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Milkshake
BABY ANGLE
johnmedina999

Milkshake wrote:

BABY ANGLE
Razzy
that's a cute angle you've got there
johnmedina999
Thanks! It's doing great in school too, I'm glad it's not obtuse.
Aurani

Foxtrot wrote:

too bad your qt bby angle can be quite annoying at times!

Love you, Aurani <3
Well I'll admit I overdid it by claiming the ENTIRETY of it was shit. Some places and people there genuinely make me want to visit it, and when I say visit it, I mean *actually stay there for quite a while*. Yes, most crowded places there are filled with the same people I mentioned in the argument we had, but the rural places as well as some towns are absolutely filled with nothing but beauty and niceness. I'll try not to be more reasonable, but it's definitely not some kind of act or fake personality or whatever Bird was on about.
<3
Aurani
Fuck this editing shit.
I'll try to be more reasonable*
DaddyCoolVipper


History lesson for B1rd and anyone else who admires the Nazis.
Aurani
I'm only one minute into the video and already there's bullshit there. The fuck do the Jews have to do with American gun control? He's taking ONE incident in modern history and uses it for his own argument. I'm VERY interested in hearing what he has to say because this is actually just laughable.
"How many Jews would've been put in ovens if they had guns" - that's not how it fucking works lmao
No civilian, no matter how deranged, would've shot someone who told them that they need to come with them because they're under investigation or another specified reason, and by the time the Jews DID know where they were going (aka going to be murdered) they were facing actual soldiers so yeah, good luck giving a random civilian a gun and telling them to shoot 5 fully equipped soldiers with professional training. Even if we make the assumption that they COULD shoot and possibly get rid of their captors, we're talking about a 1 in a thousand case, and even THEN, where is that person going to go? You have to remember, they kinda LIVED IN GERMANY. You couldn't have left Germany without a reason by the time they started mass-killing the Jews. The Jews who did run away, ran away before that started happening, but after they started mistreating them.
tl;dr Most of them didn't see such a thing coming, and even if they did, they would've been powerless to stop it, because owning a gun has shitall to do with being taken prisoner and burned in an oven in a concentration camp.

Now let's see what the vid has to offer
DaddyCoolVipper
Yeah, it's incredibly sad to see people pushing that argument. They're either completely ignorant as to the historical context of the Jews in Germany at the time, or they're being deliberately disingenuous to pander to people who politically already agree with them and see no need to check the factual accuracy of what they're hearing.

I'm going to assume the latter, because people like Ben Shapiro pull this shit so often that it all being accidental ignorance just seems ridiculous. You can Google this stuff in five seconds.
B1rd
So basically, Ben Carson said something wrong? That's an awfully roundabout of saying it.

I agree with Ben Shapiro; even if the Jews didn't have a chance of defeating the Third Reich, self defence is still a right and moral good, even if you die in the process. Much better than dying like sheep.
B1rd
Awfully convenient though to suddenly shift the subject to guns.
Aurani
Yeah okay this guy is actually supporting my point and isn't against it.
Aurani
In my opinion, I don't have anything against owning guns, but under SERIOUSLY HEAVY regulations, or if not heavy, just extremely annoying to deal with.
I would love to use Serbia as an example of that, where you actually need to go through fifty thousand loops, sign a shitton of documents, join a shooting range and go through actual training, get 3 licences and pass a psycho test to get a gun (and no random stores to buy military-grade guns either, those have to be bought with yet more paper signing and other shit).
DaddyCoolVipper

Aurani wrote:

In my opinion, I don't have anything against owning guns, but under SERIOUSLY HEAVY regulations, or if not heavy, just extremely annoying to deal with.
I would love to use Serbia as an example of that, where you actually need to go through fifty thousand loops, sign a shitton of documents, join a shooting range and go through actual training, get 3 licences and pass a psycho test to get a gun (and no random stores to buy military-grade guns either, those have to be bought with yet more paper signing and other shit).
Sounds good to me, too. I'm pretty libertarian to some extent; I think freedom should be a decent priority. I don't see why Americans seem to think that freedom to buy and use guns should extent to any fucking lunatic though; restrictions that try to ensure that they're in the hands of good people are just common sense, from my perspective.
B1rd
America's violence problem isn't due to lack of gun restrictions, It's due to a multitude of factors, like the drug war, gang and ethnic violence as I've pointed out before. The mantra of "guns don't kill people, people kill people" applies because there are heaps of countries with high gun ownership that don't have the problems America does.

