2014

Topic Starter

xDarxen 2015-12-07T13:31:52+00:00

Okay, all changes done (GDs too, since there were only hitsound related suggestions) Thanks!

-Nya-

2,133 posts

Joined December 2011

-Nya- 2015-12-07T13:32:50+00:00

Ready to go~

Bubbled~

Bara-

11,978 posts

Joined April 2013

Bara- 2015-12-12T15:34:07+00:00

Hi

[General]
AutoMod says 00:30:301 (1) - isa unsnapped in FCL's diff, it's about the red node. Though it seems fine to me, and AImod doesn't say it, but it might be better to check it

[Easy]
Hmm, this diff seems quite neat, but that also required perfection in blankets, or it'll look bad, despite being a good diff

00:00:811 (1,2) - Blanket please
00:18:438 (2,1) - ^^ (There are more, but I won't got in it all, it's already bubbled, so I really don't want to nazi mod

)
00:33:353 (4) - NC? Feels better imo (I prefer a NC to start a break
01:16:743 (4) - ^^
02:00:133 (5) - ^^
02:09:624 (5,1) - Distance, as both notes are visible at the same time, at 02:09:624 you can see both, the DS must be as normal, so 1.4

[Normal]
00:04:878 (4) - Are you sure about the final red node? It feels a bit weird, and might especially feel weird for newbies
00:52:844 (2) - Shouldn't there be a 1/1 sldier here, instead of a circle and then the slider? It follows the music much better!
01:16:743 (6) - NC please
01:36:234 (2) - Shouldn't there be a 1/1 sldier here, instead of a circle and then the slider? It follows the music much better!
01:43:183 (4) - The tail of this slider is close to the previous circle then the head of the slider, making new players think the slider is the other way around. A map of mine once got DQ'd, and this was one of the main points
02:00:133 (6) - nc please

[Lumael]
Perfect as Always, just a few small things
00:21:827 (1) - Consider silencing the tail, this way the circle gets moreemphasis!
01:05:217 (5) - NC, as you NC the next slider
01:48:607 (5) - ^^

[FCL]
00:21:827 (1) - 1/4 is fine here

(Applies to all reverse-sliders

)

I like this! But please reconsider the 1/8(?) sliders, they don't really fit imo

[eze]
Hmm, not sure what to think of this diff
I like the dubstep parts, but I'm not a big fan of the begin (first 20 sec +-)
Mostly because of the overlaps, ah idk
Decent diff

[Deadline]
Can't you be a bit more creative with diff name >>___>>
00:23:861 (1) - You don't use any slider in this part besides this one, it feels out of place, please make it 2 circles
01:16:742 (8) - NC please
02:00:132 (7) - ^^
02:10:641 (1) - Slience end please

Call me for qualify after this is fixed!

Lumael

1,520 posts

Joined December 2014

Lumael 2015-12-12T16:56:31+00:00

did all, ty baraatje!

osu file format v14

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tbh this diff is quite old and i don't like my style here

xDarxen

313 posts

Joined July 2014

Topic Starter

xDarxen 2015-12-12T18:17:26+00:00

Alright, I fixed everything, FCL also sent me the update. Hope it's good now

Bara-

11,978 posts

Joined April 2013

Bara- 2015-12-15T05:44:13+00:00

Umm, gimme some time for the recheck, I'll try to do it asap (but it likely won't be before thursday (sorry))

Bara-

11,978 posts

Joined April 2013

Bara- 2015-12-24T16:29:11+00:00

Merry Christmas, bu I'm afraid I have to pop it

[Lumael]
00:21:827 (1) - This slider is completely unrankable, as the sliderbody+sliderend+sliderticks are all silenced
Only 1 of them is allowed to be, move the green timing point to 00:22:421

I'll check it back later

Sorry for this bad Christmas present

Additional modding

[Lumael]
00:47:929 (3) - Whistle?
00:53:353 (3) - Whistle?
00:58:777 (3) - Whistle?
01:04:200 (3) - Whistle?
01:15:048 (3) - Whistle? (etc. will not mention the rest, but it seems that whenever there is a clap, you leave out the whistle)

[Normal]
Not really a 100% fan of this diff, but it's because of the ridiculously low SV, and high amount of 1/2, this makes it look quite sloppy
Easy is 0.7, Normal is 0.8, and Hard is 1.4
Consider changing it to 1.0-1.2 (or what I prefer for Normal, 1.6, though BPM is a bit too high to properly do it) This'll also likely make the gap between ENH more even
I'll mod this diff after you change this. If you don't think you can easily change this, you can Always ask me to map it, but then I can't icon it. (Though, I don't think I can icon this diff in its current state because of this. Because Nya bubbled it I tend to go a bit easy on this, but as his bubble is gone, and can't be repaired (as he is removed from BN) I don't think I will icon this, sorry)

[Easy]

01:24:879 (2,3) - Patterns as these don't play as good as they look. They have a strong curve, which makes them awkward
02:08:268 (3,4) - ^^

[FCL]
Same story with the whistles as in Lumael's diff. Whenever there is a clap, you leave out the whistle, which feels weird imo
Rest seems fine

[Eze]
00:01:488 (3,4) - Doesn't look all that nice, try to make it look better
00:42:844 (9) - NC?
Same story with the whistles as in Lumael's diff. Whenever there is a clap, you leave out the whistle, which feels weird imo

[Extremity]
Much better diffname!
00:35:556 (1) - This is a really faint sound, why not remove it (and NC 00:35:726 (2) - )
00:46:743 (1,2) - Switch NC?
00:52:336 (4) - NC?
01:22:166 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Give claps according to the music? On all the circles and all the sliderstarts

That's about it

xDarxen

313 posts

Joined July 2014

Topic Starter

xDarxen 2016-01-02T17:03:56+00:00

Alright, I fixed almost everything, FCL sent me the update and I remapped Normal. Thanks a lot for everything man! As for the bubble, well, the map may be indeed not ready yet

Lumael

1,520 posts

Joined December 2014

Lumael 2016-01-05T19:49:13+00:00

update with all fixed

osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: PLight- Deadliner.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 2000
PreviewTime: 42844
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 0

[Editor]
Bookmarks: 27929,33353
DistanceSpacing: 1.2
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 4
TimelineZoom: 1.7

[Metadata]
Title:Deadliner
TitleUnicode:Deadliner
Artist:P*Light
ArtistUnicode:P*Light
Creator:xDarxen
Version:Lumael's Hard
Source:
Tags:Dnb Drum and Bass Dubstep cubegrams FCL Lumael eeezzzeee
BeatmapID:778908
BeatmapSetID:350290

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:5
CircleSize:4
OverallDifficulty:6
ApproachRate:8
SliderMultiplier:1.4
SliderTickRate:1

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//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
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eeezzzeee

979 posts

Joined August 2013

eeezzzeee 2016-01-06T19:47:36+00:00

Sorry for the late reply, fixed all!

seems like darxen fixed the missing whistles already

osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: PLight- Deadliner.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 2000
PreviewTime: 42844
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 0

[Editor]
Bookmarks: 811,11658,21149,22505,33353,42844,44200,86234,87590,109285,129624,130980
DistanceSpacing: 0.9
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 4
TimelineZoom: 1.3

[Metadata]
Title:Deadliner
TitleUnicode:Deadliner
Artist:P*Light
ArtistUnicode:P*Light
Creator:xDarxen
Version:eze's Extra
Source:
Tags:Dnb Drum and Bass Dubstep cubegrams FCL Lumael eeezzzeee
BeatmapID:822643
BeatmapSetID:350290

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:6
CircleSize:4
OverallDifficulty:8
ApproachRate:9.2
SliderMultiplier:1.6
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
//Background and Video events
0,0,"Moon.jpg",0,0
//Break Periods
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

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140,244,120811,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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Bara-

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Bara- 2016-01-08T14:05:13+00:00

Dam
Normal improved a lot!

