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Hatsune Miku - Joker

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Yuukari-Banteki
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Yuukari-Banteki
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Monday, November 02, 2009 at 12:47:40 AM

Artist: Hatsune Miku
Title: Joker
Source: sm5251189
BPM: 142
Filesize: 16206kb
Play Time: 02:55
Difficulties Available:
  1. Easy (1.48 stars, 122 notes)
  2. Hard (4.93 stars, 378 notes)
  3. Larto's Normal (3.57 stars, 169 notes)
  4. SFG Insane (5 stars, 562 notes)
Download: Hatsune Miku - Joker
Download: Hatsune Miku - Joker (no video)
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My third SFG Insane ever! This is gonna be great guys~ ;o

uploaded with better timing

im really worried about my Insane having too high of a max score >_>; opinions?

map complete ^0^ video added (thanks blissfulyoshi!)

mapped the rest of the song on Easy

ihtfp
Last edited by Yuukari-Banteki , edited 24 times in total.
blissfulyoshi
osu! Alumni
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blissfulyoshi
Did some initial testing. Might come back to mod later.

Star.
adam2046
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adam2046
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Ephemeral
Inland Empire
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Joined April 2009
Ephemeral
BPM and offset look okay.

Pardon me for the ninja-modding, but I'm bored and yours was first on the forum page so:

[Hard]

01:16:08 (1,2,3) - Unexpected triple beats are the MOST ANNOYING beat mapping technique ever devised by man. If you're going to do this, at least follow it up with more triple beats. Because right after this (at 01:18:83 (1,2,3)) you throw a separated faux-triple beat which would seriously screw up most people. Unless you want it to be this way. Which is fine too.

01:22:84 (1) - Kiai should begin with this note. Why you placed it before and potentially borked your offset for the rest of the map is beyond me.

[01:51:94 - 02:16:00] - Random 17 second breaks during perfectly mappable bits of the song do not a good map make. This is just lazy.

I will star this, but only because the rest of the beatmap (aside from the break) is reasonable. Let me know when insane is finished.
cyanberryio
424 posts
Joined August 2008
cyanberryio
Alright, a little late because of er... "slow downloads."

[General]
Easy to Hard feel like too much of difficulty jump, IMO. I don't know if you planned to make a Normal. But think about it?

[Easy]
00:42:28 - Break is slightly off, reinsert. (I always check this, become a habit to notice the smallest mistakes on this. :P)

[Hard]
02:38:90 (4,5,6) - Confuzzuled me. ._. (Don't like how 4 overlaps 6)
And the breaks, reinsert them. :P

[Insane]
00:52:42 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Defines Insane. :P But kinda tricky, pointing this out, cause I don't like it a little. :\
Reinsert first and second breaks.
The increased spacing kinda confused me, but it was still possible, and fun.

I like this one. Especially Insane, up to a point. :P jk
m980
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m980
[Hard]
02:03:61 (1,2) - Huh?
02:57:49 - End map here plz

[SFG Insane]
00:44:50 - AHAHAHAHA BREAK
01:08:37 (8) - Huh?
00:55:80 (1,2,3) - As quoted from SFG. "in-combo jumps? really?" And for the other ones like this
01:27:90 (7,8) - in-combo anti-jumps? really? And for the others ones like this
01:23:68 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - Huh?
02:57:49 - End map here plz
Timing for this on is MESSED UP. Copy [Hard]'s timing plz.
I think the spacing is abit extreme for this..

Why name it SFG insane if it's your map?
Yuukari-Banteki
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Yuukari-Banteki

m980 wrote:

[SFG Insane]
00:55:80 (1,2,3) - As quoted from SFG. "in-combo jumps? really?" And for the other ones like this - the entire combo is a single pattern, thats why
01:27:90 (7,8) - in-combo anti-jumps? really? And for the others ones like this - do they really mess you up? i see them used a TON. also it looks better stacking on the other note imho
01:23:68 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - Huh? - 's perfectly readable to me, except for the superflash of kiai on the first stack...ah well i unstacked it anyways now its even harder~

I think the spacing is abit extreme for this.. - it wouldnt quite capture my insanity otherwise~

Why name it SFG insane if it's your map? - cus i call them my SFG Insanes

thanks for modding~
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
[Easy]
01:04:88 (2) - End with a clap?

