How to get stream accuracy? practice. you need to practice to be able to visualise in your head what the stream is going to sound like in relation to the music.
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This maybe a very specialized case, but OP may have a valid reason here. I haven't yet passed Six trillion years and overnight story [0108] but there's one part of it where it seems to not be 1/2's or 1/4's but, yet 1/3's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv2GnEXUr6U @ 2:40 is the part im referring to. I see that cookie single'd that part, but 1/3's at 180 bpm is a shocking 270 bpm.
All-in-all, is that part 1/3's ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv2GnEXUr6U @ 2:40 is the part im referring to. I see that cookie single'd that part, but 1/3's at 180 bpm is a shocking 270 bpm.
All-in-all, is that part 1/3's ?
why don't you check in editor?
Not home and this was a rather impromptu response to support op's point, I consider myself a decent reader, yet this part confused me. I played the map twice and i streamed it to no avail and I remembered it and played it again reminding myself to single tap to no avail. It's either 1/3rd's or I am a considerably worse reader than I once thought.B1rd wrote:
why don't you check in editor?
I even just did the math to figure out what bpm it was.
1/3s are slower than 1/4s (or 1/8s? osu!'s timing system really wigs me out to be honest). That part is slower than all of the other streams.Clappy wrote:
1/3's at 180 bpm is a shocking 270 bpm.
I assume all beats 1/2's because I single tap them instead of alternating. 180 bpm 1/3 beats equate to a 270 bpm single tap, see the math above to see my reasoning. It would also explain not being able to single tap them or stream them.Narrill wrote:
1/3s are slower than 1/4s (or 1/8s? osu!'s timing system really wigs me out to be honest). That part is slower than all of the other streams.Clappy wrote:
1/3's at 180 bpm is a shocking 270 bpm.
i dont know, i think most people should be able to singletap rainbow tylenol singles which is the same as 270 right? i don't think it's that bad. and streaming them would be even easier, effortless even since you just have to go 135 with each finger...
you don't exactly need to write down just to calculate the bpm of 1/3 notes..
but 135bpm should be very easy to stream, and singletap as well for most people.
but 135bpm should be very easy to stream, and singletap as well for most people.
Not the point, in most maps you have either halfs and quarters or thirds and sixths. This map contains halfs, thirds and, quarters. The thirds part fit very well but I wasn't able to read it due to me expecting quarter notes. It other maps with random parts they contain notes when you download them saying, there's a 1/6 stream like silver temple for example.Riince wrote:
i dont know, i think most people should be able to singletap rainbow tylenol singles which is the same as 270 right? i don't think it's that bad. and streaming them would be even easier, effortless even since you just have to go 135 with each finger...
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/59345
and this is even worse 270 note streaming is exceptionally high, jesus1412 and elysion status.
cuz in that map u singletap in a straight line for 2 minutes totally yeahRiince wrote:
i dont know, i think most people should be able to singletap rainbow tylenol singles which is the same as 270 right? i don't think it's that bad. and streaming them would be even easier, effortless even since you just have to go 135 with each finger...
well its never going to be buffed simply on the merits of reading because tom said on his ask.fm that he doesnt find that kind of confusing bpm changes confusing or difficult
Don't single tap them? I feel like that would be obvious.Clappy wrote:
I assume all beats 1/2's because I single tap them instead of alternating. 180 bpm 1/3 beats equate to a 270 bpm single tap, see the math above to see my reasoning. It would also explain not being able to single tap them or stream them.
They aren't confusing or difficult but they should be noted somewhere because when playing a map I expect the bpm to stay the same unless otherwise noted. Check this map out for example: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/65923Riince wrote:
well its never going to be buffed simply on the merits of reading because tom said on his ask.fm that he doesnt find that kind of confusing bpm changes confusing or difficult
The bpm does stay the same, it's just the rhythm that changes. It's your responsibility to read that.
Unless otherwise noted, I should either be able to single tap or stream notes because there isnt any notification saying HEY THERE'S 1/3's IN THIS MAP. Is that hard to understand? I thought my whole sight read was fucked.Narrill wrote:
Don't single tap them? I feel like that would be obvious.
