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Think Twice before Editing! - Mafia Wins!

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heipizhu
So I have stolen McEndu's rules once more, anyway, here we go again ;)

Game specific info

  1. This game uses the Think Twice setup. Mechanics pertaining to this rule apply for this run.
    Setup info
    1. The game consists of 1 Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon and 3 Vanilla Townies.
    2. There is no Night phase.
    3. If the godfather is eliminated at any point, the town immediately wins. (This is the only special quality of the godfather.)
    4. If, on Day 1 only, one of the townies is eliminated, this townie will be flipped as town, but will not die immediately. They will live for the duration of Day 2, and then die along with the Day 2 elimination.
  2. You ARE allowed to make edits to your post within 5 minutes after you post. However, if you failed to do so and made the interval slightly larger than 5 minutes, you'll be warned. And if you edit your post after a long while (like an hour) or doing edits after you see others have posted, you may be modkilled or force-replaced. Btw, I won't be responsible if others consider you scummy for doing edits ;)
  3. Prod: 36+24
  4. Day length: 120h for normal days and 72h for tiebreaker stage
  5. Mafia daytalk is enabled via osu!dm
  6. Elimination/Tiebreaker rules
    Since the setup would be broken if 'No elim' occurs, so here's the proposed elimination process to prevent it from happening.
    1. Whoever is voted by 50% of alive players +1 before the deadline, the player is eliminated and the day would end.
    2. Once the deadline is reached, the player with the most votes will be eliminated.
    3. In case a tie occurs on step2, there would be a tiebreaker stage that lasts 3 days. Before the tiebreaker, everyone's vote would be automatically unvoted for you to make your final decision. During this stage,
      1. All players must vote for one of the players on the tb.
      2. The votes would be randomly voted if the voters haven't voted before the deadline.
    4. Just in the case that a tie occured inside a tiebreaker
      1. If there are 3 players in tb, the one who have the least vote would be moved out from the tb with a 2 day extended deadline.
      2. If there are 2 players in tb and ends up with a tie
        1. If both players are town, who will be eliminated would be random
        2. If one of the two players are mafia, the mafia would always survive the tie.

General Rules

Amianki (edited by me) wrote:

General
1.1) All site rules apply. Be familiar with them before playing.
1.2) Unless your role PM says otherwise, you are not allowed to talk about the game outside of the thread.
1.3) Quoting any PM from the moderator will result in a modkill. Paraphrasing is usually acceptable.
1.4) You are not alllowed to talk about on-going mafia games under any circumstances.
1.5) This is a game and strong language/tones are possible. As long as it remains civil, it is acceptable. Personal grudges or harassment (sexist, homophobic, racist, etc.) is not acceptable. The first offense will result in a warning, while the second will result in a force replace.

Game Mechanics
2.1) All votes must be bolded. Votes without this format will be ignored.
[b]Vote: Player[/b]
2.2) Votes within quote or spoiler tags will be ignored.
2.3) It is recommended to use a player's full name for votes, but it is acceptable to shorten it as long as it doesn't cause confusion. Any ambiguous votes will be ignored.
2.4) Unvoting is recommended for changing your vote, but not required. The exceptions are when you aren't placing another vote or if you have a multiple voting ability.
2.5) A lynch will be achieved when 50%+1 of the player list has their vote on a single person. Once that threshold is reached, the game enters twilight and no more votes will count for the day. No lynch votes require only 50% of the player list to go through.
2.6) During twilight players and the lynchee are still allowed to talk, but as stated in 2.5 there will be no more votes. Twilight ends as soon as the mod posts the lynch scene.
2.7) You are allowed a single post in the thread once you are dead. (Namely, a "Bah!" post) This post must not contain any game-relevant information.
2.8) If deadline is reached without anyone ever hitting the lynch threshold, then a lynch will only occur if someone is at one vote below the lynch threshold. If multiple, then the first one to hit it will be lynched. Anything else below that will lead to No Lynch.

Activity and Deadlines
3.1) Do your best to stay active. This game is a commitment.
3.2) A player may receive a prod 36 hours after their last post. Should the player remain inactive, they may receive a further prod every 24 hours.
3.4) When a player received 3 prods during a single in-game day, or received more than 5 prods overall inclusive, the player would be replaced. This is not considered a force-replacement, and after the player posts, they may contact the moderator to cancel the replacement.
3.5) If you will be gone for an extended period of time, you may post your V/LA in bold. The Prod Timer will be ignored for the duration and will be reset once it is over. V/LAs should not be longer than half of a day phase if you will have no access.
3.6) If you have to be gone for a significant amount of time, you will most likely be replaced. Finding your own replacement is appreciated, but not strictly required.
3.7) There will be a 7 days deadline for each Day.


