Meg & Dia - Monster (DotEXE Remix) [OsuMania]

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Rumia-
[Generals]
put 4K and 7K on your difficulties since it have 2 types of key ( it can be confusing )
found this song on 1 of Hexor vid (dota 2 player lolz) i really like this song
[Go Practise! 7K (4K) ]
i think it is spelled Practice? LOL .

[7K Easy]
too hard for easy , try less use 1/4 ( on blue lines especially , its too hard for those who still learning 7k)

[Normal]
00:13:275 - add
00:13:489 - add
00:14:561 - the stare drum sound should be denser ( apply to all snare sounds , its too many for me to list 1 by 1 so hope you understand what i mean tho~ )
00:18:632 - add
00:27:418 - add
00:29:775 (29775|1) - remove
00:35:989 - add
00:37:704 (37704|6,37811|5,37918|4,38025|3,38132|2,38239|1,38347|0,38347|6,38454|5,38561|4,38668|3,38775|2,38882|1,38989|0) - i dun get this stream , it should be 1/2 for normal diffs
00:40:704 - add
02:08:989 (128989|1) - make as 1/1 hold
02:11:989 - add
02:23:025 - add?
02:25:275 (145275|2) - 1/2 hold?
02:25:918 - add
02:26:132 - add
02:30:739 - add
02:33:847 - add
02:34:061 - add
02:42:847 (162847|5,162847|1,162847|2,162847|4,162847|6) - too dense , consider remove 1 or 2
4K maps seems fine. except the ez diff lol
star for nice song pick :3 ~
[Hard]
00:34:703 (34703|6,34703|0) - remove
00:53:775 (53775|2,53989|3) - remove
00:53:989 (53989|0) - move to 3rd
00:54:525 (54525|4,54632|5,54739|6) - like this? http://puu.sh/512bn.png
00:56:989 - add
01:01:061 - add
01:01:275 - add
01:11:561 - add
01:31:275 - add
01:31:061 - add
01:50:561 - add
02:15:417 (135417|4,135417|6,135525|6,135525|4,135632|2,135632|0,135739|2,135739|0,135846|5,135846|3,135953|5,135953|3,136060|1,136060|3,136167|1,136167|3) - jacks arent that friendly tho :< re arrange pls? xD
Topic Starter
Zillah
Since I don't know how to type a "tick"... I'll use square root instead :3

And thanks for modding <3

- R u m i a - wrote:

[Generals]
put 4K and 7K on your difficulties since it have 2 types of key ( it can be confusing ) (√)
found this song on 1 of Hexor vid (dota 2 player lolz) i really like this song (√ for your taste)
[Go Practise! 7K (4K) ]
i think it is spelled Practice? LOL (√,I believe it's practise for verb, but even chrome's spell check disagree with me... FINE~~~~)

[7K Easy]
too hard for easy , try less use 1/4 ( on blue lines especially , its too hard for those who still learning 7k) (√, replaced 1/4 with 1/2 LN)

[Normal]


4K maps seems fine. except the ez diff lol (*cough*)
star for nice song pick :3 ~ (√ :3)

[Hard]

jacks arent that friendly tho :< re arrange pls? xD (√, Everyone hates Jack... that makes Rose sad :| )
c36098651
[4K fantasy]
00:28:597 (28597|3,28597|2) - 向上喬1/4
02:09:204 (129204|2,129311|3,129364|2) - 這邊連1/4的音都沒有= =
02:40:489 (160489|2) - 縮短1/8 因為音是在 02:40:597 消失的
03:17:882 (197882|1) - 延長1/8 或是改成NOTE
Topic Starter
Zillah

c36098651 wrote:

[4K fantasy](√)
00:28:597 (28597|3,28597|2) - 向上喬1/4
02:09:204 (129204|2,129311|3,129364|2) - 這邊連1/4的音都沒有= =
02:40:489 (160489|2) - 縮短1/8 因為音是在 02:40:597 消失的
03:17:882 (197882|1) - 延長1/8 或是改成NOTE
感謝C大 :3
asd123iii
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PROGUY
Hi there. I'll mod your charts as requested.

[GO PRACTICE 7K!!!!!!]
- First of all, I think you better rename this difficulty because it's both funny and misleading at the same time. (This is supposed to be a 4K Easy chart by the way.)
00:24:632 (24632|0,24847|3) Change to normal notes.
01:45:311 (105311|1) Move to 01:45:418.
01:48:632 (108632|0) Change to normal note.
01:49:275 Try this: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1065052
01:58:704 Add note in 4th column.
02:10:275 (130275|0) Long note end should be at 02:10:704.
02:11:989 (131989|3) Long note end should be at 02:12:418.
02:12:847 (132847|0) Long note end should be at 02:13:275.
02:19:918 (139918|2) Delete this note.
02:28:061 (148061|1) ^
02:32:561 Add note in 1st column.
02:38:347 (158347|1) Delete this note.
02:38:347 (158347|1,158775|1,159204|2) ^
02:47:025 (167025|3) Move to 02:47:132.
02:47:347 (167347|0) Delete this note.
02:52:061 (172061|2) ^
02:52:918 (172918|0) ^
03:02:347 (182347|3) ^
03:11:989 From this part onwards, you'll need to remap since it doesn't fit the song at all. Missing notes and notes that make no sense are a weird mix in this chart. I assume you just copied this somewhere else and just slapped it in?

