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Changed some more small things with Smoothie in IRC
Now, there's two things I quickly want to point out. Call me rude if you want to, or that I dont appreciate mapping styles, but Im just trying to point out things that could be done better. Ive asked another BN on their opinion on this as well.
Fort:
basically what pishi said. Maybe adjust some overlaps for them to make sense with similar counterparts.
crabo:
I think it'd be great if you could adjust some patterns to be more natural.
To me, the map kinda feels like multiple bits that arent really connecting to each other, whether it be because same-sounding parts have completely different patterns or because of some counter-intuitive design choices.
For example, these following parts all have the same type of music, but completely different patterns:
00:01:750 (4) - Is a Slider
00:03:250 (5,6,1) - Is a slowdown stack
00:04:750 (7) - Is a Slider again
00:06:250 (5) - Is a Slider again (should be a slowdown stack to keep a 2 bar consistency? (a b a b))
00:07:750 (1,2) - Are spead Circles (why are these spread but others arent?)
00:09:250 (3,4) - Is a perfect stack (why not a slowdown stack or the other way around?)
00:10:750 (5) - Is a Slider
So basically, this ends up in a _ a b a a c d a _ situation, as opposed to a basic _ a b a b c d c _ for example
The small letters being different types of patterns
Then, these are the same-sounding parts just before the above ones
00:01:450 (2,3) - Are spead Circles
00:02:800 (3,4) - Is a Slider and a Circle
00:04:450 (5,6) - Is a stack (should be spread Circles to keep a 2 bar consistency? (a b a b))
00:05:800 (3,4) - Is a Slider and a Circle
00:07:300 (3,4) - Is a Slider and a Circle
00:08:800 (2) - Is a repeat Slider (where does this one come from?)
00:10:300 (3,4) - Is a Slider and a Circle
And then here we have _ a b c b b d b _
... and this kinda continues throughout the map. It doesnt feel like "one map" as in "it's one big thing that completely connects".
Dont get me wrong, technically all of that is in the rankable area, but it just could be much better and more enjoyable. If you feel like changing things and working on your diff, feel free to drop a pm ingame. I'd be ready to help. If not, ... well, thats okay. I'll still work for this set.
Edit: I've already received a KD in this thread, no seconds.
Now, there's two things I quickly want to point out. Call me rude if you want to, or that I dont appreciate mapping styles, but Im just trying to point out things that could be done better. Ive asked another BN on their opinion on this as well.
Fort:
basically what pishi said. Maybe adjust some overlaps for them to make sense with similar counterparts.
tl;dr
2015-05-11 23:52 pishifat: overlaps for the most part are good
2015-05-11 23:52 Yauxo: stop and go thingies too?
2015-05-11 23:52 pishifat: he keeps the amount overlapped on circles
2015-05-11 23:53 pishifat: mostly the same
2015-05-11 23:53 pishifat: could tell him to make them the same idk if hed do it tho
2015-05-11 23:53 pishifat: the ones that i think suck most are overlaps on triples stacked
2015-05-11 23:53 pishifat: 00:28:150 (7,2,3,4) -
2015-05-11 23:53 pishifat: that kind
2015-05-11 23:53 pishifat: 00:35:200 (4,5,6,1) - this is the owrst
2015-05-11 23:54 pishifat: and what i meant by consistent overlapping is like
2015-05-11 23:54 pishifat: 00:36:850 (1,1,2,3,4,5,6) -
2015-05-11 23:54 pishifat: 2,5 and 1,3 are overlaped same amount
2015-05-11 23:54 pishifat: but 4,6 not
2015-05-11 23:54 pishifat: so make same
2015-05-11 23:54 pishifat: and alos this one is just weird 00:52:300 (4,1) -
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2015-05-11 23:59 Yauxo: so would u say it's k the way it is
2015-05-11 23:59 pishifat: i suppose
2015-05-11 23:59 pishifat: still could be better tho
2015-05-11 23:35 Yauxo: when u done
2015-05-11 23:38 pishifat: s
2015-05-11 23:38 Yauxo: e
2015-05-11 23:38 Yauxo: x
2015-05-11 23:48 pishifat: y
2015-05-11 23:48 pishifat: es i can do things now
2015-05-11 23:49 Yauxo: k
2015-05-11 23:49 Yauxo: on the fort diff
2015-05-11 23:49 Yauxo: gibe me opinion if that's good to go
2015-05-11 23:49 Yauxo: because fuck, so many overlaps
2015-05-11 23:49 Yauxo: I dont even
2015-05-11 23:49 pishifat: the fort
2015-05-11 23:49 Yauxo: les fortos diffos
2015-05-11 23:52 pishifat: i think
2015-05-11 23:52 pishifat: overlaps for the most part are good
2015-05-11 23:52 Yauxo: stop and go thingies too?