Miscellaneous
4.1) Use the “topic starter” badge to identify me.
4.2) I will do my best to post vote counts at least once a day. Depending on the activity level, I will post vote counts either more or less often. If you request a vote count, I will provide one at the next opportunity.
4.3) Do not post cryptography, codes, invisible text, or small text.
4.4) Editing your post is grounds for an immediate modkill. Don't do it. PLEASE DON'T DO IT. Editing is allowed in this game if you managed to do the edit within 5 minutes after you post. However, if you failed to do so and made the interval slightly larger than 5 minutes, you'll be warned. And if you edit your post after a long while (like an hour) or doing edits after you see others have posted, you may be modkilled or force-replaced..
4.5) If a vote count is incorrect, let me know and I'll correct it when I have time.
4.6) Feel free to PM me if something in the game or ruleset is unclear.
4.7) Loopholes do not exist. Use common sense. If something sounds like it would be against the rules and isn't listed here, chances are you will still be punished for it. See rule 4.6 if you're unsure.
4.8) I reserve the right to modify the ruleset as needed. If this happens, you will be notified in thread.

Alive

  1. Lunexia* Godfather survived and won
  2. Aireunaeus* B0ii***, Mafia Goon survived and won
  3. I AM VERY SMART Manishh**, Vanilla Townie endgamed

Dead

  1. GuyInFreezer* Vanilla Townie, eliminated on Day2
  2. shad1337 Vanilla Townie, eliminated on Day1
* – denotes prod

Sample PMs
  1. Welcome, [player]! You are a Vanilla Townie!
    
    You have no abilities but your voice and your vote. If you are lynched on Day 1, you will survive until the end of Day 2.
    
    You win if the Godfather is lynched.
    You lose if the Mafia reach parity with the town.
    
    Confirm by replying with the answer to this question: 'How many players are there in the mafia team?'
  2. Welcome, [player]! You are a Mafia Goon!
    
    You have no abilities but your voice and your vote.
    
    [player] is the Godfather. If they are lynched, your faction will lose. You may speak with them via osu!pm at any time.
    
    You win if you reach parity with the town.
    You lose if the Godfather is lynched. 
    
    Your scummy buddy's confirmation code is: [confirmation code]. Confirm by having a quick chat with your buddy and reply me with your own confirmation code.
  3. Welcome, [player]! You are a Godfather!
    
    If you are ever lynched, your faction will lose.
    
    [player] is the Goon. You may speak with them via osu!pm at any time.
    
    You win if you reach parity with the town.
    You lose if the Godfather is lynched.
    
    Your scummy buddy's confirmation code is: [confirmation code]. Confirm by having a quick chat with your buddy and reply me with your own confirmation code.
Sayaka
/in :]

2.9) If you have a night action, it can be changed as many times as you want as long its still within the deadline the mod has given. Anything after that will have no effect.

-> This is redundant, there are no night actions!

2.8) If deadline is reached without anyone ever hitting the lynch threshold, then a lynch will only occur if someone is at one vote below the lynch threshold. If multiple, then the first one to hit it will be lynched. Anything else below that will lead to No Lynch.

-> This setup should ALWAYS have a lynch, no lynching in this setup breaks the setup.

IMO you have two ways of setting this up.

Firstly:
- Once the deadline is reached, the player with the most votes is eliminated.
(I'll leave how you resolve ties up to you, but it should not be no lynch)

Simple and easy i guess.

Secondly:
- Once the deadline is reached, the player with the most votes is eliminated.
- If a player is voted by 50% of alive players + 1, then the player is lynched immediately, ending the day.
(I'll leave how you resolve ties up to you, but it should not be no lynch)

I think this might be best?
Not sure, but you should definitely remove all possibilities of a no-elimination. ^^

Additionally, if you have majority eliminations (50% + 1 = elim) then this game might be over veeeery fast. :P
If you don't have them consider making the deadline something like 2, 3 or 4 days instead of 7!
Topic Starter
heipizhu

Lunexia wrote:

/in :]

2.9) If you have a night action, it can be changed as many times as you want as long its still within the deadline the mod has given. Anything after that will have no effect.

-> This is redundant, there are no night actions!
Ok, fixed! Thanks for this good catch!



Lunexia wrote:

-> This setup should ALWAYS have a lynch, no lynching in this setup breaks the setup.

IMO you have two ways of setting this up.

Firstly:
- Once the deadline is reached, the player with the most votes is eliminated.
(I'll leave how you resolve ties up to you, but it should not be no lynch)

Simple and easy i guess.

