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B1rd
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Aurani wrote:

I love such comparisons that both the left and the right come up with. Listen, the entirety of the USA is a shithole and everyone there is to blame. Not the whites, not the negros, not the yellows. It's about their national culture being completely fucked up. From the way they raise their children to the way they function as humans - just fucked up.
Such mentality is slowly creeping up to Europe, where old traditions and life are being replaced by feces.

Traditionalism > cancer
How irritating are smug and condescending Europeans who think that they're just culturally and politically enlightened compared to the USA. The US's problems aren't its culture, they're a result of an over centralised and corrupt political system that has progressed over decades and a failed melting pot experiment, both of which Europe are going to experience with the EU and its mass migration policies. We'll see who's laughing then.

Culture is largely an expression of genes. If anybody supports mass immigration, he should be required that they spend at least a year living in a country where the proposed immigrants make up a majority.
abraker
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B1rd wrote:

Culture is largely an expression of genes.
Bahavior is part of culture too, not just appearances
DaddyCoolVipper
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DaddyCoolVipper

B1rd wrote:

Culture is largely an expression of genes.

l m f a o

Imagine being this deluded, hooly shit. Tell me, B1rd, when you were a NEET who was taking government benefits, did your strong white male genes guide you down that path?
Zain Sugieres
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Zain Sugieres
lol
Aurani
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Aurani
Okay that did make me laugh. It's healthy to make such jokes every now and then, Birdman.

All the problems with the citizens of North America stem from them and them only - not their government nor their..... genes.
DaddyCoolVipper
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Aurani wrote:

Okay that did make me laugh. It's healthy to make such jokes every now and then, Birdman.

All the problems with the citizens of North America stem from them and them only - not their government nor their..... genes.



I'd disagree but my genes are preventing me from forming an opinion other than the one I currently hold. Oh well, off to vote for the Conservatives; it's in my British blood after all. Except whenever Labour are winning. Genes fluctuate like that, it's quite incredible.


Wait, maybe B1rd thinks that his stubbornness is caused by a fucking genetic limitation instead of his ego lol.
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B1rd
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DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

B1rd wrote:

Culture is largely an expression of genes.

l m f a o

Imagine being this deluded, hooly shit. Tell me, B1rd, when you were a NEET who was taking government benefits, did your strong white male genes guide you down that path?
Yeah you're really upsetting precedent, being a young labour voter and all.

So tell me, you were the one previously going on about how determinism was valid. So what are the factors in determine someone's behaviour? One is environment, the other is (fill in blank).

So, if you have two genetically distinct populations and subject them to the same circumstances, what will happen? Will they manifest the exact same culture, or will they manifest different cultures?

Don't tell me you've gone full blank-slate theory.
B1rd
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B1rd
Here is a study that shows that political beliefs are highly heritable, from a left-wing news source at that https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/09/opin ... liefs.html
B1rd
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B1rd
And another one to throw out there:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... ard-wired/
DaddyCoolVipper
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DaddyCoolVipper

B1rd wrote:

Yeah you're really upsetting precedent, being a young labour voter and all.

So tell me, you were the one previously going on about how determinism was valid. So what are the factors in determine someone's behaviour? One is environment, the other is (fill in blank).

So, if you have two genetically distinct populations and subject them to the same circumstances, what will happen? Will they manifest the exact same culture, or will they manifest different cultures?

Don't tell me you've gone full blank-slate theory.

The *same circumstances*? If that's something achievable then yes, I believe that the same culture would manifest, considering how small the genetic variation is between human populations. I don't see how you can reliably create the same circumstances for any two people though, never mind groups large enough to form cultural distinction.

The problem is that blank slate theory can't ethically be tested, and that makes me really sad. Hopefully we can simulate it in the future, or something.
B1rd
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There is extremely small variation between humans and apes, and extremely small genetic variation between humans and all other mammals. I guess the difference between chimps and humans in the same circumstances, their culture would be almost exactly the same! Not just that, there's an extremely small genetic difference between different races of humans and different subspecies of animals (and the genetic differences within races of humans isn't less than between many subspecies of animals), so does that mean that subspecies of animals aren't inherently different?