Serbia actually has one of the highest rates of firearm ownership in the world, and has a lower homicide rate than many other European nations.
DaddyCoolVipper

B1rd wrote:

It's due to a multitude of factors, like


...lack of gun restrictions?


Why are you arguing with a strawman, B1rd? I don't think I've seen anyone- EVER- argue that gun violence is solely caused by a lack of gun restrictions. Think before you start rattling off propaganda talking points for once, would you.
abraker

B1rd wrote:

America's violence problem isn't due to lack of gun restrictions, It's due to a multitude of factors, like the drug war, gang and ethnic violence as I've pointed out before
That's why you create restriction to filter out people like these from having guns. Drug addict? No gun for you. Engaged in ethnic violence? No gun for you. Part of a gang? No gun for you. And so on.
B1rd
Are you using the new forum? Traitor.

Did you spontaneously drop 20 IQ points? Because that's a really bad interpretation of my post. Violence doesn't originate in guns, it originates in people. And you see this in my point about all the countries that have loose gun restrictions but have low homicide. As I've pointed out, gun availability has little effect on homicide rates, and you're a lot better off targeting the root causes rather than going on a crusade to violate people's rights. Since gun control has never proven effective at lowering violence. Like in Australia, where the gun buyback did pretty much nothing (except for spiking up the burglary rate by a fuckton), and New Zealand which didn't institute the same measures has the same decline in homicide that was already happening before the gun restriction.


abraker wrote:

That's why you create restriction to filter out people like these from having guns. Drug addict? No gun for you. Engaged in ethnic violence? No gun for you. Part of a gang? No gun for you. And so on.
I don't have a problem with restricting firearms from irresponsible people, problem is it's a really bad idea to give that decision making power of who is "responsible" to the state. I'd rather than responsibility be upon the community and firearm distributors. Although in current society it's basically illegal to deny service to anyone so there's your problem.
DaddyCoolVipper
I switch to the new forum to edit posts and then switch back, lol.

The point of my response is that lack of restrictions on guns is ONE of the contributing factors to America's problem with gun violence. You can't just hand-wave it away while listing off other loosely-connected factors; you're revealing a bias when you do so.

The gun restrictions newly put into place in Australia were followed by a sharp drop in gun violence, but it's unclear as to what extent those restrictions and buybacks were responsible for changing crime rates, since non-gun-related violence also dropped (by an even larger extent, apparently). I won't rule out there being absolutely no correlation though: in America, gun ownership and gun homicide rates are very closely related, with each 1% of gun ownership accounting for 0.9% of gun homicides. (source: http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/ab ... 013.301409 )

Why would firearm distributors limit sales? They're private companies, they'll sell to anyone who wants to pay them. That's why we have state regulations in the first place, lol. Profit-driven isn't necessarily best for members of society, although somehow I doubt you'll agree there, considering how much pro-free market propaganda you seem to have swallowed...
abraker

B1rd wrote:

I'd rather than responsibility be upon the community and firearm distributors. Although in current society it's basically illegal to deny service to anyone so there's your problem.
Firearm distributors cam deny someone service, can they? I know they may get a bed rep from it, but I am not aware of any law making it illegal.
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B1rd

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

I switch to the new forum to edit posts and then switch back, lol.

The point of my response is that lack of restrictions on guns is ONE of the contributing factors to America's problem with gun violence. You can't just hand-wave it away while listing off other loosely-connected factors; you're revealing a bias when you do so.

