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Poll 23: Price of supporter

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Are you okay with a slight supporter price increase?

I am fine with the new pricing.
1091
77.21%
No. I will stop supporting osu!.
204
14.44%
I'm okay with an increase, but this is too much.
118
8.35%
Total votes: 1413
Polling ended
peppy
19,315 posts
Here since the beginning
Topic Starter
peppy
Supporter tags current go for $4 a month if paying monthly, or as low as $2.17 a month for a year. I haven't changed the prices for many years, but due to inflation this actually means that the revenue I am making is decreasing (ie. supporter is getting cheaper but my costs are increasing). To put this in numbers, based on inflation since 2007, the current price of supporter should actually be $4.81/month in 2014.

I'm considering making the first change to supporter pricing, and was wondering what people think about it.

My proposal is

1 month $4 -> $5 ($5/month)
4 months $12 -> $15 ($3.75/month)
6 months $16 -> 18 ($3/month)
8 months $20 -> $22 ($2.75/month)
10 months $24 -> $26 ($2.6/month)
12 months $26 -> $28 ($2.33/month)

Keep in mind that I always use available profit to expand the team and throw as much money back into the game as possible. It would not increase how much I am personally making (which at the end of the day isn't that high, contrary to some people's beliefs :p).

Once I have results from this poll, I will be separating them into votes from people who currently support osu!, and focusing on those numbers, so current supporters' opinions count more.
PatZar
3,079 posts
Joined March 2013
PatZar
oh don't please :(
$4 it's average
BlanksonnG
74 posts
Joined November 2012
BlanksonnG
I don't mind if you need to increase prices! If it helps osu! then go ahead I won't complain.
Ironsoul27
134 posts
Joined January 2014
Ironsoul27
Go ahead peppy, I don't mind the price increase as long as it helps ya :3
__Hatsune_Miku
598 posts
Joined July 2014
__Hatsune_Miku
pleas no.. T.T

== But.. My heart is changed in favor of higher prices.
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Tomoka Rin
Former osu! Champion: OWC#1
378 posts
Joined June 2009
Tomoka Rin
i accept the new price cause i believe it will make osu better
Rina
1 post
Joined March 2013
Rina
Yo when I saw you talking about this I figured you'd be more generous to yourself than a one dollar increase at the lowest point, but this is still just as generous to us as you've always been. Make it as much as you need, Peppy.
Her
12 posts
Joined August 2013
Her
I don't have a problem with this. Question: Would the increase solely be to help curb the negative revenue or would supporters start seeing more benefits?
Just asking, not trying to sound like a dick.
dionzz99
677 posts
Joined April 2013
dionzz99
its okay for me although i never buy a supporter (only gifted)
if its due to inflation, i can accept it :)
peppy
19,315 posts
Here since the beginning
Topic Starter
peppy

Her wrote:

I don't have a problem with this. Question: Would the increase solely be to help curb the negative revenue or would supporters start seeing more benefits?
Just asking, not trying to sound like a dick.
More benefits are coming, but they are not planned to be delivered in scale to price increases. The cost of supporter is not supposed to be equal to the value of what it gives you. Supporter benefits are already pretty huge, and they will only get larger (read: less proprortional, in your favour) to the cost.
Her
12 posts
Joined August 2013
Her

peppy wrote:

Her wrote:

I don't have a problem with this. Question: Would the increase solely be to help curb the negative revenue or would supporters start seeing more benefits?
Just asking, not trying to sound like a dick.
More benefits are coming, but they are not planned to be delivered in scale to price increases. The cost of supporter is not supposed to be equal to the value of what it gives you. Supporter benefits are already pretty huge, and they will only get larger (read: less proprortional, in your favour) to the cost.
Thanks peppy. Just wondering.
How many times are you going to get this question and how many times will you decide not to reach for the gun?
Samui_old_1
151 posts
Joined November 2012
Samui_old_1
So the price increase is:
  1. 1 month +25%
  2. 4 months +25%
  3. 6 months +12.5%
  4. 8 months +10%
  5. 10 months +8.33%
  6. 12 months +7.69%
Not that bad of a price increase, to be honest. Especially when supporter is not required to play.

Edit: Just as a suggestion, why not make the supporter price for 6~12 months to:

  1. 6 months $16 -> $18 $20 ($3 $3.33/month)
  2. 8 months $20 -> $22 $24 ($2.75 $3.00/month)
  3. 10 months $24 -> $26 $28 ($2.6 $2.8/month)
  4. 12 months $26 -> $28 $31 ($2.33 $2.58/month)
kokoro_kiseki
8 posts
Joined June 2014
kokoro_kiseki
Hehe the price is fine as long as it helps improve osu >w<

Im too poor to be a supporter. plus, my momma doesnt know i play osu XD

Wut.
XPJ38
osu! Alumni
3,570 posts
Joined February 2010
XPJ38
As far as I am concerned, a $2 increase for a 6+-month-long supporter tag is largely acceptable, I wouldn't mind if I had to buy one.
Thinking for others, the price increase for the 1 month tag may sound a little steep for those who regularly buy this kind of tag as a gift for friends. Don't know to what extent it will impact the number of tags sold though.

