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Introducing the Mapping Assistance Team!

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Pasonia
Hey folks, I guess some of you by now would've noticed that twenty-plus people now have a purple name. Whoa?

These guys, henceforth, are your Mapping Assistance Team members, and with that, there are some key procedural changes in requesting for beatmap moderation.

Previously, the example scenario would be that a BAT is approached by a mapper requesting for a mod, and if the minimum pre-requisites are met the moderation will occur. Player-moderation, professional or otherwise, is entirely optional.

However, with the new MAT-to-BAT system, a mapper will now be encouraged to first approach a MAT member. The MAT will assess the beatmap and then deliver recommendations to the BAT, who will then look at the maps and decide if the maps are indeed of rankable standards, just as before. A BAT can, however, skip this step if he/she finds a map of high quality that hasn't been picked up by a MAT yet.

To put it in a simpler way, the MAT is a standards-assurance buffer, as well as our way of getting the community more involved in beatmap moderation. The MAT is our way of recognising the efforts of our player-moderators, and each member invited into the team have proven, sturdy track records of good beatmap moderation.

To know who's in the team, click this.

Once again, a very warm welcome to the newly-appointed MATs. Y'all deserved to be a MAT for all that you've contributed to the community. o.<b

Want to be a MAT too? Check this space soon!
minyeob
Red color is the worst
May this system works......
NoHitter
Congratulations to the new MATs.:)

And to their temporary leader Ephemeral, a thanks for handling the team until the permanent leader arrives. :D

I have high hopes for this team!
Ephemeral
Before people start asking: yes, I am the interim manager of the MAT, and yes, the MAT will operate on an open application basis which means effectively anybody who mods decently and does enough of it can get into the team within a decent time period.

So if you didn't get chosen on the initial run, keep your eyes peeled for application postings sometime in the near future - they will be happening, rest assured!
Andrea
Congratulations to all the new MATs!

Have fun, and help people :D
Jarby

Pasonia wrote:

Want to be a MAT too? Check this space soon!
I fail to see how checking this space would make me a MAT.
Nachy
I kind of find the acronym funny lol, MAT heehee

anyways congrats to the assigned MATs and good luck to them :)
lukewarmholiday
If Umineko 5 wasn't released I'd be modding again :V
Zekira
a mapper will now be required to first approach a MAT member.
...uh? I must have misunderstood something lol, I thought MAT-approval was optional lol, but anyway this should still be good (and maybe even better)
lukewarmholiday

Zekira wrote:

a mapper will now be required to first approach a MAT member.
...uh? I must have misunderstood something lol, I thought MAT-approval was optional lol, but anyway this should still be good (and maybe even better)
Sounds fine to me
Jeffro
So we now have to beg MAT's to pleeeease check our maps now lol, I'm curious though if a MAT actually gives us a "MAT-bubble" so to speak if BAT's will really go ahead and check it our. I hope this system will avoid many graves. :)

Good luck to all!
Sleep Powder
Does MAT have to follow any specific rules?
Zekira

animask wrote:

Does MAT have to follow any specific rules?
Basically our rules are almost identical to what BATs follow.
Atmey
DeathxShinigami
I'm not in agreement with Agnes or Shinde being on the team but everything else just looks dandy!
Wojjan
It's over.
We are making this into an assebly line.
where doing it man
Zekira

Atmey wrote:

I'm sorry, I lol'd so hard...
Nakata Yuji

Atmey wrote:

Priceless.
Sousei
DUDE OMFG I WANT TO BE A MAT!! I WANT THAT PURPLE NAME SO MUCHUCHUCH SUAHDAS DSADLJASKLAS;!



no i don't really want to be a matgaygyayg :], BUT HOW CAN I GET A PURPLE NAME? WAAAAAAAAA

Congrats you guys :]

SHINXYN AND EIRROL SITTING IN A TREE.
EEeee
MAT, looks good, i'm looking forward to see how much this works ^^'
Good luck guys ^^'
Doomsday
New mod team? A nice little addition to the mod workforce. I have to admit though, some of the choices for MAT members seem a bit odd. Some do not seem to have much experience if their kudosu and ranked maps are any indication. Nevertheless, congrats to all MAT members!
Xgor
I hope that this will make that my maps get ranked a bit faster than before :3
It would be interesting to be a MAT somewhere in the future but i guess i lack experience.

Also, what's next? HATs? CATs?
Real1
*Rolls out the red MAT for the purple MAT's.*
aRiskOfRain

Wojjan wrote:

where doing it man
where MAKING this hapen

Congrats to the new MATs.

