Sky Motion - Autumn Dreams (SoundLift Remix) [OsuMania] · forum

Razorflamekun

Joined October 2014

Topic Starter

Razorflamekun 2014-12-16T00:20:43+00:00

This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Saturday, October 03, 2015 at 2:50:50 PM

Artist: Sky Motion
Title: Autumn Dreams (SoundLift Remix)
Source: Blue Soho Records
Tags: trance remix "autumn dreams" marathon
BPM: 140
Filesize: 11155kb
Play Time: 07:25
Difficulties Available:

Autumn Dreams - 4Key (3.49 stars, 3347 notes)

Download: Sky Motion - Autumn Dreams (SoundLift Remix)
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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This beatmap is of a song that I really enjoy listening to and want to share my experience with the song through mapping it. I've already done an edit of this in Stepmania, so I used some of the same timing and note placement as I did there with several tweaks and fixes for quality assurance in Osu!Mania!

Thanks and I hope you enjoy this map!

Help received:
Timing: [ S a k u r a ], chikitani, DJPop, Starry- (x2), Blocko
Modding: DJPop, Draftnell, chikitani, sdglalon, Blocko, Eternalie, Jole (x2), Pharos21, Reikosaka, Harbyter, Steinstwo
Advice: iJinJin, gusto -_-, Starry-, Blocko
KDS: Pharos21, Reikosaka (x2)

Difficulties:

(OM) Autumn Dreams - Done (HS/Map) (This is an HD+ to MX difficulty map) 8 mods

Change Log:

12/19/14: Changed beat timing, combo placement, removed all hitsounds after 30 seconds into the song, added spinners, changed difficulty settings, changed stream placement, changed dot timing.

12/20/14: Started on the 4K E Osu!Mania! beatmap.

12/22/14: Finished 4K E Osu!Mania! beatmap.

12/27/14: Fixed timing with the help of [ S a k u r a], redid 4K E, scrapped Marathon difficulty.

12/30/14: 4K NM done.

1/1/15: Fixed 4K HD, finished 4K MX, added background, moved to Pending Beatmaps.

1/2/15: Fixed 4K NM.

1/3/15: Scrapped 4K MX, started redoing 4K HD, fixed timing issues with help from chikitani.

1/4/15: Redid 4K HD, updated 4K HD.

1/7/15: Temporarily scrapped 4K HD, done 5K HD, redid 4K HD as per 5K HD, redid parts of 4K NM.

1/9/15: Fixed parts of 4K and 5K HD.

1/12/15: Added 5K NM, redid parts of 4K NM, updated note placement on all difficulties.

1/17/15: Went back to just 4K NM and HD, changed timing to inherited timing, resnapped objects.

1/31/15: Removed 4K NM+, changed 4K HD to 4K Marathon, ready for modding, updated scroll speed based on advice from iJinJin.

2/2/15: Changed 4K Marathon to 4K Autumn Dreams, changed a LOT with this map based on Blocko's mod, changed kbps of MP3 to 192.

2/6/15: Reworked timing points with the help of Starry- and redid parts of the map.

2/7/15: Removed some LNs and reworked parts of the map again.

2/11/15: Tweaked Autumn Dreams per the mods I got.

2/12/15: Tweaking it more, updated hitsounding for entire map.

2/14/15: After much thought, I've decided that hitsounds for this map ruin the atmosphere of the map, so I removed all the hitsounds, readded some of the hitsounds, added in a few chords in strategic locations.

2/19/15: Changed things around, including another offset change and some SV changes. Ready for more modding!

2/20/15: Removed all clap hitsounds. Doesn't fit with the song.

2/21/15: Updated hitsound volume during Kiai segment, changed the offset for the final time.

2/24/15: Updated hitsound volume during Kiai segment, updated rest of the song per the mod received.

2/28/15: Reworked parts of the map as per Reiko's, Harbyter's, and Steinstwo's mods.

3/10/15: Reworked the ending, addressed some minor balancing issues, fixed the intro.

3/15/15: Hitsounded the map as much as I feel is necessary to hitsound.

3/22/15: Changed first SV to be in line with the start of the map, updated the hitsounding throughout the entire map. It now has hitsounding throughout the entire map, several minor changes.

8/07/15: Changed intro to make it less sudden jump into 4th notes.

10/03/15: Changed note placement towards the beginning and modified the hitsounding in the same area. Also reworked the part right after the first slow portion of the song. Even more changes during the second slow portion.

Last edited by Razorflamekun 2015-10-03T19:50:46+00:00, edited 84 times in total.

BerryJellyXD

BerryJellyXD 2014-12-19T01:05:17+00:00

Hello just a random modder from #modreqs here.
Sure is a nice song indeed, for sure one of my favorites now.

As you already implied the beatmap lacks a few things:
A background/wallpaper, video,
Spinners,
More then 1 break in a 5 minute map,
Sliders instead of jumps on some spots,
Combo cutting,
Hitsounds past 30 sec in the map,
Note beatsnap timing,
stack leniency and last up
Suprisingly more difficulty as the jumps and streams arent easy but they are just 3/3.5 star level and the map shows 4 star.

Now im not here to just say change that and this so ill give you a full detailed guide on how to improve all this.
So lets just start off with the most important thing.

SPOILER

Note beatsnap also known as the beat on wich the notes fall is decided on the grid snap and note snap.
Sounds complicated but its not, the beat is depending on the bpm (speed of the songs metronome)and changes in that.
So to make sure all works well we will do stack leniency first.

Stack leniency is a fancy word for how much can you place circles on top of eachother.
Seeing a stream like the one @ 05:03:414 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) -
you can clearly say they are on top of eachother.
So go to the edit screen, then song setup on the top then advanced tab and then the bar on the top wich says stack leniency should be slided all the way to the right.
Once you done that go to file save it and you should be all done with stack leniency.

Once you followed wat is in the colapsed text you can move on to the next thing wich is beat note snapping.

SPOILER

Beat note snapping is just a fancy word for getting the beat right.
And making sure the circles hit on the beat.
To do this you need to time the song first to get the bpm of the song.
wich you already got yourself. (So you can just skip this step and move str8 to placing the notes.)
Placing notes is fairly easy but remember that 2 or 3 notes also can be replaced by a slider iff they arent on the same spot.
this doesnt count for streams though as it makes them nearly impossible to hit.
Ever finding yourself with this 02:11:986 (1,1,1) - its a wide open space with just a few notes to cover it.
on top 02:14:986 (1,1,2,3,4,5,6) - is only 1 combo further till you get a break.
Wich makes this spot a perfect place to fit in a spinner.
(Spinners without notes at the end of them are easy and fun points to get, as players sometimes get more points then others depending on how fast they can draw circles.
This will also make sure that even iff people hit everything 100% that some players get more score and win in the process, as a so called tie breaker.)
Still confused on how to place notes then be sure to check out t/17785 for a whole list on how to place stuff in a way wich makes it more easy or harder depending wich mapping techniques you use.

Now that you have some properly timed notes it is time to explain the next thing wich is known as combo useage.(or also known as combo-cutting in the list.)

SPOILER

Combo's are just the colour of the notes or slider, but they are also so much more then that.
Combo's also grant hp at the end of each combo depending on how well a player did during that combo.
It also decides how much fruits in Catch The Beat are hold until they fall off.
Last up is in coop mode people all take turns to just complete 1 combo as they just tag the next combo to the next player.
So in general you want to avoid combo's that hit longer then 8 as they might kill people faster cause players to have longer turns,
Or even making Catch the Beat (CTB) just unclear to see iff you already caught a fruit or not.
In general Easy maps hold a combo count for 3/5 notes/sliders each
Normal maps 5/8 notes
Hard 8/11 (exception cos of streams)
Insane maps (wich this one is included in)also 8/11 notes
extreme/extra has 8/15 notes as some of these maps have streams crossing the whole screen.
it is also to not let the player think during the game as counting aiming with mouse and timing is already 3 things at once.
so useally the combo's and the numbers on them dont go that high.
streams like 00:53:129 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - in your song seem good at first sight.
But a quick conclusion leads to the fact that it could be 3 combo's with 2 of 4 and 1 of 6.
they are lined up in a straight line anyway so its not that people have to look for a new combo.
of course a long combo can be anoying, but 100x a combo of 1x can also be a pain.
for example 02:10:271 (1,1,1,1) - (yes these 4 again.)
These all have their own combo and as a result will not show a line between them like notes do on combo's.
Making these pop out random, now as they dont pop up fast its not a big problem but on approach rate 10 in wich you only have 0.2 seconds to react on them.
That is another story and you will be gratefull the line shows you where to go then.
of course im not going to make a whole list of each combo that can be cut short but iff you understand why they should be then you already are well on your way.

After learning how and more important why to combo cut, it is time to learn about breakes why and when to use them.

SPOILER

Same as long combo's having a lower difficulty in a high level map can leave players to drain their hp.
for example:02:10:271 (1,1,1,1) (yes these again.) clearly hitting these wont give as much hp as a stream because they are far and few from eachother.
but there were there is a part that could be draining (or just slowing down for that part) you can place in a break to make sure people can reposition their hands, resit, take a sip of drink, take a break from that long spinner or of course look at the ingame interface to see on their progress and how well they did. (Or scoreboard in multiplayer for tryhards.)
All these things make a break an important thing and especially in a marathon (song of 4 min+) its important to at least get the change to grab the mouse different.
(Example i was typing while game starts and i barely grab my mouse i can hit circles but its uncomfortable like crazy.
For these kind of things you dont expect to be like that for 4/12 minutes on some marathons till you get the 1st break.
Of Course the goal of a marathon is also to keep going that is why it is called like that clearly.
but keep in mind that for about each 1min and 30 sec a player is going to need a break for on the least 3/5 sec.
Last up before or right after a break are also ideal places to put a spinner because they can rest after or before the spinner.
This leaves you also with a window about when to place spinners and how to not make the note (circle) pattern to repetitive.

Of course people will still have trouble with the song because we arent all born 100% pro and for that we have hitsounds.

SPOILER

Hitsounds basicly are just flat anoying sounds that litterly sound when you hit the circle start of a slider on a slidertick (the small dots in the slider) end of a slider or end of a spinner.
Anoying as they are they do give feedback on the song, Meaning iff you hit to late or to early you will hear that it doesnt match the actual song.
Just that gives hitsounds the power to make or break a game, So think carefull wich note gets wich hitsound.
In general most sounds have the drum of the song on the white lines so consider using drum or claps on those while sliderticks generally use soft-wistle hitsounds wich sound like a soft tambourine.
As it pains me to say hitsounds are suppossed to be repetitive to give constand feedback to the player so he can already know the click pattern in advance.
even iff he still has no clue on where to note are going to appear.
This in general explains why hitsounds are important but not everyone has a keep sense for placing these so you also might ask a mod (including me.)
iff the hitsounds are ok.
Last up, you can actually change the soft-whitle or any other hitsound for custom ones.
simply press f6 for the timing panel and go audio on the top left of the timing window to get there.
in there is also this link t/729 to show you how you should name the custom files in the beatmap folder of the game.
in order to replace them you do need to change the default wich is on the left to custom/custom2/custom3 wich only indicate wich sound is used when.
Example:a timing set with custom 1 will use all custom sounds for that whole timing part till the next timing part says otherwise.
iff it lasts till the end of the song then you will just hear the custom sounds till the end when you click a note slider or spinner.