[7K EZ]
- Oh, so this is where all of the notes came from.
00:24:632 (24632|0,24847|6) Change to normal notes.
00:47:775 (47775|2) Delete this note.
- You should try to look into this yourself and make your own changes. I'm not being lazy. I'm saying that you need to put more effort to make it better, and currently this chart really ticks me off a lot with both misleading and missing notes.

If you redo both 4K Easy and 7K Easy, you can call me for a recheck. If you're keeping them as it is without any major improvements, don't bother.
Sorry.
Topic Starter
Zillah

PROGUY wrote:

Hi there. I'll mod your charts as requested.

[GO PRACTICE 7K!!!!!!]
02:10:275 (130275|0) Long note end should be at 02:10:704.
02:11:989 (131989|3) Long note end should be at 02:12:418.
02:12:847 (132847|0) Long note end should be at 02:13:275.
Should I change it? it follows the vocal


[7K EZ]
- Oh, so this is where all of the notes came from.
00:24:632 (24632|0,24847|6) Change to normal notes.
00:47:775 (47775|2) Delete this note.
- You should try to look into this yourself and make your own changes. I'm not being lazy. I'm saying that you need to put more effort to make it better, and currently this chart really ticks me off a lot with both misleading and missing notes.

If you redo both 4K Easy and 7K Easy, you can call me for a recheck. If you're keeping them as it is without any major improvements, don't bother.
Sorry.
Both were remade, although it probably isn't perfect, it should has significantly less missing notes >_<
17VA
[Global]

reduce the volumes?

[7K HD] - LNs are lopsided at one side hand....

00:25:703 (25703|0,26131|2,26560|1) - shapes awkward? make two hand balance

00:29:347 (29347|4) - move 7

00:30:417 (30417|5,30524|4,30631|3) - make double notes

01:27:632 - add

02:16:703 (136703|1,136703|0,136810|2,136810|3,136918|5,136918|4,137025|6) - change it to stair

03:17:882 (197882|0,197989|1,198096|2,198203|6,198203|3,198310|5,198310|2,198417|4,198417|1,198525|3,198525|0,198632|1,198632|4,198739|5,198739|3,198739|2) - overmapped

[4K fantasy]