Bara-

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Bara- 2016-01-08T14:29:14+00:00

Rebub because of some inconsistencies

jonathanlfj

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jonathanlfj 2016-02-18T01:42:25+00:00

no kd

add "NOT 4 on the FLOOR" to tags since its the album that contains this song

nothing else really caught my attention, let me know afterwards

jonathanlfj

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jonathanlfj 2016-02-19T01:21:27+00:00

ayy double post

FCL

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FCL 2016-02-19T03:22:49+00:00

wooooo
Gratz man!

xDarxen

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xDarxen 2016-02-19T05:25:02+00:00

Wow I just woke up and noticed it got qualified

Thank you guys!

Bara-

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Bara- 2016-02-19T06:00:55+00:00

Gratz!

Exa

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Exa 2016-02-19T11:47:40+00:00

Sunxaritiria!!!

xDarxen

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xDarxen 2016-02-19T11:54:47+00:00

Exa wrote:
Sunxaritiria!!!

Ευχαριστώ πολύ!

eeezzzeee

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eeezzzeee 2016-02-19T14:21:19+00:00

Congrats! c:

xDarxen

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xDarxen 2016-02-19T17:01:14+00:00

Bara- wrote:
Gratz!

eeezzzeee wrote:
Congrats! c:

Yeyy we did it

HappyRocket88

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HappyRocket88 2016-02-22T16:19:14+00:00

Hellow. Congratulations for your first qualified map. \o.o/ I play-tested all the diffs and I found them quite interesting, so I see you've done a great job there. However, I'd like to know some things that worried me while I was having a look of the map on the editor.

[Easy]

Don't you think the HP is a bit high for this Easy? I know this go over the way you see how the HP fits in the map but take in mind this is the lowest diff and new players tend to fail very often at these easier difficulties because of the patterning you managed. Having it over 2 would be more suitable and would have fitted more according to the usage of long sliders here. But, by far, it's just an opinion.
00:19:794 (1,2) - It's not really noticeable but there's a DS problem here that was showed with the Aimod.
00:14:370 (1) - This slider isn't emphasizing properly the rhythm here. While it keeps consistency with the 2/1 sliders you used over the whole section, it doesn't follow intuitively the main rhythm of the music over this segment. There's a clearly strong pitch on the instruments which suggest the reverse should go here 00:14:878 - just as well as you did over some similar 3/2 sliders over the upcoming patterns or as well as you emphasized 00:15:387 - in the Normal difficulty. In this way, you can add a circle to give more emphasis in the downbeat and make a more perceptive patterning for this part. Like this:
00:41:488 (3) - Not sure if the non-NC here is intentional, because it looks a bit awkward to have a long combo like (5) on this pattern where you already used two measures with the two 3/1 you used before.
00:48:946 (3,1) - This flow is particularly hard for an Easy difficulty. I know this reside of your mapping style of blankets for Beginner diffs, but you should take account the movement newbies will do to follow those two sliders where, probably, it wouldn't be really intuitive if you do this:
this
vs
something more catchy and fluent instead of
01:06:573 (2) This slider is probably the main issue over this difficulty. Could you tell me what was exactly this slider following in the song? Having a 7/3 slider here doesn't play well because it, indeed, creates an awkward rhythm over this segment. It would make more sense if you highlighted this beat 01:07:251 - since there's sound which should be emphasized.
01:22:166 (1,1) - what was the purpose of breaking the DS you managed in the whole map? Having these two slider with NC could be way misleading to players because they're used to see 1 - 4 as you built up the NC. Removing the NC here would be the best 01:23:522 (1) - and in this way you might keep consistency with the same pattern which have this charge, like 00:38:777 (1,2,3,4,5) -
01:41:150 (1,2,3) - Variation is important but using the same patterning over and over end being awkward to play because in this section it would have flowed better if you had used the same 3/2 sliders as you did in this part 00:57:760 (1,2,3) - were honestly will improve the rhythm over this segment.

[]
For my final thought, it's not a bad Easy, my concerns reside of some rhythms and flows which could've improved though.
[Normal] It's overall a nice Normal. The Distance Snap is pretty consistent among the objects which is a good thing to highlight. Nonetheless, there are some aspects that I consider you could give a look before proceeding to mod this Normal difficulty.

SPREAD: Rhythmically talking, the beginning has the highest density of notes because the overuse of 1/2 slider and circles snapped to 1/2 where it should go over the kiai and not just starting the song. The reason is because the Easy difficulty is built up mostly with 3/1 and 2/1 sliders where making a transition with this Normal ending being exaggerated. Now going for the amount of objects, and not by looking the SR, this Normal manages almost the double regarding the amount of objects compared with the Easy. While it's good to change and use variety to make a diff, the patterning itself should be thought over how a diff transits to another one. For example: 00:27:929 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - If we dig into this patterning, there's clearly an over use of 1/2 objects used everywhere just to fill up the beats of the music, leaving no break time for players to follow properly because at the end it feels way overmapped. As a reference using 1/2 you should give at least a gap of 1/2 ticks where players could release the mouse a bit and be ready to click the next objects.
00:23:861 (1) - Shouldn't this don't have NC as well as you followed the previous patterns? I find it quite interesting why you placed NC there when honestly it would make mroe sense without it.
01:03:183 (1,2) - While these two sliders make sense with the beat of the song, they feel overmapped because using a 1/1 slider would make stuff easier to read from beginner after the spam of 1/2 objects of the overall kiai. Consider applying the same here 01:46:573 (1,2) -

[]
My only complain reside about the overuse of 1/2 sliders and circles snapped to 1/2 tick. Take account this is a normal diff so using 1/1 and occasionally 1/2 would be better for players, starting from this high based BPM.
[Lumael's Hard] This diffs is really well made and flows particularly fine, despite Lumael is now afk, I have some few suggestions that could improve the difficulty itself:

00:09:624 (3,4,1) - I know this goes for the style of the mapper but honestly this would lok better if you give it a look because the flow ins't really intuitive because (4) is almost hidden for the (3) slider's body. It would make more sense if you did Ctrl + J over the (3) to, in this case, develop a neater zig zag flow since it was firstly the issue of this suggestion.
00:12:336 (3) - 02:00:810 (3) - By far those are the only one 1/2 slider with two repeats in this difficulty. They don't flow bad and all, however, the song doesn't claim for a two reverses here. It would make a neater rhythm if you removed a reverse and added a circle to fix this.
00:50:472 (4,5) - Why the random increasing of the DS here? It would play better if you short the distance between these notes and let the strong beat has the jump as well as you did in the upcoming patterns.
01:04:200 (3,4) - Not really sure what you were intending here but you could rotate them by 25° to develop a neater flow and keep consistent the DS.
01:39:794 (1) - This NC really goes here? I do believe removing it will make more sense here according to the way you built up the NC here.