Just out of curiosity, what are the most frequently sold tags? I believe 1, 12 and 6 are the most common but I don't know for sure.
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Rain Blizzard
46 posts
Joined May 2012
Rain Blizzard
You can increase it but please add more payment options :v or just bring back MOL Points .
SuperTurtle
1 post
Joined May 2014
SuperTurtle
No problems here, a dollar or 2 is hardly anything.
silmarilen
5,581 posts
Joined February 2010
silmarilen
if it's necessary to keep the game running then do it.
Raging Bull
2,809 posts
Joined June 2010
Raging Bull
I'm fine, the price change looks very generous still.
smead
11 posts
Joined April 2014
smead
The $4 price was kinda unique to me, but I'm fine with the increase :3.

And who voted "No. I will stop supporting osu!" xD
Yano
191 posts
Joined November 2012
Yano
I have no problems with these changes.

osu! gives (for me at least) more and better content (lol) than much other games. (F2P and P2P)
The community is also nice, apart from the shitstorms. (<- but they're entertaining)
sellyme
43 posts
Joined April 2012
sellyme
I'm happy to pay three times as much as I am currently if it means that the various defunct stats pages around the site would actually start working again (example 1, 2, 3).

Not 100% certain that I'd continue paying for supporter if it was raised with the current features I get for it, but if it gave access to more advanced statistics (especially an easy score database browser similar to osu!db (but not awful)) I'd pay $10/month without even thinking twice about it.
gadrin
111 posts
Joined January 2013
gadrin
The supporter wouldn't be called the "SUPPORTER" if it served no purpose in supporting the game. I love the game, and I want to support it, so i'm up for the increase, with big expectations ;)
Carrox
33 posts
Joined September 2013
Carrox
You should add lifetime supporter option
gadrin
111 posts
Joined January 2013
gadrin

Norppis wrote:

You should add lifetime supporter option
That would decrease the potential income by a huge amount, let's say everyone that wanted to buy a supporter, bough it for a lifetime. There would be no more income and the whole system would break.

Besides it is hard to calculate a price for a "lifetime" supporter time.
Mazo
3 posts
Joined February 2013
Mazo
The increase is fine, I would have only spent that extra dollar or two on Riot Points anyway.
Mira-san
1,038 posts
Joined May 2012
Mira-san

Rain Blizzard wrote:

You can increase it but please add more payment options :v or just bring back MOL Points .
Grimbow
424 posts
Joined February 2012
Grimbow
I was really surprised how cheap supporter was in £'s anyway, I'd be more than happy to pay a little more next time around! I get a lot more out of this game for the small amount I payed than I would anywhere else :)
Goopy
17 posts
Joined November 2010
Goopy

Mira-san wrote:

Rain Blizzard wrote:

You can increase it but please add more payment options :v or just bring back MOL Points .
almost every filipino problems :3
mortiii
21 posts
Joined August 2013
mortiii
The new price is totally fine with me.

Honestly though, I'd be happier if you transferred some of the functionality benefits to all the players and perhaps keep just the "fancy features" (such as skinnable welcome.mp3 and background images) for the supporters.

Basically to make the supporter tag more like "I want to support the game" rather then "I want to compare myself to my friends in the rankings."

IMHO it would attract more people to play the game. (or rather stick with it) -> more people would eventually pay for the game.

thoughts?

/rant
IzumiKonata
11 posts
Joined May 2013
IzumiKonata
I won't support anymore but nothing about the price.
E14
353 posts
Joined November 2011
E14

Rain Blizzard wrote:

You can increase it but please add more payment options :v or just bring back MOL Points .
vote up
Zare
1,512 posts
Joined March 2012
Zare
Honestly why even make a public poll
you won't get any negative resonance on this thread anyway, everyone's an idealist on the internet

on topic, I'm a greedy bastard and wouldn't like to see the prive increasing tbh, but the difference is really low so it doesn't really matter to a single person, I guess

(Also, "the revenue I am making is decreasing"? Please, the amount of supporters is rising like mad as the amount of players is growing, you are bound to have earned more over the years than the inflation could make up for)
Jerry Scarlet
3 posts
Joined June 2014
Jerry Scarlet
I have no problem to the increase if this change can promote development of osu!
But...I think supporter is just a donator,not a buyer
FaL3C_ChoBo
FaL3C_ChoBo
I'm ok :)
Te Amo
246 posts
Joined January 2013
Te Amo
As long as its for you peppy-san
Nakano Itsuki
1,218 posts
Joined July 2014
Nakano Itsuki
Well... the natural response is to reject any sort of price increase. :P
However, seeing that it isn't rising too much, I'll accept it.
Proxy
56 posts
Joined October 2013
Proxy

Blank wrote:

I don't mind if you need to increase prices! If it helps osu! then go ahead I won't complain.
Stefan
Global Moderator
10,407 posts
Joined January 2011
Stefan

Jerry Scarlet wrote:

But...I think supporter is just a donator,not a buyer
Damn, how I want to read this over and over and over and over again because it's one of the smartest things I've read in the last months.