00:26:561 (26561|3) - delete

00:32:989 (32989|2) - http://puu.sh/52UKw.jpg

01:50:561 - add

01:57:481 - add two
Brainpeeler
almost useless mod :D
20:26 Brainpeeler: :3
20:28 Zillah: :3
20:28 Brainpeeler: i see you mapped more vocals in your ez
20:28 Brainpeeler: than in the higher diffs
20:29 Zillah: ya, rumia said 1/4 maybe too hard for beginner
20:30 Brainpeeler: the ez seems easy enough to me, but not sure if its seen as an easy by beginners
20:32 Zillah: that's why I don't know how to map EZ :(...
20:32 Brainpeeler: just take a look at the average skill level of people who play autoconverts >w<
20:32 Brainpeeler: they cant even handle the simple streams :v
20:33 Zillah: :-|
20:33 Brainpeeler: anyway for the ez i dont think the vocals should be mapped per syllable
20:34 Zillah: they seem to be better at 1/4 jacks
20:34 Brainpeeler: well for some anyway
20:34 Brainpeeler: cause 4k practice >w<
20:34 Brainpeeler: also they find it easier to not switch fingers
20:34 Brainpeeler: which just feels weird to me now
20:38 Brainpeeler: some parts feel so empty ._.
20:39 Zillah: the 4k EZ?
20:40 Brainpeeler: 7k ez
20:40 Brainpeeler: did you use 7k hd as reference for 7k ez?
20:40 Zillah: yea
20:40 Brainpeeler: that explains that huge gap
20:41 Brainpeeler: someone told me before that a good diff spread prepares someone to play higher diffs by showing clues as to what the patterns will be in higher diffs
20:42 Zillah: that was what I wanted to do... but EZ now looks like a completely separated diff
20:42 Brainpeeler: yeah it feels so different from the others o.o
20:44 Zillah: ;w;
20:45 Brainpeeler: i think you should keep the phrasing of stuff like "how should i feel"(if those are the words o.o) 2 notes like you did in the other diffs for the earlier parts
20:45 Zillah: writing it down :D
20:46 Brainpeeler: purely suggestion
20:46 Brainpeeler: :D
20:47 Brainpeeler: since its an earlier part i think it should ease the fingers in
20:48 Zillah: I'm not experienced mapper, your opinion would help alot in making it a better map<3
20:48 Brainpeeler: im not experienced either o3o
20:48 Brainpeeler: but i play a lot >w<
20:51 Zillah: :-| gonna download o2jam for more 7K specific songs
20:51 Brainpeeler: o.o
20:52 Brainpeeler: the actual or just for osu conversion?
20:53 Zillah: maybe a private server
20:54 Brainpeeler: the speed changes
20:54 Brainpeeler: a bit too much for a beginner x.x
20:55 Brainpeeler: not all of them though
20:55 Zillah: I'll soften them ;w;
20:55 Brainpeeler: and there was one speed change that doesnt look right
20:55 Brainpeeler: its too unreadable
20:55 Brainpeeler: *looks for it again*
20:56 Zillah: can you send me the time tag?
20:56 Brainpeeler: 01:01:275
20:56 Brainpeeler: err
20:56 Brainpeeler: dunno how to tag lol
20:56 Brainpeeler: i just click copypaste
20:56 Zillah: its okay :D
20:57 Brainpeeler: it makes the hold look waaaayy too short
20:58 Brainpeeler: for that part i suggest putting a x1.25 or x1 on the 1/2 after it
20:58 Brainpeeler: if youre going for the long effect
20:58 Brainpeeler: *tries it out first*
21:00 Zillah: I put a 1.25 at 01:01:489
21:00 Zillah: hum
21:00 Brainpeeler: this is just suggestion, if the effect doesnt appeal then just scrap it o2o
21:01 Brainpeeler: o3o*
21:02 Zillah: It seems if I put a 1.25 in the middle, the LN end very fast
21:03 Brainpeeler: hmmm...
21:03 Brainpeeler: you want it to slowly reach the end??
21:03 Zillah: gameplay wise, I can't 300 that LN end orz
21:04 Brainpeeler: well the player is expected to release the ln at the same time they hit the middle key o3o
21:04 Brainpeeler: so the ln end shouldnt be much of a problem here
21:05 Zillah: ok
21:06 Brainpeeler: anyway if you dont like the speed how about removing the sv at the 1/2 and just increasing the speed of the 0.1??
21:07 Brainpeeler: the 0.1x makes the hold seem way too short
21:08 Brainpeeler: also you have some sudden speed changes that stay fast while notes still need to be pressed
21:08 Brainpeeler: pretty hard for an easy
21:08 Brainpeeler: like at 01:21:847
21:08 Zillah: sorry I think I changed something, where is the 0.1x you're saying?
21:09 Brainpeeler: 01:01:275 this one o3o
21:09 Brainpeeler: it linked wut
21:09 Zillah: lol
21:10 Brainpeeler: if you play from that point, you would quick press the hold on first try
21:10 Brainpeeler: no clue at all that its long
21:12 Zillah: I changed 01:01:275 to 0.5, 01:01:489 to 1.2, then LN end 1.0
21:12 Zillah: ;w; why you link the whole thing osu
21:13 Brainpeeler: osu likes teh links
21:14 Brainpeeler: feels more readable now o3o
21:17 Brainpeeler: errr can i ask what the sv changes from 2:01:704 - 2:02:882 are for??
21:19 Brainpeeler: i mean 2:01:704 - 2:02:775
21:20 Brainpeeler: its the same effect if you remove the sv before the x4
21:21 Zillah: was experimenting o.o
21:22 Brainpeeler: you were probably trying to make the scroll speed look all funky and stuff
