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This isn't a good reason... :/ignorethis wrote:
The reason why they let they pass is that the mapper's not available atm.
Do I have to remind you that hold sliders were stated as totally unrankable by peppy? I don't really think there is any exception to this, unfortunately.ignorethis wrote:
Considering the sliders... yeah they do break the rules, but please tell me do they make the map less unplayable? It just plays as usual and nothing bad happens, and there are only a couple of them. Then why are we arguing over the slider issues for so long? Because it break the rules, then it's unrankable... Why can't we rank a map that plays well but violates the man-made rules? Does it mean that the rule is highly above anything, even the quality of a map? Let alone that some of those rules shouldn't be made in the first place.
Beuchi-chan wrote:
This isn't a good reason... :/ignorethis wrote:
The reason why they let they pass is that the mapper's not available atm.Do I have to remind you that hold sliders were stated as totally unrankable by peppy? I don't really think there is any exception to this, unfortunately.ignorethis wrote:
Considering the sliders... yeah they do break the rules, but please tell me do they make the map less unplayable? It just plays as usual and nothing bad happens, and there are only a couple of them. Then why are we arguing over the slider issues for so long? Because it break the rules, then it's unrankable... Why can't we rank a map that plays well but violates the man-made rules? Does it mean that the rule is highly above anything, even the quality of a map? Let alone that some of those rules shouldn't be made in the first place.
just hope you can stop
a good idea is to let peppy see this map and leave it for him to decide
if you really need to do so to keep the "rules"
map is for people to play, not rules.
rules means people can have a common sense about what they're playing and have fun with the maps. but once "more fun" could be found in a map then exceptions can be made, obviously.
if you really need to do so to keep the "rules"
map is for people to play, not rules.
rules means people can have a common sense about what they're playing and have fun with the maps. but once "more fun" could be found in a map then exceptions can be made, obviously.
Beuchi-chan wrote:
Do I have to remind you that hold sliders were stated as totally unrankable by peppy? I don't really think there is any exception to this, unfortunately.
And why isn't the absense of the mapper a good reason? If he isn't here, then the only fate of this map is to be graveyarded?
[edit] nvm, I heard that no one has the right to do that.
Is it more fun to play like this compared to if i had to stick to the guidelines?Ja, more fun than lots of maps
ah D:
I'm late
congrats
I'm late
congrats
Best of 2010 for sure
it`s pure art
it`s pure art
Alace wrote:
Best of 2010 for sure
it`s pure art
THIS.Alace wrote:
Best of 2010 for sure
it`s pure art
Also about that hold slider. Jeez it's only 1 single slider. Did 100pa- put a dozen of timing sections to change slider speeds throughout the map?
This slider perfectly fits the song and map and it plays awesome as well. So what's the problem?
D: 1x100
Oh come on, don't you think these excuses are really stupid ? GUIDELINES, GUIDELINES, you people only know that word. But when one's map has an issue and the only thing you can think of to justify it is "they are only guidelines" then YES there's something seriously wrong. Stop thinking you're allowed to do anything just because no real rule was written.NatsumeRin wrote:
and before talking about rankable, 1st that's still "GUIDELINES" before peppy change it; 2nd this is a app map and could be given more available things. then 3rd, do you really need things to prevent things really become awesome? damn.
Besides, the only thing approval maps are allowed to have that ranked maps don't is the SCORE. Approval maps ARE ranked maps at any point of view, they just don't add anything to the total score. Stop thinking approval maps are allowed to have extra features.
FURTHER EDIT: since people are too stupid to use what they call a brain when they read a sentence, I'll re-word it so that they can understand it without the risk of thinking: Approval maps differ from ranked maps only by allowed length, difficulty, or score. Mappers shouldn't allow themselves to do what they wouldn't do in ranked maps.
Oh, so you only care about fun maps ? What about map quality ? If a map breaks a rule - or as you put it, a GUIDELINE - it should NOT be considered good.
EDIT: for people are obviously not capable of reading all the thread before replying, I meant "good for ranking or approval". Stop being picky on me.
I didn't download the map by the way, I'm just replying to the dumbest excuse ever invented.