On-Topic: The increase is pretty good and acceptable, honestly wouldn't mind to go even on 5.50~6 dollar but I think we stick on five and everyone is happy.
Sieg
3,981 posts
Joined February 2012
Sieg
nah... one more dollar, totally fine
SPOILER
Bauxe
1,624 posts
Joined August 2012
Bauxe

Zare wrote:

(Also, "the revenue I am making is decreasing"? Please, the amount of supporters is rising like mad as the amount of players is growing, you are bound to have earned more over the years than the inflation could make up for)
Pretty sure it leads to more costs for resources though.
Pannari
407 posts
Joined November 2013
Pannari
I'm perfectly with the increase. As long as this is not going to lead to supporter prices steadily rising.
Karuta-_old_1
947 posts
Joined November 2009
Karuta-_old_1
This is not marketing so I am going to calculate this based on the donor point of view

------------------------------------------------------------------cost per day-----------------------change in cost per day
1 month $4 -> $5 ($5/month) ------------------------- 0.133 to 0.167/day---------------3.4 cents per day
4 months $12 -> $15 ($3.75/month) ------------------ 0.1 to 0.125/day-----------------2.5 cents per day
6 months $16 -> 18 ($3/month) --------------------- 0.089 to 0.1/day-----------------1.1 cents per day
8 months $20 -> $22 ($2.75/month) ----------------- 0.083 to 0.092/day--------------0.9 cents per day
10 months $24 -> $26 ($2.6/month) ------------------ 0.08 to 0.087/day---------------0.7 cents per day
12 months $26 -> $28 ($2.33/month) ---------------- 0.072 to 0.078/day--------------0.6 cents per day

I am okay with this, the difference isn't really that big

It would be better if the increase for 1 month is lower, not many people really have the money to pay for 4 months and more
something around $4.75 would be more feasible

Also, "the revenue I am making is decreasing"? Please, the amount of supporters is rising like mad as the amount of players is growing, you are bound to have earned more over the years than the inflation could make up for
Pretty sure it leads to more costs for resources though.
Osu! has changed alot since 2012, I am not surprised to see this. The competitiveness of this game tells you how the community has grown. Back then there wasn't many players who make it to the top 50 with mods other than HD. And people were not that eager to participate in tournaments either
Muv Acid
43 posts
Joined July 2013
Muv Acid
yes! do it c:
~offtopic
mobile paymentis broken for my country (at least for me) and sms as well..
Renegade Zac
24 posts
Joined May 2014
Renegade Zac
If you need to increase the prices that's fine, it's not even going up much so I'm perfectly fine with it.
khan119
125 posts
Joined September 2013
khan119
No I will definitely stop supporting osu for that extra dollar you are so greedy peppy wow
Harold Miner
Harold Miner
If price changed,I think people who support this game should have more interesting items,change username twice sounds good.
Keepu
13 posts
Joined March 2014
Keepu
I understand the need for an increase in revenue, however most people overreact to even a slight increase in cost (asking on a forum isn't exactly unbiased), possibly resulting in a decrease in revenue. I suggest you simply advertise supporter more, such as putting a "support osu!" Button on the opening page above the link to the site. This button would link to the buying supporter page on the website or if you wanted perfect integration the button could link within the client itself.

Demand curve:

with an increase in demand as you can see, the increase in demand would increase, but the price would not increase because you have infinite supply of supporter to give. therefore increase in revenue (area under dotted line = revenue). You could also increase demand through other means such as increases supporter perks.

what is being proposed, an increase in price alone is more likely to give these results.

As you can see the increase in price of supporter results in a decrease in demand and the profits are likely to remain about the same. (again, area under dotted line = revenue)

Tl;dr I believe if you simply increase demand through advertising, profits would be greater than simply increasing the price of supporter a slight amount.
Kurabuman
53 posts
Joined March 2014
Kurabuman
1 dollar, no big deal.
Heterozygous_old
Heterozygous_old
I did vote for "no I won't support", but that was based on something like
note that they are not donations; osu! is not a charity.
that peppy said weeks before.
I thought that to support osu! means to give money to peppy just to help running this free-to-play game without expecting anything in return, and peppy offer some minor convenience just because of thankfulness.
However, the claim peppy made above sounds like he thinks that supporter is actually a product for sale, which makes me feel like being cheated. That's basically why I voted for stop paying.

If I was misinterpreting what he said, and the nature of supporting osu! is not donation, nor product for sale either, then I apologize for such misunderstanding and I'll keep supporting without hesitate.
exeNeko
18 posts
Joined August 2014
exeNeko

Mazo Ketsui wrote:

The increase is fine, I would have only spent that extra dollar or two on Riot Points anyway.

same here ... the 4 $ r kinda unique but its not a big deal if u want to increase it a bit ...
for me its anyway not about the benefits at all ... they r neat and nice but not essential for the game .. i support when there is a good option and i have some money left ... the better if there are some benefits ... of course :3
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