21:22 Brainpeeler: that only works when theres a white line >w<
21:22 Zillah: ya lol
21:22 Brainpeeler: strong beat white line
21:23 Brainpeeler: you can cheat in white lines by putting uninherited timing points, but then that would make it unrankable
21:23 Zillah: since there's no note in between, before 10x can be removed
21:24 Brainpeeler: i checked out a ranked ez to see how to map an ez for my map, it only has 2 instances of having more than 1 note per row
21:24 Zillah: "You can't use uninherited timing sections when there is no actual BPM changes."
21:24 Zillah: really.. then the map will look really empty
21:25 Brainpeeler: yeah, you dont have to follow that o3o
21:25 Brainpeeler: id think itd look empty too lol
21:26 Brainpeeler: something to consider for easy is that players usually have trouble with things in the middle, 1st and last lanes
21:26 Zillah: you mean 7K ?
21:27 Brainpeeler: yeah
21:27 Brainpeeler: 4k go all out
21:27 Brainpeeler: lol
21:27 Zillah: I'll ask my roommate to let me watch her playing a EZ map ;w;
21:29 Brainpeeler: 2:23:989 this part feels inconsistent with the following parts that have the same sound mapped
21:30 Brainpeeler: 02:27:418 and onwards you mapped it from beat to beat
21:33 Zillah: I replaced the LN in HD to 2 seperated note in EZ
21:34 Zillah: should I keep the LN instead?
21:35 Brainpeeler: looking at the hd again*
21:35 Brainpeeler: if its not too complicated keep the ln i suppose
21:36 Zillah: I know I shouldn't over note the vocal, but there isn't too many sound I can put a note on EZ ;w;
21:37 Brainpeeler: i just meant the ln for that wub wub part
21:37 Brainpeeler: thats 2:23:989 2:27:418 2:34:275
21:37 Brainpeeler: you dont have to follow the notes exactly :o
21:37 Brainpeeler: an instrument*
21:37 Brainpeeler: you can make patterns that just tap to the rhythm :3
21:38 Brainpeeler: like, half map the instrument, then ignore instrument and keep the vocal
21:38 Brainpeeler: then switch back
21:40 Brainpeeler: also i dont think you should add ghost notes in easy just yet
21:40 Zillah: what is a ghost note?
21:41 Brainpeeler: a note you place cause it makes sense, but it doesnt really come out in the song
21:41 Zillah: oh
21:42 Brainpeeler: 30:847 - 32:132
21:42 Brainpeeler: like that
21:46 Brainpeeler: right now im just listening for stuff that you might consider emphasizing
21:47 Zillah: I have been puting 2 notes on snare drum
21:48 Brainpeeler: 1:56:989 is 2 notes and 1:57:418 is 1 note yet the 2 notes i can only hear vocals and the 1 note sounds really strong
21:49 Brainpeeler: 2:11:347 i dont even hear a sound at all :<
21:50 Brainpeeler: unless you meant to map the "sh-"
21:50 Zillah: it is bad lol?
21:50 Brainpeeler: it just doesnt feel like a solid rhythm
21:51 Brainpeeler: but no not bad at all lol
21:51 Zillah: ok
21:51 Brainpeeler: its fine though
21:51 Zillah: I'm putting jacks from 2:13275 ._.
21:51 Zillah: 2:13:275 ._.
21:52 Zillah: 2:13:704*
21:52 Brainpeeler: if its for easy, its not really jacks
21:53 Zillah: ahhhhh
21:53 Zillah: 1/4 seems very hard to beginner
21:53 Brainpeeler: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1067412
21:54 Brainpeeler: just dont make the really fast one jacks >w<
21:54 Brainpeeler: that pattern is easy for beginners since its just one finger but not too fast
21:54 Zillah: I'd totally miss the whole bar lol
21:55 Brainpeeler: its just 8 taps on one finger
21:55 Brainpeeler: medium speed taps
21:55 Zillah: yeah I think I should not use jack from 2:15:418
21:56 Brainpeeler: there should be some point in the difficulty thats a wee bit harder than the rest of the song
21:56 Zillah: but the current notes look very weird
21:57 Brainpeeler: i was thinking something like this
21:57 Brainpeeler: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1067420
21:58 Brainpeeler: since you already used a triple like that in a later part
21:58 Zillah: why skip the blue line?
21:59 Brainpeeler: continuous streams are hard for beginners
21:59 Zillah: ah
21:59 Zillah: you're right
22:00 Brainpeeler: this way they're still in the groove of the jacks but play it like triples as if it were standard mode /.\
22:01 Brainpeeler: also its in the middle so no hand imbalance
22:01 Brainpeeler: though the middle note might be a problem, but it sounds like it should be a challenging part anyway >2<
22:01 Brainpeeler: >w<*
22:02 Zillah: Brain you're a genius!
22:02 Brainpeeler: nawww >///<
22:04 Brainpeeler: i think the main problem of the ez is more on the speed changes
22:05 Zillah: should I soften it or just delete them?
22:05 Brainpeeler: some can be kept for effect but i think you should take out the extremely sudden ones
22:05 Brainpeeler: or soften them at least
22:06 Zillah: ok :3
22:11 Zillah: reuploaded
22:11 Brainpeeler: updating,,,,
22:11 Brainpeeler: o.o
22:12 Brainpeeler: it become not submitted
22:12 Brainpeeler: wuuut