See, that rhymes.
Jeffro

Nakata Yuji wrote:

Atmey wrote:

Priceless.
Couldn't agree more! XD
Mashley
Why do I need mapping assistance when I have more experience than almost anyone on the team? This is just another step to make getting a map ranked even more needlessly difficult. Why can't these people just be BATs?
Real1

Agent Spin Here wrote:

Why do I need mapping assistance when I have more experience than almost anyone on the team? This is just another step to make getting a map ranked even more needlessly difficult. Why can't these people just be BATs?
I feel a bit like this. However, I won't judge this system just yet. Maybe it actually speeds up the process.
arien666
Congraduations for every MATs :3
Anyway...

/me doesn't have any other comments.
Gabi
im sorry but what do we gain from this? is this a project to make it easier for BATs, or make it easier for mappers? to me it feels like you pass on the "dirty work" to MATs, which are IMO normal modders.

this is like the current system lol.

what is the difference between a MAT and a normal modder? other then MAT supposedly have a stronger voice then normal modders?
Sure
Yeah, seems good system.
But, more BAT member is effective way IMO.
I don't think it will be better than now.
Anyway, let's see how this system will works well.
Yuukari-Banteki
to clarify: BAT are still allowed to mod maps that haven't been MAT-approved. However, we ARE more LIKELY to mod maps that have been proto-bubbled because they tend to restore our faith in humanity a little from modding the ones that aren't :P In all seriousness, this is a step up from our earlier system in that the people who mod well but are not ready to become BAT yet are both recognized and given a small taste of the power a BAT has, effectively serving both as a trial run for our future BATs, a beacon of hope for those aspiring to a red name, and a more effective quality control than the typical "I like this song and I'm a noob who can't tell quality so Imma star your map so it gets ranked for the prettiful song" that we had going before.
Ephemeral

Gabi wrote:

im sorry but what do we gain from this? is this a project to make it easier for BATs, or make it easier for mappers? to me it feels like you pass on the "dirty work" to MATs, which are IMO normal modders.

this is like the current system lol.

what is the difference between a MAT and a normal modder? other then MAT supposedly have a stronger voice then normal modders?
Most BAT will now draw their attention to proto-bubbled maps selected by the MAT as opposed to taking standard mod requests or using a queue. Considering the number of the MAT, this effectively makes them managers of one big BAT wide modding queue and unites both the community and the team on one front as they act through the same conduit.

MAT are just normal modders who have proven that they are capable of handling a position of somewhat elevated status and are generally interested in contributing more to the community.
EEeee

Gabi wrote:

im sorry but what do we gain from this? is this a project to make it easier for BATs, or make it easier for mappers? to me it feels like you pass on the "dirty work" to MATs, which are IMO normal modders.

this is like the current system lol.

what is the difference between a MAT and a normal modder? other then MAT supposedly have a stronger voice then normal modders?
^^' nice words, i couldn't have put it better myself,I like my Normal modder status, some of and i do see some of the players saying stuff like "oh wow, i want a purple name, I want to become a MAT" but i don't see why can't a player like I, who likes to mod would want a purple name. probably if it's to be noticed as a modder, then sure, but i tend to be a modder myself, , , , , well w/e, I'm still interested to see how things turn out ^^'

Edit: nice Ephemeral, that looks legit ^^'
Ephemeral
The team will be large enough to encompass effectively anybody keen enough to join it provided they're an active modder and a recognized contributor. It won't be anywhere near as selective as the BAT is and like I said earlier, will operate on applications so everybody has an equal shot at getting in.
cyanberryio
You guys are STILL missing the biggest problem there is...THE PRIORITY SYSTEM.
You say everything has flaws, but this has many majors ones.

• 8 priority still isn't enough IMO. Even then not enough BATs take care of the highest priority maps, because of the following.
• Over-starring. Maps will get starred for no reason, maps that have absolutely no progress (I'm talking to you kokoroanime) and just about the song, HORRIBLE maps will get starred. :<
• THE FUCKING SEA OF BUBBLES. Bubbles getting pushed up is useless if there's over 9000 of them. Well, you know what I mean.
• BAT favorites. The reason why some people have many ranked maps is that they ARE a BAT or know one too well.

Just got to point those out there might be more, and btw, Kudosu system is beautiful, don't fucking touch it.

Now onto the MATs. (Since I just dragged on about something else there. >_>)
If they're gonna stay something has to be done about the Pending Sea. Like said before this Assembly Line is just getting longer and longer. It was simple at first, BAT look, BAT like, other BAT look, other BAT like, RANKIES. And then is when we had the best maps. The classics. <3
Then you had to promote the fuck out of your map to get BATs attention if you were new. The bonus for modding was nice, kudosu. (I was here before it was implemented)
And now we have to get even more people's attention.