[] Overall a really nice difficulty. Just some patterning and flows that can be easily fixed and this diff would be more than ready.
[FCL's Insane] There are two issues which worries me the most on this difficulty:

SPREAD: Yeah, this difficulty still presents some problems about the transition from Hard to Insane. Even the amount of objects is almost the double compared with the Hard and this difficulty seems to be an overuse 1/2 circles over the whole section. HArd doesn't manage such as long streams and it rather uses 1/4 sliders, but this isnane uses more streams than 1/4 sliders and made an unwanted gap between these two difficulties. While the hard manages sliders + a few amount of circles placed on the streams. :

This insane exaggerates with the amount of circles among the kiai
JUMPSPlus, most of these circles manage jumps which made the difficulty harder than expected. I honestly believe changing some of them to sliders would hurt no one. Of course this is just my point of view, but I'd like to discuss with you some things about the overall patterning that this difficulty manages:

00:20:133 (2,4) - The transition for one slider to another isn't really intuitive in therms of flow that this pattern uses, it would be more fluent if you did ctrl + G on them to develop the flow itself.
00:21:827 (1) - Having a lot of reverses as this slider does only creates uncomfortable rhythms and doesn't make a lot of sense with the song itself. It would be better if you remove three reverses and let it end on the white tick as well as you did over similar patterns like 00:43:521 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:26:912 (1,2,3,4,5) -
00:55:048 (1,2) - What was the purpose of ending these slider on the blue tick? If that so, why it doesn't correlate with the same parts of the second kiai, if both are the same, what's the need of making something different? It would be way better if both kiai have them asap. Consider applying the same with these 01:00:811 (3,4) - 01:02:166 (3,4) - over the second kiai.
01:14:031 (1) - Please, make this slider-head visible as wella s you did in the previous patterns. It's quite hard already to don't see it after a 3/4 slider that you used just before.

[]
I'm sorry if I can end being nitpicking but lower diffs could be improved a bit. Let me now what you think and let's see if we can have an agreement between this discussion.

Okoayu

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Okoayu 2016-02-22T16:42:22+00:00

what

Makeli

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Makeli 2016-02-22T16:47:45+00:00

Okoratu wrote:
what

Okoayu

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Okoayu 2016-02-22T16:55:40+00:00

the spread issues you have with hard -> insane are laughable, most of the insane is distancesnapped, it just uses more circles where hard doesn't map lol.
Clicking 1/2 circles is a skill even hard players should have lol.
also most of the 1/4 is not even challenging like it's either stacked as a whole or a really compressed stream and as such rather fair to hard players trying to comprehend insanes, if you really want to lower the gap between these difficulties, tell hard to add some triplets here and there so that hard players who go to insane are prepared for more 1/4 lol.

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xDarxen

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xDarxen 2016-02-22T16:59:02+00:00

But.. but Lumael is afk.. I guess I will do it for him lol

HappyRocket88

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HappyRocket88 2016-02-22T17:03:50+00:00

You tell from your own perspective that gap is "laughable" (what a word) since you're a skilled players and can play those streams easily. What you're not caring of those players who aren't able to stream fluently that after passing a catchy hard transits to a Insane diff which uses mostly 1/4 objects every two measures. Something which isn't really friendly to players who aren't aimed to stream, though.

Okoayu

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Okoayu 2016-02-22T17:12:31+00:00

you ignored my point though, the 1/4 present in this diff is designed to be player friendly by being either stacked completely or a compressed stream.

Natsu

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Natsu 2016-02-22T17:16:37+00:00

Spread its totally fine objectively, hard diff already did introduce alot of 1/4 sliders + 1/2 circles patterns, jump aren't that big at insane, streams at insane diff doesn't require aim or reading, they are placed really friendly to introduce the player to play them, players that aren't aimed to stream will not play maps with streams, also players don't need to FC diffs or play them almost perfectly, I was expecting some crazy streams, but they are stacked or really compressed

. Anyways in my eyes spread its perfectly fine..

HappyRocket88

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HappyRocket88 2016-02-22T17:21:24+00:00

Okoratu wrote:
you ignored my point though, the 1/4 present in this diff is designed to be player friendly by being either stacked completely or a compressed stream.

The closer streams are the easier players can do?

In fact, overusing them in this difficulty every two measure isn't really friendly. I still believe reducing some of them would reduce the gap between these two difficulties. Without talking entirely of the Easy -> Normal.

Makeli

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Makeli 2016-02-22T17:26:01+00:00

HappyRocket88 wrote:
The closer streams are the easier players can do?

Umm... yes?
Less spaced streams are easier to play right?

Natsu

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Natsu 2016-02-22T17:28:17+00:00

checked again, normal and easy gap is totally fine, hard and insane also fine, I really don't get what are you talking about,
normal is almost 1/1 with a few 1/2s, Easy is 1/1 gaps, totally fine
Hard introduced 1/2 circle patterns, read patterns, 1/4 repeat sliders
Insane use compressed stream (Easy to play, you basically don't need to move the cursor), stacked streams, spacing is really consistent, streams aren't overused at all

moving anything will make the set unbalanced, you will end having 2 easy diffs and 2 hards, is fine at it is, isn't even borderline tbh.

FCL

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FCL 2016-02-22T17:30:40+00:00

I fully agree with Okoratu, I myself am a player who plays a maps with 4.4-4.7 star rating and 1/2 pretty fine and intrested in my diff. What about transition, it is generally a strange lol, at minimum for different mappers who mapped these diffs.
If i should follow to your mod i should remap my diff, what i really not want. I like this style, seriously

riffy

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riffy 2016-02-22T17:41:36+00:00

The spread is fine from my point of view, and so are E and N difficulties. Harder diffs issues were addressed by Okoratu, so I won't focus on them.

Easy has rather weird HP Drain choice, indeed. But I don't think that it is wrong, as the nature of the song is sorta asking for a bit of challenge. The spacing change you are trying to mention is a minor x0.05 difference, which is nearly unnoticeable to an eye of the target player. Also, beginners are unaware of flow, you begin to introduce this kind of things later, so the patterns should work just as they are intended to.

As for the Normal, I would not call 1/2 bursts intense. Yes, they are rather agressive, but so is the song. So, this is fine from my perspective. And the 3/2 things seem to be working quite well here and even in the Easy, as they are mostly sliders which require little accuracy.

Overall, nothing I would personally disqualify for. Yes, some things could be fixed, but they are very minor and don't lower overall quality.

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HappyRocket88

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HappyRocket88 2016-02-22T17:43:46+00:00

I don't expect to you guys to agree with me about the spread issue because it's my concern is still debatable. Despite they're compressed, doesn't mean the mapper can over use it as he wants in the kiai when the drain of the jumps is rather high in this difficulty. What's the point of following such as close streams and then passing into spaced 1/2 objects?

FCL wrote:
If i should follow to your mod i should remap my diff, what i really not want. I like this style, seriously

Nobody says nothing about remap. And I'm sorry but saying: "It's my style" doesn't imply the difficulty itself is right/correct. There are even more issues about the streams and jumps on your difficulty I posted in my mod which, indeed, doesn't force you to remap.

Natsu wrote:
checked again, normal and easy gap is totally fine, hard and insane also fine, I really don't get what are you talking about,
normal is almost 1/1 with a few 1/2s, Easy is 1/1 gaps, totally fine.

Oh really? This is what I'm talking about, which is as I said, on my mod that I probably guess you didn't read after all.

Normal 00:27:929 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) -

Easy 00:23:861 (2,1,2,1) -

If this is fine for you... I don't know what's fine/correct about gaps between Easy and Normal difficulties anymore.

riffy

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riffy 2016-02-22T17:46:20+00:00

Why don't you try to look at overall diffiuculty level of each individual map, instead of posting screenshots of 1/2 bursts in Normal? This will give you abetter idea of what the mapset actually is.