[Hard]
00:51:36 (3,4) - Clap the end of these sliders
^ unless you like how it is now better
01:35:52 (3) - Remove Clap
01:51:15 (4) - Clap?
...what happened to the claps anyways?
01:52:21 (4) - Clap end of here
01:54:95 (4) - Clap beginning of slider
01:55:80 (5) - Clap end of slider
01:58:33 (2) - Clap
01:59:18 (6) - Clap end of slider?
02:01:71 (4) - Clap beginning of slider
02:46:50 (7) - Remove clap at end of slider

[Insane]
You don't really need to call it SFG's Insane...
00:58:33 (1) - Remove clap at end
01:28:76 (10) - ^
Large spacing scares me...
02:13:86 (4) - Remove?
Cuddlebun
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Cuddlebun
yesss

have a star I insist
blissfulyoshi
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blissfulyoshi
Easy:
fine

Hard:
SPOILER
combo mod:
00:36:57 (4) - new combo (since your previous 2 set of lyrics had lyrics and instruments as separate combos, I wanted to make this one consistent)
00:40:16 (6) - new combo
01:17:14 (6) - new combo
02:04:46 (4) - new combo
02:11:22 (4) - new combo

Insane: (this difficulty is hard enough to justify the score)
SPOILER
combo mod:
00:59:81 (3) - new combo for spacing?
01:51:57 (3) - new combo (same reason as the ones in hard)
01:53:79 (2) - new combo (spacing)
01:54:11 (4) - " "

Nice map.
BlueskY_old
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Joined April 2009
BlueskY_old
good
Derekku
COOL DUDE
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Derekku

m980 wrote:

Why name it SFG insane if it's your map?
I don't get this either. The definition of insane or crazy is already "SFG", so isn't this redundant? :P

[Insane]
02:41:43 (1,2) - This is unrankable. ;)

[Hard]
Nice. I like it <3

[Easy]
Easy, simple, straightforward.

kthxbaistar
Larto
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Larto
This map has been deleted on the request of its creator. It is no longer available.
Derekku
COOL DUDE
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Derekku
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Larto
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Larto
~

Download: Hatsune Miku - Joker (Saturos-fangirl) [Larto's Normal].osu
Larto
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Larto
This map has been deleted on the request of its creator. It is no longer available.

Download: Hatsune Miku - Joker (Saturos-fangirl) [Larto's Normal].osu
Paulo8624
105 posts
Joined February 2009
Paulo8624
Awesomeness... incredible!

My only suggestion is:

[SFG Insane]
Since the video ends shortly after the map, 10s, you could make a SB so that the video would run until it was complete. [Like when there are songs where a Skip>> opens up after the map ends, to keep the video going]

Just a suggestion, REALLY optional, but I like when the video doesn't end abruptly.
Jarby
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Jarby
Resize the background to 800x600. Set an audio preview at the first chorus.

SFG Insane:

00:38:90 (1,1,1,1,1) - :(
00:52:42 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - :( :(
00:56:85 (1) - Remove new combo.
00:57:49 (7) - New combo.
I'll forget about modding the rest of the difficulty, I feel like I'll nazi everything even remotely difficult.

Hard:

00:39:95 (1) - Remove new combo.
00:40:16 (6) - New combo.
01:22:42 (1) - Sort of unfair having a note right after a spinner considering this is only a Hard difficulty.
01:23:26 (1) - Remove new combo.
01:26:64 (1) - Remove new combo.
01:30:02 (1) - Remove new combo.
01:33:40 (1) - Remove new combo. Remove the second combo circle from every single JOKER in this map from here on, then.
01:34:67 (1) - Remove new combo.
02:16:50 (1) - Spinner notes directly after thingy.
02:38:26 (1) - Remove new combo.
02:55:80 (1) - Remove new combo.