For all the research you've supposedly done on the subject, you're still extremely ignorant on basic things. There's an entire field of science, quantitative genetics, that is entirely devoted to answering questions related to nature vs nurture, and results consistently show that a significant amount of human behavior is inherited, i.e. genetic. (and if you're a genius, you might be able to work out that if a certain amount of behavior is genetic, that disproves the theory that behaviour is entirely from environmental factors). Did you even click in to the studies that I linked?

And given that a significant potion of human behavior has a genetic basis, i.e. genes interacting with the environment, then it follows that genetically distinct populations will manifest different behaviours, and it's why you can't continue to have White culture if your country isn't majority White. If you take a single individual of one race and insert them in to another group, then likely they will adapt their behaviour to follow that group since the environmental pressure is so strong. But the more people of the different race is a society, the more their genetic tendencies will manifest.

And the fact that the races are genetically distinct can be shown by genetic cluster analysis - if you ask people what their race is, and ask a computer to group those people's genes into clusters based on similarity, then those people's genes will be grouped into the same cluster as others of their self-identified race with an accuracy of 97%.
B1rd
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Aurani
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Aurani

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

I'd disagree but my genes are preventing me from forming an opinion other than the one I currently hold. Oh well, off to vote for the Conservatives; it's in my British blood after all. Except whenever Labour are winning. Genes fluctuate like that, it's quite incredible.


Wait, maybe B1rd thinks that his stubbornness is caused by a fucking genetic limitation instead of his ego lol.
What is this, why is OT making me laugh again? Stop trying to draw me back to posting! =D
Foxtrot
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Foxtrot

Aurani wrote:

I love such comparisons that both the left and the right come up with. Listen, the entirety of the USA is a shithole and everyone there is to blame. Not the whites, not the negros, not the yellows. It's about their national culture being completely fucked up. From the way they raise their children to the way they function as humans - just fucked up.
Such mentality is slowly creeping up to Europe, where old traditions and life are being replaced by feces.

Traditionalism > cancer


can I get a source on that?

jokes aside

"Listen, the entirety of the USA is a shithole and everyone there is to blame."


How in the fuck is the entirety of the USA a shithole? Give examples. You could literally replace the USA with any country and that sentence would still be viable.

It's about their national culture being completely fucked up. From the way they raise their children to the way they function as humans - just fucked up.


Okay. Stop. Like B1rd said, you just sound like a stereotypical eurofag who is O B S S E S E D about the Americans they see on multimedia.

you're embarrassing yourself

"Not the whites, not the negros, not the yellows."


oooohh. nice. nice and edgy. you said negro and yellows. edgy. nice

Traditionalism > cancer

Are you implying that traditionalism is dead in the US? Oh no, it is very much alive in non-democrat states. Such states don't tend to be as obnoxious and loud as California or New York, though, hence why you probably think traditionalism is dead.
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Green Platinum
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Green Platinum
Traditionalism > cancer
What even is the cancer in this case?
Tupsu
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Tupsu
OT
OT never changes

my humble and uneducated opinion is that US politics needs a full overhaul to either move away completely from the current two-party system, or to somehow clear out both parties of the public and private corruption plaguing them in order to move forward
also, politics should not be a day job but that's not going to be changing at this point, so at the very least there should be transparency in where and how money flows in it. politicians are meant to represent the public, so the public should have a right to see what or who is influencing the politicians

but that's never going to happen so we get to watch the country slowly eat itself up instead
roshan117
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roshan117
nuke us off the face of the earth

problem solved
Aurani
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Aurani

Foxtrot wrote:

can I get a source on that?

jokes aside

How in the fuck is the entirety of the USA a shithole? Give examples. You could literally replace the USA with any country and that sentence would still be viable.