I forsee an even bigger sea of Proto-Bubbles. Just a warning, with a mass amount of MATs like this...

R.I.P.
Priority System
2009


FYI, it was in early 2009 when the kds system was implemented.

uhh...my post might sound a bit odd, they way I typed it... ._.
I'll just wait and see how this turns out though, good luck MATs.
Ephemeral

Alex0686 wrote:

• 8 priority still isn't enough IMO. Even then not enough BATs take care of the highest priority maps, because of the following.
• Over-starring. Maps will get starred for no reason, maps that have absolutely no progress (I'm talking to you kokoroanime) and just about the song, HORRIBLE maps will get starred. :<
• THE FUCKING SEA OF BUBBLES. Bubbles getting pushed up is useless if there's over 9000 of them. Well, you know what I mean.
• BAT favorites. The reason why some people have many ranked maps is that they ARE a BAT or know one too well.
  1. You're right. 8 priority isn't enough. I've been working on +20SP since I became a BAT. We're aware of this, and we are discussing alternative methods for assessing rank viability while still keeping it fair and accessible for all users - the MAT is one way of doing this. There are others which we will explore.
  2. MAT were introduced to stem the song-starring hordes. Star priority is now a unit centric only to the MAT - the BAT have no reason to care about it any longer. Since the MAT is a composite group of most of the active community, maps will get ranked faster depending on how the community at hand views said maps. This will hopefully be fairer than the current system we have.
  3. Many of the BAT are on holiday related leave, so activity levels on our part are slightly lower than normal. I'm sure you can understand.
  4. This is completely baseless. I'm all for civil discussion, but if you're not going to back your statements up with any form of proof, then you probably shouldn't bother saying them in the first place. BAT will get their maps proto-bubbled like everybody else will.
There are enough MAT that finding a member who is willing to look at your map for proto-bubble viability should be considerably easier than it used to be to find a BAT active and doing the modding rounds. People in the MAT have been selected primarily for their activity, and inactive members will be cropped from the team on regular intervals.

I am not obliged to divulge any further, but the MAT are a composite facet of a new system which will be introduced fully later on in '10 anyway. This is but one step on the road, my friend. We are actually trying to make this better for everybody.
James
I remember before when I was a mod (BAT now)...
I wont forgot these moments during this time...
I mod, Saturos ranks. Active mods.. less than 5.. Reikin, awp, mtmcl, forgot...
Total pages in pending 15-16.. Never went higher than that.
Bubbles in pending, zero. Yep, zero... (or less than 5, but I remember having 0 bubbled maps before)
But a sea of stars~
We get alot of submitted maps every day during that time, no beatmap cap before.

Now....
Total pages in pending... 22..
Total active mods... about 10?
Bubbled maps... alot...
Starred maps... alot....

I think total submitted maps in pending should be really small.
Whats the problem then? You guys can answer that.

And I wish to all of you this new system, hope this system works now... :)
cyanberryio

Ephemeral wrote:

Alex0686 wrote:

• BAT favorites. The reason why some people have many ranked maps is that they ARE a BAT or know one too well.
  1. This is completely baseless. I'm all for civil discussion, but if you're not going to back your statements up with any form of proof, then you probably shouldn't bother saying them in the first place. BAT will get their maps proto-bubbled like everybody else will.
Yeah, I'm sorry about this statement, but it happens, not too much anymore, but sometimes it happens.
Not going to name anyone though.
Yuukari-Banteki
I've been advocating for an alternate priority system that works somewhat better than the current popularity contest thing, but it can't move forward until peppy returns. The basic outline of the system can be found inthis post and has been improving in the privacy of the Mod Lounge ever since. However, I am really doubting how much the community is invested in improving the priority system because of their utter failure to produce any useful feedback on it.
bmin11
Well I also do think it was hard to contact BATs. It felt like there was a line or a barrier btw BATs and unknown mappers. I hope MAT becomes a bridge btw BATs and mappers :)
I somewhat can't get rid of the idea of "extended process", but I can see how MATs work hard so I guess it is going to be ok.
Real1

Ephemeral wrote:

[*]You're right. 8 priority isn't enough. I've been working on +20SP since I became a BAT. We're aware of this, and we are discussing alternative methods for assessing rank viability while still keeping it fair and accessible for all users - the MAT is one way of doing this. There are others which we will explore.

I disagree. Some mappers map so fine they hardly have any faults on their maps... Getting 20 mod posts would be a bore for them. Yes, they can go and mod themselves for kudosu stars, but that's also a pain.

People want to speed up the ranking process, no? Making the SP requirement higher would result in even work and time.
Ephemeral

Real1 wrote:

I disagree. Some mappers map so fine they hardly have any faults on their maps... Getting 20 mod posts would be a bore for them. Yes, they can go and mod themselves for kudosu stars, but that's also a pain.

