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rustbell
yay sp+113
laport
awesome song star 8-)
Verdisphena

laport wrote:

awesome song and map, star 8-)
Dai
:)
keep shining
Mafiamaster
Beep

Bubble #2
ElxBeta
I have just one word for this map: Epic.

The game is also good.
Valde
GNA.
Andrea
The moment is finally arrived, guys. What do you guys think I'm gonna do? It's easy.

Approved~

Before starting complain, last slider on Luca can pass for this time.
Dangaard
yay gz ;)
Verdisphena
Congratz 100pa- x3!
Ekoro

osuplayer111 wrote:

The moment is finally arrived, guys. What do you guys think I'm gonna do? It's easy.

Approved~

Before starting complain, last slider on Luca can pass for this time.
I fucking love you osuplayer <3333333333

GJ for approved~
ElxBeta
I just gave this map a star and it's approved... awesome.

Congratulations!
Natteke
Let's start our challenge
Astom
Congratz :>!
Kite
Grats~~
Derekku
Just downloaded from web and I got a bunch of unused files in the folder including an old .osu [Cocona] with its respective background kokona.jpg. Also being unused is AlbumArtSmall.jpg and Folder.jpg.

After deleting the folder and redownloaded using osu!direct, the extra .osu and its background are gone, but the other two images are still there.

I just noticed that there's also an unused soft-sliderslide2.wav in the folder along with a silent soft-slidertick.wav. Sure, there's only two sliders in [BASARA] with the silenced ticks, but there should really be some feedback from the ticks rather than random silence (same with the couple sliders on [Luca]). And don't even get me started on the unacceptable hold slider.
Natteke
And here we go. IT'S TIME FOR BITCHING!
ouranhshc
good lord derek, can you give it a rest!
Selee
lol finally...
Beuchi

ouranhshc wrote:

good lord derek, can you give it a rest!
Geez, can't you just leave him ask for an explanation on why did it got approved with those "errors"? You do it too a lot of times <.<

Anyways, I'd like to have an explanation too. Unfortunately, "can pass for this time" isn't a good reason for me to let something totally unrankable getting ranked.
SamiPale
wtf, finally :)

edit

Beuchi-chan wrote:

Anyways, I'd like to have an explanation too. Unfortunately, "can pass for this time" isn't a good reason for me to let something totally unrankable getting ranked.
When osu! started most guys thought this map is too hard : http://osu.ppy.sh/s/1 , but now IMO no guys think so.
Anyways, it's an approved map and it's awesome enough to be accepted, isn't it?
xsrsbsns
Oh finally, grats!
Oh, more drama!
Ibuki Suika
finally
:D
KanbeKotori
good song and good map :D
NatsumeRin

Card N'FoRcE wrote:

Ok, after thinking and chatting with some users, i came with this conclusions:

- The files I pointed out are about 20kb, and i was told that a resubmit for this little much is silly.
^explanation for extra files. osu won't be crashed if we add 20kb files, considering the mapper is unavailable at the moment plz.

and before talking about rankable, 1st that's still "GUIDELINES" before peppy change it; 2nd this is a app map and could be given more available things. then 3rd, do you really need things to prevent things really become awesome? damn.

just say, for that "unrankable slider", do you can find sth with same effect? if you could, tell plz.
ignorethis
The reason why they let they pass is that the mapper's not available atm. If we still wait for him to get online, remove those two files, and then full submit, waiting for it to get bubbled #1, #2 and approved, how long will that take? Is it really worth the effort? Obviously no, these files are quite small and don't take up much space, neither do they affect the map by any measure.

Considering the sliders... yeah they do break the rules, but please tell me do they make the map less unplayable? It just plays as usual and nothing bad happens, and there are only a couple of them. Then why are we arguing over the slider issues for so long? Because it break the rules, then it's unrankable... Why can't we rank a map that plays well but violates the man-made rules? Does it mean that the rule is highly above anything, even the quality of a map? Let alone that some of those rules shouldn't be made in the first place.

If anyone's afraid this will be a beginning to violate the rules as mapper's wish, they don't need to worry. I believe the BATs know in which cases the map can be passed, and in which cases they can't.