Okay. Stop. Like B1rd said, you just sound like a stereotypical eurofag who is O B S S E S E D about the Americans they see on multimedia.

you're embarrassing yourself


oooohh. nice. nice and edgy. you said negro and yellows. edgy. nice

Are you implying that traditionalism is dead in the US? Oh no, it is very much alive in non-democrat states. Such states don't tend to be as obnoxious and loud as California or New York, though, hence why you probably think traditionalism is dead.
I'm sorry I'm triggering you by talking shit about your country, but I'm not going to budge from a firm belief that you can't disprove. Prove me otherwise and we might have a discussion. I mean it's sad enough that every single stereotype about murrica is true, so why even try to defend it?
If you want me to be a Eurofag, I'll be a Eurofag. Europe > Murrica

As for the yellows and negros, well, of course you're going to skip the fact that I said white as well. Apparently I can say white, but not yellow or negro. What is this, tumblr? Begone.

As for traditionalism - it depends what you see as such. If you go by the actual definition of it, then no, it's not dead. It's just some twisted and adjusted form of it that turned into what you can call the society you have over there.
Aurani
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Aurani
I also wanted to add a note about the California and New York example you gave, but the bloody devs made it so you can't edit your posts unless you move onto the new forum, so they can go suck a dick.
B1rd
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Aurani, since this forum won't be existing much longer, I'd like to say that your entire online personality just seems contrived and fake, and I've never sensed any actual sincerity in anything you've actually said.
Aurani
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Aurani
Well I hope you enjoyed sharing your opinion. I really don't pay much heed to opinions, because if I did I probably wouldn't be where I am today.
As for your opinion - I can only say that that's your issue, not mine. You ought to adjust your senses in that case.
Milkshake
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Milkshake

B1rd wrote:

Aurani, since this forum won't be existing much longer, I'd like to say that your entire online personality just seems contrived and fake, and I've never sensed any actual sincerity in anything you've actually said.
Please stay on the line, your call is important to us.
Foxtrot
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I'm sorry I'm triggering you by talking shit about your country, but I'm not going to budge from a firm belief that you can't disprove.
I can't disprove that some parts of the US are shitholes because they are, I never denied that. What you said is that the entirety of the US is a shithole. Wouldn't you be kinda salty too if I said the entirety of your country is a shithole even though you knew it's not true? I'll just drop this link real quick

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/11/america ... -2017.html

A lot of these states happen to be "tradionalist" states, and the quality of life is high while crime is relatively low. Can you call such states shitholes since they seem to fit your criteria?

I mean it's sad enough that every single stereotype about murrica is true, so why even try to defend it?
By that logic, that means the GOOD stereotypes are also true, so why would that be sad? :\

If you want me to be a Eurofag, I'll be a Eurofag. Europe > Murrica
Did Muhammed rape you into saying that? Haha!

As for the yellows and negros, well, of course you're going to skip the fact that I said white as well. Apparently I can say white, but not yellow or negro. What is this, tumblr? Begone.
Because saying white is as racist as saying yellow and negro, right? Just drop the act. If you wanted to say actual racist slurs, you could have just said cracker. You could have just said "black" as well, but it HAD to be negro. Real classy.

As for traditionalism - it depends what you see as such. If you go by the actual definition of it, then no, it's not dead. It's just some twisted and adjusted form of it that turned into what you can call the society you have over there.
Is it possible to be more vague than this? Begone.
Aurani
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First quote: I was making a point that murrica is a *CULTURALLY* shit place - not that it has bad standards of living or that it offers no attractions. Being a melting pot of cultures makes for a weird amalgam that I would rather stay out of. That's my opinion on it, and I'd rather raise my child in almost any country in Europe than over there. I mean it's enough to say that I'd rather let my child grow up in Israel where rockets hit every now and then than constantly wonder if the kid is gonna get mowed down by some mentally ill person with enough of an arsenal to conquer some Middle Eastern country.