EDIT: don't start a flamewar here please, if you want to reply just PM me (preferably ingame).
Sorry I have nothing useful to add, this maps awesome.
Wait you are serious? Let me laugh harder.Odaril wrote:
Oh, so you only care about fun maps ? What about map quality ? If a map breaks a rule - or as you put it, a GUIDELINE - it should NOT be considered good.
This SHOULD NOT be considered good? 
Good for ranking or approval, geez.
this map is awesome... please dont unrank D:
Alright, let's see that map.
Chroche
01:58:946 (3) - Hidden by the previous slider.
02:16:023 (1,2,1,2) - Why are (1) and (2) spaced the same way in both patterns when the time gap is not the same ?
02:19:715 (1,2,1,2) - ^
02:32:176 (3) - Hidden by the previous slider.
02:58:023 (3) - ^
03:12:215 (3) - Hidden by previous notes and hitbursts.
Luca
00:39:561 (7) - Completely hidden by previous notes and hitbursts.
00:40:484 (3,4,5) - Why are they spaced evenly when the time gap is not the same ?
00:41:407 (7,8,9) - ^
01:49:715 (1) - Completely hidden by previous notes and hitbursts.
03:00:330 (1) - Completely hidden by previous notes and hitbursts.
03:16:946 (1) - Using red lines to change slider speed is unrankable.
BASARA
02:27:100 (1) - Completely hidden by previous notes and hitbursts.
Oh, there was much more to mention, but I just wanted to mention all this.
And it got approved ? Come on.
Chroche
01:58:946 (3) - Hidden by the previous slider.
02:16:023 (1,2,1,2) - Why are (1) and (2) spaced the same way in both patterns when the time gap is not the same ?
02:19:715 (1,2,1,2) - ^
02:32:176 (3) - Hidden by the previous slider.
02:58:023 (3) - ^
03:12:215 (3) - Hidden by previous notes and hitbursts.
Luca
00:39:561 (7) - Completely hidden by previous notes and hitbursts.
00:40:484 (3,4,5) - Why are they spaced evenly when the time gap is not the same ?
00:41:407 (7,8,9) - ^
01:49:715 (1) - Completely hidden by previous notes and hitbursts.
03:00:330 (1) - Completely hidden by previous notes and hitbursts.
03:16:946 (1) - Using red lines to change slider speed is unrankable.
BASARA
02:27:100 (1) - Completely hidden by previous notes and hitbursts.
Oh, there was much more to mention, but I just wanted to mention all this.
And it got approved ? Come on.
You're kind of late
first of all..if they really are guidelines...then there can be expections
second. is the mapper is afk as people say. how do intend to fix these problems?
second. is the mapper is afk as people say. how do intend to fix these problems?
Why is using redlines for a different slider speed unrankable? Ive seen it in maps made by tsuka.
Also, as an experienced player, I have no trouble reading the maps at all. What is so wrong about this map anyway?
Also, as an experienced player, I have no trouble reading the maps at all. What is so wrong about this map anyway?
Odaril wrote:
Besides, the only thing approval maps are allowed to have that ranked maps don't is the SCORE. Approval maps ARE ranked maps at any point of view, they just don't add anything to the total score. Stop thinking approval maps are allowed to have extra features.
this is by far the stupidest thing i've heard in AGES
My status is quite so-so about this map. it's fun to play but yeah, there are some unrankable stuff.
There are some real rules (yes we have to make them clear) and the red-line-slider-speed-changing is one of them.
even if this is art, and approval, this is still a Rule.
Also
Oh common, stop thinking that breaking some guidelines means map is shit. Breaking some guidelines DOESN'T MEAN the quality is out. The guidelines are there to give a good idea of mapping. And the quality of a map is directly linked to the provided fun. Stop being so narrow minded, Odaril.
BTW this quote from peppy has been just taken from something about CTB, just sayin.
For your argument, this is what we try to avoid. "it happened in other maps". This is not a valuable argument. live in the present , not in the past.SilentWings wrote:
Ive seen it in maps made by tsuka.
There are some real rules (yes we have to make them clear) and the red-line-slider-speed-changing is one of them.
even if this is art, and approval, this is still a Rule.