22:12 Zillah: D:
22:13 Brainpeeler: ooooh its cause it was renamed
22:13 Brainpeeler: gonna have to redl
22:13 Zillah: :O
22:13 Zillah: ah
22:13 Brainpeeler: dat slow speed ;w;
22:14 Zillah: take your time to have a break >_<
22:14 Brainpeeler: i didnt do much for your map so i dun need a break :3
22:15 Brainpeeler: time for the waiting game *twiddles thumbs*
22:16 Brainpeeler: looking at the thread, problem with the easies is that they're just the hards with notes taken out
22:17 Brainpeeler: being an easy, i think the mapped parts should be the most apparent rhythm
22:23 Zillah: sorry I suddenly have something urgent, I'll keep online but afk for awhile
22:23 Brainpeeler: ok
22:45 Zillah: if I redesign EZ again it'll look completely different from NM...
22:47 Brainpeeler: its fine for it to not look the same as the other diffs o3o
22:47 Brainpeeler: but the things mapped should not completely differ
22:48 Zillah: is it okay if the patterns are not similar?
22:48 Brainpeeler: yea :D
22:48 Zillah: *facepalm*
22:48 Brainpeeler: in hard and above you usually put in real patterns, and in easier the fully pitch relevant simple patterns
22:49 Brainpeeler: you can check out my latest uploaded map to see how much my easy differs from my insane
22:49 Brainpeeler: im by no means a good mapper but it might give you an idea
22:49 Zillah: will do
22:50 Zillah: I'mma check NM first
23:19 Brainpeeler: oh renaming the diff then updating works
23:20 Zillah: you mean renaming by yourself then it works?
23:20 Brainpeeler: yeah
23:20 Brainpeeler: renaming the diff then it lets me update
23:20 Zillah: interesting XD
23:22 Brainpeeler: speedup at 1:21:847 still a bit awkward >w<
23:23 Brainpeeler: its fine, but im looking at the map with the eyes of a newbie
23:27 Zillah: changed to .8, .85, .9, .95, 1.0
23:27 Zillah: feels better, not sure if it actually is better or not
23:28 Brainpeeler: o theres a speed change at around 2:33:418 thats okay but i wanna suggest something
23:28 Zillah: yes?
23:29 Brainpeeler: the x1 at 2:34:275, try moving it to 2:34:061
23:30 Zillah: do you think it's easier to read?
23:30 Brainpeeler: its the same for me either way
23:31 Zillah: visually I don't see the difference
23:31 Zillah: can't actually play it cause my roommate is sleeping ;w;
23:31 Brainpeeler: with the x1 right on the note, the hold is really close to the judgment line, causing the player to mash that lane
23:32 Brainpeeler: with the x1 slightly farther, the player might mash but will quickly realize that its still coming
23:32 Zillah: then wouldn't it be even higher to get it accurately?
23:32 Brainpeeler: with the slower?
23:32 Brainpeeler: possibly
23:32 Zillah: ah
23:33 Zillah: nvm I read it wrong
23:33 Brainpeeler: with the x1 on the hold itself it probably could increase accuracy for the initial press
23:33 Brainpeeler: but with a newbie's reaction time, the speed change might be a little sudden
23:33 Zillah: that's what I'm thinking
23:34 Zillah: sounds logical
23:35 Brainpeeler: this is the only sv ive found so far with that kind of effect so ill look for some that feel really sudden
23:36 Brainpeeler: that jump at 3:12:847
23:36 Zillah: I'll probably soften the SV of EZ and NM from 0:40-1:50
23:36 Brainpeeler: even i couldnt read it >w<
23:37 Brainpeeler: the speedup is a little fast but not too sudden; the problem is with the major slowdown right after the first note hit
23:38 Zillah: how about 1.2 0.6 1?
23:39 Zillah: ;w; tbh I didn't even notice the SV
23:39 Brainpeeler: a bit more readable... but i already expected an sv there so the only way to test is with someone who hasnt played it before /.\
23:40 Zillah: nvm... I'll soften it more
23:40 Brainpeeler: actually you could just remove those 3 sv if you wanted
23:40 Brainpeeler: its end song anyway
23:40 Zillah: ^
23:41 Zillah: thats a better idea
23:44 Brainpeeler: o this part at 2:42:847
23:44 Brainpeeler: holding lane 6 and placing notes in lane 7 is not beginner friendly
23:45 Zillah: changed already B-)
23:46 Zillah: wait
23:46 Zillah: ok I'll flip it to left hand
23:47 Zillah: how about 2:58:061?
23:48 Brainpeeler: whats there???
23:48 Brainpeeler: hold1 press 3,5?
23:48 Zillah: yes
23:49 Brainpeeler: it feels like it fits with the structure of the song o3o
23:50 Brainpeeler: if you want it to feel more beginner friendly there, you could make the double go on right hand so the left hand is only doing the hold
23:51 Zillah: sounds good
23:53 Brainpeeler: 00:35:775 a 1/2 [57] 6
23:53 Brainpeeler: even i have trouble doing [57] 6 or [13] 2
23:53 Brainpeeler: with newbie's this would be really hard
23:54 Brainpeeler: newbies*
23:55 Zillah: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1067633
23:56 Brainpeeler: you removed 2 notes??
23:56 Zillah: ya
23:57 Brainpeeler: maybe you could keep the middle note since that part sounds strong
23:57 Brainpeeler: but if it conflicts with another diff then nvm