So now it should sound awsome but still shows that dull boring blue background.

SPOILER

So to get rid of the blue background just pick a picture you like (Or think you find fitting to the song.)
and just drag it in the editor.
However not everyone settles for a dull picture for 5/30 minutes long of marathon.
movie's can actually be made by other software like movie maker or even photoshop iff you are good enough.
Iff you dont know how to make those yourself you can always ask others, or just make a storyboard like everyone does.
Iff you wanna know how to make one there are plenty of guides on that even one on the osu site.

Once all that is done it is early enough to ask for a mod again to list out eventual other things.
Like ranking criteria, or are the jumps not to far away ect.

Iff you thought it was helpfull please just let me know.
Of course iff you need a mod again you can always ask me.
And i hope this cleared up wat you wanted to know.

Razorflamekun

162 posts

Joined October 2014

Topic Starter

Razorflamekun 2014-12-19T01:56:16+00:00

Thanks! It was very helpful indeed and I will be sure to take these into consideration when I re-edit this map tomorrow! Cheers!

Changed a lot of stuff as mentioned in the change log.

Birdy

5,739 posts

Joined April 2011

Birdy 2014-12-31T02:16:35+00:00

I can't really help with o!m stuff, but OMG SOUNDLIFT ON osu! FINALLY. <3

One of my old favourite artists, should start listening to again.

Razorflamekun

162 posts

Joined October 2014

Topic Starter

Razorflamekun 2014-12-31T02:32:24+00:00

Static Noise Bird wrote:
I can't really help with o!m stuff, but OMG SOUNDLIFT ON osu! FINALLY. <3

One of my old favourite artists, should start listening to again.

Yep, it's one of my favorite songs as well from this artist. I'll PM you with another request that I have for this beatmap shortly.

Last edited by Razorflamekun 2015-03-12T00:16:49+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

DJPop

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3,549 posts

Here since the beginning

DJPop 2015-01-01T17:48:16+00:00

This song needs only 1 red timing section, 140 BPM with offset -23.
If you want to change speed, use green timing instead (tick inherit previous timing settings).

A few mods (looking through HD diff):
00:42:405 (42405|3,42405|0) - these LNs don't fit to anything
00:55:905 (55905|3,55905|2,56227|1,56227|2) - weird rhythm, doesn't play along with either synth or drums
01:47:977 (107977|2,107977|1,108191|0,108191|2,108512|3,108512|2,108834|0,108834|2,109155|2,109155|3,109477|0,109477|2) - ^
02:17:997 (137997|2,138854|0,139711|2) - these notes don't fit to anything
02:34:282 - this room is not the good place to start with high amount of notes, this section is still relaxing
02:37:711 - not even get along the music, best fit is to use only single LN
02:41:140 - should use single tap note on each drum sound
02:44:568 - overmap with 1/16 notes
03:11:977 - and go on, doesn't fit with the song
...
06:49:698 (409698|3,409806|0,409913|1,410020|2,410234|1,410341|0,410448|1,410663|2,410770|3,410877|2,411091|1,411198|0) - compare to overall of this section, this room suddenly gets harder while the song has doesn't has any strong sounds (like drums)

Each note have its reason for existence (a note simulate a sound) in osu!mania, unlike StepMania.
You need to make sure it presents the feelings of the song through playing. And it still does even you play it with song muted/removed.

Razorflamekun

162 posts

Joined October 2014

Topic Starter

Razorflamekun 2015-01-02T00:33:58+00:00

DJPop wrote:
Denied Changes
Accepted and Fixed Changes

This song needs only 1 red timing section, 140 BPM with offset -23.
If you want to change speed, use green timing instead (tick inherit previous timing settings). I feel as though this song needs the actual time changes because if I change it to only a single 140BPM section and use green timing instead, the actual timing of the notes already placed don't fit any longer. Each of the timing changes are completely synced with each other and are absolutely correct.

A few mods (looking through HD diff):
00:42:405 (42405|3,42405|0) - these LNs don't fit to anything (partially accepted and fixed) I removed some of the notes to make it clearer of which notes belong to which sounds. The single notes on the white lines go with the drums and the two other notes go with the synth in the background.
00:55:905 (55905|3,55905|2,56227|1,56227|2) - weird rhythm, doesn't play along with either synth or drums The notes go with the synth in the background. Fairly easy to tell which notes go with which sounds.
01:47:977 (107977|2,107977|1,108191|0,108191|2,108512|3,108512|2,108834|0,108834|2,109155|2,109155|3,109477|0,109477|2) - ^ Changed the arrangement of these notes to make sense.
02:17:997 (137997|2,138854|0,139711|2) - these notes don't fit to anything Removed the notes.
02:34:282 - this room is not the good place to start with high amount of notes, this section is still relaxing Changed the arrangement to be more relaxing.
02:37:711 - not even get along the music, best fit is to use only single LN Changed to single tap notes.
02:41:140 - should use single tap note on each drum sound Changed to single tap notes.
02:44:568 - overmap with 1/16 notes These are an integral part of the song and they go with the very obvious patterns in the prominent part of the sounds.
03:11:977 - and go on, doesn't fit with the song Fixed to make sense with the sounds of the song.
...
06:49:698 (409698|3,409806|0,409913|1,410020|2,410234|1,410341|0,410448|1,410663|2,410770|3,410877|2,411091|1,411198|0) - compare to overall of this section, this room suddenly gets harder while the song has doesn't has any strong sounds (like drums) Changed to make sense with the sounds of the song.

Each note have its reason for existence (a note simulate a sound) in osu!mania, unlike StepMania.
You need to make sure it presents the feelings of the song through playing. And it still does even you play it with song muted/removed.

Draftnell

1,075 posts

Joined October 2013

Draftnell 2015-01-02T06:00:15+00:00

Hi Razor ^^
okey here my simple mod

NM

00:13:275 (13275|0,13275|3) - this is NM...so delete this ><
00:28:704 - add note
00:30:418 - ^
00:32:132 - ^
00:33:847 - ^
00:35:561 - ^
00:37:275 - ^
00:38:990 - ^
00:40:704 - ^
00:43:704 - add
00:45:418 - ^
00:47:132 - ^
00:54:847 (54847|3,54847|2) - still diff NM xD....so delete
01:08:561 (68561|3,68561|0) - ^
01:22:275 (82275|3,82275|0) - ^
02:34:925 (154925|0,154925|1,155568|2,155997|0,156640|2,156640|1,157282|0,158354|3,158354|2,158997|2) - what a sound ? delete ><
02:40:068 (160068|0,160068|3,160711|3,161782|0,161782|1,162425|3,162854|1,163497|0,163497|3) - ^
03:12:854 (192854|0,192854|3,193711|3,193711|1,194568|3,194568|0,196282|3,196282|2,197140|3,197140|1) - ? delete
03:19:711 (199711|2,199711|1,201425|3,201425|2,203140|1,203140|0,203997|1,203997|3,204854|3,204854|0,206568|3,206568|0,208282|1,208282|0) - ? Deletee because no heavy sound
04:07:656 - add note
04:09:371 - ^
04:14:513 - ^
04:16:228 - ^
04:17:942 - ^
04:18:799 - ^
04:19:656 - ^
04:21:371 - ^
04:23:085 - ^
04:28:228 - ^
04:29:942 - add
04:48:799 - ^
04:50:513 - ^
04:52:228 - ^
04:53:942 - ^
04:55:656 - ^
04:57:371 - ^
05:04:228 - add ><
05:05:942 (305942|1,306799|1) - ? Fix it please ^^
05:07:656 - add note
05:09:371 - ^
05:11:085 - ^
05:17:942 - ^
05:21:371 - ^
05:23:085 - ^
05:24:799 - ^
05:26:513 - ^
05:40:308 (340308|3,340308|2) - delete
06:10:270 (370270|3,370270|0) - delete
06:23:984 (383984|3,383984|0) - well xD delete ^^
06:37:698 (397698|3,397698|0) - ^
06:51:413 (411413|2,411413|3) - ^
07:05:127 (425127|2,425127|1) - ^

sorry i cant modd HD and MX
this map should can be marathon....try to check this map ( ctrl + shift + A )

Razorflamekun

162 posts

Joined October 2014

Topic Starter

Razorflamekun 2015-01-03T01:22:59+00:00

Draftnell wrote:
Hi Razor ^^
okey here my simple mod

Denied Changes
Accepted and fixed Changes

NM
00:13:275 (13275|0,13275|3) - this is NM...so delete this >< Changed to two note key combo.
00:28:704 - add note Added.
00:30:418 - ^ Added.
00:32:132 - ^ Added.
00:33:847 - ^ Added.
00:35:561 - ^ Added.
00:37:275 - ^ Added.
00:38:990 - ^ Added.
00:40:704 - ^ Added.
00:43:704 - add Added.
00:45:418 - ^ Added.
00:47:132 - ^ Added.
00:54:847 (54847|3,54847|2) - still diff NM xD....so delete Changed to three note key combo.
01:08:561 (68561|3,68561|0) - ^ Changed to three note key combo.
01:22:275 (82275|3,82275|0) - ^ Changed to three note key combo.
02:34:925 (154925|0,154925|1,155568|2,155997|0,156640|2,156640|1,157282|0,158354|3,158354|2,158997|2) - what a sound ? delete >< Deleted.
02:40:068 (160068|0,160068|3,160711|3,161782|0,161782|1,162425|3,162854|1,163497|0,163497|3) - ^ Sound it follows is the duh-duh duh-duh-duh in the background.
03:12:854 (192854|0,192854|3,193711|3,193711|1,194568|3,194568|0,196282|3,196282|2,197140|3,197140|1) - ? delete Removed.
03:19:711 (199711|2,199711|1,201425|3,201425|2,203140|1,203140|0,203997|1,203997|3,204854|3,204854|0,206568|3,206568|0,208282|1,208282|0) - ? Deletee because no heavy sound Changed to single tap notes.
04:07:656 - add note Added.
04:09:371 - ^ Added.
04:14:513 - ^ Added.
04:16:228 - ^ Added.
04:17:942 - ^ Added.
04:18:799 - ^ Added.
04:19:656 - ^ Added.
04:21:371 - ^ I purposely left some of these notes out to leave some contrast between the upcoming parts of the song so that there is some differentiation between the two sections.
04:23:085 - ^ I purposely left some of these notes out to leave some contrast between the upcoming parts of the song so that there is some differentiation between the two sections.
04:28:228 - ^ I purposely left some of these notes out to leave some contrast between the upcoming parts of the song so that there is some differentiation between the two sections.
04:29:942 - add I purposely left some of these notes out to leave some contrast between the upcoming parts of the song so that there is some differentiation between the two sections.
04:48:799 - ^ Added.
04:50:513 - ^ Added.
04:52:228 - ^ Added.
04:53:942 - ^ Added.
04:55:656 - ^ Added.
04:57:371 - ^ Added.
05:04:228 - add >< Added.
05:05:942 (305942|1,306799|1) - ? Fix it please ^^ Changed.
05:07:656 - add note Added.
05:09:371 - ^ Added.
05:11:085 - ^ Added.
05:17:942 - ^ Added.
05:21:371 - ^ Added.
05:23:085 - ^ Added.
05:24:799 - ^ Added.
05:26:513 - ^ Added.
05:40:308 (340308|3,340308|2) - delete It follows the piano sound in the background.
06:10:270 (370270|3,370270|0) - delete Changed to three note key combo.
06:23:984 (383984|3,383984|0) - well xD delete ^^ Changed to three note key combo.
06:37:698 (397698|3,397698|0) - ^ Changed to three note key combo.
06:51:413 (411413|2,411413|3) - ^ Changed to two note key combo.
07:05:127 (425127|2,425127|1) - ^Changed to three note key combo.

sorry i cant modd HD and MX
this map should can be marathon....try to check this map ( ctrl + shift + A )

I don't know how to mark this map as a marathon. I would if I knew how.