As for Muhammed raping me - real classy indeed. Try being more mature if you want to give me shit for responding to your childishness in a childish manner.

As for the negros - I always say negro, even around people of that colour, and none of them have ever said anything against that, because I never meant it in a racist way. The only people to EVER get triggered by such things are those who spend too much time on certain pages on the Internet. I neither meant to be racist by saying negro nor yellow. If I wanted to be racist I would've said chingchong and nigger, or thief - whichever you prefer. If you're trying to be the sjw Internet police, you can sod off. I'm not into that sort of shit.
B1rd
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Since when did "negro" become un-PC?
B1rd
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B1rd
Both America and Europe have culture, albeit different sorts of culture. European countries have thousands of years of history, their own languages, cuisine etc, America has a legacy of fighting against the British Empire and forging a new country. Though I really love classical European food and music, but I'd have to say I prefer to live in America, it's the embodiment of the European classical Liberal tradition, which didn't really succeed in overturning the established powers of Europe, but found fertile ground in America when the founding fathers essentially founded a country on those ideals with the constitution. Though the American establishments have been corrupted a significant deal, I think the original culture of freedom is still fairly alive.

Not that I've been to America of course. Though if you're gonna berate a country for not having culture, then Australia is probably the worst in that regard. We didn't even have a war or anything, just sort of got our independence in an undramatic fashion.
DaddyCoolVipper
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DaddyCoolVipper

B1rd wrote:

We didn't even have a war or anything

Aurani
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...In connection with the Emu question I have this to say: it is a shameful
spectacle to see how the whole democratic world is oozing sympathy for the
poor tormented Emus, but remains hard-hearted and obdurate when
it comes to helping them which is surely, in view of its attitude, an obvious
duty. The arguments that are brought up as an excuse for not helping them
actually speak for us Australians and Aboriginals.
For this is what they say:
1. "We," that is the democracies, "are not in a position to take in the Emus."
Yet in these empires there are not 10 people to the square kilometer. While
Australia, with her 135 inhabitants to the square kilometer, is supposed to
have room for them!
Tupsu
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Tupsu

B1rd wrote:

Aurani, since this forum won't be existing much longer, I'd like to say that your entire online personality just seems contrived and fake, and I've never sensed any actual sincerity in anything you've actually said.
I mean, you have half of that equation correct but I find it unlikely that you'll figure out the second half in our lifetime
no need to feel bad, it took me a long time as well

also
Aurani
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I mean you're free to say your opinion, but I just don't understand why someone would say that to someone else apart from it being a poor attempt at trying to get them pissed? "Listen, you are FAKE news, I know it because I know you better than you could ever know yourself!"
Milkshake
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y'all dumb thots, stop being mongrels towards my baby serbian angel.
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fuckin wild ass kids
Foxtrot
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Foxtrot

Milkshake wrote:

y'all dumb thots, stop being mongrels towards my baby serbian angel.
too bad your qt bby angle can be quite annoying at times!

Love you, Aurani <3
Milkshake
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BABY ANGLE
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Milkshake wrote:

BABY ANGLE
Razzy
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that's a cute angle you've got there
johnmedina999
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Thanks! It's doing great in school too, I'm glad it's not obtuse.
Aurani
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Aurani

Foxtrot wrote:

too bad your qt bby angle can be quite annoying at times!

Love you, Aurani <3
Well I'll admit I overdid it by claiming the ENTIRETY of it was shit. Some places and people there genuinely make me want to visit it, and when I say visit it, I mean *actually stay there for quite a while*. Yes, most crowded places there are filled with the same people I mentioned in the argument we had, but the rural places as well as some towns are absolutely filled with nothing but beauty and niceness. I'll try not to be more reasonable, but it's definitely not some kind of act or fake personality or whatever Bird was on about.
<3
Aurani
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Fuck this editing shit.
I'll try to be more reasonable*
DaddyCoolVipper
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DaddyCoolVipper