Damn i'll have class soon, so I'll stop here. Correct me if I'm wrong.
kiririn_
Finally.. T^T
Aria

kiririn_ wrote:

Finally.. T^T
QAQ
eveless
o.o just want to say " finally"
rustbell
O_O
finally
Beuchi

ignorethis wrote:

The reason why they let they pass is that the mapper's not available atm.
This isn't a good reason... :/

ignorethis wrote:

Considering the sliders... yeah they do break the rules, but please tell me do they make the map less unplayable? It just plays as usual and nothing bad happens, and there are only a couple of them. Then why are we arguing over the slider issues for so long? Because it break the rules, then it's unrankable... Why can't we rank a map that plays well but violates the man-made rules? Does it mean that the rule is highly above anything, even the quality of a map? Let alone that some of those rules shouldn't be made in the first place.
Do I have to remind you that hold sliders were stated as totally unrankable by peppy? I don't really think there is any exception to this, unfortunately.
eveless

Beuchi-chan wrote:

ignorethis wrote:

The reason why they let they pass is that the mapper's not available atm.
This isn't a good reason... :/

ignorethis wrote:

Considering the sliders... yeah they do break the rules, but please tell me do they make the map less unplayable? It just plays as usual and nothing bad happens, and there are only a couple of them. Then why are we arguing over the slider issues for so long? Because it break the rules, then it's unrankable... Why can't we rank a map that plays well but violates the man-made rules? Does it mean that the rule is highly above anything, even the quality of a map? Let alone that some of those rules shouldn't be made in the first place.
Do I have to remind you that hold sliders were stated as totally unrankable by peppy? I don't really think there is any exception to this, unfortunately.

just hope you can stop
NatsumeRin
a good idea is to let peppy see this map and leave it for him to decide


if you really need to do so to keep the "rules"

map is for people to play, not rules.
rules means people can have a common sense about what they're playing and have fun with the maps. but once "more fun" could be found in a map then exceptions can be made, obviously.
ignorethis

Beuchi-chan wrote:

Do I have to remind you that hold sliders were stated as totally unrankable by peppy? I don't really think there is any exception to this, unfortunately.
I would happily accept it if someone comes and fix that slider (if anyone has the right to do it), but unranking and fixing it may not be the best solution, and may result in another thread trolling, then thread locked, trashed, and this map is forgot. I just don't want to see this map become Evans II or Still Doll II, though the latters are locked for different reasons. You're welcome to raise your own solution, too, as long as it's good for us all.

And why isn't the absense of the mapper a good reason? If he isn't here, then the only fate of this map is to be graveyarded?

[edit] nvm, I heard that no one has the right to do that.
Selee
Is it more fun to play like this compared to if i had to stick to the guidelines?
Ja, more fun than lots of maps
Pokie
ah D:
I'm late

congrats 8-)
Alace
Best of 2010 for sure
it`s pure art
Hakeru

Alace wrote:

Best of 2010 for sure
it`s pure art
Natteke

Alace wrote:

Best of 2010 for sure
it`s pure art
THIS.

Also about that hold slider. Jeez it's only 1 single slider. Did 100pa- put a dozen of timing sections to change slider speeds throughout the map?
This slider perfectly fits the song and map and it plays awesome as well. So what's the problem?
xierbaliti
D: 1x100
Shiro

NatsumeRin wrote:

and before talking about rankable, 1st that's still "GUIDELINES" before peppy change it; 2nd this is a app map and could be given more available things. then 3rd, do you really need things to prevent things really become awesome? damn.
Oh come on, don't you think these excuses are really stupid ? GUIDELINES, GUIDELINES, you people only know that word. But when one's map has an issue and the only thing you can think of to justify it is "they are only guidelines" then YES there's something seriously wrong. Stop thinking you're allowed to do anything just because no real rule was written.

Besides, the only thing approval maps are allowed to have that ranked maps don't is the SCORE. Approval maps ARE ranked maps at any point of view, they just don't add anything to the total score. Stop thinking approval maps are allowed to have extra features.
FURTHER EDIT: since people are too stupid to use what they call a brain when they read a sentence, I'll re-word it so that they can understand it without the risk of thinking: Approval maps differ from ranked maps only by allowed length, difficulty, or score. Mappers shouldn't allow themselves to do what they wouldn't do in ranked maps.

Oh, so you only care about fun maps ? What about map quality ? If a map breaks a rule - or as you put it, a GUIDELINE - it should NOT be considered good.
EDIT: for people are obviously not capable of reading all the thread before replying, I meant "good for ranking or approval". Stop being picky on me.

I didn't download the map by the way, I'm just replying to the dumbest excuse ever invented.