Natsu

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Natsu 2016-02-22T17:48:23+00:00

Bakari is right, check all the diff and don't take screenshoot of only certain parts for your convenience
those transitions are really common in easy to normal diff, always always, i did check 600+ maps and its always similar there is nothing wrong with the spread and those compressed streams + spaced 1/2s are fine, hard diff already use 1/2s circle patterns such as 00:42:166 (3,4,5,6,1) - 01:24:878 (1,2,3,4) - that introduce u to jumps in insane easily, also hard use alot of repeats 00:43:522 (1,2,3) - which make the player notice what kind of rhythm insane diff will have, srsly spread is really fine.

HappyRocket88

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HappyRocket88 2016-02-22T17:52:26+00:00

If difficulties were supposed to be mapped individually without caring how it transits to another diffs, we would see easy with 3/1 objects and 60 notes, and normal with an overuse of 1/2 objects with 180 objects just because it makes sense with the rhythm.

It's my opinion, I know. I am just a modder who disagreed with the mapset structure and spread which would like to have a response of time I took to look at the map from the mappers. I guess it was my bad to post it here t/398892 when nobody agreed with me before.

Natsu

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Natsu 2016-02-22T17:59:37+00:00

Read again, we said you need to look at the whole set and at the whole diff not just a certain places of it, right now you look a bit stubborn mostly trying to dq the map yes or yes, despite alot of people already disagree with you, forcing the mapper after he and multiple people already explain to you isn't nice. Posting its totally fine, but what you want get a DQ now so the mapper and people explained the same once again? I think that will be only a totally lose of time, since discussion was already done and is basically only you the one who keep with it. FLC already explained to you too.

Anyways nice map

and GL it ~

xDarxen

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xDarxen 2016-02-22T18:04:16+00:00

Thank you guys, I'm glad we have finally come to a conclusion.

HappyRocket88

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HappyRocket88 2016-02-22T18:09:09+00:00

Being that said, the amount of objects and the Star Rating don't even matter nowadays. It's time to nominate maps. \:D/

@xDarxen, I still would like to see a reply of my mod. ;w;

riffy

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riffy 2016-02-22T18:33:24+00:00

They never did matter, HR88. The only thing that actually matters is playability and the real difficulty level of things. Please, avoid judging sets on Star Rating as well as using AiMod to measure spacing mistakes.

xDarxen

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xDarxen 2016-02-22T18:48:06+00:00

Bakari wrote:
The spread is fine from my point of view, and so are E and N difficulties. Harder diffs issues were addressed by Okoratu, so I won't focus on them.

Easy has rather weird HP Drain choice, indeed. But I don't think that it is wrong, as the nature of the song is sorta asking for a bit of challenge. The spacing change you are trying to mention is a minor x0.05 difference, which is nearly unnoticeable to an eye of the target player. Also, beginners are unaware of flow, you begin to introduce this kind of things later, so the patterns should work just as they are intended to.

As for the Normal, I would not call 1/2 bursts intense. Yes, they are rather agressive, but so is the song. So, this is fine from my perspective. And the 3/2 things seem to be working quite well here and even in the Easy, as they are mostly sliders which require little accuracy.

Overall, nothing I would personally disqualify for. Yes, some things could be fixed, but they are very minor and don't lower overall quality.

Bakari has fully covered me. I agree with some things in the mod, such as some NC inconsistencies, but are they really worthy of a DQ? If yes, I will apply them with an answer to the mod.

HappyRocket88

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HappyRocket88 2016-02-22T19:20:55+00:00

Bakari wrote:
They never did matter, HR88. The only thing that actually matters is playability and the real difficulty level of things. Please, avoid judging sets on Star Rating as well as using AiMod to measure spacing mistakes.

Now I'm confused because what Easy/Normal should strictly have consistent DS among the notes, just as it's stated here. Now you're telling me to don't judge the spacing of a map with Aimod.

I know in this case the spacing wasn't really noticeable, but I'm just following the rules. Not really sure what other things aren't aimed for you to use while modding.

Also, it's somehow weird how my issues were denied when the qualify system was "disqualify first, then discuss". That doesn't apply when QATs decide to disagree with the issue?

Bara-

11,978 posts

Joined April 2013

Bara- 2016-02-22T19:27:04+00:00

Often spacing inconsistencies as 1.04 as opposed to 1.00 are already notified, while they don't matter at all. I personally never use AiMod to judge maps, and I don't recommend anyone to do it either

riffy

osu! Alumni

8,061 posts

Joined December 2010

riffy 2016-02-22T19:53:00+00:00

We disqualify and discuss things when the reasons are valid or questionable, in this case pretty much everyone here agrees that it's good to go.

We can have a nice and detailed conversation about it later, when I'll be online.

Raiden

osu! Alumni

2,419 posts

Joined January 2013

Raiden 2016-02-22T22:22:23+00:00

it's been a long time without playing devil's advocate

Bakari wrote:
We disqualify and discuss things when the reasons are valid or questionable, in this case pretty much everyone here agrees that it's good to go.

We can have a nice and detailed conversation about it later, when I'll be online.

i don't remember it being like this, if the concern was somewhat valid at first sight it would be DQ'd without any warning to avoid "time issues"

there's also the fact that you haven't even let the mapper speak for him/herself, you all jumped on HappyRocket's throat really quickly

and no, you cannot speak objectively from mapper's perspective because you are not the mapper, so yeah just let the mapper speak and stop trying to make HappyRocket feel bad for trying to improve the mapset's quality.

on-topic: grats for your first qualified map!

Monstrata

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

4,642 posts

Joined May 2013

Monstrata 2016-02-22T23:04:17+00:00

[Extremity]

00:40:980 (2) - Having a 1/4 repeat here instead of a triplet/something more rhythmically dense dampens the build up effect you want here going into those 1/2 jumps.
01:22:166 - 01:26:065 - This whole section should use a louder hit sound volume than 20%. Compare the loudness of the section here with the section at 01:05:895 - . You'll find they are very similar. I would even argue the presence of all those kicks from 01:22:166 (1,2,3,4) - would even demand a higher volume control.
01:40:302 (7,1) - NC pattern here is rather questionable. I would swap them because 01:40:302 - just sounds like a much better place to begin a second combo, considering the electronic vocal is basically repeating itself twice. You can also see that the stream spacing changes on 01:40:302 (7) - not on 01:40:387 (1) -.

[FCL's Insane]

00:35:725 (1) - This slider is technically unsnapped, the repeats are off by 2ms because the head is 1ms unsnapped haha. You don't have to fix I guess, but this is mainly for whoever plans on DQ'ing this: Times surely have changed since: p/4016272 lol. I guess we don't dq for 2ms unsnapped repeats anymore huh. A response here would be nice for future DQ reference though. because it's objectively unsnapped, even if by a very negligible amount.
00:46:573 (3,1) - This pause can easily be fixed if you made a symmetrical slider pattern with (2). It would get rid of the 1/1 break that looks identical to your 1/2 spacing pattern.
Something like this
01:03:014 (1,2) - I really feel you should distinguish between these two sounds, because theres a really distinctive rhythm found between 01:03:183 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - however 01:03:014 (1) - doesn't really fit this rhythm pattern. You want that rhythm to begin on the downbeat, not the red tick before it. Easy solution is just to make 01:02:674 (5) - a repeat slider instead.
01:22:166 - Similarly with Extremity (I guess you copied hitsound) this part could definitely use a volume increase. It's more noticeable here because you mapped the section between 01:16:743 - 01:22:166 - so there's an even more noticeable lack of a volume change. (Extremity used breaks, so the shift won't be as noticeable to players, but that still shouldn't excuse it).
01:46:572 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - Now this is what I wanted to see!