23:59 Zillah: but as you said 57 > 6 is quite hard
23:59 Brainpeeler: i meant the yellow note on the first one o3o
00:00 Brainpeeler: initially it was [13] [57] [26]
00:00 Brainpeeler: p14[*
00:00 Brainpeeler: [14]*
00:00 Zillah: change to 14 47 26?
00:00 Zillah: or 14 7 26?
00:00 Brainpeeler: yeah that
00:01 Brainpeeler: but if its too different from your other difficulties then disregard
00:01 Brainpeeler: this is one part that should be either easier than the other diffs or the same
00:02 Zillah: as you see the right side (HD) is full LN there
00:02 Zillah: somehow NM has a simpler pattern lol
00:03 Brainpeeler: nm should be where you introduce tricky yet simple patterns
00:03 Brainpeeler: and in hard where you get a little bit evil
00:04 Brainpeeler: but reasonable
00:04 Zillah: like 1/4 stairs?
00:04 Brainpeeler: yeah
00:04 Brainpeeler: but not full stream
00:04 Zillah: 123 765?
00:04 Brainpeeler: thats fine
00:04 Zillah: good
00:05 Brainpeeler: official o2jam normals would never be accepted as "normals" here
00:05 Zillah: o2jam nm is about lv 12-20...
00:05 Brainpeeler: which is the level of a lot of ranked insanes
00:05 Zillah: and I actually thought I should make NM as lv 15..
00:06 Brainpeeler: you could do that
00:06 Brainpeeler: but the rule of having a 3star difficulty is still there
00:06 Zillah: but then EZ is like what...lv.5
00:06 Zillah: orz that kinda torture me
00:06 Brainpeeler: that would result in a huge gap from easy to normal, causing the BAT to request a midway diff
00:07 Zillah: NM to HD is a huge gap /_\
00:07 Brainpeeler: gap from hard to insane is allowed to be really big
00:07 Brainpeeler: but not way too big
00:08 Brainpeeler: when someone can pass normal with ease, they should be able to pass the hard mode if they put extra effort into it
00:08 Zillah: ez 837note nm 1156note hd 1804 note...
00:08 Zillah: I'm gonna bang some wall now
00:08 Brainpeeler: note count doesnt matter too much if the patterns are fine
00:09 Brainpeeler: you could add a few notes to normal just to raise the note count
00:09 Zillah: there's a lot more LN in HD
00:09 Zillah: ^^
00:10 Brainpeeler: take a look at ranked map conflict. ez 492 notes nm 965 notes hd 1207 notes collab 1972 notes
00:11 Zillah: collab is madness
00:11 Brainpeeler: there are a few unreadables
00:11 Brainpeeler: but it got ranked cause they can be read
00:11 Brainpeeler: after the first few tries ;;
00:11 Zillah: HD is around 22-24 collab feels like 32
00:12 Brainpeeler: the hard ->insane gap can be huge
00:12 Zillah: ;w;
00:12 Brainpeeler: but the nm -> hd should be just right
00:13 Brainpeeler: ez -> nm can be huge but only note-wise, not pattern-wise
00:13 Zillah: since I don't have an insane diff, I should put more notes on NM
00:15 Brainpeeler: osu crashed ;;
00:16 Zillah: thank god mine didn't crash... I haven't finish taking note
00:16 Zillah: orz
00:22 Zillah: do the SVs from 0:40 to 1:50 still look sudden?
00:23 Brainpeeler: checking
00:25 Brainpeeler: theyre not sudden, but some are really awkward by effect
00:27 Zillah: http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2 ... me-Gif.gif
00:27 Brainpeeler: the part at 1:08:989
00:27 Brainpeeler: ehrmagherd its moving
00:27 Zillah: hahaha
00:32 Zillah: the 353?
00:32 Brainpeeler: 353???
00:33 Zillah: colume 3 5 3l
00:54 Zillah: internet died ;w;
00:55 Zillah: using mobile internet to say this, thank you so much for your help >_< I really appreciate it
00:55 Brainpeeler: glitch
00:55 Brainpeeler: hard to type lol
00:56 Brainpeeler: oh its fine no
00:56 Brainpeeler: w
00:56 Brainpeeler: anyway np >w<
00:56 Brainpeeler: i didnt help much tho
00:56 Zillah: please leave a comment on the thread so at least I can give you a kudosu ;w;
00:56 Zillah: are you serious
00:56 Brainpeeler: what kind of comment??
00:56 Zillah: you spent 4 hours helping me
00:57 Zillah: irc mod or something like that
00:57 Brainpeeler: if thats even acceptable.. ok
00:57 Brainpeeler: posting i guess
00:59 Brainpeeler: wonder if i have the log
01:00 Brainpeeler: i dun think i have the log o3o
01:00 Zillah: I took a screenshot so if anyone have problem with me giving kudosu to you, I'mma post the screenshot on the person's face
01:01 Brainpeeler: so i just post irc mod? o3o
01:01 Zillah: ya
01:01 Brainpeeler: feels weird doing that ~~
01:02 Zillah: pwease~~~
01:02 Brainpeeler: i just post IRC mod ok
01:02 Zillah: ya :3
01:03 Brainpeeler: hmm it would be better if i at least stated some things i changed
01:03 Brainpeeler: that you changed
01:04 Brainpeeler: oh /savelog
01:04 Brainpeeler: do you still have the conversation from a few hrs ago??
01:04 Brainpeeler: in this chatbox
01:05 Zillah: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1067767
01:05 Brainpeeler: just /savelog it and send to me so i can post that
01:06 Zillah: D:
01:06 Zillah: I can do that?
Topic Starter
Zillah