Draftnell

1,075 posts

Joined October 2013

Draftnell 2015-01-03T01:54:20+00:00

Razorflamekun wrote:
Draftnell wrote:
Hi Razor ^^
okey here my simple mod

Denied Changes
Accepted and fixed Changes

NM
00:13:275 (13275|0,13275|3) - this is NM...so delete this >< Changed to two note key combo.
00:28:704 - add note Added.
00:30:418 - ^ Added.
00:32:132 - ^ Added.
00:33:847 - ^ Added.
00:35:561 - ^ Added.
00:37:275 - ^ Added.
00:38:990 - ^ Added.
00:40:704 - ^ Added.
00:43:704 - add Added.
00:45:418 - ^ Added.
00:47:132 - ^ Added.
00:54:847 (54847|3,54847|2) - still diff NM xD....so delete Changed to three note key combo.
01:08:561 (68561|3,68561|0) - ^ Changed to three note key combo.
01:22:275 (82275|3,82275|0) - ^ Changed to three note key combo.
02:34:925 (154925|0,154925|1,155568|2,155997|0,156640|2,156640|1,157282|0,158354|3,158354|2,158997|2) - what a sound ? delete >< Deleted.
02:40:068 (160068|0,160068|3,160711|3,161782|0,161782|1,162425|3,162854|1,163497|0,163497|3) - ^ Sound it follows is the duh-duh duh-duh-duh in the background.
03:12:854 (192854|0,192854|3,193711|3,193711|1,194568|3,194568|0,196282|3,196282|2,197140|3,197140|1) - ? delete Removed.
03:19:711 (199711|2,199711|1,201425|3,201425|2,203140|1,203140|0,203997|1,203997|3,204854|3,204854|0,206568|3,206568|0,208282|1,208282|0) - ? Deletee because no heavy sound Changed to single tap notes.
04:07:656 - add note Added.
04:09:371 - ^ Added.
04:14:513 - ^ Added.
04:16:228 - ^ Added.
04:17:942 - ^ Added.
04:18:799 - ^ Added.
04:19:656 - ^ Added.
04:21:371 - ^ I purposely left some of these notes out to leave some contrast between the upcoming parts of the song so that there is some differentiation between the two sections.
04:23:085 - ^ I purposely left some of these notes out to leave some contrast between the upcoming parts of the song so that there is some differentiation between the two sections.
04:28:228 - ^ I purposely left some of these notes out to leave some contrast between the upcoming parts of the song so that there is some differentiation between the two sections.
04:29:942 - add I purposely left some of these notes out to leave some contrast between the upcoming parts of the song so that there is some differentiation between the two sections.
04:48:799 - ^ Added.
04:50:513 - ^ Added.
04:52:228 - ^ Added.
04:53:942 - ^ Added.
04:55:656 - ^ Added.
04:57:371 - ^ Added.
05:04:228 - add >< Added.
05:05:942 (305942|1,306799|1) - ? Fix it please ^^ Changed.
05:07:656 - add note Added.
05:09:371 - ^ Added.
05:11:085 - ^ Added.
05:17:942 - ^ Added.
05:21:371 - ^ Added.
05:23:085 - ^ Added.
05:24:799 - ^ Added.
05:26:513 - ^ Added.
05:40:308 (340308|3,340308|2) - delete It follows the piano sound in the background.
06:10:270 (370270|3,370270|0) - delete Changed to three note key combo.
06:23:984 (383984|3,383984|0) - well xD delete ^^ Changed to three note key combo.
06:37:698 (397698|3,397698|0) - ^ Changed to three note key combo.
06:51:413 (411413|2,411413|3) - ^ Changed to two note key combo.
07:05:127 (425127|2,425127|1) - ^Changed to three note key combo.

sorry i cant modd HD and MX
this map should can be marathon....try to check this map ( ctrl + shift + A )
I don't know how to mark this map as a marathon. I would if I knew how.

Well u can ask Spy about your map ><

chikitani

72 posts

Joined October 2011

chikitani 2015-01-04T15:53:55+00:00

mod by request.

4K
0 | 1 | 2 | 3

Reduce audio bitrate to reduce file size.

HD

Your notes seem very much randomly placed. Frankly,I can not mod the first half (and other parts) since I can't tell what you're attempting to map.
Throughout the song, your four note chords, don't ever really quite deserve four notes (but... mapper preference).

For the rest of the song, my very general notes are as follows:
1.) Re-map the entire thing. Or almost all of it.
2.) The strong beat is at the quarter note (white line), which is where the drum consistently plays throughout the song. This is where your chords should be.
3.) You don't need new timing points - the entire song can be easily mapped at 140 BPM, with inherited timing points at the current locations to reduce approach rate.

Delete LN's from beginning to 00:27:077. There's no background note to map the LN's to.

Delete two LN's 00:42:398 (42398|3,42720|0). Replace with LN starting at 00:44:541 (44541|0).

00:53:112 (53112|1) - Add note to 1

Delete LN's from 02:03:398 to 02:17:112.

LN's from 02:20:540 to 03:39:398 need to be moved up 143 ms (1/6 beat)

In the section from 02:37:683 to 03:39:398, you're adding all sorts of ghost notes to the song (wherever you map 1/16 notes).

All of a sudden at 06:51:403, the notes drop into nothing. Add notes here, the song isn't any weaker.

Razorflamekun

162 posts

Joined October 2014

Topic Starter

Razorflamekun 2015-01-04T16:53:24+00:00

chikitani wrote:
mod by request.

Denied Changes
Accepted and fixed Changes

4K
0 | 1 | 2 | 3

Reduce audio bitrate to reduce file size. Audio quality is paramount for this song, as there are a lot of subtle background noises that some of my notes are mapped to.
HD
Your notes seem very much randomly placed. Frankly,I can not mod the first half (and other parts) since I can't tell what you're attempting to map.
Throughout the song, your four note chords, don't ever really quite deserve four notes (but... mapper preference).

For the rest of the song, my very general notes are as follows:
1.) Re-map the entire thing. Or almost all of it. I don't see any reason to remap the entire song at this point in time.
2.) The strong beat is at the quarter note (white line), which is where the drum consistently plays throughout the song. This is where your chords should be.
3.) You don't need new timing points - the entire song can be easily mapped at 140 BPM, with inherited timing points at the current locations to reduce approach rate. As I stated in private messages to you, the current timing points are needed because there is noticeable slowdown that occurs as these points, which is why it HAS to change at each of these points.

Delete LN's from beginning to 00:27:077. There's no background note to map the LN's to. (Partially accepted and fixed) I've taken the liberty of reworking these notes into a much more simple note pattern here.

Delete two LN's 00:42:398 (42398|3,42720|0). Replace with LN starting at 00:44:541 (44541|0). (Partially accepted and fixed) Changed notes to a place where the background sound these are mapped to are more pronounced.

00:53:112 (53112|1) - Add note to 1 Added.

Delete LN's from 02:03:398 to 02:17:112. These notes follow background noise that go back and forth. It's very obvious where they are.

LN's from 02:20:540 to 03:39:398 need to be moved up 143 ms (1/6 beat)

In the section from 02:37:683 to 03:39:398, you're adding all sorts of ghost notes to the song (wherever you map 1/16 notes). These are not actually ghost notes, but part of the same background sound that starts with the tribal sound in the background as well as the other background sounds later on.

All of a sudden at 06:51:403, the notes drop into nothing. Add notes here, the song isn't any weaker. Notes added.

In terms of the movement of a lot of notes up 143ms from 2:20:540 to 3:39:398, why do you think I should do this? Is it because the timing is off? Thanks for the help!

Ikaros-

49 posts

Joined January 2013

Ikaros- 2015-01-10T03:07:59+00:00

in-game mod~

SPOILER

21:55 sdglalon: so look
21:55 sdglalon: this also counts
21:55 sdglalon: as a mod
21:55 Razorflamekun: ok
21:55 sdglalon: after we're done
21:55 sdglalon: u just do
21:55 sdglalon: -/savelog
21:55 sdglalon: no actually
21:55 sdglalon: ill do that
21:55 sdglalon: and then it'll count as a mod
21:56 Razorflamekun: ya
21:56 sdglalon: so
21:56 Razorflamekun: yep
21:56 Razorflamekun: kk
21:56 sdglalon: 00:27:398 -
21:56 sdglalon: why arent u mapping that?
21:56 Razorflamekun: which dif?
21:56 sdglalon: 4k hd
21:57 Razorflamekun: ah, I didn't map that because I thought it'd be a bit too difficult for people to do a chord into the two notes after it
21:58 sdglalon: its 4k HD
21:58 Razorflamekun: Same with all the other notes afterwords
21:58 Razorflamekun: kk
21:58 sdglalon: well its already 3 stars
21:58 sdglalon: but its a strong sound and it feels a little weird not mapping it
21:58 sdglalon: idk
21:59 Razorflamekun: nah, I'll add chords on the big claps in the background
21:59 Razorflamekun: and SLNs at the regular bumps
21:59 Razorflamekun: like the one you pointed out
21:59 sdglalon: 00:51:612 (51612|2) -
21:59 sdglalon: and here
21:59 sdglalon: i have no idea whats the meaning of this note
21:59 sdglalon: XD
22:00 Razorflamekun: The background synth
22:00 Razorflamekun: that goes da-da-da-da
22:00 sdglalon: ohh nvm
22:00 sdglalon: yeah yeah
22:00 Razorflamekun: Not prominent enough for a chord
22:02 sdglalon: wo u even have
22:02 sdglalon: sv's
22:02 sdglalon: lol nice
22:03 Razorflamekun: Yes, there is noticable slowdown at that point
22:05 sdglalon: yeah
22:05 sdglalon: u map is good
22:05 sdglalon: actually
22:05 sdglalon: i dont have the skill enough
22:05 sdglalon: to map it
22:05 sdglalon: i thought u'd make more mistakes
22:05 sdglalon: but that one at the beginning is the only one i can see for now
22:05 Razorflamekun: XD
22:05 Razorflamekun: ok

Razorflamekun

162 posts

Joined October 2014

Topic Starter

Razorflamekun 2015-01-10T04:03:55+00:00

Thanks for the mod sdglalon

EDIT: Timing changed to inherited timing for the entire map.