[Lumael's Hard]

My main concern with this diff is just the inconsistent use of emphasis, but that's not too uncommon nowadays. I would still be a bit more consistent about it.

00:50:472 (4,5) - versus 00:51:658 (3,4) - . versus 01:01:149 (3,4) -
01:43:183 (6,1) - This spacing is just going to throw people off. You can argue there's an NC there, but this is also a Hard and players aren't as aware of these spacing changes. NC'ing removes the follow point which makes people more aware of rhythm in Insane/Extra diff's but the technique isn't found a lot in Hard's since players are dealing with spacing increases and "jumps" at this stage, not anti-jumps . Simple solution is stacking this slider underneath 01:43:183 (6) - 's tail. Refer to 00:59:794 (5,1) - for how Lumael executes this if you're going to make the change for him.

This "discussion" was handled quite poorly. I think we should let the mapper have a say first. Also, it's not necessary to call HR88's mod and reasoning "laughable". He's just trying to help, and trying to maintain a level of quality in today's maps. This kind of a reaction really discourages people from looking at maps in the future, and suggesting things that can potentially make their map even better.

Okoayu

Nomination Assessment Team / Elite Nominator

4,959 posts

Joined May 2012

Okoayu 2016-02-22T23:19:38+00:00

Oh, seems like you didn't read my statement how i intended it to be: The statement that the Hard -> Insane gap is too wide is laughable, I didn't talk about the mod itself, just that I disagree that spread is any issue here. In fact most of the discussion was about spread from Hard to Insane, idk the rest of the mod was kinda ignored or something?

Shiirn

2,896 posts

Joined August 2010

Shiirn 2016-02-23T00:05:44+00:00

Bakari wrote:
We disqualify and discuss things when the reasons are valid or questionable

Wahahahahaha

also i like how this turned into a BN fight rather than discussing anything with the actual mapper

I'm going to mod purely Extremity for brevity, but I think I can say a thing or two about D'n'B genre mapping.

Extremity

Copypasting

I can fully understand the prevalent usage of copy+paste to speed things up, but it's horrifically lazy on your top most difficulty.
00:00:811 (1,2,3,4) - Just this, for example. 3 and 4 being direct copies of 1,2 and shifted over completely disregards any and all pitch or volume changes in the music. It's extremely boring and lazy. Even just swapping them around can imply to the player that something else is going on other than just mashing your 1/2 sliders and circles. This is repeated throughout the map and is more of a DQ reason than anything else imo.
You're not just copy+pasting one or two notes, you're literally fractally copy+pasting! You take a single straight slider, flip it, copy those two, copy them, move them a bit, and copy those 4 and use them everywhere else. This is literally the laziest thing I've seen in months.

on second thought seeing as literally this entire diff is like 70% copy pasted im only going to mod 30% of it

01:40:810 (6,1) - this is better off as a 1/2 slider with a new combo on the start
01:39:793 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - this new comboing is horrible. If you want a new combo in this section, it should be one of the following: 1->12, 1234,1234,1234,1. No other possibility arise for the new comboing here.
01:40:979 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1,2,3,4,5,6) - what the hell. did nobody look at the new combos before qualifying this? New combo should be on 01:41:149 - and 01:42:166 - and 01:43:183 -
^apply that new comboing there for 01:14:030 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1,2,3) - this mess too
01:14:030 (1,2,3) - also what the heck is the consistency here. You've always had 2 stacks -> jumps for this noise but this is like the only exception (except for when you copy+paste this)
01:57:421 (1,2) - the complete lack of movement here makes no sense from a gameplay perspective
02:05:556 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - did someone drop me into Smoothie's Racemization when I wasn't looking?
02:10:641 (1) - this is literally mapped to noghting

okay 30% effort for a 30% effort map

HappyRocket88

4,322 posts

Joined May 2014

HappyRocket88 2016-02-23T00:33:34+00:00

Shiirn wrote:
also i like how this turned into a BN fight rather than discussing anything with the actual mapper

xDarxen said something he wanted to give a look of the mod, but as long as Bakari didn't want to disqualify it because my suggestions wouldn't be enough to DQ, so he won't change anything.

It's quite sad the mod was aimed to discuss with the mapper and end with an agreement, but then the modders appeared and denied most of my issues because they were fine to their eyes, not letting the mapper to say or discuss with the mod itself... This game is motivating me less and less. XD

Last edited by HappyRocket88 2016-02-23T03:19:22+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

IamKwaN

osu! Alumni

3,905 posts

Joined August 2012

IamKwaN 2016-02-23T02:03:57+00:00

Besides the spread, we probably have some more than worthwhile to be discussed and replied by the mapper based on these post-qualification mods. No doubt, anything constructive other than things mentioned above is welcome.

Last but not least, please be courteous. Really sad to see patronizing attitude of some veterans in the mapping community.

eeezzzeee

979 posts

Joined August 2013

eeezzzeee 2016-02-23T03:08:39+00:00

ok welp nothing was mentioned about my diff but since its dq'ed now here's a small polishing update c:

yay 600th post

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FCL

1,497 posts

Joined July 2014

FCL 2016-02-23T04:26:13+00:00

Monstrata wrote:
[FCL's Insane]

00:35:725 (1) - This slider is technically unsnapped, the repeats are off by 2ms because the head is 1ms unsnapped haha. You don't have to fix I guess, but this is mainly for whoever plans on DQ'ing this: Times surely have changed since: p/4016272 lol. I guess we don't dq for 2ms unsnapped repeats anymore huh. A response here would be nice for future DQ reference though. because it's objectively unsnapped, even if by a very negligible amount. 2ms, wow
00:46:573 (3,1) - This pause can easily be fixed if you made a symmetrical slider pattern with (2). It would get rid of the 1/1 break that looks identical to your 1/2 spacing pattern. yea, it's nice idea
Something like this
01:03:014 (1,2) - I really feel you should distinguish between these two sounds, because theres a really distinctive rhythm found between 01:03:183 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - however 01:03:014 (1) - doesn't really fit this rhythm pattern. You want that rhythm to begin on the downbeat, not the red tick before it. Easy solution is just to make 01:02:674 (5) - a repeat slider instead. u right, fixed too
01:22:166 - Similarly with Extremity (I guess you copied hitsound) this part could definitely use a volume increase. It's more noticeable here because you mapped the section between 01:16:743 - 01:22:166 - so there's an even more noticeable lack of a volume change. (Extremity used breaks, so the shift won't be as noticeable to players, but that still shouldn't excuse it). oups
01:46:572 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - Now this is what I wanted to see!

@HappyRocket I fixed all except 01:14:031 (1) since it's not greatly will interfere
I think DQ really was need, because as we can make mapset better, and it's great.
Just i was against the option about 1/2 spams, just i think it's fun to play.