EDIT: don't start a flamewar here please, if you want to reply just PM me (preferably ingame).
yeahyeahyeahhh



Sorry I have nothing useful to add, this maps awesome.
Natteke

Odaril wrote:

Oh, so you only care about fun maps ? What about map quality ? If a map breaks a rule - or as you put it, a GUIDELINE - it should NOT be considered good.
Wait you are serious? Let me laugh harder.
Colin Hou
This SHOULD NOT be considered good? :?
Shiro
Good for ranking or approval, geez.
SilentWings_old
this map is awesome... please dont unrank D:
Shiro
Alright, let's see that map.

Chroche
01:58:946 (3) - Hidden by the previous slider.
02:16:023 (1,2,1,2) - Why are (1) and (2) spaced the same way in both patterns when the time gap is not the same ?
02:19:715 (1,2,1,2) - ^
02:32:176 (3) - Hidden by the previous slider.
02:58:023 (3) - ^
03:12:215 (3) - Hidden by previous notes and hitbursts.

Luca
00:39:561 (7) - Completely hidden by previous notes and hitbursts.
00:40:484 (3,4,5) - Why are they spaced evenly when the time gap is not the same ?
00:41:407 (7,8,9) - ^
01:49:715 (1) - Completely hidden by previous notes and hitbursts.
03:00:330 (1) - Completely hidden by previous notes and hitbursts.
03:16:946 (1) - Using red lines to change slider speed is unrankable.

BASARA
02:27:100 (1) - Completely hidden by previous notes and hitbursts.


Oh, there was much more to mention, but I just wanted to mention all this.
And it got approved ? Come on.
Natteke
You're kind of late
deadbeat
first of all..if they really are guidelines...then there can be expections
second. is the mapper is afk as people say. how do intend to fix these problems?
SilentWings_old
Why is using redlines for a different slider speed unrankable? Ive seen it in maps made by tsuka.
Also, as an experienced player, I have no trouble reading the maps at all. What is so wrong about this map anyway?
Galkan

Odaril wrote:

Besides, the only thing approval maps are allowed to have that ranked maps don't is the SCORE. Approval maps ARE ranked maps at any point of view, they just don't add anything to the total score. Stop thinking approval maps are allowed to have extra features.
this is by far the stupidest thing i've heard in AGES
lkp
ha-,-
Sushi
My status is quite so-so about this map. it's fun to play but yeah, there are some unrankable stuff.

SilentWings wrote:

Ive seen it in maps made by tsuka.
For your argument, this is what we try to avoid. "it happened in other maps". This is not a valuable argument. live in the present , not in the past.

There are some real rules (yes we have to make them clear) and the red-line-slider-speed-changing is one of them.

even if this is art, and approval, this is still a Rule.


Odaril wrote:

Besides, the only thing approval maps are allowed to have that ranked maps don't is the SCORE. Approval maps ARE ranked maps at any point of view, they just don't add anything to the total score. Stop thinking approval maps are allowed to have extra features.




Oh, so you only care about fun maps ? What about map quality ? If a map breaks a rule - or as you put it, a GUIDELINE - it should NOT be considered good.
For your information, approval is not only because of the score. it can be for difficulty, etc. That's why some things are not just long, but also extra-difficult.

Also

Oh common, stop thinking that breaking some guidelines means map is shit. Breaking some guidelines DOESN'T MEAN the quality is out. The guidelines are there to give a good idea of mapping. And the quality of a map is directly linked to the provided fun. Stop being so narrow minded, Odaril.



BTW this quote from peppy has been just taken from something about CTB, just sayin.
ouranhshc

Sushi wrote:

Oh common, stop thinking that breaking some guidelines means map is shit. Breaking some guidelines DOESN'T MEAN the quality is out. The guidelines are there to give a good idea of mapping. And the quality of a map is directly linked to the provided fun. Stop being so narrow minded, Odaril.

>_> thats what i was going to say....

anyway.. All because a map may be different from "normal" maps doesn't make it a bad map. I liked the map because it was different from what maps i've seen.
Alace


can you guys stop
we are human, when you check a mapset, use your head and heart
Sushi
before someone say "don't just say these are guidelines" we're talking about quality and fun for the previous post (I hope)
deadbeat

Sushi wrote:

before someone say "don't just say these are guidelines" we're talking about quality and fun for the previous post (I hope)
if we're talking about the quality and fun of the map then theres nothing wrong is there...the mapset in general is great
Sushi
I was just referring to Alace's post.
TKiller
Though I wonder if there is a way to submit the osz without unused files with help from admins, just for the sake of tidiness. Not like anyone's gonna really notice them.
Bittersweet
Only thing i just dont get is whats the problem of waiting the mapper. Just saying.
Larto

TKiller wrote:

Though I wonder if there is a way to submit the osz without unused files with help from admins, just for the sake of tidiness. Not like anyone's gonna really notice them.
Couuuld be done. but as i've heard that it's only 20kb it could really be ignored.