Ichigaki

1,767 posts

Joined February 2013

Ichigaki 2015-01-29T22:36:07+00:00

Well, you need at least a diff which have below 2 stars

Razorflamekun

162 posts

Joined October 2014

Topic Starter

Razorflamekun 2015-01-30T01:16:39+00:00

Ichigaki wrote:
Well, you need at least a diff which have below 2 stars

I think that 2.03 is pretty close to 2, so I don't think it should be that much of an issue. Furthermore, through modding, the star rating will probably decrease

Ayachi-

2,261 posts

Joined November 2013

Ayachi- 2015-01-30T04:17:55+00:00

~~There MUST be a diff below 2.0 stars unless it is a marathon map which this one is not~~
above 5 min, this is ok

Last edited by Ayachi- 2015-01-30T21:39:16+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Razorflamekun

162 posts

Joined October 2014

Topic Starter

Razorflamekun 2015-01-30T21:32:40+00:00

[ S a k u r a ] wrote:
There MUST be a diff below 2.0 stars unless it is a marathon map which this one is not

I was actually considering making this a marathon. I didn't know how to do it.

Blocko

osu! Alumni

751 posts

Joined February 2014

Blocko 2015-02-02T23:40:32+00:00

Yo, Razorflame!
Here's my mod as requested.

[General]
Tags: Add 'marathon' to tags as this song is over 5 minutes.
Kiai: Snap the Kiai timing point from 05:01:683 - .
Audio Bitrate: Audio bitrate is over 192kbps, which is an unrankable issue. Try to convert the audio bitrate to 192kbps with programs such as Audacity.
Timing and Offset: Use DJPop's suggestion about the offset here. Right now, they're a little offbeat if I'm hearing it right with the metronome ticks. Apply the mod first before applying the timing suggestion!

4K Column:
| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 |

[4K Autumn Dreams]

Be prepared. This has a lot of reading.

- Remove 4K from the difficulty name, as this map only has 1 keymode, so there's no need to indicate that.

Alright, now about the patterns...

The patterns here can become quite repetitive and boring for the player when a big chunk of the map is mostly a combination, but not separate portions, of LNs, streams and chords. That can't be helped because of how the song works, but try to creatively think of some interesting patterns that will add a lot of variety to the mapset.

Here are some suggestions increase the creativity in your map, or overall, make it better:
1. You can have constant 1/4 streams to some portions of the map to give a noticeable change of pace to the map. Add it in one of the parts where you think it fits best. For example, the Kiai is one of the most suitable places to put 1/4 streams in, as 1/4 jumpstream patterns such as this would give the player a lot more freedom to move their fingers around instead of having LNs combined with streams. It would also make the map as a whole a lot better if a wide variety of comfortable and fun patterns are used.
2. Because this is a 4K map, adding LNs into chords and streams is generally not preferred to do, as it leads into left and right-hand bias depending on the LN's position. This makes the playing experience to this map a bit uncomfortable and cramped. Instead, use LNs when there aren't much sounds to map to give it that relaxing feeling and atmosphere.
3. Try to avoid having dense patterns in the map, such as LNs and streams/chords combined. I also see some minijacks that were used in the map, which shouldn't be really used unless those jacks have a reason to be jacks. Even with the somewhat slow BPM, it ruins the relaxing and ambient concept of the song if those patterns are present.
4. Arrange the notes based on pitch relevancy, or at least try to. When you come across a situation where mapping them strictly based on pitch makes uncomfortable patterns, take playability in priority over it so the map is much more enjoyable.
5. Ask people around for testplays and see what they think of the map. If they suggested anything, think about their suggestions and see if they help the map.

Keep in mind that you can ignore some background noises to make the playing experience better for the player. Some notes and LNs don't have to be present to be enjoyable.

Okay, on to the actual mod.

00:17:541 (17541|3) - Move this note to 1 for hand balance

00:27:398 to 00:51:398 - The triplets here feel sort of off since at the end of those triplets, there's a mappable sound there.
I would suggest fully completing the triplets into one whole constant 1/4 stream, with a 2-note chord on every other white line for the clap, as this is one of the good portions of the song to have a constant 1/4 stream in. (kicks/claps on the white, red and blue for the stream)

00:43:255 (43255|0) - I'm not sure about this LN here. This doesn't have a sound or background noise to accent this.

00:53:112 to 00:54:827 - Rearrange this pattern based on pitch relevancy. The notes should go down like 4,3,2,1,4,3,2,1 and so on when they're mapped based on pitch.

00:54:827 (54827|1,54827|0,54827|3,54827|2) - A 4-note chord for the kick and crash itself is a bit much, considering that it's not that strong. Reduce them by 1 note to normalize the intensity.
Also, having a 3-note chord will complete the 1/4 stream after here, which would provide better pattern flow.

00:54:827 to 01:20:541 - I'm not sure what you're trying to follow here, as this portion seems to have a weird rhythm going in it.
Maybe try to map the most audible instrument here and the kick as well so the synth here is easy to follow.
Also, 3-note chords just for the kick alone is a bit much. Reduce their note count by 1 so they're emphasized correctly.

01:20:541 to 01:22:255 - Same suggestion about the pitch here. The pattern should be descending in pitch, like 4,3,2,1,4,3,2,1. Having them as reflecting stairs will feel weird for the player if they don't follow the pitch of the instrument.

01:22:255 (82255|2,82255|3,82255|1,82255|0) - Same suggestion about the 4-note chord here.

01:29:112 (89112|2,89327|0) - Move to 4,3 respectively to give a better flow

01:35:970 (95970|2,95970|1,95970|3,95970|0) - Same suggestion about the 4-chords

01:42:827 to 01:49:684 - Same suggestion as above, and another suggestion.
I don't think the LNs fit this part as we're not in the more calm section, which happens after 01:49:684 - . Even though you mapped them as background noise, they'll feel cramped based on playability when it has the kick and the other sound mapped in.

01:49:684 to 02:17:112 - The current patterns here might prove a bit intense even though the song is getting calmer and calmer.
Again, same suggestion as above with the note structure. You can also use it for this portion, but just without the kick on the white lines, and with the LN in the columns.

02:17:112 to 02:41:112 - Reduce the volume of the notes here since we're in the calmest parts of the song. Also, rearrange the LNs here to match the pitch relevancy.

02:41:112 - Add a note for the sound heard here.

02:41:112 to 02:44:541 - There are a LOT of ghost notes here that don't really have a reason or sound to be there. I highly recommend removing them. I pointed them out below for convenience:
02:41:327 (161327|2,161434|3,161541|1,161755|1,161970|3,161970|2,162291|3,162612|2,162827|1,163041|3,163148|2,163255|1,163470|3,163684|2,163684|1,164005|2,164327|1) -

02:44:541 to 03:11:970 - 2-note chords for the drum alone is too much when they're sort of quiet, especially when we're still in the relaxing part. I highly recommend removing 1 note on each of the 2-note chords.
The triplets here don't really fit the calm section here. As present as they are, they might be too intense for this moment.
Also, there are a lot of ghost notes for this portion. If the notes don't have a reason to be there, they should be removed.

02:55:684 (175684|1,175684|0,175684|3) - This particular 3-note chord is too much for one single piano note. Again, highly recommend to remove 2 of them.

03:11:970 - Add a note here to accent the transition.

03:11:970 to 03:39:398 - I don't think mapping 1/4 triplets for this whole portion suit the sounds in the music as to when they are heard. Try listening to this part in 25% playback and map the notes based on audibility.

03:39:398 to 03:42:827 - I suggest mapping the kicks here as 2-note chords and every other red line to contain just one note. This is to accentuate the kicks here better.

03:46:255 to 03:49:684 - Same suggestion as above

04:03:398 (243398|2) - Highly suggested to remove this LN as it gives out right-hand bias, which can be a bit uncomfortable.
If you applied the suggestion above, spread the patterns around so the 3rd column is used more.

04:06:827 to 05:01:684 - For this one, well, it'll feel like I'll suggest what I already suggested about the patterns. See if my suggestions work to make the map itself better.

04:59:970 (299970|3,299970|0,299970|1) - 3-note chord is too much to emphasize for a single piano note. Reduce to one note.

05:01:684 to 05:29:112 - As I suggested before, this portion is a suitable place to put 1/4 streams in, as 1/4 jumpstream patterns such as this would give the player a lot more freedom to move their fingers around. It would make the map a lot better if the LNs were removed so the playability for this part doesn't feel cramped, but that's up to you to decide.

05:06:505 (306505|2,306559|1,306612|0,306666|1,306720|2,306773|3) - The 1/6 stream here will catch some players off guard, as technically mapped as they be. Better to use an LN for the bagpipe instead to keep the feeling going.
If you still want to keep that, consider using a 1/4 stream instead to give it a good flow.

05:29:112 to 05:54:827 - This particular section should be calmer than the previous section (kiai) to make it feel like the notes are with the music. Reduce some notes here to make it more fitting.

05:34:041 (334041|3,334095|1,334148|2,334202|3) - Notes should be in 1/4, but they're snapped in 1/8, which sort of ruins the ambient feeling to this portion.

05:40:255 (340255|0,340255|1,340255|2) - Again, using 3-note chords for a single piano note is not good in intensity. Reduce to 1 note since it's one piano note after all.

05:54:827 to 05:59:970 - This section feels cramped, and the LNs on the 1st and 4th columns drown out the impact that's transitioning to the ending.
Also, on 05:56:541 - this is a good place to have a 4-note chord to accentuate the transition to the ending, but it's not as impactful because the LNs are there.
I would highly suggest at least reducing the LNs' length to give more movement freedom to the next part, and to make the 4-note chord possible to map.

06:05:541 (365541|2) - Move to 4 for less repetition on the 3rd column.

06:12:827 (372827|1) - Move to 3 to have a 2-note chord close patterning to go on briefly

06:18:398 (378398|0) - Move to 2 for pattern flow

06:22:041 (382041|3) - Move to 1, same reason as above

06:22:470 (382470|1,382470|0,382898|3,382898|2,383327|0,383327|1,383755|3,383755|2) - 2-note chords might be a bit much if you're following a single instrument here. Reduce to singles?

06:23:970 to 06:49:684 - Just a consistency suggestion, but you could fill in the rest of the empty red lines with 1 note for consistency, as well as having the kicks as 2-note chords.

06:37:684 (397684|1,397684|0,397684|3,397684|2) - Same suggestion about the 4-chords. If taking technicality into account, they should only be 3 to accent the kick and crash itself

06:49:898 (409898|1,409898|2,410327|0,410327|3,410755|2,410755|1,411184|0,411184|1) - Same suggestion about the 2-note chords

06:51:398 (411398|1,411398|0,411398|3,411398|2) - Same suggestion about the 4-chords. Here too 07:05:112 (425112|3,425112|0,425112|1,425112|2) -

07:17:327 (437327|0,437327|1,437755|3,437755|1,438184|1,438184|0,438612|3,438612|1) - Same suggestion about the 2-note chords, again. The sounds here are drowned out and quiet, and 1 note should be enough to express those sounds well.

And last but not the least...

You are the best modder to your own mapset. With enough self-mods and suggestions from other people, I believe that this map could become a lot better.

This song is pretty relaxing.
I hope my suggestions helped the map! Good luck on approval.

Razorflamekun

162 posts

Joined October 2014

Topic Starter

Razorflamekun 2015-02-03T01:36:27+00:00

Blocko wrote:
Yo, Razorflame!
Here's my mod as requested.