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xDarxen

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xDarxen 2016-02-23T19:04:26+00:00

HappyRocket88 wrote:
HR88
[Easy]
Don't you think the HP is a bit high for this Easy? I know this go over the way you see how the HP fits in the map but take in mind this is the lowest diff and new players tend to fail very often at these easier difficulties because of the patterning you managed. Having it over 2 would be more suitable and would have fitted more according to the usage of long sliders here. But, by far, it's just an opinion. Yea, after thinking again, I decreased it
00:19:794 (1,2) - It's not really noticeable but there's a DS problem here that was showed with the Aimod. Fixed
00:14:370 (1) - This slider isn't emphasizing properly the rhythm here. While it keeps consistency with the 2/1 sliders you used over the whole section, it doesn't follow intuitively the main rhythm of the music over this segment. There's a clearly strong pitch on the instruments which suggest the reverse should go here 00:14:878 - just as well as you did over some similar 3/2 sliders over the upcoming patterns or as well as you emphasized 00:15:387 - in the Normal difficulty. In this way, you can add a circle to give more emphasis in the downbeat and make a more perceptive patterning for this part. I've added a 1/1 slider instead
00:41:488 (3) - Not sure if the non-NC here is intentional, because it looks a bit awkward to have a long combo like (5) on this pattern where you already used two measures with the two 3/1 you used before. Fixed
00:48:946 (3,1) - This flow is particularly hard for an Easy difficulty. I know this reside of your mapping style of blankets for Beginner diffs, but you should take account the movement newbies will do to follow those two sliders where, probably, it wouldn't be really intuitive if you do this: Did something
01:06:573 (2) This slider is probably the main issue over this difficulty. Could you tell me what was exactly this slider following in the song? Having a 7/3 slider here doesn't play well because it, indeed, creates an awkward rhythm over this segment. It would make more sense if you highlighted this beat 01:07:251 - since there's sound which should be emphasized. Fixed
01:22:166 (1,1) - what was the purpose of breaking the DS you managed in the whole map? Having these two slider with NC could be way misleading to players because they're used to see 1 - 4 as you built up the NC. Removing the NC here would be the best 01:23:522 (1) - and in this way you might keep consistency with the same pattern which have this charge, like 00:38:777 (1,2,3,4,5) - My bad, fixed
01:41:150 (1,2,3) - Variation is important but using the same patterning over and over end being awkward to play because in this section it would have flowed better if you had used the same 3/2 sliders as you did in this part 00:57:760 (1,2,3) - were honestly will improve the rhythm over this segment. Done
[]
For my final thought, it's not a bad Easy, my concerns reside of some rhythms and flows which could've improved though.
[Normal]I'm not going talk about spread again, as it was mentioned in previous posts
00:23:861 (1) - Shouldn't this don't have NC as well as you followed the previous patterns? I find it quite interesting why you placed NC there when honestly it would make mroe sense without it. Yea fixed
01:03:183 (1,2) - While these two sliders make sense with the beat of the song, they feel overmapped because using a 1/1 slider would make stuff easier to read from beginner after the spam of 1/2 objects of the overall kiai. Consider applying the same here 01:46:573 (1,2) - Done
[]
My only complain reside about the overuse of 1/2 sliders and circles snapped to 1/2 tick. Take account this is a normal diff so using 1/1 and occasionally 1/2 would be better for players, starting from this high based BPM.
[Lumael's Hard] This diffs is really well made and flows particularly fine, despite Lumael is now afk, I have some few suggestions that could improve the difficulty itself:
00:09:624 (3,4,1) - I know this goes for the style of the mapper but honestly this would lok better if you give it a look because the flow ins't really intuitive because (4) is almost hidden for the (3) slider's body. It would make more sense if you did Ctrl + J over the (3) to, in this case, develop a neater zig zag flow since it was firstly the issue of this suggestion. I think an other modder had also suggested this and Lumael didn't change it, so I guess he doesn't want to
00:12:336 (3) - 02:00:810 (3) - By far those are the only one 1/2 slider with two repeats in this difficulty. They don't flow bad and all, however, the song doesn't claim for a two reverses here. It would make a neater rhythm if you removed a reverse and added a circle to fix this. Done
00:50:472 (4,5) - Why the random increasing of the DS here? It would play better if you short the distance between these notes and let the strong beat has the jump as well as you did in the upcoming patterns. Fixed
01:04:200 (3,4) - Not really sure what you were intending here but you could rotate them by 25° to develop a neater flow and keep consistent the DS. I've seen this more times in the diff so I think it's intentional
01:39:794 (1) - This NC really goes here? I do believe removing it will make more sense here according to the way you built up the NC here.Same as above, I found this pattern before and it has the same NC, so no change
[] Overall a really nice difficulty. Just some patterning and flows that can be easily fixed and this diff would be more than ready.

Thanks you Rocket! I can't give Kudosu WTF

Monstrata wrote:
Monstrata
[Extremity]

00:40:980 (2) - Having a 1/4 repeat here instead of a triplet/something more rhythmically dense dampens the build up effect you want here going into those 1/2 jumps. Replaced with triple
01:22:166 - 01:26:065 - This whole section should use a louder hit sound volume than 20%. Compare the loudness of the section here with the section at 01:05:895 - . You'll find they are very similar. I would even argue the presence of all those kicks from 01:22:166 (1,2,3,4) - would even demand a higher volume control. Agree, increased it
01:40:302 (7,1) - NC pattern here is rather questionable. I would swap them because 01:40:302 - just sounds like a much better place to begin a second combo, considering the electronic vocal is basically repeating itself twice. You can also see that the stream spacing changes on 01:40:302 (7) - not on 01:40:387 (1) -. Yea, done
[Lumael's Hard]

My main concern with this diff is just the inconsistent use of emphasis, but that's not too uncommon nowadays. I would still be a bit more consistent about it.
00:50:472 (4,5) - versus 00:51:658 (3,4) - . versus 01:01:149 (3,4) - I'm afraid I can't do anything about this. I will ruin the diff and I don't want this to happen :(
01:43:183 (6,1) - This spacing is just going to throw people off. You can argue there's an NC there, but this is also a Hard and players aren't as aware of these spacing changes. NC'ing removes the follow point which makes people more aware of rhythm in Insane/Extra diff's but the technique isn't found a lot in Hard's since players are dealing with spacing increases and "jumps" at this stage, not anti-jumps . Simple solution is stacking this slider underneath 01:43:183 (6) - 's tail. Refer to 00:59:794 (5,1) - for how Lumael executes this if you're going to make the change for him. Done

Thanks Monstrata!

Shiirn wrote:
Shiirn
[Copypasting]
I can fully understand the prevalent usage of copy+paste to speed things up, but it's horrifically lazy on your top most difficulty.
00:00:811 (1,2,3,4) - Just this, for example. 3 and 4 being direct copies of 1,2 and shifted over completely disregards any and all pitch or volume changes in the music. It's extremely boring and lazy. Even just swapping them around can imply to the player that something else is going on other than just mashing your 1/2 sliders and circles. This is repeated throughout the map and is more of a DQ reason than anything else imo.
You're not just copy+pasting one or two notes, you're literally fractally copy+pasting! You take a single straight slider, flip it, copy those two, copy them, move them a bit, and copy those 4 and use them everywhere else. This is literally the laziest thing I've seen in months.
on second thought seeing as literally this entire diff is like 70% copy pasted im only going to mod 30% of it. I remmaped the intro. Now it is only 50% copy pasted
01:40:810 (6,1) - this is better off as a 1/2 slider with a new combo on the start I don't really agree
01:39:793 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - this new comboing is horrible. If you want a new combo in this section, it should be one of the following: 1->12, 1234,1234,1234,1. No other possibility arise for the new comboing here. Changed as Monstrata said
01:40:979 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1,2,3,4,5,6) - what the hell. did nobody look at the new combos before qualifying this? New combo should be on 01:41:149 - and 01:42:166 - and 01:43:183 - Fixed
^apply that new comboing there for 01:14:030 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1,2,3) - this mess too Fixed
01:14:030 (1,2,3) - also what the heck is the consistency here. You've always had 2 stacks -> jumps for this noise but this is like the only exception (except for when you copy+paste this)
01:57:421 (1,2) - the complete lack of movement here makes no sense from a gameplay perspective Did something
02:05:556 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - did someone drop me into Smoothie's Racemization when I wasn't looking? Yea, the Santa Claus in the BG dropped you into it
02:10:641 (1) - this is literally mapped to noghting It gives a nice effect before the finishing note, so I'm gonna keep it
okay 30% effort for a 30% effort map Thanks, that's so kind of you

Your mod was kinda rude, but thank you anyway.