Also, what the fuck at the reasoning in this topic.
It has been done, I can do it too!
No. Okay, listen. Ever played Lily Allen - Smile? Yes? Good. Ever want to play it again? No, of course. It's bad.
But the fact that a map like Smile exists would, by your logic, mean, that you can map like this and get it ranked. OF COURSE YOU CANNOT.
Guidelines and rules get stricter over time, leading to some things that have been done not being able to be done anymore.
Well, you of course can use slider slowdowns with red sections. But you can't get it ranked, due to the simple fact that peppy himself said that red sections should not be used for anything but actual timing changes which is really not a hard concept to grasp and which means that you can't do super slow sliders anymore. Use spinners or jesus christ something else. There's almost always a way to change a map from being unrankable and awesome to being rankable and still awesome.

It's only guidelines, BRAH, there should be exceptions!
Sure there should be. For guidelines. The red lines thing is an actual rule. Because you can't, ever ever ever, use timing changes for slider slow downs or speed ups now. Because peppy said so. There is a reasoning behind this rule thing.
That being said, it appears that every other map wants to be an exception to the guidelines nowadays. What happened to making maps fun without being a special snowflake that has to breach guidelines all the time? Because, you know, maps that are fun and rankable exist.

Dude, the mapper hasn't been online in a while! Can't we just ignore that stuff?!
The unused files? Sure. They're only 20kb and no one cares about those, even though it would be nice to have them removed.
The slider? I wouldn't like to ignore that, good sir. The reason it's unrankable is not a gameplay issue. it's a technical issue. Red timingpoints should just not be used for anything but timing changes. Want to bitch about that? Bitch to peppy.

That's all I have to say about this. I'm not sure what will happen to that map now. We'll see.
Kite
IMHO rules are very important and should be sticked to, the red section rule is also very important.. I mean who hasn't broke his combo on a hold slider yet?

This beatmap is really great, authentic and atmospheric.
What the mapper did at the end is indeed breaking the rules, but it makes sense at that point.
Rules are there to prevent senseless stuff to be made that may alter the playing experience in a bad way.
I guess we have a conflict here, and this once it would be just the best to leave it as it is, as it would be senseless to erase something that makes sense. (lolwut)

A lot of people love this map for the authentic and atmospheric way it has been created, messing around with it would just be bad. =/

+1 Alace's post

edit : -authentic +original
NatsumeRin
btw, for the hold slider, i find a new way to solve, it could be work without a red line!
Download: Daisuke Achiwa - BASARA (100pa-) [ahahahaha].osu

the slider's picture:

and this is the slider's code:
SPOILER
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rofl


Edit: is this lol rankable? hahahahahahahahah

btw, that slider needs extra 4kb in the .osu file, and it could be ignored for sure.

ouranhshc
okay thats a long code
Fight69
looooooool
Alace
I thought about that way
you can even use speed change in a single slider lol
but you don`t have such a long slider usually
Kite
Heh, that slider is great
T_T just wish mapper was there to /drama
Larto
KRZY
Offering my two cents, like I always do when there is an argument:

I personally am not the greatest fan of how the particular mapset was mapped. I appreciate how the mapper tried to introduce a new mapping style to the game, but in my eyes the "style" needs some improving before it deserves all the praise it is getting at the moment.

Also, I have a feeling people rushed it a little bit given that the mapper was probably away for good, using it as a reason to approve the map without the changes it needs to make it better. I know, not every map is perfect, but any map can be made better, and I believe a map must be made as good as possible before it is ranked/approved. Especially when it contained a "technically unrankable" element (believe me, I don't believe for one second that hold sliders being unrankable makes any sense), the decision to express-approve the map was not the best choice to make. I do think there is no problem at all with that slider, but the bossman says otherwise, and in a community what the boss says goes.

Having said that, since it's approved already, I would not like to see this map unranked due to "technical issues." The map plays fine (it really does), and personally, the public likes it, and that is what counts. Map quality? A handful of modders do not define map quality; the public defines map quality. I'm not saying the map is of high quality, but I disagree with any claims that the map lakcs quality because it does not follow the guidelines.

Now go enjoy the map, no good in arguing what probably is worthless to argue in the first place.