The gun restrictions newly put into place in Australia were followed by a sharp drop in gun violence, but it's unclear as to what extent those restrictions and buybacks were responsible for changing crime rates, since non-gun-related violence also dropped (by an even larger extent, apparently). I won't rule out there being absolutely no correlation though: in America, gun ownership and gun homicide rates are very closely related, with each 1% of gun ownership accounting for 0.9% of gun homicides. (source: http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/ab ... 013.301409 )

Why would firearm distributors limit sales? They're private companies, they'll sell to anyone who wants to pay them. That's why we have state regulations in the first place, lol. Profit-driven isn't necessarily best for members of society, although somehow I doubt you'll agree there, considering how much pro-free market propaganda you seem to have swallowed...
That's not true. Firstly, gun-related violence is irrelevant, total homicide is what matters. Secondly, non-gun homicide did actually increase, or rather, it didn't decrease in line with overall homicide. Knife murder barely decreased at all, being 110 a year in 1997, being 86 now. Hands/feet and "other" homicide spiked somewhat after the 1996 buyback, gradually decreasing from then on. http://www.crimestats.aic.gov.au/NHMP/1_trends/

Burglary also spiked after the buyback https://web.archive.org/web/20180120172 ... crime.html

But even if it did increase homicide, Australia never had a problem with homicide. I absolutely reject the notion that people's rights be infringed upon for marginal benefits at best.

And as for private means of gun control, private companies do seek generally to maximise profits, that's why it's a good idea to be discriminating in who sell your guns to. It's bad PR to have a gun you sold be an instrument in a mass shooting. Just change the federal FBI checks and change it with some private licensure scheme, and I can bet you that most vendors would adopt that as a requirement for purchase.

abraker wrote:

B1rd wrote:

I'd rather than responsibility be upon the community and firearm distributors. Although in current society it's basically illegal to deny service to anyone so there's your problem.
Firearm distributors cam deny someone service, can they? I know they may get a bed rep from it, but I am not aware of any law making it illegal.
Well it actually seems that gun stores can deny service, which is good. But generally, private property owners aren't allowed to discriminate. https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/20 ... -they-want
DaddyCoolVipper
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2530362


"There was a more rapid decline in firearm deaths between 1997 and 2013 compared with before 1997 but also a decline in total nonfirearm suicide and homicide deaths of a greater magnitude."


I will say, though, that gun restrictions have absolutely proven effective in combating mass shootings.

"From 1979-1996 (before gun law reforms), 13 fatal mass shootings occurred in Australia, whereas from 1997 through May 2016 (after gun law reforms), no fatal mass shootings occurred."
DaddyCoolVipper

B1rd wrote:

And as for private means of gun control, private companies do seek generally to maximise profits, that's why it's a good idea to be discriminating in who sell your guns to. It's bad PR to have a gun you sold be an instrument in a mass shooting.

I don't think this has ever been relevant; seems more like fantasy on your end. Hell, you can even argue that companies benefit from mass shootings. The massacre in Las Vegas proved that the bump stock is pretty effective, right? And let's not forget that "bulletproof backpacks" sold out (https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/regi ... in-florida) in Florida after a school shooting.

Now the government's spending a ton of money giving teachers firearms and training. Companies are making a lot of money from mass shootings.
Aurani
As for Bird's point for Serbia having one of the highest gun ownership scores in the world with low homicide rates, I can't really explain it. Yes, it's true, almost every 10th household has a full auto left over from the wars in the 20th century (it's even worse in Bosnia where it's every 5th household) yet I'm guessing the shootings don't happen because... poverty? I don't see how we're any different than the chaps in Hungary or Poland for that matter - we don't have racial wars because Asians aren't into violence and we don't have that many negros, and we aren't multicultural either apart from the local cultures mixing (Hungarians, Romanians, Bosniaks, Croats etc) and the only place where violence IS prevalent is on Kosovo due to the blight known as Albanians being actual cancer and burning homes and whatnot.
So yeah, idk how else I can explain why we have it as we do.
B1rd
Bump stocks are just gimmicks, sure they let you fire fast but also make your fire super inaccurate. Banning them is just stupid, any guy with a workbench in his shed can make a bumpstock, and you don't even need one to bump fire.