Secondly:
- Once the deadline is reached, the player with the most votes is eliminated.
- If a player is voted by 50% of alive players + 1, then the player is lynched immediately, ending the day.
(I'll leave how you resolve ties up to you, but it should not be no lynch)
Emmm, I would personally enjoy introducing the way on how WWF games deal with tiebreakers. In wwf, ever since a tie occured, there would be an extra round where all the players have to vote for the 2 players in the tb to determine who to get eliminated. So, let me propose a ruleset on how elimination works.

  1. Whoever is voted by 50% of alive players +1 before the deadline, the player is eliminated and the day would end.
  2. Once the deadline is reached, the player with the most votes will be eliminated.
  3. In case a tie occurs on step2, there would be a tiebreaker stage that lasts 3 days. During this stage,
    1. Every player who is outside the tb must vote for either of the player on the tb.
    2. No UNVOTE is allowed to use, and the votes would be randomly voted if you haven't voted before the deadline.
  4. Just in the case that a tie occured inside a tiebreaker (which could occured in day2 after a mafia is eliminated), mafia wins!

Lunexia wrote:

Additionally, if you have majority eliminations (50% + 1 = elim) then this game might be over veeeery fast. :P
If you don't have them consider making the deadline something like 2, 3 or 4 days instead of 7!
I personally enjoy a compartively longer game since there are always someone who are inactive (or tactically inactive, aka lurking). However, since I just proposed the 'Tiebreaker Stage', I will consider changing it to 5 days. What'a your idea?
B0ii
/in
Topic Starter
heipizhu
@Lunexia I just filled some of the loopholes in the tb proposal, so please check the op for the lastest version!
Sayaka
It's a bit weird, but it works better than anything that has no lynch so why not lol.
There shouldn't really be ties anyway.

I'd suggest making day 1 a day that cannot have hammer (no majority voting enabled), so that, with just 3 being hammer, there's some room for pressuring and figuring things out.

But yeah that might be just me! :D
Topic Starter
heipizhu

Lunexia wrote:

It's a bit weird, but it works better than anything that has no lynch so why not lol.
There shouldn't really be ties anyway.

I'd suggest making day 1 a day that cannot have hammer (no majority voting enabled), so that, with just 3 being hammer, there's some room for pressuring and figuring things out.

But yeah that might be just me! :D
I might still consider enabling the hammer or we are running somehow way too far away from normal mafia lol
Sayaka
Fair! Just suggestions. :3 Can't wait for this one, will be funny.
Manishh
I am up for a normal mafia game
Topic Starter
heipizhu

Manishh wrote:

I am up for a normal mafia game
You may consider this as 'normal' despite the 'edit' and the tb rule. Imop, the first rule is for fun (and the fact that we often need a chance to fix typos), and the second rule is just a debug patch for some of the games that failed to run smoothly.
Manishh
/in
GuyInFreezer
/in

First time player
Topic Starter
heipizhu

Manishh wrote:

/in

GuyInFreezer wrote:

/in

First time player
Added

Sample PMs are also added.
ShinRun
Guy In Freezer have returned
Sayaka

ShinRun wrote:

Guy In Freezer have returned
Trolley

1 more lol
If this doesn't fill I'll call in the boys lmfao
Topic Starter
heipizhu

Lunexia wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Guy In Freezer have returned
Trolley

1 more lol
If this doesn't fill I'll call in the boys lmfao
Still better than this I guess? XD
Sayaka
Death
Topic Starter
heipizhu

Lunexia wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Guy In Freezer have returned
Trolley

1 more lol
If this doesn't fill I'll call in the boys lmfao
Just make the call probably?
Sayaka
it filling slowly is fine ig lol, i rather have people from this site play im ngl :3
ABunchOfAtoms
Thonk thrice
shadi1337
/in
B0ii

shadi1337 wrote:

/in
YOOOO
Sayaka
Letsgooo
Topic Starter
heipizhu
Role pms have been sent out. Since the 'confirmation difficulty' is a bit higher than other games, please let me know if you have trouble confirming.
The game will start after 4/5 players confirm.
Currently, 4/5 have confirmed.
Topic Starter
heipizhu
Day 1 has started

VOTE COUNT

Not voting: (5 players)

Deadline for the day is June 14 13:00 (UTC)
Topic Starter
heipizhu
PS: The above post is a legal edit :)
Sayaka
Well well well, my first forum mafia game, finally taking my own virginity here!
Hoping this'll be a fun one!
Let's roll the Mafia, town!

