Spawn Of Possession - Apparition

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Artorias

Cherry Blossom wrote:

The day will come when a player will be able to get A rank on this map nomod. You still can hope for now.
Let's see what will happen in a few days. To be honest, QATs will have much headache with this map x)
rrtyui can easily get an A and a good combo on this. Reimu got a 93% "almost" pass on stream.

I assume Hvick will get a good score on it as well because he is so fast and can do the 270 streams and the fast jumps.
Faces
HERE WE FUCKING GO BOYS

Artorias wrote:

Cherry Blossom wrote:

The day will come when a player will be able to get A rank on this map nomod. You still can hope for now.
Let's see what will happen in a few days. To be honest, QATs will have much headache with this map x)
rrtyui can easily get an A and a good combo on this. Reimu got a 93% "almost" pass on stream.

I assume Hvick will get a good score on it as well because he is so fast and can do the 270 streams and the fast jumps.
i think you are overestimating the skill of the players in this game
DT-sama

Artorias wrote:

I still stand that the OD could be lowered to 9.5 probably, what kind of noteblock are you going to get with OD9.5 that you're gonna fix with OD10?
Good question. Let's find out.
Let's say an OD is good enough for a certain bpm if you can always hit an early 300 after missing a jump, like 180bpm OD7.
This map's bpm mostly fluctuates between 240~250bpm and has a long 270bpm section full of singletaps, so let's take those three bpms.

OD9 is no good:
240bpm - almost half of the hit window of early 300s (~ 25ms) is taken by the previous circle's hit window. The early hit window is effectively restricted to 15ms. As people usually hit jumps earlier when they miss one, this is pretty bad.
250bpm - same as above, but now you have 10ms.
270bpm - you can't hit the note perfectly on time, but you can hit it like 2ms late.

OD9.5 doesn't improve the situation by much:
240bpm - you can hit early 300s (you must be at least ~2ms late actually), but not early 100s, barely acceptable.
250bpm - you only have 15ms of early 300s. Not acceptable.
270bpm - you can actually hit the note on time now, but you can't hit it earlier than ~5ms.

OD10, which is the best we can do, and it is barely acceptable:
240bpm - no complaints here, OD10 is decent for 240bpm jumps.
250bpm - can't hit early 100s, OD10 is barely acceptable here.
270bpm - half of the early 300s hit window is gone. But the 270bpm singletaps in the map aren't jumpy at all, they could play like a stream, for which OD10 is more than enough.

Nomod ODs for streams of this bpm are simply hopeless, with OD9.5 being relatively worse than OD8 on 200bpm.
OD8 on 200bpm streams means that if you miss a note in a stream, you'll have to start streaming at least 45ms late to not notelock. On OD8, that means you'll be streaming 100s about ~13ms later than what you'd need to get 300.
Likewise, missing a note in a OD9.5 250bpm stream means that you'll end up streaming at least 45ms late. The difference is that, to get 300, you should've have started streaming ~23ms earlier, and you're closer to getting 50 than to getting 300. So, to compensate, you'll have to overstream faster/for more time, at a higher bpm to boot.
OD10 is still worse than OD8 on 200bpm, but you'll be streaming 40ms late, and you have only a ~18ms disadvantage to recover.
Even OD7 DT would've been better, in fact it would've been great, its hitwindow for 50s in 87ms, compared to the 100ms of OD10.

TL;DR: nomod OD's hit windows for 50s fucking suck and notelock everything, OD10 is a must on this map because of that. Play DT for saner hit window scaling.
Ciyus Miapah
i feel agree with od10
since od9 and 9.5 will made this map harder
high od for harder maps for high players

well i hope this map didnt dqed for some "additional" reason
Purple
Glad to see this type of music get through the ranking process
Kaguya Hourain
Holy god
Spaghetti
>inb4 highest standard pp play ever on HT
Maeglwn
good song, but not for osu

at all

od10 is also completely insane, have fun with that one
Wookiezi

Maeglwn wrote:

good song, but not for osu

at all

od10 is also completely insane, have fun with that one
And wh was?
Bass
He probably meant by that Mazzerin's beatmap is unplayable for most of people while "wh" can be played normally without problems.
Maeglwn