Accepted and fixed changes
Denied changes

[General]
Tags: Add 'marathon' to tags as this song is over 5 minutes. Added
Kiai: Snap the Kiai timing point from 05:01:683 - . Fixed.
Audio Bitrate: Audio bitrate is over 192kbps, which is an unrankable issue. Try to convert the audio bitrate to 192kbps with programs such as Audacity. Changed to 192kbps.
Timing and Offset: Use DJPop's suggestion about the offset here. Right now, they're a little offbeat if I'm hearing it right with the metronome ticks. Apply the mod first before applying the timing suggestion!
Done
4K Column:
| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 |
[4K Autumn Dreams]
Be prepared. This has a lot of reading.
- Remove 4K from the difficulty name, as this map only has 1 keymode, so there's no need to indicate that. Done

Alright, now about the patterns...

The patterns here can become quite repetitive and boring for the player when a big chunk of the map is mostly a combination, but not separate portions, of LNs, streams and chords. That can't be helped because of how the song works, but try to creatively think of some interesting patterns that will add a lot of variety to the mapset.

Here are some suggestions increase the creativity in your map, or overall, make it better:
1. You can have constant 1/4 streams to some portions of the map to give a noticeable change of pace to the map. Add it in one of the parts where you think it fits best. For example, the Kiai is one of the most suitable places to put 1/4 streams in, as 1/4 jumpstream patterns such as this would give the player a lot more freedom to move their fingers around instead of having LNs combined with streams. It would also make the map as a whole a lot better if a wide variety of comfortable and fun patterns are used.
2. Because this is a 4K map, adding LNs into chords and streams is generally not preferred to do, as it leads into left and right-hand bias depending on the LN's position. This makes the playing experience to this map a bit uncomfortable and cramped. Instead, use LNs when there aren't much sounds to map to give it that relaxing feeling and atmosphere.
3. Try to avoid having dense patterns in the map, such as LNs and streams/chords combined. I also see some minijacks that were used in the map, which shouldn't be really used unless those jacks have a reason to be jacks. Even with the somewhat slow BPM, it ruins the relaxing and ambient concept of the song if those patterns are present.
4. Arrange the notes based on pitch relevancy, or at least try to. When you come across a situation where mapping them strictly based on pitch makes uncomfortable patterns, take playability in priority over it so the map is much more enjoyable.
5. Ask people around for testplays and see what they think of the map. If they suggested anything, think about their suggestions and see if they help the map.

Keep in mind that you can ignore some background noises to make the playing experience better for the player. Some notes and LNs don't have to be present to be enjoyable.

Okay, on to the actual mod.

00:17:541 (17541|3) - Move this note to 1 for hand balance Already fixed in a previous update.

00:27:398 to 00:51:398 - The triplets here feel sort of off since at the end of those triplets, there's a mappable sound there.
I would suggest fully completing the triplets into one whole constant 1/4 stream, with a 2-note chord on every other white line for the clap, as this is one of the good portions of the song to have a constant 1/4 stream in. (kicks/claps on the white, red and blue for the stream) (partially fixed) Changed the first few seconds to a different pattern, then after some time, started the 1/4th note stream, which ends at the LN mentioned in the next mod.

00:43:255 (43255|0) - I'm not sure about this LN here. This doesn't have a sound or background noise to accent this. Goes with the osft synth sound in the background.

00:53:112 to 00:54:827 - Rearrange this pattern based on pitch relevancy. The notes should go down like 4,3,2,1,4,3,2,1 and so on when they're mapped based on pitch. Done

00:54:827 (54827|1,54827|0,54827|3,54827|2) - A 4-note chord for the kick and crash itself is a bit much, considering that it's not that strong. Reduce them by 1 note to normalize the intensity.
Also, having a 3-note chord will complete the 1/4 stream after here, which would provide better pattern flow. Done

00:54:827 to 01:20:541 - I'm not sure what you're trying to follow here, as this portion seems to have a weird rhythm going in it.
Maybe try to map the most audible instrument here and the kick as well so the synth here is easy to follow. These notes actually follow the synth
Also, 3-note chords just for the kick alone is a bit much. Reduce their note count by 1 so they're emphasized correctly. Fixed

01:20:541 to 01:22:255 - Same suggestion about the pitch here. The pattern should be descending in pitch, like 4,3,2,1,4,3,2,1. Having them as reflecting stairs will feel weird for the player if they don't follow the pitch of the instrument. Fixed, but switched the stairs around from the previous mod suggestion.

01:22:255 (82255|2,82255|3,82255|1,82255|0) - Same suggestion about the 4-note chord here. Fixed.

01:29:112 (89112|2,89327|0) - Move to 4,3 respectively to give a better flow Fixed.

01:35:970 (95970|2,95970|1,95970|3,95970|0) - Same suggestion about the 4-chords Fixed.

01:42:827 to 01:49:684 - Same suggestion as above, and another suggestion.
I don't think the LNs fit this part as we're not in the more calm section, which happens after 01:49:684 - . Even though you mapped them as background noise, they'll feel cramped based on playability when it has the kick and the other sound mapped in. Removed.

01:49:684 to 02:17:112 - The current patterns here might prove a bit intense even though the song is getting calmer and calmer.
Again, same suggestion as above with the note structure. You can also use it for this portion, but just without the kick on the white lines, and with the LN in the columns. Simplified and graduated the note structure down as the music calms.

02:17:112 to 02:41:112 - Reduce the volume of the notes here since we're in the calmest parts of the song. Also, rearrange the LNs here to match the pitch relevancy. Done to the best of my ability.

02:41:112 - Add a note for the sound heard here. Done.

02:41:112 to 02:44:541 - There are a LOT of ghost notes here that don't really have a reason or sound to be there. I highly recommend removing them. I pointed them out below for convenience:
02:41:327 (161327|2,161434|3,161541|1,161755|1,161970|3,161970|2,162291|3,162612|2,162827|1,163041|3,163148|2,163255|1,163470|3,163684|2,163684|1,164005|2,164327|1) - Changed the notes here to the map just based on sounds heard.

02:44:541 to 03:11:970 - 2-note chords for the drum alone is too much when they're sort of quiet, especially when we're still in the relaxing part. I highly recommend removing 1 note on each of the 2-note chords. Completely remapped this entire portion.
The triplets here don't really fit the calm section here. As present as they are, they might be too intense for this moment. Completely remapped this entire portion.
Also, there are a lot of ghost notes for this portion. If the notes don't have a reason to be there, they should be removed. Completely remapped this entire portion.

02:55:684 (175684|1,175684|0,175684|3) - This particular 3-note chord is too much for one single piano note. Again, highly recommend to remove 2 of them. Changed.

03:11:970 - Add a note here to accent the transition. Done

03:11:970 to 03:39:398 - I don't think mapping 1/4 triplets for this whole portion suit the sounds in the music as to when they are heard. Try listening to this part in 25% playback and map the notes based on audibility. Remapped.

03:39:398 to 03:42:827 - I suggest mapping the kicks here as 2-note chords and every other red line to contain just one note. This is to accentuate the kicks here better. Accentuated with clap hitsound.

03:46:255 to 03:49:684 - Same suggestion as above Accentuated with clap hitsound.

04:03:398 (243398|2) - Highly suggested to remove this LN as it gives out right-hand bias, which can be a bit uncomfortable.
If you applied the suggestion above, spread the patterns around so the 3rd column is used more. (partially) Moved LN to Column 4. Changed the patterns of the 1/4th stream to a simple stair based on pitch.

04:06:827 to 05:01:684 - For this one, well, it'll feel like I'll suggest what I already suggested about the patterns. See if my suggestions work to make the map itself better. Remapped.

04:59:970 (299970|3,299970|0,299970|1) - 3-note chord is too much to emphasize for a single piano note. Reduce to one note. Reduced.

05:01:684 to 05:29:112 - As I suggested before, this portion is a suitable place to put 1/4 streams in, as 1/4 jumpstream patterns such as this would give the player a lot more freedom to move their fingers around. It would make the map a lot better if the LNs were removed so the playability for this part doesn't feel cramped, but that's up to you to decide. (partial) LNs have to stay as it is clear that they are supposed to be there, but if more people suggest I remove them, I will remove them and save the version with them as an alternate download for players to choose to download if they wish in the description of the map. Made entire section 1/4th stream with jumps at every other white line.

05:06:505 (306505|2,306559|1,306612|0,306666|1,306720|2,306773|3) - The 1/6 stream here will catch some players off guard, as technically mapped as they be. Better to use an LN for the bagpipe instead to keep the feeling going.
If you still want to keep that, consider using a 1/4 stream instead to give it a good flow. Read above.

05:29:112 to 05:54:827 - This particular section should be calmer than the previous section (kiai) to make it feel like the notes are with the music. Reduce some notes here to make it more fitting. Reduced note density.

05:34:041 (334041|3,334095|1,334148|2,334202|3) - Notes should be in 1/4, but they're snapped in 1/8, which sort of ruins the ambient feeling to this portion. Changed to LN.

05:40:255 (340255|0,340255|1,340255|2) - Again, using 3-note chords for a single piano note is not good in intensity. Reduce to 1 note since it's one piano note after all. Changed.

05:54:827 to 05:59:970 - This section feels cramped, and the LNs on the 1st and 4th columns drown out the impact that's transitioning to the ending.
Also, on 05:56:541 - this is a good place to have a 4-note chord to accentuate the transition to the ending, but it's not as impactful because the LNs are there.
I would highly suggest at least reducing the LNs' length to give more movement freedom to the next part, and to make the 4-note chord possible to map.
Reduced length of LN, accentuated transition with 4 note chord.

06:05:541 (365541|2) - Move to 4 for less repetition on the 3rd column. Done

06:12:827 (372827|1) - Move to 3 to have a 2-note chord close patterning to go on briefly Done

06:18:398 (378398|0) - Move to 2 for pattern flow Done

06:22:041 (382041|3) - Move to 1, same reason as above Done

06:22:470 (382470|1,382470|0,382898|3,382898|2,383327|0,383327|1,383755|3,383755|2) - 2-note chords might be a bit much if you're following a single instrument here. Reduce to singles? Done

06:23:970 to 06:49:684 - Just a consistency suggestion, but you could fill in the rest of the empty red lines with 1 note for consistency, as well as having the kicks as 2-note chords.

06:37:684 (397684|1,397684|0,397684|3,397684|2) - Same suggestion about the 4-chords. If taking technicality into account, they should only be 3 to accent the kick and crash itself Done

06:49:898 (409898|1,409898|2,410327|0,410327|3,410755|2,410755|1,411184|0,411184|1) - Same suggestion about the 2-note chords Done

06:51:398 (411398|1,411398|0,411398|3,411398|2) - Same suggestion about the 4-chords. Here too 07:05:112 (425112|3,425112|0,425112|1,425112|2) - Done

07:17:327 (437327|0,437327|1,437755|3,437755|1,438184|1,438184|0,438612|3,438612|1) - Same suggestion about the 2-note chords, again. The sounds here are drowned out and quiet, and 1 note should be enough to express those sounds well. Done

And last but not the least...

You are the best modder to your own mapset. With enough self-mods and suggestions from other people, I believe that this map could become a lot better.

This song is pretty relaxing.
I hope my suggestions helped the map! Good luck on approval.