First course of action is ofc to vote my boy Shadi over there, the name alone makes this one obvious. ;)

Vote: Shadi1337
Sayaka
It's hilarious that we could technically no lynch and completely break the setup (elimination is not mandatory, but this setup is nightless, we could no lynch forever and the game couldnt end lol)
GuyInFreezer
Vote: Shadi1337

50/50 let's go
B0ii
Vote: Shadi1337

can't take risks

original
Vote: Shadi1337

can't take no risks
Sayaka
That's hammer? xD
Sayaka
This is why hammer shouldn't exist in this :trolleybus:
Oh well
shadi1337
Does that mean I’m becoming conftown?

Also oh my god you suck Lune

Vote: Lunexia
Sayaka
We will see about that after you flip, and well, I didn't exactly imagine they'd just instahammer you, it was more of a memevote than anything from my end. :hmmge:
shadi1337
I know my vote is a joke (I mean I literally called it omgus and voted xD)
Anyway let’s think about it and question the person who hammered


Vote: BOiii
Topic Starter
heipizhu

VOTE COUNT1.1


shadi1337: Lunexia, GuyInFreezer, B0ii

shadi1337 is eliminated. They are a Vanilla Townie.
The elimination would be delayed to the dawn of day2.


shadi1337 wrote:

Vote: BOiii
The vote isn't counted due to hammer
Topic Starter
heipizhu
Day2 has started.
The deadline of the day is at June 15, 0:00 (UTC)
Topic Starter
heipizhu

VOTE COUNT 2.0

Not voting: (5 players)

The deadline of the day is at June 15, 0:00 (UTC)
shadi1337

heipizhu wrote:

VOTE COUNT1.1


shadi1337: Lunexia, GuyInFreezer, B0ii

shadi1337 is eliminated. They are a Vanilla Townie.
The elimination would be delayed at the dawn of day2.


shadi1337 wrote:

Vote: BOiii
The vote isn't counted due to hammer

Ok I’m trying again xD


Vote: BOii
Manishh
Oh I forgir
Sayaka
Well, can we try and not speedrun this day?

I know there is at least 1 mafia in this

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Vote: Shadi1337

50/50 let's go

B0ii wrote:

Vote: Shadi1337

can't take risks

original
Vote: Shadi1337

can't take no risks
Would be hilarious if both.

^Has to be cause im town, shadi is town, and there is two mafia, hence, even if Manishh is mafia, one of those two is mafia as well, meaaaaaning, mafia quickhammered this.

I would even go as far and say both of them are mafia, but then I'd expect at least the godfather to be more cautious than that.

Manishh -> Godfather
One in Boii/GuyInFreezer -> Mafioso

????

Anyway, we wasted our only misselimnation, so lets make this one count.

For now, Boii, why did you quickhammer shadi?
Sayaka
So, with this in mind, I think voting out Manishh might be a funny choice as well, as we will most likely hit the mafioso in the shadi wagon, rather than the godfather (unless both of them are mafia lmao).. :shrug:

Will see what they have to say. ^-^
shadi1337
Guyinfreezer, you’re the only one that didn’t vote me what’re your thoughts. I realise you said you’re a new player so it’s just a gentle question

@lune I think there’s at least 1 mafia in that wagon idk if mafia would be brave enough to flashwagon.

I think the least likely is you because you started the wagon and didn’t push anything from the 3. Plus I had the same thought about RVSing you lol.

Edit: also wait with voting with me before ppl have answered plx
shadi1337
What I meant to say is idk if mafia would be brave enough to both be on the wagon * only scenario where it’s both on the wagon is if you’re on it but problem with that is what you did isn’t scummy and it’d be purely coincidental so
Topic Starter
heipizhu

VOTE COUNT 2.1

B0ii: shad1337
Not voting: (4 players)

The deadline of the day is at June 15, 0:00 (UTC)
shadi1337
Wait I’m dumb it’s mannish that didn’t vote. Same thought process/replies in my case just swap out those 2 names

Also I can’t quite figure out if what Lune said “let’s wait and see when I flip” was him being town not knowing or mafia knowing but didn’t wanna reveal. Also equal strength to both arguments.

Atm

Would be nice with some posts so I can develop my reads


Mannish - null
Lune - null
Guyinfreezer - null
Boii - SL/SR I mean why hammer lol
shadi1337
Loooooneeely I am mr. loneeeelyy


Alllll byyyyy myyyyyseeeeelf~
I don’t wanna be all by myself

Come on guys, interact! I want to contribute before I go with someone else when next vote happens
GuyInFreezer
Someone town up and this game is gonna be easy peasy
GuyInFreezer
I’d normally argue that no mafia would be silly enough to insta hammer but people here are new I think.
GuyInFreezer
With that said if Boii was town methinks Lunexia and Mannish instavote here. Going to let that simmer for now though because there were 4 hours windows between Lunexia and Mannish so they could’ve failed coordinating quick hammer
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