Shiirn

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Shiirn 2016-02-23T19:47:40+00:00

I'm rude because I care.

HappyRocket88

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HappyRocket88 2016-02-24T01:27:26+00:00

Re-checking

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00:28:607 (3) - 00:31:319 (3) - Would you mind making them 1/1 sliders? While the drums of the background is a sound, it's not really prominet to highlight because you might be skipping them by placing 1/2 sliders. It would be better if you removed these sliders 00:31:658 (4) - 00:28:946 (4) - and made the ones I stated 1/1 sliders to ease significantly this pattern.

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That's all from my part. I see the mapset has improved a lot since you apply Monstrata's and Shiirn's suggestions.

You can poke me anytime if you need me to push it again to the ranked page.

Kuki

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Kuki 2016-02-24T08:36:50+00:00

Shiirn wrote:
I'm rude because I care.

same haha

extremity

00:19:794 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - i really think you could have made a better circle here, or maybe something like this looks cool and plays well with emphasis i think

00:27:929 (1) - i think that this would look better vertically flipped

00:59:963 (7) - ctrl+g on this gets you ready for the jump at 01:00:133 (8) - and i think is also a bit more fun, maybe you should try this on other portions of the map to make it a bit more than two of the same sliders close to eachother? just an idea to spice things up, i'm sure it's been suggested in the past so if it's made it this far by all means ignore this lol

01:22:166 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - u can probably do more here than just copy two sliders to make four then copy those to make eight but i mean whatever i guess, symmetry is ok

ur map's good, as i'm sure you already know by the multiple bubbles. what i think you could work on is making your maps cleaner? i suppose it's not a big deal to most people but i really like having my maps clean. you should toy with the idea of reusing placement a bit more too.

good luck with the re-rank, though i'm sure you won't need it

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xDarxen

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xDarxen 2016-02-24T13:19:02+00:00

HappyRocket88 wrote:
Re-checking

[Normal]
00:28:607 (3) - 00:31:319 (3) - Would you mind making them 1/1 sliders? While the drums of the background is a sound, it's not really prominet to highlight because you might be skipping them by placing 1/2 sliders. It would be better if you removed these sliders 00:31:658 (4) - 00:28:946 (4) - and made the ones I stated 1/1 sliders to ease significantly this pattern.Yea done

Thank you HR, I really think your suggestions improved the lower diffs

Kuki wrote:
00:19:794 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - i really think you could have made a better circle here, or maybe something like this looks cool and plays well with emphasis i think Changed to something similar to what you suggested

00:27:929 (1) - i think that this would look better vertically flipped Yea

00:59:963 (7) - ctrl+g on this gets you ready for the jump at 01:00:133 (8) - and i think is also a bit more fun, maybe you should try this on other portions of the map to make it a bit more than two of the same sliders close to eachother? just an idea to spice things up, i'm sure it's been suggested in the past so if it's made it this far by all means ignore this lol Lol, it was indeed mentioned in some old mods, when the map was still trash (I hope it's not the same now), so I don't feel like changing it right now

01:22:166 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - u can probably do more here than just copy two sliders to make four then copy those to make eight but i mean whatever i guess, symmetry is ok Meh, I thing it looks good

ur map's good, as i'm sure you already know by the multiple bubbles. what i think you could work on is making your maps cleaner? i suppose it's not a big deal to most people but i really like having my maps clean. you should toy with the idea of reusing placement a bit more too. The problem with reusing placement so often is that when you change something, then you have to readjust everything, but yea it's a nice technique every map should have

good luck with the re-rank, though i'm sure you won't need it

Thank you Kuki!

Kuki

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Kuki 2016-02-24T18:44:03+00:00

sorry dude i forgot to add the diffname

my bad

Bara-

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Bara- 2016-02-25T16:03:06+00:00

FCL: 01:02:158 (3) - isn't snapped
Call me for bubble when it's fixed

xDarxen

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xDarxen 2016-02-25T16:42:21+00:00

Bara- wrote:
FCL: 01:02:158 (3) - isn't snapped
Call me for bubble when it's fixed

Fixed, thanks again

Bara-

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Bara- 2016-02-25T16:45:21+00:00

Let's see how it goes this time

HappyRocket88

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HappyRocket88 2016-02-25T20:13:44+00:00

(ノ･ω･)ノ

Bara-

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Bara- 2016-02-25T20:15:17+00:00

Gratz!

Slayed_old_1

Slayed_old_1 2016-02-25T20:22:16+00:00

grats!

xDarxen

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xDarxen 2016-02-25T20:36:03+00:00

Here we go again

Thanks!

Shiirn

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Shiirn 2016-02-25T21:26:15+00:00

Hi! I'm back. I'm not intending to mod this from a disqualification standpoint, but from a standpoint of giving tips to a new mapper. In my opinion, this map is perfectly rankable provided that it is a new mapper, as this level of inexperience is to be expected from a new mapper. Plenty of leeway can be afford to this map for ranking as it is perfectly functional and is of a genre of music that, even if mapped imperfectly, can still be perfectly fun! (I'd be much more difficult to please if this was a hardcore death metal or wubby camellia map, those are technically much more demanding and as such standards must be set higher).

Again, this is not a mod for disqualification, but trying to impart some knowledge with suggestions towards improvement for any future maps this mapper makes.

Again, I don't intend for this to be a DQ mod. This is a ranty-ish mod that I'm doing simply because I'm bored and want to explain a few things about my perspective for this genre of music.

