Because it's impossible to doubt yourself after trying everything.Khelly wrote:
Because you think like that and go "boohoo I'm already at my limit I can't improve" yes.
Because it's impossible to doubt yourself after trying everything.Khelly wrote:
Because you think like that and go "boohoo I'm already at my limit I can't improve" yes.
Give it another 2-3 million hits you'll be fine.Repr1se wrote:
Yes, people have limits. 100%. I've just about reached mine -- and with 4 hours of play per day, I haven't improved. I've been downloading and playing maps from 5 stars to 6 stars, with and without HR or DT, playing the same maps three times, doing jump/square jump/stream practice maps. I normally FC 5 stars, but now I struggle to manage FC-ing 4.5.
So, yes, people have limits, and won't pass them.
Yeah, I'm sure you have.Repr1se wrote:
Because it's impossible to doubt yourself after trying everything.Khelly wrote:
Because you think like that and go "boohoo I'm already at my limit I can't improve" yes.
At least you have progress on your graph... Thus you are improving in a sense, even if it is just pp farming.Repr1se wrote:
Because I'm a sad sack of shit that sucks at this game and should uninstall and deal with terribad hitreg in CSGO.
Holy shit.Insyni wrote:
At least you have progress on your graph... Thus you are improving in a sense, even if it is just pp farming.Repr1se wrote:
Because I'm a sad sack of shit that sucks at this game and should uninstall and deal with terribad hitreg in CSGO.
Meanwhile I sit here struggling to achieve 97% on 2-3.5 star songs.
Yes, mentality does play a big part. Despite what I've said, I think what I'm doing now will help in the long run and am looking forwards to that.Khelly wrote:
I like seeing the mentality in regards to pp of people who can't improve. It makes me laugh.
Insyni wrote:
Yes, mentality does play a big part. Despite what I've said, I think what I'm doing now will help in the long run and am looking forwards to that.Khelly wrote:
I like seeing the mentality in regards to pp of people who can't improve. It makes me laugh.
I also wanted to point out that a person shouldn't be complaining about not improving when their pp graph shows significant progress.
i am so sorryInsyni wrote:
Meanwhile I sit here struggling to achieve 97% on 2-3.5 star songs just to improve my accuracy enough to not spam 4 star songs.
20k plays in one year is not enough to get much better rank than u have. if u had played 50k then you would be much better XDRepr1se wrote:
Yes, people have limits. 100%. I've just about reached mine -- and with 4 hours of play per day, I haven't improved. I've been downloading and playing maps from 5 stars to 6 stars, with and without HR or DT, playing the same maps three times, doing jump/square jump/stream practice maps. I normally FC 5 stars, but now I struggle to manage FC-ing 4.5.
So, yes, people have limits, and won't pass them.
I think speed is the only limit people may have, or can be an extremely hard barrier to improve in. Out of aim, accuracy, and speed, speed has by far the most varied results from practice among players. I have tried for years many different methods to practice streaming with my fingers but the rate I was improving was absolutely abysmal, my fingers just weren't meant to move like that. In order to improve at streaming again, I had to utilize my wrist more and observed how sayo and WWW streamed. I was finally able to improve in speed and control after learning from scratch, but my fingers won't move the way that Niko's or Jesus' does. I know it's hard to believe people may not be built like you, who clearly didn't have too much problems improving in speed. I would've aged too old before reaching 250bpm at the rate my individual fingers were improving speed. Maybe it would've been possible, but by means extending way passed osu! practice alone for a normal person like me, like taking a break to master Jeet Kune Do or something.Khelly wrote:
I don't think some people have a limit where they can't go to a certain speed, e.g, 250 bpm - I just think they don't try hard enough/correctly/give up too easily.
I think I just poorly worded it. I was trying to say it that way because they complained about not improving, while they obviously were. I do agree that pp farming is a good for improving if you have the base skills and should not be looked down upon as it is often portrayed on the forums.Khelly wrote:
Here's the thing, you specifically said "even if it's just pp farming" and that statement told me everything I needed to know. It reeks of the same types of people who like to say "I'm playing now for improvement not pp ecks dee" like they're two mutually exclusive things that you can only focus on one or the other and it's not the case. (trim)
Simfy wrote:
All is in the title.
To be honest, I was playing osu a lot and then I play less often because I started to tought that I can't progress more
When I tried to improve at something like my streaming speed or other things it worked after training(1/2 months), but now I'm starting to think that i can't stream at the speed i want(actually it means 220+ bpm). After lot of training during lot of months I don't feel like i'm improving
And you, what do you think about it ?