History lesson for B1rd and anyone else who admires the Nazis.
Aurani
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I'm only one minute into the video and already there's bullshit there. The fuck do the Jews have to do with American gun control? He's taking ONE incident in modern history and uses it for his own argument. I'm VERY interested in hearing what he has to say because this is actually just laughable.
"How many Jews would've been put in ovens if they had guns" - that's not how it fucking works lmao
No civilian, no matter how deranged, would've shot someone who told them that they need to come with them because they're under investigation or another specified reason, and by the time the Jews DID know where they were going (aka going to be murdered) they were facing actual soldiers so yeah, good luck giving a random civilian a gun and telling them to shoot 5 fully equipped soldiers with professional training. Even if we make the assumption that they COULD shoot and possibly get rid of their captors, we're talking about a 1 in a thousand case, and even THEN, where is that person going to go? You have to remember, they kinda LIVED IN GERMANY. You couldn't have left Germany without a reason by the time they started mass-killing the Jews. The Jews who did run away, ran away before that started happening, but after they started mistreating them.
tl;dr Most of them didn't see such a thing coming, and even if they did, they would've been powerless to stop it, because owning a gun has shitall to do with being taken prisoner and burned in an oven in a concentration camp.

Now let's see what the vid has to offer
DaddyCoolVipper
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Yeah, it's incredibly sad to see people pushing that argument. They're either completely ignorant as to the historical context of the Jews in Germany at the time, or they're being deliberately disingenuous to pander to people who politically already agree with them and see no need to check the factual accuracy of what they're hearing.

I'm going to assume the latter, because people like Ben Shapiro pull this shit so often that it all being accidental ignorance just seems ridiculous. You can Google this stuff in five seconds.
B1rd
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So basically, Ben Carson said something wrong? That's an awfully roundabout of saying it.

I agree with Ben Shapiro; even if the Jews didn't have a chance of defeating the Third Reich, self defence is still a right and moral good, even if you die in the process. Much better than dying like sheep.
B1rd
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Awfully convenient though to suddenly shift the subject to guns.
Aurani
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Aurani
Yeah okay this guy is actually supporting my point and isn't against it.
Aurani
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In my opinion, I don't have anything against owning guns, but under SERIOUSLY HEAVY regulations, or if not heavy, just extremely annoying to deal with.
I would love to use Serbia as an example of that, where you actually need to go through fifty thousand loops, sign a shitton of documents, join a shooting range and go through actual training, get 3 licences and pass a psycho test to get a gun (and no random stores to buy military-grade guns either, those have to be bought with yet more paper signing and other shit).
DaddyCoolVipper
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Aurani wrote:

In my opinion, I don't have anything against owning guns, but under SERIOUSLY HEAVY regulations, or if not heavy, just extremely annoying to deal with.
I would love to use Serbia as an example of that, where you actually need to go through fifty thousand loops, sign a shitton of documents, join a shooting range and go through actual training, get 3 licences and pass a psycho test to get a gun (and no random stores to buy military-grade guns either, those have to be bought with yet more paper signing and other shit).
Sounds good to me, too. I'm pretty libertarian to some extent; I think freedom should be a decent priority. I don't see why Americans seem to think that freedom to buy and use guns should extent to any fucking lunatic though; restrictions that try to ensure that they're in the hands of good people are just common sense, from my perspective.
B1rd
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America's violence problem isn't due to lack of gun restrictions, It's due to a multitude of factors, like the drug war, gang and ethnic violence as I've pointed out before. The mantra of "guns don't kill people, people kill people" applies because there are heaps of countries with high gun ownership that don't have the problems America does.

Serbia actually has one of the highest rates of firearm ownership in the world, and has a lower homicide rate than many other European nations.
DaddyCoolVipper
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DaddyCoolVipper

B1rd wrote:

It's due to a multitude of factors, like


...lack of gun restrictions?