Wookiezi wrote:

Maeglwn wrote:

good song, but not for osu

at all

od10 is also completely insane, have fun with that one
And wh was?
why wouldn't it be? it's a song that has a stable bpm, has a good under 2 minute timer for the general mass of community, and featured a vast majority of difficulty settings to appeal to every player.

and it made people laugh while listening to it

honestly I think it was everything this game needs

regardless, my unranked map isn't the point, the point is the map at hand here. I love this song but honestly songs like this are too out there for most of the community
Stefan
Does wh became to a bad meme or why does it always get called for a bad example? Anyway, I'd say it's that what Bass said, though this requires more opinion from top-tier players to be judged properly. Complaining about the Difficulty of the map won't help and lead anywhere if you can't pass it.
Jenny
Can't say the over-the-top level of difficulty clashes with the song since it's just batshit insane - can't so much criticize the map for being ""wrong"" as you could question the song being decent fit for a rhythm game.

Either way, since this game's content is entirely communitydriven, cases like this are to be expected and well within those boundries.
Sure, it's brutally hard and just entirely crazy and probably not extremely enjoyable to more than 5-10 people, but that's not what an unrank should be about - I looked through the entire map and besides slider leniency being used quite wonkily (much less so than in 95% of other maps), there's no issue in terms of improper mapping.


Yes it's ugly, yes it's brutal, but if you're gonna have firstly a rhytm game that is secondly driven by the community, then this is what you are going to end up with: a free choice of song and the mapper's interpretation as such. A tame and super-consistent snap of 1.2x 1.6 SV @160 BPM wouldn't really do it justice, as ugly as the song is.


Also, what's a "wh"?




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Mazzerin

Maeglwn wrote:

why wouldn't it be? it's a song that has a stable bpm, has a good under 2 minute timer for the general mass of community, and featured a vast majority of difficulty settings to appeal to every player.

and it made people laugh while listening to it

honestly I think it was everything this game needs

regardless, my unranked map isn't the point, the point is the map at hand here. I love this song but honestly songs like this are too out there for most of the community
oh come on, there are probably at least 500 people who can play it properly and 1/10th of them should be able to pass, it's not even that bad. alumetorz said he was surprised the star rating was that high until he saw the solo
Maeglwn

Mazzerin wrote:

oh come on, there are probably at least 500 people who can play it properly and 1/10th of them should be able to pass, it's not even that bad. alumetorz said he was surprised the star rating was that high until he saw the solo
the song

the song

the song

Maeglwn wrote:

the song
hoozimajiget

Maeglwn wrote:

I love this song but honestly songs like this are too out there for most of the community
No one was up in arms about this when Bal-Sagoth was ranked, why now?
Maeglwn

hoozimajiget wrote:

Maeglwn wrote:

I love this song but honestly songs like this are too out there for most of the community
No one was up in arms about this when Bal-Sagoth was ranked, why now?
because I didn't notice or care about balsagoth

somebody showed this to me so I felt the need to comment
Sieg

Maeglwn wrote:

Mazzerin wrote:

oh come on, there are probably at least 500 people who can play it properly and 1/10th of them should be able to pass, it's not even that bad. alumetorz said he was surprised the star rating was that high until he saw the solo
the song

the song

the song

Maeglwn wrote:

the song
the variety
Topic Starter
Mazzerin

Maeglwn wrote:

the song

the song

the song

Maeglwn wrote:

the song
whats wrong with the song?? ive never seen any anime and i cant see any artistic value or meaning in 99% of those songs where the vocalists pretend theyre 7 years old. however you dont seeme complaining about it in every thread where some awful anime song is ranked. im not waiting for anyone else to start mapping music i like, and so im doing it all by myself. you dont like it, you dont play it, its not that hard to ignore it
Kasie
For some reason this looks more easy than time freeze, maybe the hp drain is too generous? 6/7 clears already, I hope it stays ranked, these songs benefit the community
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