I don't determine challenging in terms of acc - it's how hard the map is for me to fc.Insyni wrote:
Also, you mentioned how playing songs that gave you pp and you found challenging helped you improve drastically. I think the whole concept of playing challenging things tends to be what throws a lot of people off. I've seen posts going left and right saying challenging is something you can't get 97% on, while others say that things under 93% are challenging, and even some people saying just to play above 70%.
Even worse, if someone tries jumping between all these ideas of "what is challenging" they end up placing a mental limit on their skills because they aren't seeing the consistent improvement that comes from focusing on one area at a time.
You have to actively focus on wanting to get better, not just playing whatever the fuck you feel like. Whether or not you find that fun is a different story.[ Kakuja ] wrote:
Everybody is different.
Some people improves faster, and some people improves slow and steady.
Enjoy the game, play for funz and the result you want will come sooner or later.
wtf noEndaris wrote:
AR11 is a limit.
"50 plays in one day or die trying"Play the correct maps pls. Sightreading is the most important thing for someone below 1k pp.
Dude, you have 4k plays... Basically, you never played the game (and you care about rank and PP already).Talinoth wrote:
About a year ago, I was about to achieve rank 100k (still really underwhelming), and then I hit a wall. I couldn't advance in rank at all. In fact, no matter how much I played, I kept losing ranks, and slid backwards. Now I'm nearly at 150k.
Never said I was *skilled* (where did you get that one from?) I was saying that what skill I did have (read: very little) became even more scarce. I mean, to someone like you it's obviously meaningless because the difference is invisible when you're *that* much better than me, but it still meant something to me.Endaris wrote:
Stop thinking in ranks.
Also Talinoth you aren't even playing the game.
Skill in osu! builds up over time and practice yet you want to play all the stuff that is beyond the basic level you haven't even begun to master.
Of course it doesn't work.
And your skill can't degenerate when it wasn't ever there. You could never play 5 star maps and you still can't."50 plays in one day or die trying"Play the correct maps pls. Sightreading is the most important thing for someone below 1k pp.
I barely play this game and in the same time have racked up 8x your hitcount and playcount. So yeah, you don't even play this game.Talinoth wrote:
Never said I was *skilled* (where did you get that one from?) I was saying that what skill I did have (read: very little) became even more scarce. I mean, to someone like you it's obviously meaningless because the difference is invisible when you're *that* much better than me, but it still meant something to me.
"Not playing the game"? I'm not an addict, that's for sure, but I am playing the game - as much as I can without burning myself out mentally or getting injured. It's been 2 years, you'd expect *some* improvement. I'm not exactly looking for much, I have really low expectations and yet I still fail to meet them.
And besides, you yourself barely have 2x the number of plays I have (!!!), and your stats blow mine out of the water (4x the pp, despite diminishing returns the more time you practice something). It's absolutely no comparison. At this point no practice I put in would ever get me even remotely close to what you can do.
"Time and practice". You've put in twice the practice for sure, (10k plays to my 4.6k) but you've achieved more than I likely ever would given even ten times that many plays.
Jesus christ man.
As for sight-reading, that's not where the problem lies anyway. Don't know how that would help, I just hate anything above 130bpm forever and ever.
Ehhh I can pass themMayu Watanabe wrote:
You have to know that the maps difficulty is exponential in this game.
All of these maps are 4 stars or close. Do you have the level for doing a 4 stars map ?
A 4 stars maps is not twice difficult than a 2 stars map, it's MUCH MORE difficult.
More the rating is high, more the rating will increase, even the decimal will make a significant difference at some point.
You better looking at the rating instead of the name of the difficulty !
Exactly.Talinoth wrote:
Ehhh I can pass themeasilywithout killing myself trying, but there's a big difference between passing and getting good acc (90% or above) or a combo above 100 on them a lot of the time.
*Sigh* you deliver bad news in a logical way that I can't argue.Endaris wrote:
You're not practicing effectively then.
You're dying/retrying maps too much.
Also it is not about passing a map. If you're passing a map with 80% acc you're only passing due to low drain.
osu!(assuming it's a rhythm game) is about passing a map reasonably well up to fullcombo'ing a map. If you're playing at the edge of your comfortzone you will get a lot of 1-miss-plays which is fine.
I can assure you that my basic hand-eye-coordination is bad.