"Stream" isn't an input paradigm. You either single-tap or alternate, and there shouldn't have to be notifications to help you read the rhythm. You're supposed to do that on your own.
The rhythm changes if and only if the bpm changes.Narrill wrote:
The bpm does stay the same, it's just the rhythm that changes. It's your responsibility to read that.
No, that's not correct at all. Musical rhythm isn't confined to 1/2s and 1/4s.
No you shouldn't "either be able to single tap or stream notes because there isnt any notification saying HEY THERE'S 1/3's IN THIS MAP". if the map was any slower you probably could singletap those notes even when they're 1/3. Also, there's no reason to make a notification for 1/3's, as much as there's no reason to write a note about silly fullscreenjumps at the end of some map, or anything for that matter. You play the map, and if you didn't read it properly, then in most cases your sight-reading is just bad.
Clappy wrote:
They aren't confusing or difficult but they should be noted somewhere because when playing a map I expect the bpm to stay the same unless otherwise noted. Check this map out for example: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/65923Riince wrote:
well its never going to be buffed simply on the merits of reading because tom said on his ask.fm that he doesnt find that kind of confusing bpm changes confusing or difficult
bpm listed there and the and Dake's mapping reflects the accelerando decently well imo and flows fine
That is correct however most maps are founded on the idea of single tapping and streaming. [1/2's and 1/4's] its not like the 1/3's are just thrown in there willy nilly but they're exceptionly rare. Rare to the point that, a month of supporter goes to you if can name 5 maps within 10 minutes that contain three of the following: 1/2's, 1/3's and 1/4's. If 5 exist in the game that are ranked.Narrill wrote:
No, that's not correct at all. Musical rhythm isn't confined to 1/2s and 1/4s.
Are you joking? I can't throw them out by name, but there are dozens upon dozens of maps with 1/2s, 1/3s, and 1/4s. And even if there weren't, mapping conventions aren't sufficient to warrant notification of irregular rhythm. It's up to the player to read the rhythm, and believe you me, it's entirely readable.
so ur describing the difference between songs in common time and compound timeClappy wrote:
That is correct however most maps are founded on the idea of single tapping and streaming. [1/2's and 1/4's] its not like the 1/3's are just thrown in there willy nilly but they're exceptionly rare. Rare to the point that, a month of supporter goes to you if can name 5 maps within 10 minutes that contain three of the following: 1/2's, 1/3's and 1/4's. If 5 exist in the game that are ranked.Narrill wrote:
No, that's not correct at all. Musical rhythm isn't confined to 1/2s and 1/4s.
I'm not saying it's not readable, but it's rare enough to the point that I feel there should be a notifaction about them as there are in other maps. It's 100% upto the player to read the rhythm but when there aren't enough maps to practice 1/2's, 1/3's and 1/4's there should be a notifaction about them.Narrill wrote:
Are you joking? I can't throw them out by name, but there are dozens upon dozens of maps with 1/2s, 1/3s, and 1/4s. And even if there weren't, mapping conventions aren't sufficient to warrant notification of irregular rhythm. It's up to the player to read the rhythm, and believe you me, it's entirely readable.
you're actually serious? lol.
Your feels are noted.
Not exactly an instrument player but I know enough about the game to say that 99%+ of the maps are founded on halfs and quarters or thirds and sixths. One of the few rare cases in which halfs, thirds and quarters are applicable to the song, there should be some notification about because it is out of the standard mapping convention.Apink Chorong wrote:
so ur describing the difference between songs in common time and compound time
B1rd wrote:
you're actually serious? lol.
Hey I'll extend it, 5 ranked maps with halfs, thirds, and quarters. I'll make it 24 hours. Are there actually a decent number of (ranked) maps with this convention? If so, please show me so I get something new to practice and you get your month of supporter.Narrill wrote:
Your feels are noted.
That's the thing, it's not out of standard mapping convention. It's out of most mappers' tendencies, but standard mapping convention is totally alright with non-standard rhythms. I would even go so far as to say they're a staple of high-level maps.
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/145361Clappy wrote:
That is correct however most maps are founded on the idea of single tapping and streaming. [1/2's and 1/4's] its not like the 1/3's are just thrown in there willy nilly but they're exceptionly rare. Rare to the point that, a month of supporter goes to you if can name 5 maps within 10 minutes that contain three of the following: 1/2's, 1/3's and 1/4's. If 5 exist in the game that are ranked.Narrill wrote:
No, that's not correct at all. Musical rhythm isn't confined to 1/2s and 1/4s.