People want to speed up the ranking process, no? Making the SP requirement higher would result in even work and time.
No map is without flaws.

Improvements can always be made.

The MAT is selected and specifically designed to prevent slowdowns as much as humanly possible. The sheer size of the team will prevent any bottlenecking in that department. Your concerns are noted, but they are nothing we haven't already gone through in the development phase with this plan.
youngdow
Congratulations! :)
kino77
MAT <3 ~
Hope it works well~
awp

Ephemeral wrote:

No map is without flaws.

Improvements can always be made.
While the former may be true, it occasionally goes unobserved, as the flaws, present or not, may be so insignificant that they do not get noticed.

I'll attest to the latter statement, though.
Gabi

Ephemeral wrote:

Gabi wrote:

im sorry but what do we gain from this? is this a project to make it easier for BATs, or make it easier for mappers? to me it feels like you pass on the "dirty work" to MATs, which are IMO normal modders.

this is like the current system lol.

what is the difference between a MAT and a normal modder? other then MAT supposedly have a stronger voice then normal modders?
Most BAT will now draw their attention to proto-bubbled maps selected by the MAT as opposed to taking standard mod requests or using a queue. Considering the number of the MAT, this effectively makes them managers of one big BAT wide modding queue and unites both the community and the team on one front as they act through the same conduit.

MAT are just normal modders who have proven that they are capable of handling a position of somewhat elevated status and are generally interested in contributing more to the community.
are we really guarenteed that BATs will now draw their attention to proto-bubbled maps? i mean we were also promised that BATs would draw their attention to high star priority maps, but you know how that story goes.

your post is quite good and all, but what can we expect from this and what changes will we see? (this might have been answered, if so just direct me to the post again so i can re read it)


Ephemeral wrote:

Alex0686 wrote:

• BAT favorites. The reason why some people have many ranked maps is that they ARE a BAT or know one too well.
  1. This is completely baseless. I'm all for civil discussion, but if you're not going to back your statements up with any form of proof, then you probably shouldn't bother saying them in the first place. BAT will get their maps proto-bubbled like everybody else will.
it is not completely baseless, i could show you a few examples, however this has nothing to do with the current topic and it would only spark up bad discussions and arguments.
Yuukari-Banteki
Gabi, I do about 1/2 of my modding from p-bubbles, about 1/3 from the overdrive queue, and about 1/6 from requests. So yes, at least as far as I go, I do mod from the pubble queue.
Ephemeral

Gabi wrote:

are we really guarenteed that BATs will now draw their attention to proto-bubbled maps? i mean we were also promised that BATs would draw their attention to high star priority maps, but you know how that story goes.

your post is quite good and all, but what can we expect from this and what changes will we see? (this might have been answered, if so just direct me to the post again so i can re read it)
Nothing is ever guaranteed, but the MAT system certainly promotes greater community input in the ranking process. BAT are advised - but not enforced - to draw their attention to proto-bubbled maps, and as SFG has detailed, most of us have already done so. This is different from SP in the sense that only trusted members can award the status to maps in the first place. There is little room for abuse, which makes it infinitely more reliable than the SP system for the BAT, at least.

For starters, the overall map quality level should directly increase from the community being directly involved in the process - whereas before, map quality was primarily determined by the BAT. More people means more viewpoints, more feedback, and more quality. That is one thing you can expect and should be able to see evident within a week or so, should everything go to plan.

Ranking time may also significantly speed up as a consequence of new internal organization introduced into the cycle through the implementation of the MAT. This should be visible soon, but not straight away - as there are still some backend things which need to be done internally to optimize this process. Ranking time will not slow down because of this system - this has been a major concern for some users and it is something we have thought very extensively about and has most certainly been accounted for.

In regards to any examples of perceived BAT abuse, I would be quite happy to forward any complaints to the appropriate people in the staff, should you have ample reasoning and proof to validate such claims.

And stemming on that, if people have issues with the MAT system that they would like to discuss in depth, I am often available on IRC most of the time (and always available via forum PM) and would be more than happy to answer any questions in real time you may have about the system if discussion within this thread does not sate your curiosity.

The only way we can advance as a community is to discuss these things as a community. Please, do not hesitate to ask questions or give feedback on matters that you may feel strongly about. We're all in this together, and every viewpoint helps.
orioncomet
Isn't good? If they will have something on the top of post subject like this with proto-bubbled.
If MAT are so major before we will get some mod from BAT// I don't know this much.. but I see on Modding Queues of some BAT =.=
Ekaru
I take a break, come back, and this happens.

Good news. Keep it up guys. BRB, modding again.
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