Larto's Normal:

00:52:42 (1) - 1/1 forward, add finish and delete the next two circles.
01:09:32 (1) - Add finish.
01:19:46 (1) - Nice small intestine slider you got there. Feels a bit out of place, though.
02:03:40 (1) - Finish.
02:15:87 (6) - Remove.
02:37:21 (1) - Stacking.
PicoLo
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PicoLo
~Star. ;)
WyndII
777 posts
Joined October 2008
WyndII
I don't get the vid. o.O
Anyway, star~
Jarby
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Jarby
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Metruzero
119 posts
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Metruzero
I love the song and the map! Here's 2 stars!
Last edited by Metruzero , edited 1 time in total.
LuigiHann
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General:
The dark blue combo color is hard to see in many places.
The custom sounds are interesting

[Easy] Mostly minor things:
00:40:59 (2,3) - I'm not a big fan of stacking notes after the ends of sliders in Easy difficulties. You can leave it if you want, but I think it (and others like it) would be fine unstacked...
00:55:80 (1) - Why is this not a finish?
01:00:45 (1) - Ends awkward, either the previous white tick or the following white tick would work better, in my opinion
01:24:53 (2) - Not crazy about how this one looks.
01:49:88 (1) - finish again
02:00:23 (1) - Sort of a "huh?" when I first played. Just not a very emphasized beat to put a circle on for an Easy
02:45:66 (2) - yeah same shape again. It's not really an issue but it could look better, you know?

[Larto's Normal] MOSTLY good
00:37:63 (2) - This feels particularly under-spaced.
01:19:46 (1) - Really great slider. I like it :D
02:14:39 (2) - osu did not flip this well, so it is ugly and lop-sided. Not sure how to fix it, but try again.
02:16:92 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4) - Bad choice here. Terrible way to map the section. You can do better.
02:30:45 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - This looks fine in editor, but when you play, the stack gets so tall that 02:36:78 (5) doesn't stack properly... and even if it did, it would look bad.

[Hard] I like the spacing on "JOH KAH."
00:32:14 (1,2) - This tripped me up a bit. Could be because I suck, but I think it's because the slider and the following beat are mapped to different instruments with no signal or time to adjust
01:35:52 (3,4) - This is hard to read because up to this point, notes stacked on slider ends have been 1/2 beat after the slider ends, and this one's only 1/4... unstacking it might actually be better... or jyst end the slider earlier
02:56:64 (3,4) - ^

[SFG Insane] Just my personal opinion, but a difficulty like this isn't a very good fit for this song, overall.
I won't pick it apart but here are some thoughts:
01:06:15 (1,1) - Using this spacing here totally dilutes the impact of the "JOH KAH" spacing later
02:16:92 (1) through 02:30:23 (7) - I kind of like this part. Or at least, I feel like this is the part where the insanity feels warranted. I feel like if you set this part as the "most insane" part, and scaled the rest of the map down so that it builds up to get here, it would work better.

Or something
greendamn
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greendamn
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Gens
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Gens