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/361263
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/56347
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/215238
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/187410
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/392220
want more?
CXu wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/145361
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/361263
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/56347
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/215238
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/187410
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/392220
want more?
If they actually contain 1/2's, 1/3's and 1/4's I'm a man of my word and you'll get a month of supporter but, 7 maps that I now currently now of that contain this convention out of how many total ranked maps on osu? It's still shockingly rare and I thank you for finding these for me.
EDIT: Still enough to warrant a notification in my eyes. 8 maps* forgot to count silver temple.
It's uncommon, but it isn't rare, and it isn't something you should have to be notified about. Other such notifications don't exist.
I don't need a month of supporter really, my point is that took me less than 10 minutes to actually remember and find. Having 1/3's are rarer, yes, but they're not as rare as you think they are. 1/3's are essentially a stream of 4 notes instead of 5 notes evenly spaced inbetween a 1/1, and you can play them as a slow stream, or you can play them as singletapping if they're slow enough for your singletapping speed. You're basically complaining about a set of notes being outside your comfort zone of both singletapping and streaming.
You only know what you practice and can you say the peruvial "play more 1/2's, 1/3's and 1/4's" when there's 8 maps with this convention? Either throw more of them in osu so people can read it or notify the players that this is something new.Narrill wrote:
It's uncommon, but it isn't rare, and it isn't something you should have to be notified about. Other such notifications don't exist.
If notes whilst sliders could all of sudden be ranked wouldn't you want a notification about that, so you're not like wdf is going on with my life? I know I hit that slider? [This is a very crude, rudementary example but you get the point]
The point is it's not something new and there's a ton more than 8 maps as you're saying that uses 1/3's 1/6's or even 1/12's or whatever the song calls for.
There would be a notification about that as it's actually a change in ranking convention. After the notification, however, it would be up to the player to recognize such patterns on their own. That's how this works.Clappy wrote:
If notes whilst sliders could all of sudden be ranked wouldn't you want a notification about that, so you're not like wdf is going on with my life? I know I hit that slider? [This is a very crude, rudementary example but you get the point]
Actually took you 14 minutes (hue) and it still further proves my point of how rare this convention is. 8 out the tens of thousands of maps with this, rare enough to warrant a notifaction such as silver temple. You can say my sight read is shit and I'll never be the WWW if I can't read this but with shockingly few maps with them, how am i expected to read it?CXu wrote:
I don't need a month of supporter really, my point is that took me less than 10 minutes to actually remember and find. Having 1/3's are rarer, yes, but they're not as rare as you think they are. 1/3's are essentially a stream of 4 notes instead of 5 notes evenly spaced inbetween a 1/1, and you can play them as a slow stream, or you can play them as singletapping if they're slow enough for your singletapping speed. You're basically complaining about a set of notes being outside your comfort zone of both singletapping and streaming.
Okay, you want more examples? I'm not even a standard player, and I still know a bunch off the top of my head:
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/27977
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/102005
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/8284
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/26071
etc
I have a lot more maps in my head, but I'm not sure if they use 1/3 in the standard diff of just in taiko (I'm a taiko player, where 1/3 and 1/6 usage is much more common), so I didn't list them.
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/27977
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/102005
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/8284
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/26071
etc
I have a lot more maps in my head, but I'm not sure if they use 1/3 in the standard diff of just in taiko (I'm a taiko player, where 1/3 and 1/6 usage is much more common), so I didn't list them.
Luna wrote:
Okay, you want more examples? I'm not even a standard player, and I still know a bunch off the top of my head:
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/27977
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/102005
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/8284
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/26071
etc
I have a lot more maps in my head, but I'm not sure if they use 1/3 in the standard diff of just in taiko (I'm a taiko player, where 1/3 and 1/6 usage is much more common), so I didn't list them.
For every 1 map with, lets call it compound timing. There's a 1000 maps with conventional timing, rare enough to say hey this is something new. I'm almost 13,000 plays in and this something new and shocking i have to learn.