Extremity

In general, hitsounding is probably the biggest 'issue' here - Nobody has told you how to use hitsounds, so you just add them where they sound neat. That's all well and good, but music like this is very consistent. I'll be mentioning a handful of hitsounding issues as I go along. The most notable examples are during the drummy bits - you tend to use claps on some instruments and whistles on other but they're inconsistent and not always following the actual music. I will point out many of these.
For the intro, 00:00:811 (1) - to 00:20:980 (4) - , you use soft whistles to show emphasis on the synth hihats in the background while continuing to map the flute. The small issue I have with this is that when you decided to "redo some of the intro" to appease me for how much you copypasted, you ended up having identical clicking patterns for the player while having hitsounds imply different emphasis. This is a really minor problem for this kind of music, but can be troublesome in more complex pieces where you want to try to show emphasis for different instruments at the same time. A better way to go about it would have been to have a Slider-Slider-Slider-Slider pattern for the first 4/4, and then Slider-Circle-Circle-Slider-Slider for the second, as this adds an extra click with the whistle hitsound that clearly shows you're hitting the synth. This allows for more consistent jump patterns as well - cursor movement can emphasize instruments just as well as clicks.
00:19:794 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - There is zero reason to put claps on these. That is to say, "These are the last two pieces of the section" isn't a good enough reason - there is nothing musically special about them, and the clap sound does not fit as a random addition.
00:22:505 (1,5) - No reason for these whistles. This continues over and over.
00:23:861 (1,5) - Same here, but...
00:24:709 (6) - This could totally have had a whistle. This should also be the new combo as 00:24:709 (6,1,2) - are all scratch noises, but 6's scratch is different from 1 and 2 so it being left as a circle is totally fitting.
00:28:268 (2) - Should have a clap.
00:28:607 (5) - Should have a whistle on the start if you are emphasizing the instrument here, that is different from the drum clap.
00:28:777 (6) - Should have a clap, for the drum clap.
00:28:946 (1) - shouldn't have new combo
00:29:624 (3) - +Clap
00:29:963 (6) - Same whistle on start + clap issues. This repeats over and over as it is consistent but does not follow the music: The thump and drum hits are two separate instruments but are being represented by the same hitsound or different hitsounds inconsistently.
00:31:319 (6) - This is normally a 1/4 slider and a circle, which actually does fit quite well, why is it a kick here? There's nothing musically different, so you should keep things consistent: Spacing is much less lenient for emphasis than actual clicks, but clicks are vital.
00:31:658 (1) - Should also not have new combos. I am fine with new combos on the track scratches, they emphasize instruments. These do nothing except keep the combo from hitting double digits (which does not matter)
00:33:014 (3,4) - Don't just copy+paste 1 and 2. That is super lazy. Do something like this
00:38:438 (3,4) - ^^ do something like this or it's just not emphasized, it's just copy+pasted.
The buildup before the kiai is super nice. I wish you kept the clap hitsounds from the previous section for these though: 00:41:488 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - , softclap sucks.
00:43:860 (7) - Should really really have some kind of hitsound.
00:45:895 (3,4) - Seriously, do SOMETHING to these on your next map. Copy+paste and doing nothing to them is the epitome of laziness and your first map should not be lazy. Ctrl+G 3 and 4 individually, looks pretty cool imo.
00:46:743 (1,2) - Swap new combos. New combo should be on 2. I blame HR88 and Bara more than you for these, they should know better as modders how to do new comboing and hitsound modding.
00:57:760 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - Basically the kiai is a mess as far as rhythm consistency goes. You need to decide whether you are going to stick to slider-circle-slider-circle offbeat patterns or circle-circle-slider-circle-circle-slider bounce beats. This causes the kiai to play awkwardly in the best parts. (I can understand it can get confusing because the consistent beat is interrupted by the scratches
01:08:606 (1,2) - Why isn't this a slider instead of two circles like every other pattern similar to this in the map? This is what I don't understand.
Also your soft hitsounding after the kiai is really lacklustre, you should try to use the custom hitsounds you have instead of softclaps (as they suck)
01:14:030 (1) - okay for these you want to have them all clicks instead of sliders because of the voice that's fine but there's no reason for such a huge jump from 1->2. It doesn't even drop the star rating.
01:16:403 (3,4,5,6,1) - these should have drum hitsounds as the drums are very strong for these notes.
01:29:285 (3,4) - again, these are lazy and honestly don't even play that well or interestingly. Oh wait, this is copy+pasted from the first kiai.
01:42:674 (4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - this star is extremely bad please keep in mind for the future.
The section directly after the kiai has over 0.5 of the star rating due to the excessive spacing of the 1/2 notes but whatever, "my style".
01:56:403 (3,4) - these are better off ctrl+g'd to keep the rotation of the cursor while having the break to a new position happens on a new combo. This is much easier to read and (ugh ) flows better. Keep these kinds of motions in mind for the future.

Again this isn't a DQ mod, just wanted to get some explanations going here. I think this map is perfectly fine to go through to ranking, again, because it's the mapper's first ranked map, and thus quality standards are fine to be a tad bit lower. But the kind of modding this map has gotten has confused me. Everyone was all up and arms about the spread and apparently everyone looked real closely at the map (right....?) and they didn't notice all of that up there? Seems like mostly everyone lost track of their job, here - be good modders, not good judges.

(And I didn't even take a close look at the other difficulties)

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Yuii-

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Yuii- 2016-02-25T21:37:13+00:00

Again, that was not a DQ mod.

Okoayu

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Okoayu 2016-02-25T21:38:37+00:00

you could have done that like... before people went ahead and requalified because now it in fact looks like a dq mod.

Putting it into your mod 4 times that it's not intended to be shows me that you are pretty aware of that though.

Arphimigon

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Arphimigon 2016-02-25T21:38:44+00:00

Yuii- wrote:
Again, that was not a DQ mod.

Shiirn

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Shiirn 2016-02-25T21:38:45+00:00

Again, it wasn't - people will jump down my throat because i'm rude/mean/whatever, so I had to disclaimer it - I think it's fine to go through to ranking as it is but there are many points of (albeit minor) improvement possible that I am astonished that this array of mods and checks didn't even notice.

Okoratu wrote:
you could have done that like... before people went ahead and requalified because now it in fact looks like a dq mod.

Putting it into your mod 4 times that it's not intended to be shows me that you are pretty aware of that though.

I was busy the past few days and when I logged on today it had already been qualified because it was rebubbled and qualified over the course of like five hours. It's more pointed at you and the rest of the BNs than anyone else (monstrata excepted) who seemed to start going against eachother instead of going over the map.

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Okoayu

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Okoayu 2016-02-25T21:41:08+00:00

so why not fix them up, if the mapper really cares about all that minor stuff you brought up they would probably agree to take it down again to improve it further

lol I see so it's a fuck you directed to me for getting caught up in a spread discussion on this thread because i thought the line of reasoning presented by hr88 wasn't really the way people should go about judging it.

edit 4: i need to add a disclaimer that the last paragraph above is purely sarcastic and should not be taken out of context or seriously.

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xDarxen

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xDarxen 2016-02-25T21:47:23+00:00

Damn, I feel bad now

HappyRocket88

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HappyRocket88 2016-02-25T21:50:59+00:00

xDarxen wrote:
Damn, I feel bad now

Feel free to poke me back once you've adressed Shiirn's hitsound-mod. \:D/

Natsu

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Natsu 2016-02-25T21:51:20+00:00

xDarxen wrote:
Damn, I feel bad now

Don't feel bad, beatmapping is like that lately, reply to the mod if you want to improve something then do and request a DQ, anyways don't give up and call me if you need me here. GL

Monstrata

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Monstrata 2016-02-26T00:16:57+00:00

if placeholders didnt become a meme, putting a placeholder for HR88 and Bara to see would have totally avoided this issue xD.

Too bad everything is a meme nowadays. Inb4 "That was not a DQ mod" becomes a meme.

Disclaimer: That was not a DQ mod.

Yuii-

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Yuii- 2016-02-26T00:24:40+00:00

monstrata wrote:
Too bad everything is a meme nowadays. Inb4 "That was not a DQ mod" becomes a meme.

Taking care of that!

xDarxen

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xDarxen 2016-02-26T12:51:02+00:00

Okay, after a lot of thinking, I've decided not to change anything. I actually like the way it is right now. If it gets DQed for an other reason, I will probably take advantage of that to improve some things. I will definitely take the suggestions into consideration though, so my future maps improve.

Thank you!

Shiirn

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Shiirn 2016-02-26T14:45:39+00:00

Like I said, that's fine - it was all stuff you should just keep in mind for your future maps. The mod was just as much for the other observers as it was for the mapper himself.

Kuki

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Kuki 2016-02-27T13:30:17+00:00

Monstrata wrote:
if placeholders didnt become a meme, putting a placeholder for HR88 and Bara to see would have totally avoided this issue xD.

Too bad everything is a meme nowadays. Inb4 "That was not a DQ mod" becomes a meme.

Disclaimer: That was not a DQ mod.

haha

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Zerss 2016-03-06T11:56:32+00:00

Finally ranked! Gratz~

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winnerspiros 2016-03-06T15:11:18+00:00

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