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The latest update to osu made it a lot bouncier, among many other fancy things, but there was also an exciting change to osu!mania scroll speeds. It's a simple change to allow you to use the same scroll speed for more songs. And before you start worrying, no, it doesn't kill SV or BPM changes. Here's a quick overview of the change, why it was necessary, and how you can make best use of it.

You can enable a new behaviour from options:



Mania scroll speed (the thing you change with F3/F4) has always had some major flaws. Without going into too much detail, the fact that this new change alone addresses about 10 feature requests is enough to show that this change was warranted. The full list:
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t/233853: More precise speed setting in Mania (+Edit)
t/227393: .5 Scroll speed for mania
t/221859: 2 New (Unranked) mods for Osu!Mania: SV Mod
t/216614: Scale osu!mania scroll speed setting by primary BPM of songs
t/212641: Smaller scroll speed increments
t/199967: Osu mania Automatic Speed Controller
t/136214: [osu!mania] Custom Speed per BPM
t/103251: Osu!Mania Approach Rate (Fall Speed) Formula Change
t/100764: osu!mania note fall speed


Here's how it works: scroll speeds can now be set to no longer scale to the primary BPM of the song you're playing. This will allow you to use the same scroll speed for a 100BPM song and a 200BPM song, and have the notes travel at the same speed. Because we're only basing the scroll speed around one primary BPM, SV changes and BPM still work the same.

By default, osu now uses a single, global scroll speed for every song. There is an option (under the gameplay section of Options) to get back the old behaviour of saving your scroll speed for each individual beatmap.

That's about it! Enjoy the new system, and feel free to leave any feedback on it in this thread.
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*le gives cookie
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Hi, I faced the problem that even I tick the opinion of 'remember the scrolling speed for each map' , the bpm still remain the same, with not speed change
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xiaolicaidao wrote:

Hi, I faced the problem that even I tick the opinion of 'remember the scrolling speed for each map' , the bpm still remain the same, with not speed change
Same problem with me
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xiaolicaidao wrote:

Hi, I faced the problem that even I tick the opinion of 'remember the scrolling speed for each map' , the bpm still remain the same, with not speed change

I don't understand your problem. All this option does is stores the scroll speed you use for a beatmap when you play it. Then the next time you play the same beatmap, the game will use the stored scroll speed for that beatmap. It's working as intended.
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Is there someway to play with the normal speed? I mean, the speed that comes with the map?! The old way ( :
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Great!
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the songs are so slow now what happend to the fast osumania /o/
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I noticed it when I added new songs today. Really helpful. Thanks a lot!

@ranytro4
Press F3 to increase the speed.
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Hello, I have a problem.

When I tried to play a song i changed the speed, it said:
osu!mania speed set to 1 (0BPM x 100,0)
That's the lowest I could get, but I still can't play properly - it's too fast.
If I press F3, it is 2 (0BPM x 200,0)

How do I fix this?

Edit: I fixed it. Idk how, but it works now! :D
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You need to add a setting to play the old way, the speed changing is pissing me off, i have to change it for every song
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koreantaco wrote:

You need to add a setting to play the old way, the speed changing is pissing me off, i have to change it for every song


Tell me how please ^^"
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This speed changing is getting on my nerves! It would be better if we had an option to play the same way it was before this update. I don't want to change the speed for every song I play :/

I got used to a fast song these days and I can't play it as it is now... Even if I change the speed manually, I still can't find the correct speed that i'm used to :C

Please please, fix this :|
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This post and the implementation is wrong. It will be fixed in the next release.
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Peppy, I actually want to question your decision here. This scroll system is far better than the old one. I would like to understand your reason for this decision.

I believe the new system is much more convenient since you don't need to adjust your speed setting for each song or any time you use DT/NC.

I also believe that it's actually far easier to understand since the speed is absolute regardless of the BPM of the selected song. The term BPM-relative is a misnomer in this case.

I can understand that making a change like this may upset some players used to the old system, but the new system is far better overall.

For example, new players seem to have difficulty even realizing it's possible to change your speed. With this system, that would mean that every song automatically is adjusted to scroll at the same rate from the beginning, making BPM less of an issue for new players. On top of that, it's easier to explain the concept of absolute scroll speeds to a player than explaining how to do the math to try to recreate this system manually, which is what many players are forced to do with the old system.

In my opinion, it would have made far more sense to use this system from the very beginning, and makes literally no sense to even keep the old system, except maybe to appease some stubborn player who refuses to think long enough to recognize the benefit of the new system.
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You will have the option to use either. Also I agree this is not BPM-relative, which is why I changed the wording. Please see cutting edge build.
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My very uncomfortable to me anew, I dislike completely there any way to downgrade ??
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aiory wrote:

a mi me incomoda mucho el nuevo modo, me desagrada por completo hay alguna forma de desactualizar??

Acaban de agregar la opción de elegir entre ambos modos, tienes que esperar a que la nueva opción esté en el stable build (versión estable).
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New public release now available with modified behaviour.
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peppy wrote:

You will have the option to use either. Also I agree this is not BPM-relative, which is why I changed the wording. Please see cutting edge build.


I understand the change in wording, but I still don't understand keeping the old system. Of course making a change to a game mechanic will always confuse users who don't pay attention to patch notes or understand the difference, but the fixed speed system is far better for new players and far more convenient for everyone, so I don't understand the point of making it non-default and accessible via an option menu item that few players are likely to even know about.
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