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Thoughts on Conscription?

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Jangsoodlor
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Jangsoodlor
If your country HAVE active conscription, Do you think it's right for your government to force its citizen to become a soldier. Do you think this is necessary to protect your nation's sovereignty? If so, then how long should young men be conscripted into the army.

If your country DO NOT have active conscription. Should every citizen, especially every able-body male citizen of your country receive some kind of military training (not necessarily through conscription)? And if your President (or Prime Minister, King, Supreme Leader, whatever) signs a decree to force conscription tomorrow while your country doesn't have any active conflict. What would be your reaction? And would it be different if there's an outside force invading your country?

Finally, do you think it's fair that, most of the time, only men are conscripted for frontline services? Should women be conscripted too?
Nuuskamuikkunen
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Joined March 2013
Nuuskamuikkunen
We have conscription but it's not forced.

My thoughts on it would depend on the overall country's situation, for example if the neighboring countries are a potential menace for the country's overall safety, then conscription would be a reasonable choice. Being a neutral country with no army would be also reasonable for its people to receive some sort of training.
qwt
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Joined January 2020
qwt
u problem
Jangsoodlor
Topic Starter
Jangsoodlor

qwt wrote:

u problem
💀
Stomiks
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Joined March 2021
Stomiks
I'd immigrate to a different country before these bastards could conscript me
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Comrade Daniel
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Joined May 2021
Comrade Daniel
My country unfortunately have active conscrpition, and as a pacifist and anti-authoritarian person i strongly oppose the idea of a nation forcing people to go through military service, sometimes even involuntarly. I was lucky to be able to skip military service, but i know a lot of people not wanting to go to military, yet blindly supports the idea of active conscription/mandatory military service. I don't think we will achieve a pacifist world when we are looking at what is happening to this world, but i hope our politicians ATLEAST make military service more of a choice, based on voluntarity, rather than forced conscrpition.
Polyspora
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Joined September 2019
Polyspora
the conscription is made to prepare men for an eventual war, so when the time to scrape the barrel comes the country wont rely on some weak unprepared manpower. its fine if the country has a low population, but for places where there is more people than weaponry and supplies its kinda dumb.

I hear some stories of people finding a place for themselves inside the army, so it definitely can be good.

the only issue I find is the time lost (1 year here) and the alliance pledge since they can just call you anytime with any type of bullshit reason like a border dispute
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Neigdoig
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Joined May 2021
Neigdoig
As someone who is disabled (specifically with the symptoms known as Autism), I cannot be conscripted. The US doesn't have active conscription, but all municipal servants of the District of Columbia (which is 90% or more of the US population by the way), have to sign up for the Selective Service, even if disabled. However, in the US, service in the military is optional (though, that's about to change soon). Forced conscription is a horrible idea, and yet, why now do we need it in many countries?
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anaxii
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anaxii
The country where I live does not have conscription but the idea of forcing people to do military service is highly repugnant to me
Stomiks
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Stomiks

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

The country where I live does not have conscription
Nah don't we already do?
mqwilliamscom
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Joined October 2021
mqwilliamscom
After Vietnam, I think it’s for the best our country doesn’t have it.
anaxii
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anaxii

Stomiks wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

The country where I live does not have conscription
Nah don't we already do?
The country where I live*

And yeah the Philippines has conscription I'm sure at 100%
Stomiks
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Stomiks

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

The country where I live does not have conscription
Nah don't we already do?
The country where I live*

And yeah the Philippines has conscription I'm sure at 100%
Didn't you tell me you're living in the philippines? Where to then?
anaxii
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anaxii

Stomiks wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

The country where I live does not have conscription
Nah don't we already do?
The country where I live*

And yeah the Philippines has conscription I'm sure at 100%
Didn't you tell me you're living in the philippines? Where to then?
In Switzerland
B0ii
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B0ii
Bruh I read the title as "thoughts on constipation?"
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Dementedjet
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Joined December 2020
Dementedjet

B0ii wrote:

Bruh I read the title as "thoughts on constipation?"
"In my country you need to serve at least 18 months of constipation"
Which is true if you change constipation to conscription
Ixcors
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Joined November 2017
Ixcors
hi i live in a country where mandatory military conscription is actually in effect (ours happens when you turn 18, and only if youre male (i am 17 and male))

i mean yeah it kinda sucks, knowing that you have a limited amount of time to have a nice childhood before you go off into adulthood and the first thing you do is become a man for 2 years or whatever. i understand why it exists, the entire reason for Singapore's insistance on this was because it was a small country, but times have changed and it's 50 years or so since it was first enacted. we literally have almost the same size of military as the entirety of Canada and have decent political relations with a lot of countries, so the threat of an actual war is kinda low. pre-covid you'd have to spend 2 entire years in those military barracks with a few times you can return back to visit your family and other things, and furthermore after those 2 years are said and done the Ministry of Defence can literally call you back, 1 week per year, just to redo all of it again, for at least 20 more years or something. post-covid you can at least do it maybe once a week which is nicer i guess but my point still stands. it's so dumb. i really dont like the thought of guns or war, and forcing me into that kind of situation will forever haunt my nightmares. i know some people say it's not that bad but the thought just scares me. call me a pussy or whatever that's just how i feel and i wish this didnt have to happen to anyone who doesnt want it to happen to them
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[-Omni-]
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[-Omni-]
i live in the us and idk anything about that but i think that it should be a choice here or really just anywhere but maybe should be if its a smaller country.. but where i live, i think it shouldnt :) im not sure tho
Aireunaeus
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Aireunaeus
What’s a conscription?
Dementedjet
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Dementedjet

Aireunaeus wrote:

What’s a conscription?
Bruh, mandatory military service, so when you reach certain age and if you're male with no disabilities (in my country) you'll be taken on military service with no choice but to go, although you could be free if they take your bribe or you flee the country quietly
Ryu Sei
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Ryu Sei
1 year of conscription sounds like a good idea. Though I don't have any in here.

Our people has some sort of nationality crisis so it would be great if we have at least one year to teach about nationality. Also, good physical training too since I can't be bothered to go to gym.
Jangsoodlor
Topic Starter
Jangsoodlor
bruh how tf this thread is becoming popular again.

Anyways, my country have 6 months - 2 years of military service (depending on the education), which could potentially includes, but not limited to, mowing the general's lawn (cuz corruption lol).

But aside from being unfit, bribery or flee the country quietly seeking asylum. There's an option called "Territorial Defense Student". It's a 5-year course but most people only do 3 years because it's the bare minimum to bypass conscription legally. You can enroll when you're 15 and in high/vocational school. In order to get in, you need to "pass" (or get a somewhat decent score on) a physical test (which you should unless you're literally obese) and buy your own equipment. The training consists of 2 phases. The "normal" phase where you go to training center for 8 hours a day, 7 days a year (half of them is drills, 40% propaganda stuffs and 10% actual military training, but most of them is theoretical tho). The good (?) thing is you get to skip school when it's training day. And the "field training" phase is when you go to a literal field training. 3 days for second years (Which I got to skipped cuz covid) and 5 days for third years. There you go sleeping in tents, firing M16, given a decommissioned M1 Carbine and have to live with it for 2 days, marching with the gun to another camp site and back, and, of course, more propaganda stuffs and go home (yay). ( 4th and 5th year got 7 days of field training)
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Aireunaeus
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Aireunaeus

jrjin228 wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

What’s a conscription?
Bruh, mandatory military service, so when you reach certain age and if you're male with no disabilities (in my country) you'll be taken on military service with no choice but to go, although you could be free if they take your bribe or you flee the country quietly
ahh thanks for the explanation. not sure how conscription in germany work cuz i own a german pass
Stomiks
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Stomiks

Aireunaeus wrote:

jrjin228 wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

What’s a conscription?
Bruh, mandatory military service, so when you reach certain age and if you're male with no disabilities (in my country) you'll be taken on military service with no choice but to go, although you could be free if they take your bribe or you flee the country quietly
ahh thanks for the explanation. not sure how conscription in germany work cuz i own a german pass
What's a german pass? Like some N-word pass?
Aireunaeus
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Aireunaeus

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

jrjin228 wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

What’s a conscription?
Bruh, mandatory military service, so when you reach certain age and if you're male with no disabilities (in my country) you'll be taken on military service with no choice but to go, although you could be free if they take your bribe or you flee the country quietly
ahh thanks for the explanation. not sure how conscription in germany work cuz i own a german pass
What's a german pass? Like some N-word pass?
No lmao like owning a german passport
Stomiks
9,043 posts
Joined March 2021
Stomiks