2015-05-11 23:52 pishifat: he keeps the amount overlapped on circles
2015-05-11 23:53 pishifat: mostly the same
2015-05-11 23:53 pishifat: could tell him to make them the same idk if hed do it tho
2015-05-11 23:53 pishifat: the ones that i think suck most are overlaps on triples stacked
2015-05-11 23:53 pishifat: 00:28:150 (7,2,3,4) -
2015-05-11 23:53 pishifat: that kind
2015-05-11 23:53 pishifat: 00:35:200 (4,5,6,1) - this is the owrst
2015-05-11 23:54 pishifat: and what i meant by consistent overlapping is like
2015-05-11 23:54 pishifat: 00:36:850 (1,1,2,3,4,5,6) -
2015-05-11 23:54 pishifat: 2,5 and 1,3 are overlaped same amount
2015-05-11 23:54 pishifat: but 4,6 not
2015-05-11 23:54 pishifat: so make same
2015-05-11 23:54 pishifat: and alos this one is just weird 00:52:300 (4,1) -
2015-05-11 23:55 Yauxo: the worst thing about this is that I could totally suggest these
2015-05-11 23:55 Yauxo: and he wouldnt change
2015-05-11 23:55 pishifat: tell him
2015-05-11 23:55 pishifat: change or smd
2015-05-11 23:55 pishifat: mine particularily not yours
2015-05-11 23:55 Yauxo: "change your shit or suck pishis dick"?
2015-05-11 23:56 pishifat: works
2015-05-11 23:56 pishifat: i think hes basing his overlaps
2015-05-11 23:57 pishifat: off of what i do
2015-05-11 23:57 Yauxo: wat
2015-05-11 23:57 pishifat: cuz they look like same way i overlap crap
2015-05-11 23:57 pishifat: https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/3634879
2015-05-11 23:57 pishifat: he warned the world
2015-05-11 23:58 Yauxo: fuck
2015-05-11 23:58 Yauxo: why did u do this
2015-05-11 23:58 pishifat: the pseudo stack is becoming mainstream B)
2015-05-11 23:59 Yauxo: i have high doubts that he wont change anything I say, he didnt do it in the mod as well
2015-05-11 23:59 Yauxo: so would u say it's k the way it is
2015-05-11 23:59 pishifat: i suppose
2015-05-11 23:59 pishifat: still could be better tho
crabo:
I think it'd be great if you could adjust some patterns to be more natural.
To me, the map kinda feels like multiple bits that arent really connecting to each other, whether it be because same-sounding parts have completely different patterns or because of some counter-intuitive design choices.
For example, these following parts all have the same type of music, but completely different patterns:
00:01:750 (4) - Is a Slider
00:03:250 (5,6,1) - Is a slowdown stack
00:04:750 (7) - Is a Slider again
00:06:250 (5) - Is a Slider again (should be a slowdown stack to keep a 2 bar consistency? (a b a b))
00:07:750 (1,2) - Are spead Circles (why are these spread but others arent?)
00:09:250 (3,4) - Is a perfect stack (why not a slowdown stack or the other way around?)
00:10:750 (5) - Is a Slider
So basically, this ends up in a _ a b a a c d a _ situation, as opposed to a basic _ a b a b c d c _ for example
The small letters being different types of patterns
Then, these are the same-sounding parts just before the above ones
00:01:450 (2,3) - Are spead Circles
00:02:800 (3,4) - Is a Slider and a Circle
00:04:450 (5,6) - Is a stack (should be spread Circles to keep a 2 bar consistency? (a b a b))
00:05:800 (3,4) - Is a Slider and a Circle
00:07:300 (3,4) - Is a Slider and a Circle
00:08:800 (2) - Is a repeat Slider (where does this one come from?)
00:10:300 (3,4) - Is a Slider and a Circle
And then here we have _ a b c b b d b _
... and this kinda continues throughout the map. It doesnt feel like "one map" as in "it's one big thing that completely connects".
Dont get me wrong, technically all of that is in the rankable area, but it just could be much better and more enjoyable. If you feel like changing things and working on your diff, feel free to drop a pm ingame. I'd be ready to help. If not, ... well, thats okay. I'll still work for this set.