Fubukicat

970 posts

Joined February 2012

Fubukicat 2015-02-11T08:51:38+00:00

Hi There here's my mod as requested~

Hope it will help ^^b

Collumn = 1/2/3/4

Full Mode Inside

Done~ Good Luck , Have a nice day ~ ^^/

Jole

233 posts

Joined June 2013

Jole 2015-02-11T14:42:30+00:00

Column format:

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Autumn Dreams

[General]
I get what you're trying to achieve with the sv changes overall, but the slow start and fast end doesn't really seem to benefit the map in terms of quality. I'd at least suggest making the sv changes at the start and end less apparent (Not as low as x0.60 at the beginning for example) so the start isn't slowjam and the ending sv doesn't interfere with reading.

[Notes]
There are a few things that I don't quite agree with throughout the map, but I don't know what those things should be replaced with. That is, however, only for most of them. There's one part I think needs a bit of tweaking;

03:39:894 (219894|0,219894|3) -
03:40:751 (220751|1,220751|0) -
03:41:608 (221608|3,221608|0) -
03:42:465 (222465|3,222465|2) -

03:46:751 (226751|1,226751|0) -
03:47:608 (227608|3,227608|2) -
03:48:465 (228465|3,228465|1) -
03:49:322 (229322|2,229322|1) -
These clap hits would stand out more and seem more fitting if you think about this section's pattern as a whole if you changed them to have 3 notes instead of 2. Right now they seem kind of dull and non-existent. As for the clap hits during the section with the LN (03:42:894 (222894|2) - this kind), they're fine because the rest of the section isn't identical to the clap hits

And of course this change also applies from 03:53:608 (233608|3,233608|0) - to 04:03:037 (243037|1,243037|0) -

It's not much, but this is all I can do at the moment. I'd have a deeper look into the sections I didn't know how to replace if I had the time, but sadly I do not. Maybe I'll do a future mod for this again

Razorflamekun

162 posts

Joined October 2014

Topic Starter

Razorflamekun 2015-02-12T02:52:28+00:00

Eternalie wrote:
Hi There here's my mod as requested~

Hope it will help ^^b

Collumn = 1/2/3/4

Accepted and fixed changes
Denied changes

Full Mode Inside
[Autumn Dreams]
00:31:322 (31322|2,31322|0) - add one more note ( here you use ( 2,1,3,1,2,1,3) << number of notes Fixed.
00:48:358 (48358|0) - add note Added
00:48:787 (48787|1) - ^ add Added
01:35:287 (95287|1) - add note Seems to make sense. Will take a closer look at this section to see if anything else needs changing.
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01:35:501 (95501|2) - move to : 01:35:608 (95608|2) - on 1 collumn Renapped this section.
01:35:715 (95715|1) - move to : 01:35:822 (95822|2) - Renapped this section.
01:35:822 (95822|2) - move to 01:36:037 (96037|1) - like This Renapped this section.
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01:42:465 (102465|2) - add note Renapped this section.
01:42:572 (102572|0,102679|3) - move to 01:42:679 (102679|0,102787|3) - ( so the first note is on redline the other one is on blue line ) Renapped this section.
01:49:001 (109001|2) - move to 01:49:108 (109108|2) - , or add to 01:49:108 (109108|2) - Renapped this section.
01:49:644 (109644|1) - add noteRenapped this section.
02:49:322 (169322|3) - add one more note This note was purposefully left out because this is a calm section of the song and because of the upcoming 1/8th burst.
02:52:751 (172751|0) - add one more note Done.
02:55:751 (175751|1,175751|0) - remove one of the two notes This purple text signifies that I'm torn between whether to fix this and whether to deny this change. I can understand why it should be removed because it's only a single piano note, but on the other side, it's also there to provide emphasis. If another person who mods this recommends I remove this note, I will.
02:55:537 (175537|3) - add one more Added.
02:56:179 (176179|3) - ^ same Calm section of the song, and the sound that this note is attached to isn't strong enough to warrant a chord.
03:03:037 (183037|3) - ^ add one color=#FF0000]Calm section of the song, and the sound that this note is attached to isn't strong enough to warrant a chord.[/color]
03:41:179 (221179|2,221179|3,221179|0) - remove one of them (you only need 2 notes ) Removed.
03:48:037 (228037|0,228037|3,228037|1) - ^ same Removed.
03:58:322 (238322|0,238322|1,238322|2) - add one you use the number of notes ( 2x8 them one time 3 notes ) it's fun imo I decided to remove all the three note chords and change them to two note chords, so this change isn't needed any longer.
04:03:465 (243465|0) - add to 1 Sound isn't strong enough to warrant a chord here, plus it goes into the 1/4th note stream, which I wanted to make a bit easier in the transition for the player.
04:11:501 (251501|0) - add note Added.
04:12:358 (252358|3) - add note to 4 Added.
04:13:215 (253215|0) - add Added.
04:30:894 (270894|1) - add to 4 Sound isn't strong enough to warrant a chord here, plus it goes into the 1/4th note stream, which I wanted to make a bit easier in the transition for the player.
06:01:322 (361322|2,361322|1,361322|3) - you don't need 3 notes here ( remove one of them ? ) Yep, forgot to remove that when I was editing it previously.

That's all ,

Done~ Good Luck , Have a nice day ~ ^^/

Thanks for the mod!

Jole wrote:
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| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 |

Accepted and fixed changes
Denied changes

Autumn Dreams
[General]
I get what you're trying to achieve with the sv changes overall, but the slow start and fast end doesn't really seem to benefit the map in terms of quality. I'd at least suggest making the sv changes at the start and end less apparent (Not as low as x0.60 at the beginning for example) so the start isn't slowjam and the ending sv doesn't interfere with reading. Changed some of the beginning timing points to start the map at 0.80x and added some timing points at the end to reduce the volume and speed to 0.80x by the last LN.

[Notes]
There are a few things that I don't quite agree with throughout the map, but I don't know what those things should be replaced with. That is, however, only for most of them. There's one part I think needs a bit of tweaking;

03:39:894 (219894|0,219894|3) -
03:40:751 (220751|1,220751|0) -
03:41:608 (221608|3,221608|0) -
03:42:465 (222465|3,222465|2) -

03:46:751 (226751|1,226751|0) -
03:47:608 (227608|3,227608|2) -
03:48:465 (228465|3,228465|1) -
03:49:322 (229322|2,229322|1) -
These clap hits would stand out more and seem more fitting if you think about this section's pattern as a whole if you changed them to have 3 notes instead of 2. Right now they seem kind of dull and non-existent. As for the clap hits during the section with the LN (03:42:894 (222894|2) - this kind), they're fine because the rest of the section isn't identical to the clap hits These originally were three note chords without the clap hitsound because they had enough emphasis on their own, but I'm fine with returning them to three notes with the clap hitsound.

And of course this change also applies from 03:53:608 (233608|3,233608|0) - to 04:03:037 (243037|1,243037|0) -

It's not much, but this is all I can do at the moment. I'd have a deeper look into the sections I didn't know how to replace if I had the time, but sadly I do not. Maybe I'll do a future mod for this again

That's fine and thanks for the mod!

Steins

308 posts

Joined December 2013

Steins 2015-02-14T17:52:37+00:00

i think u can add more stairs and noodles, so i'll send you my mods after.

Jole

233 posts

Joined June 2013

Jole 2015-02-21T12:37:55+00:00

Just passing by again

Column format: | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 |

[General]

Timing

I found that the offset was quite a bit off in the map. The right offset I found was 33 but you can get that double checked because my timing isn't 100% accurate. I know it will be annoying to apply the offset to the sv changes but it has to be done if they aren't timed correctly

[Autumn Dreams]

Notes

00:56:604 (56604|3,56604|0,56818|1,56925|3,57033|1,57033|0) -
00:55:104 (55104|1) -
00:55:211 (55211|2) -
00:55:318 (55318|0,55318|1) -
This pattern doesn't really seem to fit the song since you can hear a 5-note pattern in it, not 1 -break- and then 3. In some places this fix will need a change in the pattern like here 00:55:318 (55318|0,55318|1) - where it would create a minijack in | 3 |. You could just place a note in | 3 | here 01:08:711 (68711|2) - and move 01:08:818 (68818|2) - | 3 | to | 1 | or | 4 |.
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00:56:015 (56015|2,56015|1) - Moving all these hits from a blue 1/16 tick to a blue 1/4 tick seems to fit the timing more (Moving it to here 00:56:068 (56068|1,56068|2) - )
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Also the hit right after ( 00:56:390 (56390|3,56390|2) - ) should be moved one tick forward(Red 1/4 tick). It may have been the offset that caused this mistiming

Of course all of the above should be applied throughout the whole map as these "mistakes" pop up many times
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01:27:461 (87461|0) - This section seems a bit weird.. It feels like a break from the main pattern and a quick focus on a more subtle sound but I can't figure out what it's mapped to. Same here 01:34:533 (94533|3) - . And here 01:41:175 (101175|3) - . You get the point

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This 02:17:175 (137175|1) - note end and this 02:20:658 (140658|2) - note start isn't placed at the same timing tick. Change the end of the first LN and start of the 2nd one to 02:20:711 (140711|2) - .

02:24:086 (144086|0) - Move end to blue 1/4 tick

Move all these to blue 1/4 tick
02:25:800 (145800|1) -
02:27:568 (147568|2) -
02:30:997 (150997|0) -
02:32:711 (152711|3) -
02:34:425 (154425|2) -
02:37:854 (157854|0) -
02:39:568 (159568|1) -
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-Jolo

Razorflamekun

162 posts

Joined October 2014

Topic Starter

Razorflamekun 2015-02-22T01:47:57+00:00

Jole wrote:
Just passing by again

Column format: | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 |

Accepted and fixed changes
Partially accepted and fixed changes
Denied changes

[General]
Timing
I found that the offset was quite a bit off in the map. The right offset I found was 33 but you can get that double checked because my timing isn't 100% accurate. I know it will be annoying to apply the offset to the sv changes but it has to be done if they aren't timed correctly I've been over this with at least five different people and everyone is suggesting that I change the offset from one to another. So far: Starry- 37, DjPop - -23, You @ 33, Blocko @ -23. I don't really know what to do about this any longer as everyone seems to have a different opinion with the offset. I guess the only thing that I can do is to get more people's opinion as to what the actual offset is as I'm not going to change the offset any longer until the correct offset is found and it is the most popular opinion.

[Autumn Dreams]
Notes
00:56:604 (56604|3,56604|0,56818|1,56925|3,57033|1,57033|0) -
00:55:104 (55104|1) -
00:55:211 (55211|2) -
00:55:318 (55318|0,55318|1) -
This pattern doesn't really seem to fit the song since you can hear a 5-note pattern in it, not 1 -break- and then 3. In some places this fix will need a change in the pattern like here 00:55:318 (55318|0,55318|1) - where it would create a minijack in | 3 |. You could just place a note in | 3 | here 01:08:711 (68711|2) - and move 01:08:818 (68818|2) - | 3 | to | 1 | or | 4 |. Ok, I can see what you are saying, even though the timestamps are off. Basically, you're saying that the three note chord after the stair should have another note following it and into the three note ending with the two note chord. Yeah, I can hear where another note can be placed. I can add these notes.
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00:56:015 (56015|2,56015|1) - Moving all these hits from a blue 1/16 tick to a blue 1/4 tick seems to fit the timing more (Moving it to here 00:56:068 (56068|1,56068|2) - ) Actually, those are placed using 1/8 ticks and I've tested the timing of these notes a lot of times and this is the best fit to the timing that I've been able to find.
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Also the hit right after ( 00:56:390 (56390|3,56390|2) - ) should be moved one tick forward(Red 1/4 tick). It may have been the offset that caused this mistiming That is where they were originally, but the timing was off when they were there (in terms of the timing of hitting the notes, and after I fixed the offset several times and found the one that fit the song the most, I changed it to this timing as part of the large amount of timing tests I did with these notes.