Aireunaeus wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

jrjin228 wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

What’s a conscription?
Bruh, mandatory military service, so when you reach certain age and if you're male with no disabilities (in my country) you'll be taken on military service with no choice but to go, although you could be free if they take your bribe or you flee the country quietly
ahh thanks for the explanation. not sure how conscription in germany work cuz i own a german pass
What's a german pass? Like some N-word pass?
No lmao like owning a german passport
I was about to make a WW2 joke but I quickly realized I'd get auto-silenced lmao
anaxii
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Joined December 2022
anaxii

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

jrjin228 wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

What’s a conscription?
Bruh, mandatory military service, so when you reach certain age and if you're male with no disabilities (in my country) you'll be taken on military service with no choice but to go, although you could be free if they take your bribe or you flee the country quietly
ahh thanks for the explanation. not sure how conscription in germany work cuz i own a german pass
What's a german pass? Like some N-word pass?
No lmao like owning a german passport
I was about to make a WW2 joke but I quickly realized I'd get auto-silenced lmao
I want to hear the joke in PM lmao
Aireunaeus
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Joined December 2021
Aireunaeus

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

jrjin228 wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

What’s a conscription?
Bruh, mandatory military service, so when you reach certain age and if you're male with no disabilities (in my country) you'll be taken on military service with no choice but to go, although you could be free if they take your bribe or you flee the country quietly
ahh thanks for the explanation. not sure how conscription in germany work cuz i own a german pass
What's a german pass? Like some N-word pass?
No lmao like owning a german passport
I was about to make a WW2 joke but I quickly realized I'd get auto-silenced lmao
I want to hear the joke in PM lmao
same 😅 or on discord if it's not really safe
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Stomiks
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Stomiks

Aireunaeus wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

jrjin228 wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

What’s a conscription?
Bruh, mandatory military service, so when you reach certain age and if you're male with no disabilities (in my country) you'll be taken on military service with no choice but to go, although you could be free if they take your bribe or you flee the country quietly
ahh thanks for the explanation. not sure how conscription in germany work cuz i own a german pass
What's a german pass? Like some N-word pass?
No lmao like owning a german passport
I was about to make a WW2 joke but I quickly realized I'd get auto-silenced lmao
I want to hear the joke in PM lmao
same 😅 or on discord if it's not really safe
Sorry already forgot
Shacovian
99 posts
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Shacovian
I'm not risking my life for my government.
anaxii
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anaxii

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

jrjin228 wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

What’s a conscription?
Bruh, mandatory military service, so when you reach certain age and if you're male with no disabilities (in my country) you'll be taken on military service with no choice but to go, although you could be free if they take your bribe or you flee the country quietly
ahh thanks for the explanation. not sure how conscription in germany work cuz i own a german pass
What's a german pass? Like some N-word pass?
No lmao like owning a german passport
I was about to make a WW2 joke but I quickly realized I'd get auto-silenced lmao
I want to hear the joke in PM lmao
same 😅 or on discord if it's not really safe
Sorry already forgot
Skill issue

Shacovian wrote:

I'm not risking my life for my government.
W
Reyalp51
962 posts
Joined April 2021
Reyalp51
Spain used to have forced military service, not anymore
MrMcMikey22
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Joined January 2021
MrMcMikey22
Hmmmm...I wonder if I should go into the military for 8 months, because I got a message like this.

Although mommy doesn't want me to go there anyways...
Stomiks
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Joined March 2021
Stomiks

MrMcMikey22 wrote:

Hmmmm...I wonder if I should go into the military for 8 months, because I got a message like this.

Although mommy doesn't want me to go there anyways...
Are you even old enough for something like that?

Joining the military could be really grueling. Not to mention you could be tasked to kill people if you're needed.
anaxii
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Joined December 2022
anaxii

MrMcMikey22 wrote:

Hmmmm...I wonder if I should go into the military for 8 months, because I got a message like this.

Although mommy doesn't want me to go there anyways...
Mommy's right for this time
Arctos Sagittario
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Joined August 2011
Arctos Sagittario
it's a matter of the base philosophy of government.

if the norm is like "government gets its power by people sacrificing a little of theirs" then the government essentially doesn't have the power to force their people to do anything.

if the norm is like "government is the big parent that takes care of their children but sometimes in a harsh manner" then it's debatable, but in the end if the country is facing real invasion then don't expect them to just surrender. by then there will be unconditional conscription. other than that though, there may be balance among lots of costs and interests going on, eventually it's up to the circumstance of the country, whether it calls for more conscripts or willing people and enthusiasts would do just fine.

if the norm is like "government is the overwatcher that takes all responsibility for everything" then expect them to be harsh. they'll do anything to survive, to become strong, to be ready for even apocalypse. there's not much thougts on that either.