For your information, approval is not only because of the score. it can be for difficulty, etc. That's why some things are not just long, but also extra-difficult.Odaril wrote:
Besides, the only thing approval maps are allowed to have that ranked maps don't is the SCORE. Approval maps ARE ranked maps at any point of view, they just don't add anything to the total score. Stop thinking approval maps are allowed to have extra features.
Oh, so you only care about fun maps ? What about map quality ? If a map breaks a rule - or as you put it, a GUIDELINE - it should NOT be considered good.
Also
Oh common, stop thinking that breaking some guidelines means map is shit. Breaking some guidelines DOESN'T MEAN the quality is out. The guidelines are there to give a good idea of mapping. And the quality of a map is directly linked to the provided fun. Stop being so narrow minded, Odaril.
BTW this quote from peppy has been just taken from something about CTB, just sayin.
Sushi wrote:
Oh common, stop thinking that breaking some guidelines means map is shit. Breaking some guidelines DOESN'T MEAN the quality is out. The guidelines are there to give a good idea of mapping. And the quality of a map is directly linked to the provided fun. Stop being so narrow minded, Odaril.
>_> thats what i was going to say....
anyway.. All because a map may be different from "normal" maps doesn't make it a bad map. I liked the map because it was different from what maps i've seen.
can you guys stop
we are human, when you check a mapset, use your head and heart
before someone say "don't just say these are guidelines" we're talking about quality and fun for the previous post (I hope)
if we're talking about the quality and fun of the map then theres nothing wrong is there...the mapset in general is greatSushi wrote:
before someone say "don't just say these are guidelines" we're talking about quality and fun for the previous post (I hope)
I was just referring to Alace's post.
Though I wonder if there is a way to submit the osz without unused files with help from admins, just for the sake of tidiness. Not like anyone's gonna really notice them.
Only thing i just dont get is whats the problem of waiting the mapper. Just saying.
Couuuld be done. but as i've heard that it's only 20kb it could really be ignored.TKiller wrote:
Though I wonder if there is a way to submit the osz without unused files with help from admins, just for the sake of tidiness. Not like anyone's gonna really notice them.
Also, what the fuck at the reasoning in this topic.
It has been done, I can do it too!No. Okay, listen. Ever played Lily Allen - Smile? Yes? Good. Ever want to play it again? No, of course. It's bad.
But the fact that a map like Smile exists would, by your logic, mean, that you can map like this and get it ranked. OF COURSE YOU CANNOT.
Guidelines and rules get stricter over time, leading to some things that have been done not being able to be done anymore.
Well, you of course can use slider slowdowns with red sections. But you can't get it ranked, due to the simple fact that peppy himself said that red sections should not be used for anything but actual timing changes which is really not a hard concept to grasp and which means that you can't do super slow sliders anymore. Use spinners or jesus christ something else. There's almost always a way to change a map from being unrankable and awesome to being rankable and still awesome.
It's only guidelines, BRAH, there should be exceptions!Sure there should be. For guidelines. The red lines thing is an actual rule. Because you can't, ever ever ever, use timing changes for slider slow downs or speed ups now. Because peppy said so. There is a reasoning behind this rule thing.
That being said, it appears that every other map wants to be an exception to the guidelines nowadays. What happened to making maps fun without being a special snowflake that has to breach guidelines all the time? Because, you know, maps that are fun and rankable exist.
Dude, the mapper hasn't been online in a while! Can't we just ignore that stuff?!The unused files? Sure. They're only 20kb and no one cares about those, even though it would be nice to have them removed.
The slider? I wouldn't like to ignore that, good sir. The reason it's unrankable is not a gameplay issue. it's a technical issue. Red timingpoints should just not be used for anything but timing changes. Want to bitch about that? Bitch to peppy.
That's all I have to say about this. I'm not sure what will happen to that map now. We'll see.
IMHO rules are very important and should be sticked to, the red section rule is also very important.. I mean who hasn't broke his combo on a hold slider yet?
This beatmap is really great, authentic and atmospheric.
What the mapper did at the end is indeed breaking the rules, but it makes sense at that point.
Rules are there to prevent senseless stuff to be made that may alter the playing experience in a bad way.