17VA wrote:

[Global]
reduce the volumes? (√)

[7K HD] ... (√)


[4K fantasy] ... (√)
Thank you 17VA :D

Brainpeeler wrote:

almost useless mod :D
Limit Removal
[4K Illusion]
01:33:418 - Speed change makes for misleading beats that will scare amateur players at this section.

[4K Phantom]
You're compensating for 4K's limited mapping options and lower difficulty with dem speed changes, I like them good but this is a bit too much:
00:40:061 - Remove (40061|4)
00:44:775 - Remove (44775|3). There is no sound to map the note to.
00:48:632 - Ditto with (48632|4).
00:50:775 - Remove one note and leave the other, this is a weak beat.
02:04:704 ~ 02:05:561 - Ideally, make a pattern where one key is pressed in every beat alongside with other keys of your choosing, like how you did it in 02:08:132 ~ 02:08:989. Your map is more consistent that way.
02:10:275 ~ 02:12:418 - Overmapped. Those 1/4s... ;)
02:16:275 - Using all four keys to map a very weak sound is bad practice. It's okay to leave your players hanging on that beat. Remove.
00:52:489 - 2nd column note is a bit odd, remove?
02:56:347 - Works better as (176347|1,2) rather than (176347|2,3)
03:04:061 ~ 03:04:275 - The first and second beat should be one note, while the third uses two notes.
03:13:704 ~ 03:16:382 - Overmapped.
03:18:847 ~ 03:22:275 - Again, overmapped.
03:25:704 ~ 03:32:561 - Overmapped yet again. osu!mania doesn't accept maps to nonexistent beats. The epic part of the song has been dealt to the player on the middle, the near-end parts of the song is meant to be as relaxing as the beginning and doesn't deserve 1/8s
Topic Starter
Zillah

Limit Removal wrote:

[4K Illusion]
01:33:418 - Speed change makes for misleading beats that will scare amateur players at this section.
(deleted :D)

[4K Phantom]
You're compensating for 4K's limited mapping options and lower difficulty with dem speed changes, I like them good but this is a bit too much:
00:40:061 - Remove (40061|4)
00:44:775 - Remove (44775|3). There is no sound to map the note to.
00:48:632 - Ditto with (48632|4).
00:50:775 - Remove one note and leave the other, this is a weak beat.
02:04:704 ~ 02:05:561 - Ideally, make a pattern where one key is pressed in every beat alongside with other keys of your choosing, like how you did it in 02:08:132 ~ 02:08:989. Your map is more consistent that way.
02:10:275 ~ 02:12:418 - Overmapped. Those 1/4s... ;)
02:16:275 - Using all four keys to map a very weak sound is bad practice. It's okay to leave your players hanging on that beat. Remove.
00:52:489 - 2nd column note is a bit odd, remove?
02:56:347 - Works better as (176347|1,2) rather than (176347|2,3)
03:04:061 ~ 03:04:275 - The first and second beat should be one note, while the third uses two notes.
(Done)

03:13:704 ~ 03:16:382 - Overmapped.
03:18:847 ~ 03:22:275 - Again, overmapped.
03:25:704 ~ 03:32:561 - Overmapped yet again. osu!mania doesn't accept maps to nonexistent beats. The epic part of the song has been dealt to the player on the middle, the near-end parts of the song is meant to be as relaxing as the beginning and doesn't deserve 1/8s
(Rearranged from 03:13:704, Although I like the little burst >_<)
Thanks for modding :D
Rumia-
/me throw another star \o/
Topic Starter
Zillah

- R u m i a - wrote:

/me throw another star \o/
Thanks rumi x3
[Shi-Ra]
Hi again, Zillah ^w^
Re-check request

Shi-Ra's Patterns Re-check:

(notice that columns are following like 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 for 7K diffs and like 0 1 2 3 for 4K diffs)

4K Illusion
I suggest you to remove SV changes in this diff, it's hard for beginners, seriously

00:56:132 (56132|0) - this LN should ends here 00:56:561 according to the music

00:56:561 (56561|3) - should ends here 00:56:989 - same reason ^

01:17:989 (77989|3) - move to 2nd column, it's difficult for novice player to catch two notes in a row

02:10:275 (130275|0) - should ends here 02:10:704 according to the music

From 02:11:989 to 02:13:704 - connect all LNs to each other

02:13:704 (133704|3) - wow, seems like this note is stuck in LN here, check and remove it

02:20:561 (140561|3) - delete, such chords are hard for EZ


4K Hallucination
00:38:239 (38239|3) - move to 2nd column, continue previous stream, there's no need to place two notes in a row

00:40:704 - add LN here and end it at 00:41:132 in according to the sound here

01:11:561 - add note here to 1st column, vocal continues here

01:44:186 (104186|2) - out of the rhythm, move to 01:44:132

02:08:722 (128722|3) - move to 02:08:775 - same reason ^

03:02:454 (182454|0) - move to 03:02:589 - following the strong beat

03:07:811 (187811|0) - out of the rhythm again, move to 03:07:704


4K Phantom
01:11:561 - add note here to 1st column, according to the vocals

01:45:847 - add note to 1st column again, then add note here 01:46:061 - to 2nd column, same reason ^

01:47:507 (107507|2) - this LN should starts here 01:47:561 according to the vocals

02:10:275 (130275|1,130275|3) - these LNs should ends here 02:10:704 - check LNs after them too, follow the vocal road

From 02:26:347 to 02:26:775 - rearrange these chords, just follow vocals here, there's no need in lots of chords
Listen carefully to the song, there's enough places with unnecessary notes and places without notes, where goes vocal.