Of course all of the above should be applied throughout the whole map as these "mistakes" pop up many times
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01:27:461 (87461|0) - This section seems a bit weird.. It feels like a break from the main pattern and a quick focus on a more subtle sound but I can't figure out what it's mapped to. Same here 01:34:533 (94533|3) - . And here 01:41:175 (101175|3) - . You get the point The sounds that these notes follow are indeed very, very subtle, but I feel that it is important to map the map this way because there really is no other way to still follow the flow and atmosphere of the song. Rest assured, the sounds that these notes are mapped to exist.

One partial fix that I applied is I removed the first segment because the sounds were a bit too subtle to follow.
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This 02:17:175 (137175|1) - note end and this 02:20:658 (140658|2) - note start isn't placed at the same timing tick. Change the end of the first LN and start of the 2nd one to 02:20:711 (140711|2) - . Actually, the reason for this is because the start of the sound that these follow doesn't start until the 1/6th beat. This was confirmed by chikitani and I've confirmed it with lots of timing testing.

02:24:086 (144086|0) - Move end to blue 1/4 tick Actually, the reason for this is because the start of the sound that these follow doesn't start until the 1/6th beat. This was confirmed by chikitani and I've confirmed it with lots of timing testing.

Move all these to blue 1/4 tick
02:25:800 (145800|1) -
02:27:568 (147568|2) -
02:30:997 (150997|0) -
02:32:711 (152711|3) -
02:34:425 (154425|2) -
02:37:854 (157854|0) -
02:39:568 (159568|1) -

Actually, the reason for this is because the start of the sound that these follow doesn't start until the 1/6th beat. This was confirmed by chikitani and I've confirmed it with lots of timing testing.
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-Jolo

Thanks for the mod! I've applied some of the changes you've suggested!

Aste-

2,387 posts

Joined September 2014

Aste- 2015-02-25T02:44:38+00:00

ahh sorry.. i forgot about your req in my Queue >.< Soo Sorry..

Here *

PLease Forgive me orz

~~ill mod it as soon as posible (away atm~~

OK MOD here

[General]

Widescreen Support = Turn it off if you don't use SB

[MOD]

Column 1-2-3-4

-Autumn Dream-

00:00:34 - Add note?

From 00:00:248 (248|1) - till 00:04:962 (4962|2) - why dont you follow the Kick bass?.. it's more readable (cuz thats the Loudest Sound here)

if you want to follow the Synth..

00:00:034 - Add note (double)
00:00:248 (248|1) - move to blue line above
00:00:462 - add double note
and repeat it till 00:04:962

From 00:05:230 - Till 00:13:319 add Note or Dual note on the white line for Kick Bass

00:36:891 (36891|1) - add note

00:38:605 (38605|0) - ^
00:42:034 (42034|1) - ^
and the other single note like this

00:42:891 (42891|0) - What this LN note for??

00:56:016 (56016|2,56016|1) - off beat.. move to red line below *

00:56:284 (56284|3,56284|2) - ^ to white line below *

00:56:391 - add dual Notes *

00:57:730 (57730|2,57730|0,57998|3,57998|1) - same as *

00:59:444 (59444|1,59444|3,59712|2,59712|0) - ^

01:01:159 (61159|3,61159|1,61426|3,61426|0) - ^

and the other that similiar like this

01:34:534 (94534|3,94855|2,95176|0,95498|3,95819|1) - what are you folloowing here??

01:41:712 (101712|1,102034|0,102355|3,102676|2) - ^

for pattern like this.. follow the drum beat (1/2 Line)

02:56:176 (176176|3) - Add Note

02:57:676 (177676|2) - Delete

03:03:034 (183034|3) - Add Note

05:00:462 (300462|1,301319|1) - No need Double.. Soft sound here

05:06:730 (306730|0,306784|1,306837|2,306891|3) - sudden 1/8 stair?? is it OK? i suggest stick to the prev. note pattern

Rast seems Fine.. just.. add note on every Kick bass sound

MOD End~
GL^.^

Razorflamekun

162 posts

Joined October 2014

Topic Starter

Razorflamekun 2015-02-26T03:06:22+00:00

Pharos21 wrote:
ahh sorry.. i forgot about your req in my Queue >.< Soo Sorry..

Here *

PLease Forgive me orz

~~ill mod it as soon as posible (away atm~~

OK MOD here

Accepted and fixed changes
Partially accepted and fixed changes
Denied changes

[General]

Widescreen Support = Turn it off if you don't use SB Done.

[MOD]

Column 1-2-3-4

-Autumn Dream-

00:00:34 - Add note? Added three note chord at this very prominent sound. I originally wasn't going to do the intro, but I decided to since it felt empty without doing the intro.

From 00:00:248 (248|1) - till 00:04:962 (4962|2) - why dont you follow the Kick bass?.. it's more readable (cuz thats the Loudest Sound here) Yeah, I know it's the most prominent sound here, but I decided to follow the synth because that's the sound that I felt helped the flow of the music and the map more than the regularity of the kick bass.

if you want to follow the Synth..

00:00:034 - Add note (double)
00:00:248 (248|1) - move to blue line above
00:00:462 - add double note
and repeat it till 00:04:962

I purposefully kept this section sparse of notes because it is meant to be a calm section of the song. I don't want to ruin the calmness of this part of the song by following exactly what you said, but I did compromise and add another note on the blue tick right beneath the red tick chords as I can sense a subtle sound there that will still keep the flow of the music and map intact.

From 00:05:230 - Till 00:13:319 add Note or Dual note on the white line for Kick Bass I purposefully left these notes out because they would ruin the overall flow and atmosphere of the song and way that I mapped this song.

00:36:891 (36891|1) - add note Done.

00:38:605 (38605|0) - ^ Done.
00:42:034 (42034|1) - ^ Done.
and the other single note like this Done. Also, changed all current two note chords to three note chords to follow the previous segment as well.

00:42:891 (42891|0) - What this LN note for??

00:56:016 (56016|2,56016|1) - off beat.. move to red line below * Every single timing test that I do with these three notes have them at the points that they are. I'll try a bit of a compromise that won't change the flow of the music or map and hopefully that'll help alleviate this issue.

00:56:284 (56284|3,56284|2) - ^ to white line below * Every single timing test that I do with these three notes have them at the points that they are. I'll try a bit of a compromise that won't change the flow of the music or map and hopefully that'll help alleviate this issue.

00:56:391 - add dual Notes * I figured out a different pattern that would work around this issue after listening to the music closely. Found out that there's some extra sounds that lead into the next measure.

00:57:730 (57730|2,57730|0,57998|3,57998|1) - same as *

00:59:444 (59444|1,59444|3,59712|2,59712|0) - ^

01:01:159 (61159|3,61159|1,61426|3,61426|0) - ^

and the other that similiar like this Read replies on the above three notes

01:34:534 (94534|3,94855|2,95176|0,95498|3,95819|1) - what are you folloowing here?? I'm following a very subtle synth sound here.

01:41:712 (101712|1,102034|0,102355|3,102676|2) - ^ I'm following a very subtle synth sound here.

for pattern like this.. follow the drum beat (1/2 Line) I'm following a very subtle synth sound here. To follow the drum beat sound would ruin the flow of the map and song. Trust me when I say this: This part of the song is pretty integral to the success of the map as a whole and I don't really want to change it as I think it's perfect as is.

02:56:176 (176176|3) - Add Note Not enough emphasis for a chord here.

02:57:676 (177676|2) - Delete There is emphasis behind the sound that I chose to map these notes to.

03:03:034 (183034|3) - Add Note Not enough emphasis for a chord here.

05:00:462 (300462|1,301319|1) - No need Double.. Soft sound here This follows the loud sound pattern that was followed in the previous few seconds. That sound is still prevalent in this section where the underlying synth is removed.

05:06:730 (306730|0,306784|1,306837|2,306891|3) - sudden 1/8 stair?? is it OK? i suggest stick to the prev. note pattern The hitsounding in this part is a little loud, so you weren't able to hear the tribal saxophone sound in the background that this note pattern follows. I've fixed the hitsounding volume issue, so you should be able to hear the tribal sounds that I was referring to easily.

Rast seems Fine.. just.. add note on every Kick bass sound

MOD End~
GL^.^

Thanks for the mod and thank you for the star!

Sorarei

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Joined August 2012

Sorarei 2015-02-27T08:50:49+00:00

this is need more work .

[Autumn Dreams]

- Check your Inherited Timing, some aren't snapped well. fix it

- I'd recommend you change diff name other than music title.

- why there's not hitsound, it's unrankable.

From the beginning of song, 00:01:855 (1855|2,1962|0,1962|1) - <- this kind of pattern seems not following specific sound. use this pattern, you can see the first and second note (Red and Blue) are used single note and ended by double note to present kick and synth sound. that's how the song work in early song. do that note placement (use variously) till 00:13:319 - so player know how the pattern works for song.

From 00:13:748 - Actually similar with first, but the pattern goes to be rapid note like this http://puu.sh/geEg0/f2016915d0.jpg till 00:27:462 -

this section 00:27:462 - and this section 00:36:034 - still used same beat type, (as far i know Euro Trance use long 4/4) but somehow i don't understand why you do 1/4 in the 2nd section i highlighted. though the beat are similiar with the early (or exactly same). try to consist these part to be same pattern style. even what exactly sound do you follow with using this hold note 00:42:891 (42891|0) - i don't hear anything that has pad synth or lead synth, i suggest to remove that long note.

00:51:462 - suggested pattern http://puu.sh/geEEK/82a2df0e78.png

00:55:534 (55534|3) - or both note can be moved to 00:55:641 - due you mainly used note for synth. and 00:56:016 (56016|2,56016|3) - are wrong beat placement, fix these kind wrong placement, there's some.

01:27:462 (87462|0,87891|1,88319|2,88748|3) - why this note only single. this is really not consistent to other patterns.

01:34:319 (94319|1,94534|3,94855|2,95176|0,95498|3) - i don't understand how this note work for song, change these beat placement more proper according to the beat, this (or mostly) section are more enjoyable if you used full 1/4 stream with double kick and triple snare.

02:17:176 (137176|1,140676|2) - no, the end and start note aren't from 1/6 measures. this long hold note should ended/started every 1/1 (in above timing it show long white line)

02:49:587 (169587|2,169694|2) - what do you thinking you do with 1/8, are you really sure it is 1/8 ?.