That's the second time this week I've heard the claim that "there's been no mass shootings in Australia", which isn't even correct, which you can see with just a Google search. Shows more than anything some studies are quite biased and probably defined mass shooting in some super arbitrary way. with controversial issues like this, it's best not to bother on reports by other people and just examine the data yourself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... _Australia

There's been mass shootings, maybe you can argue that there hasn't been as many, but you could also argue that there's been more arson and vehicle attacks. Gun control may decrease mas shootings, but mass shootings are a tiny proportion of gun violence anyway. Even in the US where mass shootings seem to be a regular occurrence, they are empirically quite uncommon - the US is quite a populous country, mass shootings are over sensationalised by the media and made out to be an epidemic, when they're really not. In the USA, more people die in car accidents per day than people are killed by mass shootings every year.

Even if gun availability increases the rate of mass shootings, I don't believe it's right to restrict the rights of the majority just because a tiny, tiny proportion of people do the wrong thing. And if you think it's okay to infringe upon people's rights to save lives, then your first target should be sugar and cigarettes.


Aurani wrote:

As for Bird's point for Serbia having one of the highest gun ownership scores in the world with low homicide rates, I can't really explain it. Yes, it's true, almost every 10th household has a full auto left over from the wars in the 20th century (it's even worse in Bosnia where it's every 5th household) yet I'm guessing the shootings don't happen because... poverty? I don't see how we're any different than the chaps in Hungary or Poland for that matter - we don't have racial wars because Asians aren't into violence and we don't have that many negros, and we aren't multicultural either apart from the local cultures mixing (Hungarians, Romanians, Bosniaks, Croats etc) and the only place where violence IS prevalent is on Kosovo due to the blight known as Albanians being actual cancer and burning homes and whatnot.
So yeah, idk how else I can explain why we have it as we do.
Well, I think that goes along with what I've been saying, it's not people owning guns that automatically causes violence, but societal instability and ethnic conflict being causes, with guns just being a means.
B1rd
Why are pro Second Amendment girls such cuties?


Compared to Left-wing women...

DaddyCoolVipper
Questionable tastes there
B1rd
Maybe your eyesight is questionable..
Xinnoh
test
Xinnoh
test 2
Zain Sugieres
old.ppy.sh
johnmedina999
same
Mara
no
DJ Enetro
Am I really the toxic shit of OT, or are you letting me get to your heads?
And is satisfying the majority really superior to self-gratification?
It might be obvious for you guys, but not for me...
Green Platinum

DJ Enetro wrote:

Am I really the toxic shit of OT, or are you letting me get to your heads?
And is satisfying the majority really superior to self-gratification?
It might be obvious for you guys, but not for me...
What answer do you want so you stop making posts like this?
DJ Enetro
Nothing satisfies me really...

As for the rest of you, I advise you to get out of OT before it’s too late.
Comfy Slippers


ppy.sh is next
abraker

DJ Enetro wrote:

As for the rest of you, I advise you to get out of OT before it’s too late.
before what?
Achromalia

DJ Enetro wrote:

Am I really the toxic shit of OT, or are you letting me get to your heads?
And is satisfying the majority really superior to self-gratification?
It might be obvious for you guys, but not for me...
So does everything I say prompt this from you?

I'm kidding, but now it seems like you're starting to pick up the idea of self-gratification because I mentioned it once in a different thread.

I don't know what you're even trying to do, really. By the way, I never really thought you were the toxic shit of OT, if that's what you thought. If not, then I don't know why you're even asking.

"Satisfying the majority" being "superior to self-gratification", hmm. Is there some sort of complex going on here or...? Like, do you actually feel like people just want you to post something that satisfies their needs? How does that relate to you with "self-gratification", other than that it's the sort of tone your posts have?

From what I'm seeing, i'd say the problem isn't "noone understands me", neither is it "apparently i dont understand anyone", but more of "i cant seem convey my ideas properly".

I wouldn't be able to answer your questions since I never had an opinion on it in the first place, but anyhow, I'm just wondering what prompts all of this, as if you're feeling "intellectually isolated" or something.

I mean the way you sound, it's as if sometime in the future, you'd make a post worthy of being in /r/iamverysmart.
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