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

aight fuck the ranking system, those of you who want the map can play it and no one else has to be arsed, so there
Does that means you won't accept any mods now? So I can skip it~
Jarby
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Jarby
TROLLTROLLTROLLTROLL
Gabi
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Gabi
what the fuck
Alace
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Alace
It`s a joke
O_O-long
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O_O-long
~~~~~
ztrot
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ztrot
I'm All for crazy jumps But Insane is well Insane
I tryed to mod this but that spacing makes no sense to me.
You can call me a hypocrite but I really don't think Insane is rankable.
But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it is. And let your bubble stand for now
Other diffs are ok I guess rankable at least.

:EDIT I Get it now
Yuukari-Banteki
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Yuukari-Banteki

ztrot wrote:

I'm All for crazy jumps But Insane is well Insane
I tryed to mod this but that spacing makes no sense to me.
You can call me a hypocrite but I really don't think Insane is rankable.
But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it is. And let your bubble stand for now
Other diffs are ok I guess rankable at least.

:EDIT I Get it now
with all due respect
1. I've passed my own Insane. I believe that meets the difficulty criterion.
2. I have absolutely nothing against you guys ranking this map, you can rank it if you want to.
Jarby
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Jarby
I like how your 2 points were only vaguely related to the reason that it was popped.
Mystearica
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MegaManEXE
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Passing with No Fail doesn't count
Larto
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Larto
I'm not the greatest players, so can we stop arguing about this map being too hard now?

Download: Larto - Hatsune Miku - Joker [SFG Insane] (2009-10-30) Osu.osr

Derekku
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ztrot
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ztrot
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Jarby
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Jarby
I was serious.
Larto
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Larto

ztrot wrote:

Just cuz you can pass it doesn't mean it's right
the spacing and jumps donesn't fit The music and the fact that jarjarjacob put Troll troll troll
goes to show that he thinks it's a joke.
Then tell SFG what she needs to change jesus christ. All I did was prove that this map was beatable <.<
Jarby
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Jarby
Remove Insane, problem solved.
Yuukari-Banteki
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Yuukari-Banteki

Larto wrote:

Then tell SFG what she needs to change jesus christ.
no one can change Jesus Christ. not even me. Also, I've seen more difficult maps ranked before...consistency please? I'm not going to change my map. Hell, I haven't even run osu! in the past two months. But there's no reason for it not to be ranked, and arguing that something can't be ranked because its "too hard?" That sounds like exactly the type of thing that would get any mapper on your ass for being biased against their map and too strict. In fact... many players and BAT have shown the standard to be otherwise. Just yknow, fyi
yaya
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just a joke
ztrot
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ztrot
.....
anonymous_old
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For what it's worth, Insane is quite intuitive for me. Some learning is required, and some parts are difficult to play, but it's not really that difficult to read or understand.
RemmyX25
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Yuukari-Banteki
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RemmyX25 wrote:

SFG's Insane:
Can't this just be called Insane? already addressed
Also, the jumps at 00:52:422 to 00:54:746 AND 01:46:506 - 01:48:830 are similar to TAG4 jumps. The last two are a good distance from each other though. done the most i will
00:56:64 (3) - If you're going to keep the jumps before it, make this a new combo as well since it breaks the combos distance snap. part of a symmetrical combo. this is perfectly legit and has been seen in hundreds of ranked maps
01:25:80 (12) - Stack this with the slider this is intentionally unstacked as is ALSO the case in many ranked maps. its a #chinese sort of trick
01:29:18 (11) - ^
02:21:15 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - This just looks plain ugly fix'd
02:29:60 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Not entirely spaced consistantly fix'd
02:46:92 (12) - Stack etc as before
02:50:30 (11) - ^

Some of your other big jumps could be just a tad smaller in my opinion. Not by much, just a little. fix'd

Easy:
Well done for an easy. The only suggestion i can make is to make the hit circles larger. (You know me and my large hitcircle for easy diffs thing)
Oh and these:
01:24:11 (1,2) - The left side would look better straighter. fix'd
02:45:23 (1,2) - Copy ^ that slider and replace this one with it. This one doesnt look right. fix'd
SUGGESTION: 02:34:88 (1) - make this a slider instead which lasts until the red tick. It would sound better imo. fix'd

Larto's Normal:
It sucks. just kidding ilu larto
Maximum Score 1,337,484. Nice.

Hard:
01:35:94 (4) - Stack with slider no. already explained.
02:57:49 (1) - Difficult to see. Highly recommend moving. fix'd
RemmyX25
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Why did you delete this map
Derekku
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Saturos-fangirl wrote:

I've seen more difficult maps ranked before...consistency please?
Very very true. I guess personally, I just hate the difficulty jump from Hard to Insane. If there was a regular insane (instead of batshit insane), I'd be more fine with the hardest diff. I guess this is the same argument as with "make an easy". "Make a regular insane." Oh well :?
anonymous_old
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RemmyX25 wrote:

Why did you delete this map
delete the thread, too, silly.
Derekku
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Derekku
This thread saddens me. :(
anonymous_old
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17:43 < strager> 00:57:492 (4,5,6,1,2,3) - I liked the L's
17:43 < strager> 01:00:873 (4,6) - Not identical SFG ..
17:44 < strager> hflip plzzz
17:45 < strager> 01:14:605 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - wtf is this SFG
17:46 < strager> Saturos-fangirl: I suggest you have lesjuh look at this
17:46 < strager> if he hasn't already
17:46 < strager> Saturos-fangirl: this confused me at first: 01:54:112 (1,2,3) - I read it as the hflip of the previous combo, so I hit 2,1,2 instead of 1,2,1
17:48 < strager> Saturos-fangirl: 02:44:816 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - hflip?
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