Edit: I've already received a KD in this thread, no seconds.
i got this overlaps
this overlaps feels natural
hahahaha
this overlaps feels natural
hahahaha
fort.exe has stopped working
from what i see the rest should be k, i only mentioned the ones which were annoying as hellthrowing in an opinion on overlaps because i can
00:07:000 (2) - this one is pretty weird to read because this is the only time in the entire diff that you put sth underneath a slidertrack like this
00:10:450 (5) - this one is a bit smaller than the other ones surrounding it, not hard to read but could be a bit bigger for consistency
00:14:950 (10,1) - why do these stack normally i expected some kind of ~stuff~
00:35:200 (4,5,6,1) - these are a bit harder to get because 00:35:200 (4,5,6) - stack and hide most of 00:35:650 (1) - beneath them, moving 1 a bit can help a bit
00:38:500 (4,6) - is a lot smaller than 00:38:050 (1,3) - or 00:38:200 (2,5) - which looks weird in combination
00:07:000 (2) - this one is pretty weird to read because this is the only time in the entire diff that you put sth underneath a slidertrack like this
00:10:450 (5) - this one is a bit smaller than the other ones surrounding it, not hard to read but could be a bit bigger for consistency
00:14:950 (10,1) - why do these stack normally i expected some kind of ~stuff~
00:35:200 (4,5,6,1) - these are a bit harder to get because 00:35:200 (4,5,6) - stack and hide most of 00:35:650 (1) - beneath them, moving 1 a bit can help a bit
00:38:500 (4,6) - is a lot smaller than 00:38:050 (1,3) - or 00:38:200 (2,5) - which looks weird in combination
SPOILER
I appreciate your kindness, but I'm doing that purposely, I don't like when much things are same. But I'll take note about this for future maps(diffs).Yauxo wrote:
crabo:
I think it'd be great if you could adjust some patterns to be more natural.
To me, the map kinda feels like multiple bits that arent really connecting to each other, whether it be because same-sounding parts have completely different patterns or because of some counter-intuitive design choices.
For example, these following parts all have the same type of music, but completely different patterns:
00:01:750 (4) - Is a Slider
00:03:250 (5,6,1) - Is a slowdown stack
00:04:750 (7) - Is a Slider again
00:06:250 (5) - Is a Slider again (should be a slowdown stack to keep a 2 bar consistency? (a b a b))
00:07:750 (1,2) - Are spead Circles (why are these spread but others arent?)
00:09:250 (3,4) - Is a perfect stack (why not a slowdown stack or the other way around?)
00:10:750 (5) - Is a Slider
So basically, this ends up in a _ a b a a c d a _ situation, as opposed to a basic _ a b a b c d c _ for example
The small letters being different types of patterns
Then, these are the same-sounding parts just before the above ones
00:01:450 (2,3) - Are spead Circles
00:02:800 (3,4) - Is a Slider and a Circle
00:04:450 (5,6) - Is a stack (should be spread Circles to keep a 2 bar consistency? (a b a b))
00:05:800 (3,4) - Is a Slider and a Circle
00:07:300 (3,4) - Is a Slider and a Circle
00:08:800 (2) - Is a repeat Slider (where does this one come from?)
00:10:300 (3,4) - Is a Slider and a Circle
And then here we have _ a b c b b d b _
... and this kinda continues throughout the map. It doesnt feel like "one map" as in "it's one big thing that completely connects".
Dont get me wrong, technically all of that is in the rankable area, but it just could be much better and more enjoyable. If you feel like changing things and working on your diff, feel free to drop a pm ingame. I'd be ready to help. If not, ... well, thats okay. I'll still work for this set.
Even though there is a ton of new posts after the first bubble (Cherry Blossom), not too much has changed.
We also fixed this in multiple small IRC sessions:
- Some borderline-offscreen objects
- A tiny rhythmic problem in Beginner
- Some more minor stuff here and there that I already forgot about
Info about the Spinner on Basic 01:17:950 (1) -
Ive talked to a QAT about its recovery time, and he said that it was borderline acceptable and sent me to ask other BNs about their opinion (I asked some ingame and posted the question in the BN Skype Group).
The result is that 4+1 people thought it's okay, 1 didnt think that it's okay, so we decided to keep it (+1 being myself).
~ Qualified 
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We also fixed this in multiple small IRC sessions:
- Some borderline-offscreen objects
- A tiny rhythmic problem in Beginner
- Some more minor stuff here and there that I already forgot about
Info about the Spinner on Basic 01:17:950 (1) -
Ive talked to a QAT about its recovery time, and he said that it was borderline acceptable and sent me to ask other BNs about their opinion (I asked some ingame and posted the question in the BN Skype Group).
The result is that 4+1 people thought it's okay, 1 didnt think that it's okay, so we decided to keep it (+1 being myself).
Congrats guys (:
omg gratz dude
kinda worried about the I->X spread
Wow! Gratz Smoothie :'D
Really good stuff over there <3
Really good stuff over there <3
Topic Starter
Thank you so much everybody
wow you did it smoothie, congrats!
edit: wow you did it smoothie, congrats!
edit: wow you did it smoothie, congrats!
WE MADE IT !!!
Yo, I remember this map (back when I was shit at modding).
Great map, congratzzz
Great map, congratzzz
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Yo, I remember this map (back when I was shit at modding).
Great map, congratzzz