I guess we have a conflict here, and this once it would be just the best to leave it as it is, as it would be senseless to erase something that makes sense. (lolwut)
A lot of people love this map for the authentic and atmospheric way it has been created, messing around with it would just be bad. =/
+1 Alace's post
edit : -authentic +original
This beatmap is really great, authentic and atmospheric.
What the mapper did at the end is indeed breaking the rules, but it makes sense at that point.
Rules are there to prevent senseless stuff to be made that may alter the playing experience in a bad way.
I guess we have a conflict here, and this once it would be just the best to leave it as it is, as it would be senseless to erase something that makes sense. (lolwut)
A lot of people love this map for the authentic and atmospheric way it has been created, messing around with it would just be bad. =/
+1 Alace's post
edit : -authentic +original
btw, for the hold slider, i find a new way to solve, it could be work without a red line!
Download: Daisuke Achiwa - BASARA (100pa-) [ahahahaha].osu
the slider's picture:
and this is the slider's code:
rofl
Edit: is this lol rankable? hahahahahahahahah
btw, that slider needs extra 4kb in the .osu file, and it could be ignored for sure.
Download: Daisuke Achiwa - BASARA (100pa-) [ahahahaha].osu
the slider's picture:
and this is the slider's code:
SPOILER
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rofl
Edit: is this lol rankable? hahahahahahahahah
btw, that slider needs extra 4kb in the .osu file, and it could be ignored for sure.
okay thats a long code
looooooool
I thought about that way
you can even use speed change in a single slider lol
but you don`t have such a long slider usually
you can even use speed change in a single slider lol
but you don`t have such a long slider usually
Heh, that slider is great
T_T just wish mapper was there to /drama
T_T just wish mapper was there to /drama
Offering my two cents, like I always do when there is an argument:
I personally am not the greatest fan of how the particular mapset was mapped. I appreciate how the mapper tried to introduce a new mapping style to the game, but in my eyes the "style" needs some improving before it deserves all the praise it is getting at the moment.
Also, I have a feeling people rushed it a little bit given that the mapper was probably away for good, using it as a reason to approve the map without the changes it needs to make it better. I know, not every map is perfect, but any map can be made better, and I believe a map must be made as good as possible before it is ranked/approved. Especially when it contained a "technically unrankable" element (believe me, I don't believe for one second that hold sliders being unrankable makes any sense), the decision to express-approve the map was not the best choice to make. I do think there is no problem at all with that slider, but the bossman says otherwise, and in a community what the boss says goes.
Having said that, since it's approved already, I would not like to see this map unranked due to "technical issues." The map plays fine (it really does), and personally, the public likes it, and that is what counts. Map quality? A handful of modders do not define map quality; the public defines map quality. I'm not saying the map is of high quality, but I disagree with any claims that the map lakcs quality because it does not follow the guidelines.
Now go enjoy the map, no good in arguing what probably is worthless to argue in the first place.
P.S. ilu NatsumeRin
I personally am not the greatest fan of how the particular mapset was mapped. I appreciate how the mapper tried to introduce a new mapping style to the game, but in my eyes the "style" needs some improving before it deserves all the praise it is getting at the moment.
Also, I have a feeling people rushed it a little bit given that the mapper was probably away for good, using it as a reason to approve the map without the changes it needs to make it better. I know, not every map is perfect, but any map can be made better, and I believe a map must be made as good as possible before it is ranked/approved. Especially when it contained a "technically unrankable" element (believe me, I don't believe for one second that hold sliders being unrankable makes any sense), the decision to express-approve the map was not the best choice to make. I do think there is no problem at all with that slider, but the bossman says otherwise, and in a community what the boss says goes.
Having said that, since it's approved already, I would not like to see this map unranked due to "technical issues." The map plays fine (it really does), and personally, the public likes it, and that is what counts. Map quality? A handful of modders do not define map quality; the public defines map quality. I'm not saying the map is of high quality, but I disagree with any claims that the map lakcs quality because it does not follow the guidelines.
Now go enjoy the map, no good in arguing what probably is worthless to argue in the first place.
P.S. ilu NatsumeRin