P.S. ilu NatsumeRin
deadbeat
i think its safe to say the public have deemed it to be a good quailty map...i can't remember the last approved map to reach 3000 plays this fast.....
eveless
about the quality:
we can see how much futher the map goes , but not unrank

that i means

maybe unrank will kill the map
Verdisphena
Oh god no again ;_;
Aria

Verdisphena wrote:

Oh god no again ;_;
Lunah_old


I guess this is a special case.
NotShinta
It's not a guideline though, it's a rule. There's a bloody difference, as we've discussed far too often!

So yeah, didn't we have this exact same argument last week, with approval added for extra fun? Yeah, this is getting boring, and I really wish you would start listening, people. (@ no-one in particular)

P.S. I have no opinion of whether this should be unapproved or not. The harm's kind of already been done, and I would mention another map but fear I would sound like a fanboy.
Lunah_old

NotShinta wrote:

It's not a guideline though, it's a rule.
lol ?

so, maybe you don't understand, i'll repeat you :





This is seriously the best map ever, don't kill it. i'm asking please.
Shiro
Except using red lines for actual timing changes only is a rule and that's the main problem here.
Jarby


Also, care to prove why your map is special?
Lunah_old

Jarby wrote:

Also, care to prove why your map is special?
Also, care to prove why it is not special ?


it is one of best maps ever, it is so fucking funny to play .. You don't play, so maybe you can't understand.

I think we can ignore this little particular about the red line , it is 100 % playable. and this timing does not affect the gameplay
dNextGen
let me post here before this thread is locked

inb4 lock
banvi
wh...what happen
me sad :cry:
Natteke

Jarby wrote:

Also, care to prove why your map is special?
It's challenging, smooth, has cool hitsounds and original patterns. But I guess it's just a question of taste.
Also this map was favourited 20+ times before it was approved so probably there's something about it that makes people like it.
xsrsbsns

Jarby wrote:

Also, care to prove why your map is special?
..Uhh how is it not special? I'll be honest, your ztrout was special too. Not sarcastic.

KRZY wrote:

The map plays fine (it really does), and personally, the public likes it, and that is what counts. Map quality? A handful of modders do not define map quality; the public defines map quality. I'm not saying the map is of high quality, but I disagree with any claims that the map lakcs quality because it does not follow the guidelines.
Edit: @Jarby: I'm not saying it's relevant whatsoever, just telling you as an addition..
Jarby

xsrsbsns wrote:

Jarby wrote:

Also, care to prove why your map is special?
..Uhh how is it not special? I'll be honest, your ztrout was special too. Not sarcastic.

KRZY wrote:

The map plays fine (it really does), and personally, the public likes it, and that is what counts. Map quality? A handful of modders do not define map quality; the public defines map quality. I'm not saying the map is of high quality, but I disagree with any claims that the map lakcs quality because it does not follow the guidelines.
Except ztrout is completely irrelevant and didn't break any rules in the first place. I don't see why an exception has to be made for this.
Ballance
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Heatherfield
unrank? that would be make Jerrysr's Evans' unrank nolonger the "worst unrank ever" that's just awesome rofl
srsly, Jarby is so successful at making "special" maps, many new players down here don't even know about Al-azif or Darri, but they know ZTROUT! sounds COOL, isn't it?
Mismagius

Odaril wrote:

Besides, the only thing approval maps are allowed to have that ranked maps don't is the SCORE..

Where you high when you wrote this


No, seriously


Becuase you MUST be to say something like that
Larto

"Lunah" "Natteke" "Heatherfield wrote:

blablabla
DO NOT KILL MODDERS' SPIRITS
Jarby

Heatherfield wrote:

unrank? that would be make Jerrysr's Evans' unrank nolonger the "worst unrank ever" that's just awesome rofl
srsly, Jarby is so successful at making "special" maps, many new players down here don't even know about Al-azif or Darri, but they know ZTROUT! sounds COOL, isn't it?


The posting of this image has been sponsored by Larto.
Mismagius

Natteke wrote:

Jarby wrote:

Also, care to prove why your map is special?
It's challenging, smooth, has cool hitsounds and original patterns. But it guess it's just a question of taste.
Also this map was favourited 20+ times before it was approved so probably there's something about it that makes people like it.
heh
Garven
Congrats, 100pa-! Good stuff, this.
Faust
100pa- must be really flattered about all this. People can't seem to get enough !


Wuiss
Unrank this @ Get pwned.

~
Lunah_old

ephemeral wrote:

ok
miku
It's a nice map
Shiro
Let's get things right here. There was obviously too many misunderstandings, which lead to this flamewar.