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Keep it in mind, your note doesn't follow specific note it's more like dynamic pattern that player confuse to play it, they likely will think like "which note this supposed to follow with ?" "i don't understand this note following what".
i will come back here for more mods

Harbyter

Beatmap Nominator

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Harbyter 2015-02-27T20:25:06+00:00

hello mod req via queue

[Autumn Dreams]

Column-1-2-3-4-

highly reccomend you to remove those SV, this song don't need a change of speed xD

00:00:462 - ~00:11:605 - ,suggest to rearrange those pattern and follow the main beat in the white lines,this rhytm is inconsistent and wrong ,trust me BN o QAT will never rank something like this

00:53:176 (53176|1,53284|2,53391|3) - suggest to CTRL+J for pitch revelancy also mov ethis note 00:52:962 (52962|3) - in col 3

00:56:016 (56016|3,56016|2) - ???nothing in 1/8 suggest to resnap those notes in the redline in 1/4
00:57:730 (57730|2,57730|0) - same here
00:59:444 (59444|3,59444|1) -
01:01:159 (61159|3,61159|1) -
01:02:873 (62873|0,62873|2) -
01:04:587 (64587|3,64587|1) -
01:06:301 (66301|2,66301|1) -
01:08:016 (68016|3,68016|0) -
01:09:730 (69730|3,69730|2) -
01:11:444 (71444|3,71444|1) -
01:13:159 (73159|0,73159|1) -
01:14:873 (74873|2,74873|1) -
01:16:587 (76587|1,76587|2) -
01:18:301 (78301|2,78301|3) -
01:20:016 (80016|2,80016|1) -

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if in this section you are following those sound in the bg then move this 01:34:855 (94855|2) - here 01:34:748 -
01:34:962 - add here
01:35:284 - add a note here
01:35:605 - add another note here

01:41:712 (101712|1) - move this note here 01:41:605 -

and add notes here 01:41:926 - 01:42:248 - 01:42:462 -

01:43:748 - 01:44:605 - 01:45:462 - 01:47:176 - 01:48:034 - suggest to add a note for the drum,in this section only you put doubles in other drum and single note in other ,

01:48:034 - suggest to follow the same pattern like the previous one

02:49:587 (169587|2,169694|2) - nothing here,delet xd

02:54:676 (174676|0) - same here ,nothing

03:01:534 (181534|1) - ~

03:07:319 (187319|1) - ~

05:06:730 (306730|0,306837|2) - we can't hear really well those piano while playing ,suggest to remove ,also this pattern is really unconfortable lol ,if yes fix too this note 05:06:784 (306784|1) - ,suggest to move in another column

05:27:462 - suggest to change this pattern too ,05:25:748 (325748|2) - end this LN here 05:27:462 - first then apply the rearrangement

that's all

man you have lot of work to do

Razorflamekun

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Topic Starter

Razorflamekun 2015-02-28T04:04:53+00:00

I'll reply to these mods tomorrow in this post. Cheers!

Reikosaka wrote:
this is need more work .

Accepted and fixed changes
Partially accepted and fixed changes
Denied changes

[Autumn Dreams]

- Check your Inherited Timing, some aren't snapped well. fix it Checked all inherited timing points. All are correctly snapped.

- I'd recommend you change diff name other than music title. I know that it isn't very original, but I can't think of another name that fits the difficulty better than the title of the song.

- why there's not hitsound, it's unrankable.

Hitsounds are present. They're not overpowering because this is a very soothing and atmospheric song, and some segments have very quiet hitsounds so that the song can be heard in the way that I wanted it to be heard. No actual sounds like finishes or claps or whistles were placed in this map because none of them fit with the atmosphere of the song. If you can find alternatives that fit the atmosphere of the song, I'll gladly use them.

From the beginning of song, 00:01:855 (1855|2,1962|0,1962|1) - <- this kind of pattern seems not following specific sound. use this pattern, you can see the first and second note (Red and Blue) are used single note and ended by double note to present kick and synth sound. that's how the song work in early song. do that note placement (use variously) till 00:13:319 - so player know how the pattern works for song. I've partially fixed this. First five seconds follow this kind of pattern, new pattern starts at 5 seconds in.

From 00:13:748 - Actually similar with first, but the pattern goes to be rapid note like this http://puu.sh/geEg0/f2016915d0.jpg till 00:27:462 - While I see what you are saying, I don't think that that pattern fits this section very well. Also, I purposefully left notes out of that section to keep it fairly laid back as the song is just starting to get going. I don't see any reason to change this section at this time.

this section 00:27:462 - and this section 00:36:034 - still used same beat type, (as far i know Euro Trance use long 4/4) but somehow i don't understand why you do 1/4 in the 2nd section i highlighted. though the beat are similiar with the early (or exactly same). try to consist these part to be same pattern style. The reason I changed from 1/2 partial jump stream to full 1/4 partial jump stream in the second segment was to ratchet up the intensity of that part to begin the lead-in into the main part of the song. It was also suggested by another modder.

even what exactly sound do you follow with using this hold note 00:42:891 (42891|0) - i don't hear anything that has pad synth or lead synth, i suggest to remove that long note. That LN is staying. It follows an underlying synth sound that can be heard starting there, and gradually becomes louder until it can be clearly heard starting at 00:48:034 . It made no sense for me to continue the LN after that point because I was going back into the flow of the song and map.

00:51:462 - suggested pattern http://puu.sh/geEEK/82a2df0e78.png That is a fairly calm section of the song, so instead of using your pattern, as it is a bit too much for that section of the song, I used the same pattern as I did in the beginning of the song (blue tick, red tick pattern) and it works good in that section. I think of it as a good compromise.

00:55:534 (55534|3) - or both note can be moved to 00:55:641 - due you mainly used note for synth. Please explain what you mean. I don't know what you are wanting me to fix here.

and 00:56:016 (56016|2,56016|3) - are wrong beat placement, fix these kind wrong placement, there's some. Finally found the right timing after another 30 or so timing checks. Fixed in all cases.

01:27:462 (87462|0,87891|1,88319|2,88748|3) - why this note only single. this is really not consistent to other patterns. Removed these four notes.

01:34:319 (94319|1,94534|3,94855|2,95176|0,95498|3) - i don't understand how this note work for song, change these beat placement more proper according to the beat, this (or mostly) section are more enjoyable if you used full 1/4 stream with double kick and triple snare. These notes follow a somewhat audible synth sound in the background and this is one of the integral parts of this map, which is why I am very reluctant to change it.

02:17:176 (137176|1,140676|2) - no, the end and start note aren't from 1/6 measures. this long hold note should ended/started every 1/1 (in above timing it show long white line) Nope, this is where the note starts as is mentioned by another modder. I've checked this timing and it's correct. Unless more than a few people ask me to change it, I don't think that I want to change it right now as I don't see anything wrong about it.

02:49:587 (169587|2,169694|2) - what do you thinking you do with 1/8, are you really sure it is 1/8 ?. During this section on my Stepmania map, I used 1/32nd notes here. As Osu doesn't have 1/32nd notes, 16th notes work fine instead, as they have pretty much the same effect here.

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Keep it in mind, your note doesn't follow specific note it's more like dynamic pattern that player confuse to play it, they likely will think like "which note this supposed to follow with ?" "i don't understand this note following what".
i will come back here for more mods

Thanks for the mod and the stars!

Last edited by Razorflamekun 2015-02-28T21:43:02+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Steins

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Steins 2015-02-28T21:10:40+00:00

Maybe like that ?

https://www.sendspace.com/file/66zoq3

Razorflamekun

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Razorflamekun 2015-02-28T21:17:18+00:00

Harbyter wrote:
hello mod req via queue

Accepted and fixed changes
Partially accepted and fixed changes
Denied changes

[Autumn Dreams]

Column-1-2-3-4-

highly reccomend you to remove those SV, this song don't need a change of speed xD Yes, the SVs are used in conjunction with the flow of the song to provide a more atmospheric and memorable experience for the player of the song. Furthermore, the SVs are necessary to help convey the song to the player. That's why they're in there.

00:00:462 - ~00:11:605 - ,suggest to rearrange those pattern and follow the main beat in the white lines,this rhytm is inconsistent and wrong ,trust me BN o QAT will never rank something like this No. The rhythm followed is extremely regular and is not wrong. I've done the tests that prove that.

00:53:176 (53176|1,53284|2,53391|3) - suggest to CTRL+J for pitch revelancy also mov ethis note 00:52:962 (52962|3) - in col 3
Huh, I thought I already corrected this for pitch relevancy...guess not. Fixed, and moved that note.
00:56:016 (56016|3,56016|2) - ???nothing in 1/8 suggest to resnap those notes in the redline in 1/4
00:57:730 (57730|2,57730|0) - same here
00:59:444 (59444|3,59444|1) -
01:01:159 (61159|3,61159|1) -
01:02:873 (62873|0,62873|2) -
01:04:587 (64587|3,64587|1) -
01:06:301 (66301|2,66301|1) -
01:08:016 (68016|3,68016|0) -
01:09:730 (69730|3,69730|2) -
01:11:444 (71444|3,71444|1) -
01:13:159 (73159|0,73159|1) -
01:14:873 (74873|2,74873|1) -
01:16:587 (76587|1,76587|2) -
01:18:301 (78301|2,78301|3) -
01:20:016 (80016|2,80016|1) -

All these fixed in Reikosaka's mod.

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if in this section you are following those sound in the bg then move this 01:34:855 (94855|2) - here 01:34:748 -
01:34:962 - add here
01:35:284 - add a note here
01:35:605 - add another note here In this section, I took some of your advice and changed it to be a much more fluid section without disrupting the flow of the song.

01:41:712 (101712|1) - move this note here 01:41:605 - In this section, I took some of your advice and changed it to be a much more fluid section without disrupting the flow of the song.

and add notes here 01:41:926 - 01:42:248 - 01:42:462 - In this section, I took some of your advice and changed it to be a much more fluid section without disrupting the flow of the song.

01:43:748 - 01:44:605 - 01:45:462 - 01:47:176 - 01:48:034 - suggest to add a note for the drum,in this section only you put doubles in other drum and single note in other , I purposefully left the drums in this section as a single note as the song is beginning to wind down to the slow section of the song. It wouldn't be right to disrupt this by adding more chords in this section.

01:48:034 - suggest to follow the same pattern like the previous one In this section, I took some of your advice and changed it to be a much more fluid section without disrupting the flow of the song.

02:49:587 (169587|2,169694|2) - nothing here,delet xd I assure you that there IS a sound that those notes are following. This is the one part of the song that will NOT be changed.

02:54:676 (174676|0) - same here ,nothing Removed.

03:01:534 (181534|1) - ~ Removed.

03:07:319 (187319|1) - ~ Removed.

05:06:730 (306730|0,306837|2) - we can't hear really well those piano while playing ,suggest to remove ,also this pattern is really unconfortable lol ,if yes fix too this note 05:06:784 (306784|1) - ,suggest to move in another column Changed pattern to be easier on the hands.

05:27:462 - suggest to change this pattern too ,05:25:748 (325748|2) - end this LN here 05:27:462 - first then apply the rearrangement Done.

that's all

man you have lot of work to do

Thanks for the mod!

Steinstwo wrote:
Maybe like that ?
https://www.sendspace.com/file/66zoq3

Please DO NOT DENY the Kudos that I gave Steinstwo! He actually DID provide me with a mod! Thanks!

Changed the opening five seconds as per this mod.
Changed first background synth section to a pattern similar to the one you provided.
Changed second background synth section to another similar pattern.
Changed third background synth section to another similar pattern.
Fixed all LNs in the section starting at 02:17:176 .
Removed the notes in this section starting at 05:54:891 . This definitely helped.

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