7K Illusion
00:15:043 (15043|6) - out of the rhythm, place it here 00:14:989

From 00:39:418 to 00:40:275 - remove some notes or rearrange them, it's difficult to play for EZ

01:00:739 (60739|2) - move to 3rd column, it'll more comfortable to catch

01:14:454 (74454|2) - move to 3rd column too, same reason ^ and it'll be good for your pattern here

01:21:418 (81418|5,81418|1) - move to 0 and 6th columns accordingly, accent this sound and try to avoid pressing three notes in a row so fast in EZ

01:25:489 - add note here to 2nd column according to the vocal

Here 02:33:846 and here 02:34:061 - add notes, following the vocal road again


7K Hallucination
00:47:561 (47561|5) - turn into LN then end it at 00:47:989 - according to vocal road

01:01:275 - add LN here to 5th column, then end it here 01:01:704 - same reason ^

01:56:561 - add note here to 1st column according to the beat

03:32:132 (212132|3) - turn into LN and end it here 03:32:561 - to make effective ending


7K Phantom
01:05:989 (65989|1,65989|3) - delete these notes, there's no need to place mote than 2 notes

Here 01:45:847 and here 01:46:061 - place notes and follow the vocals

01:52:811 (112811|1) - this LN should starts here 01:52:918 - according to vocal

02:04:489 (124489|5) - this LN should ends here 02:04:704 - or it goes mistimed

02:33:847 - follow vocals again and place note here and here 02:34:061

02:48:417 (168417|5) - this LN should ends here 02:48:847 - according to the sound

03:07:489 (187489|2,187489|3,187703|3,187703|2) - wh...what is it? rearrange it, looks weird and uncomfortable to play


Whoa...so tired, hope my re-check will be useful ^^"
Topic Starter
Zillah

[Shi-Ra] wrote:

Hi again, Zillah ^w^
Re-check request

Shi-Ra's Patterns Re-check:

(notice that columns are following like 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 for 7K diffs and like 0 1 2 3 for 4K diffs)

4K Illusion
I suggest you to remove SV changes in this diff, it's hard for beginners, seriously

00:56:132 (56132|0) - this LN should ends here 00:56:561 according to the music

00:56:561 (56561|3) - should ends here 00:56:989 - same reason ^

01:17:989 (77989|3) - move to 2nd column, it's difficult for novice player to catch two notes in a row

02:10:275 (130275|0) - should ends here 02:10:704 according to the music

From 02:11:989 to 02:13:704 - connect all LNs to each other

02:13:704 (133704|3) - wow, seems like this note is stuck in LN here, check and remove it

02:20:561 (140561|3) - delete, such chords are hard for EZ


4K Hallucination
00:38:239 (38239|3) - move to 2nd column, continue previous stream, there's no need to place two notes in a row

00:40:704 - add LN here and end it at 00:41:132 in according to the sound here

01:11:561 - add note here to 1st column, vocal continues here

01:44:186 (104186|2) - out of the rhythm, move to 01:44:132

02:08:722 (128722|3) - move to 02:08:775 - same reason ^

03:02:454 (182454|0) - move to 03:02:589 - following the strong beat

03:07:811 (187811|0) - out of the rhythm again, move to 03:07:704


4K Phantom
01:11:561 - add note here to 1st column, according to the vocals

01:45:847 - add note to 1st column again, then add note here 01:46:061 - to 2nd column, same reason ^

01:47:507 (107507|2) - this LN should starts here 01:47:561 according to the vocals

02:10:275 (130275|1,130275|3) - these LNs should ends here 02:10:704 - check LNs after them too, follow the vocal road

From 02:26:347 to 02:26:775 - rearrange these chords, just follow vocals here, there's no need in lots of chords
Listen carefully to the song, there's enough places with unnecessary notes and places without notes, where goes vocal.


7K Illusion
00:15:043 (15043|6) - out of the rhythm, place it here 00:14:989

From 00:39:418 to 00:40:275 - remove some notes or rearrange them, it's difficult to play for EZ

01:00:739 (60739|2) - move to 3rd column, it'll more comfortable to catch

01:14:454 (74454|2) - move to 3rd column too, same reason ^ and it'll be good for your pattern here

01:21:418 (81418|5,81418|1) - move to 0 and 6th columns accordingly, accent this sound and try to avoid pressing three notes in a row so fast in EZ

01:25:489 - add note here to 2nd column according to the vocal

Here 02:33:846 and here 02:34:061 - add notes, following the vocal road again


7K Hallucination
00:47:561 (47561|5) - turn into LN then end it at 00:47:989 - according to vocal road

01:01:275 - add LN here to 5th column, then end it here 01:01:704 - same reason ^

01:56:561 - add note here to 1st column according to the beat

03:32:132 (212132|3) - turn into LN and end it here 03:32:561 - to make effective ending


7K Phantom
01:05:989 (65989|1,65989|3) - delete these notes, there's no need to place mote than 2 notes

Here 01:45:847 and here 01:46:061 - place notes and follow the vocals

01:52:811 (112811|1) - this LN should starts here 01:52:918 - according to vocal

02:04:489 (124489|5) - this LN should ends here 02:04:704 - or it goes mistimed

02:33:847 - follow vocals again and place note here and here 02:34:061

02:48:417 (168417|5) - this LN should ends here 02:48:847 - according to the sound

03:07:489 (187489|2,187489|3,187703|3,187703|2) - wh...what is it? rearrange it, looks weird and uncomfortable to play


Whoa...so tired, hope my re-check will be useful ^^"
All done, fixed and rearranged the mentioned time tags.
Thanks Shi-Ra, you're always helpful :3
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