First of all, my mod. I tried to point out errors in the map that justified an unrank, because that one unrankable slider didn't seem to be enough for most people to justify it. Most of the issues I said are indeed not unrankable, but unranks were done previously because of these, so I thought pointing some of them out was a good idea. My idea was to justify the unrank to make it happen so that the unrankable stuff could be fixed, then the map get approved again.

I know I worded many of my sentences wrong, and that lead to great misunderstandings and useless flames. Alright, english is NOT my first language (inb4 that's an excuse) and I am not always capable of saying what I mean the way I mean it. And people are not always capable to understand sentences the way they are supposed to be understood. That's what makes a language rich, but it can backfire.

The main argument used by people who wanted to keep the map approved was "these are only guidelines". For the nth time, the fact red lines are to be used only for actual timing changes is a rule. Besides, as I already said, when the only thing you can think of to justify something you did in your map is "it's only a guideline, it can be broken" there is something seriously wrong about what you did. 'They are only guidelines" is not a valid justification.

Then I was insulted in several ways. Ok, fine, that happens from time to time, let it be.

As for the "it was done, I can do too" argument, it's just plainly stupid. What has been done shouldn't always be done again. That's how one learn from their mistakes.

The map was approved while the mapper was away, so that the fixes that could have made the map even better could not be applied ? Why such a rush ? Having the map in pending, in graveyard, or approved doesn't change anything to the fact anyone can play it anytime.

I could apologize. I should, actually. But I need to take responsibility for what I say and think. I know I don't have the right way of saying things, but if everyone was always told what they want to hear, how could they ever improve ? If I ever looked conceited or arrogant, know that I didn't mean to at all, and that I've only been fighting for this to get unranked so that the unrankable issues could be fixed. Unranking it without fixing the issues would just have been a bad idea.

Now if you consider me responsible for all this flamewar, feel free to punish me any way you want, but just stop arguing over spilt milk. What's done is done. We need to be careful and not let this happen again. It's better to make sure this kind of thing won't happen ever again.

/thread
Faust
SPOILER

Odaril wrote:

Let's get things right here. There was obviously too many misunderstandings, which lead to this flamewar.

First of all, my mod. I tried to point out errors in the map that justified an unrank, because that one unrankable slider didn't seem to be enough for most people to justify it. Most of the issues I said are indeed unrankable, but unranks were done previously because of these, so I thought pointing some of them out was a good idea. My idea was to justify the unrank to make it happen so that the unrankable stuff could be fixed, then the map get approved again.

I know I worded many of my sentences wrong, and that lead to great misunderstandings and useless flames. Alright, english is NOT my first language (inb4 that's an excuse) and I am not always capable of saying what I mean the way I mean it. And people are not always capable to understand sentences the way they are supposed to be understood. That's what makes a language rich, but it can backfire.

The main argument used by people who wanted to keep the map approved was "these are only guidelines". For the nth time, the fact red lines are to be used only for actual timing changes is a rule. Besides, as I already said, when the only thing you can think of to justify something you did in your map is "it's only a guideline, it can be broken" there is something seriously wrong about what you did. 'They are only guidelines" is not a valid justification.

Then I was insulted in several ways. Ok, fine, that happens from time to time, let it be.

As for the "it was done, I can do too" argument, it's just plainly stupid. What has been done shouldn't always be done again. That's how one learn from their mistakes.

The map was approved while the mapper was away, so that the fixes that could have made the map even better could not be applied ? Why such a rush ? Having the map in pending, in graveyard, or approved doesn't change anything to the fact anyone can play it anytime.

I could apologize. I should, actually. But I need to take responsibility for what I say and think. I know I don't have the right way of saying things, but if everyone was always told what they want to hear, how could they ever improve ? If I ever looked conceited or arrogant, know that I didn't mean to at all, and that I've only been fighting for this to get unranked so that the unrankable issues could be fixed. Unranking it without fixing the issues would just have been a bad idea.

Now if you consider me responsible for all this flamewar, feel free to punish me any way you want, but just stop arguing over spilt milk. What's done is done. We need to be careful and not let this happen again. It's better to make sure this kind of thing won't happen ever again.

/thread

It may seem weird. But I'm actually proud of you for this.

People make a big fuss over an unrank. It's like it's their given right to see this get ranked. I disliked how 100pa- was away and this happened. Did no one think about him?
ouranhshc
you were insulted?
DeathxShinigami
Odaril needs to stop that is all.
TKiller
disregard that I'm a pony
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