I personally haven't gone through real military training, and as far as I know, students here would receive "military training" but in reality it's just some kind of military styled activity happening right on campus that lasts for a week mostly.
MrMcMikey22
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MrMcMikey22
Sorry guys, I've said it in a too broad way, but yeah I also don't think I wanna go to the military. nah...
Aireunaeus
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Joined December 2021
Aireunaeus

MrMcMikey22 wrote:

Sorry guys, I've said it in a too broad way, but yeah I also don't think I wanna go to the military. nah...
i do though. I have a friend that's going to the military, and he said he's actually getting money with it. :o
Stomiks
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Joined March 2021
Stomiks

Aireunaeus wrote:

MrMcMikey22 wrote:

Sorry guys, I've said it in a too broad way, but yeah I also don't think I wanna go to the military. nah...
i do though. I have a friend that's going to the military, and he said he's actually getting money with it. :o
How much though? It better be worth it since you're risking your life each time you go to a battle.
Aireunaeus
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Joined December 2021
Aireunaeus

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

MrMcMikey22 wrote:

Sorry guys, I've said it in a too broad way, but yeah I also don't think I wanna go to the military. nah...
i do though. I have a friend that's going to the military, and he said he's actually getting money with it. :o
How much though? It better be worth it since you're risking your life each time you go to a battle.
He told me that he recieves 2k per month pretty much to do military service.
Stomiks
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Joined March 2021
Stomiks

Aireunaeus wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

MrMcMikey22 wrote:

Sorry guys, I've said it in a too broad way, but yeah I also don't think I wanna go to the military. nah...
i do though. I have a friend that's going to the military, and he said he's actually getting money with it. :o
How much though? It better be worth it since you're risking your life each time you go to a battle.
He told me that he recieves 2k per month pretty much to do military service.
Is that in USD value? If so then that's pretty low.
Aireunaeus
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Joined December 2021
Aireunaeus

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

MrMcMikey22 wrote:

Sorry guys, I've said it in a too broad way, but yeah I also don't think I wanna go to the military. nah...
i do though. I have a friend that's going to the military, and he said he's actually getting money with it. :o
How much though? It better be worth it since you're risking your life each time you go to a battle.
He told me that he recieves 2k per month pretty much to do military service.
Is that in USD value? If so then that's pretty low.
Where do u think where i live? Of course not usd. but they’re pretty much kinda the same amount. But the difference is just 200$ more if we talk about conversion
Stomiks
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Joined March 2021
Stomiks

Aireunaeus wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

MrMcMikey22 wrote:

Sorry guys, I've said it in a too broad way, but yeah I also don't think I wanna go to the military. nah...
i do though. I have a friend that's going to the military, and he said he's actually getting money with it. :o
How much though? It better be worth it since you're risking your life each time you go to a battle.
He told me that he recieves 2k per month pretty much to do military service.
Is that in USD value? If so then that's pretty low.
Where do u think where i live? Of course not usd. but they’re pretty much kinda the same amount. But the difference is just 200$ more if we talk about conversion
aww wtf so he's earning less than part-timers then?
Aireunaeus
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Joined December 2021
Aireunaeus

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

MrMcMikey22 wrote:

Sorry guys, I've said it in a too broad way, but yeah I also don't think I wanna go to the military. nah...
i do though. I have a friend that's going to the military, and he said he's actually getting money with it. :o
How much though? It better be worth it since you're risking your life each time you go to a battle.
He told me that he recieves 2k per month pretty much to do military service.
Is that in USD value? If so then that's pretty low.
Where do u think where i live? Of course not usd. but they’re pretty much kinda the same amount. But the difference is just 200$ more if we talk about conversion
aww wtf so he's earning less than part-timers then?
Bruhh no, do you think 2k is small. Imo its a pretty good amount and i mean per month. In a year you can pretty much have 24k. And currency here's called chf. I think i may have explained it wrong due to the fact of you thinking he’ll get less money than part-timers.
Stomiks
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Joined March 2021
Stomiks

Aireunaeus wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

MrMcMikey22 wrote:

Sorry guys, I've said it in a too broad way, but yeah I also don't think I wanna go to the military. nah...
i do though. I have a friend that's going to the military, and he said he's actually getting money with it. :o
How much though? It better be worth it since you're risking your life each time you go to a battle.
He told me that he recieves 2k per month pretty much to do military service.
Is that in USD value? If so then that's pretty low.
Where do u think where i live? Of course not usd. but they’re pretty much kinda the same amount. But the difference is just 200$ more if we talk about conversion
aww wtf so he's earning less than part-timers then?
Bruhh no, do you think 2k is small. Imo its a pretty good amount and i mean per month. In a year you can pretty much have 24k. And currency here's called chf. I think i may have explained it wrong due to the fact of you thinking he’ll get less money than part-timers.
I don't really understand how valuable chf in your country so I apologize for any misunderstandings. That being said, converting it to usd does sound pretty low considering it's barely equal to the amount that part timers in the us make.
Aireunaeus
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Joined December 2021
Aireunaeus

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

MrMcMikey22 wrote:

Sorry guys, I've said it in a too broad way, but yeah I also don't think I wanna go to the military. nah...
i do though. I have a friend that's going to the military, and he said he's actually getting money with it. :o
How much though? It better be worth it since you're risking your life each time you go to a battle.
He told me that he recieves 2k per month pretty much to do military service.
Is that in USD value? If so then that's pretty low.
Where do u think where i live? Of course not usd. but they’re pretty much kinda the same amount. But the difference is just 200$ more if we talk about conversion
aww wtf so he's earning less than part-timers then?
Bruhh no, do you think 2k is small. Imo its a pretty good amount and i mean per month. In a year you can pretty much have 24k. And currency here's called chf. I think i may have explained it wrong due to the fact of you thinking he’ll get less money than part-timers.
I don't really understand how valuable chf in your country so I apologize for any misunderstandings. That being said, converting it to usd does sound pretty low considering it's barely equal to the amount that part timers in the us make.
Ahh i see. Part timers in the us get 48k per year. That’s more than doing military. But if we talk about part time loan, then its much more in Switzerland which is about 90k per year. But yeah i actually would do military. Unless i have to go to the german military.
Stomiks
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Joined March 2021
Stomiks

Aireunaeus wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

MrMcMikey22 wrote:

Sorry guys, I've said it in a too broad way, but yeah I also don't think I wanna go to the military. nah...
i do though. I have a friend that's going to the military, and he said he's actually getting money with it. :o
How much though? It better be worth it since you're risking your life each time you go to a battle.
He told me that he recieves 2k per month pretty much to do military service.
Is that in USD value? If so then that's pretty low.
Where do u think where i live? Of course not usd. but they’re pretty much kinda the same amount. But the difference is just 200$ more if we talk about conversion
aww wtf so he's earning less than part-timers then?
Bruhh no, do you think 2k is small. Imo its a pretty good amount and i mean per month. In a year you can pretty much have 24k. And currency here's called chf. I think i may have explained it wrong due to the fact of you thinking he’ll get less money than part-timers.
I don't really understand how valuable chf in your country so I apologize for any misunderstandings. That being said, converting it to usd does sound pretty low considering it's barely equal to the amount that part timers in the us make.
Ahh i see. Part timers in the us get 48k per year. That’s more than doing military. But if we talk about part time loan, then its much more in Switzerland which is about 90k per year. But yeah i actually would do military. Unless i have to go to the german military.
I'm not knowledgable in part time loans, but wouldn't you still have to pay for all of it back?
anaxii
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anaxii
Earning 2kCHF/€ per month through military service is INSANE btw. Knowing that it lasts at least 18 weeks, you could make a big package by doing it.
Stomiks
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Stomiks

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Earning 2kCHF/€ per month through military service is INSANE btw. Knowing that it lasts at least 18 weeks, you could make a big package by doing it.
Not really from I see it. That amount of money isn't sustainable to live off of (in the US at least), epecially with rent, food, and other needs continue to increase yearly. You also have to usually do long hours and amount of dedication you need to continue serving. Also you're risking you life too but hey.
Aireunaeus
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Aireunaeus

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Earning 2kCHF/€ per month through military service is INSANE btw. Knowing that it lasts at least 18 weeks, you could make a big package by doing it.
That's what I'm talking about! Yeah i have to pay taxes but hey. I'm not 18 yet sooooo
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