Why are you arguing with a strawman, B1rd? I don't think I've seen anyone- EVER- argue that gun violence is solely caused by a lack of gun restrictions. Think before you start rattling off propaganda talking points for once, would you.
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abraker
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B1rd wrote:

America's violence problem isn't due to lack of gun restrictions, It's due to a multitude of factors, like the drug war, gang and ethnic violence as I've pointed out before
That's why you create restriction to filter out people like these from having guns. Drug addict? No gun for you. Engaged in ethnic violence? No gun for you. Part of a gang? No gun for you. And so on.
B1rd
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Are you using the new forum? Traitor.

Did you spontaneously drop 20 IQ points? Because that's a really bad interpretation of my post. Violence doesn't originate in guns, it originates in people. And you see this in my point about all the countries that have loose gun restrictions but have low homicide. As I've pointed out, gun availability has little effect on homicide rates, and you're a lot better off targeting the root causes rather than going on a crusade to violate people's rights. Since gun control has never proven effective at lowering violence. Like in Australia, where the gun buyback did pretty much nothing (except for spiking up the burglary rate by a fuckton), and New Zealand which didn't institute the same measures has the same decline in homicide that was already happening before the gun restriction.


abraker wrote:

That's why you create restriction to filter out people like these from having guns. Drug addict? No gun for you. Engaged in ethnic violence? No gun for you. Part of a gang? No gun for you. And so on.
I don't have a problem with restricting firearms from irresponsible people, problem is it's a really bad idea to give that decision making power of who is "responsible" to the state. I'd rather than responsibility be upon the community and firearm distributors. Although in current society it's basically illegal to deny service to anyone so there's your problem.
DaddyCoolVipper
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I switch to the new forum to edit posts and then switch back, lol.

The point of my response is that lack of restrictions on guns is ONE of the contributing factors to America's problem with gun violence. You can't just hand-wave it away while listing off other loosely-connected factors; you're revealing a bias when you do so.

The gun restrictions newly put into place in Australia were followed by a sharp drop in gun violence, but it's unclear as to what extent those restrictions and buybacks were responsible for changing crime rates, since non-gun-related violence also dropped (by an even larger extent, apparently). I won't rule out there being absolutely no correlation though: in America, gun ownership and gun homicide rates are very closely related, with each 1% of gun ownership accounting for 0.9% of gun homicides. (source: http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/ab ... 013.301409 )

Why would firearm distributors limit sales? They're private companies, they'll sell to anyone who wants to pay them. That's why we have state regulations in the first place, lol. Profit-driven isn't necessarily best for members of society, although somehow I doubt you'll agree there, considering how much pro-free market propaganda you seem to have swallowed...
abraker
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B1rd wrote:

I'd rather than responsibility be upon the community and firearm distributors. Although in current society it's basically illegal to deny service to anyone so there's your problem.
Firearm distributors cam deny someone service, can they? I know they may get a bed rep from it, but I am not aware of any law making it illegal.
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lol
penta gay
B1rd
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DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

I switch to the new forum to edit posts and then switch back, lol.

The point of my response is that lack of restrictions on guns is ONE of the contributing factors to America's problem with gun violence. You can't just hand-wave it away while listing off other loosely-connected factors; you're revealing a bias when you do so.

The gun restrictions newly put into place in Australia were followed by a sharp drop in gun violence, but it's unclear as to what extent those restrictions and buybacks were responsible for changing crime rates, since non-gun-related violence also dropped (by an even larger extent, apparently). I won't rule out there being absolutely no correlation though: in America, gun ownership and gun homicide rates are very closely related, with each 1% of gun ownership accounting for 0.9% of gun homicides. (source: http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/ab ... 013.301409 )

Why would firearm distributors limit sales? They're private companies, they'll sell to anyone who wants to pay them. That's why we have state regulations in the first place, lol. Profit-driven isn't necessarily best for members of society, although somehow I doubt you'll agree there, considering how much pro-free market propaganda you seem to have swallowed...
That's not true. Firstly, gun-related violence is irrelevant, total homicide is what matters. Secondly, non-gun homicide did actually increase, or rather, it didn't decrease in line with overall homicide. Knife murder barely decreased at all, being 110 a year in 1997, being 86 now. Hands/feet and "other" homicide spiked somewhat after the 1996 buyback, gradually decreasing from then on. http://www.crimestats.aic.gov.au/NHMP/1_trends/

Burglary also spiked after the buyback https://web.archive.org/web/20180120172 ... crime.html

But even if it did increase homicide, Australia never had a problem with homicide. I absolutely reject the notion that people's rights be infringed upon for marginal benefits at best.

And as for private means of gun control, private companies do seek generally to maximise profits, that's why it's a good idea to be discriminating in who sell your guns to. It's bad PR to have a gun you sold be an instrument in a mass shooting. Just change the federal FBI checks and change it with some private licensure scheme, and I can bet you that most vendors would adopt that as a requirement for purchase.

abraker wrote:

B1rd wrote:

I'd rather than responsibility be upon the community and firearm distributors. Although in current society it's basically illegal to deny service to anyone so there's your problem.
Firearm distributors cam deny someone service, can they? I know they may get a bed rep from it, but I am not aware of any law making it illegal.
Well it actually seems that gun stores can deny service, which is good. But generally, private property owners aren't allowed to discriminate. https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/20 ... -they-want
DaddyCoolVipper
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https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2530362


"There was a more rapid decline in firearm deaths between 1997 and 2013 compared with before 1997 but also a decline in total nonfirearm suicide and homicide deaths of a greater magnitude."


I will say, though, that gun restrictions have absolutely proven effective in combating mass shootings.

"From 1979-1996 (before gun law reforms), 13 fatal mass shootings occurred in Australia, whereas from 1997 through May 2016 (after gun law reforms), no fatal mass shootings occurred."
DaddyCoolVipper
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B1rd wrote:

And as for private means of gun control, private companies do seek generally to maximise profits, that's why it's a good idea to be discriminating in who sell your guns to. It's bad PR to have a gun you sold be an instrument in a mass shooting.

I don't think this has ever been relevant; seems more like fantasy on your end. Hell, you can even argue that companies benefit from mass shootings. The massacre in Las Vegas proved that the bump stock is pretty effective, right? And let's not forget that "bulletproof backpacks" sold out (https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/regi ... in-florida) in Florida after a school shooting.

Now the government's spending a ton of money giving teachers firearms and training. Companies are making a lot of money from mass shootings.
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As for Bird's point for Serbia having one of the highest gun ownership scores in the world with low homicide rates, I can't really explain it. Yes, it's true, almost every 10th household has a full auto left over from the wars in the 20th century (it's even worse in Bosnia where it's every 5th household) yet I'm guessing the shootings don't happen because... poverty? I don't see how we're any different than the chaps in Hungary or Poland for that matter - we don't have racial wars because Asians aren't into violence and we don't have that many negros, and we aren't multicultural either apart from the local cultures mixing (Hungarians, Romanians, Bosniaks, Croats etc) and the only place where violence IS prevalent is on Kosovo due to the blight known as Albanians being actual cancer and burning homes and whatnot.
So yeah, idk how else I can explain why we have it as we do.
B1rd
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Bump stocks are just gimmicks, sure they let you fire fast but also make your fire super inaccurate. Banning them is just stupid, any guy with a workbench in his shed can make a bumpstock, and you don't even need one to bump fire.

That's the second time this week I've heard the claim that "there's been no mass shootings in Australia", which isn't even correct, which you can see with just a Google search. Shows more than anything some studies are quite biased and probably defined mass shooting in some super arbitrary way. with controversial issues like this, it's best not to bother on reports by other people and just examine the data yourself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... _Australia

There's been mass shootings, maybe you can argue that there hasn't been as many, but you could also argue that there's been more arson and vehicle attacks. Gun control may decrease mas shootings, but mass shootings are a tiny proportion of gun violence anyway. Even in the US where mass shootings seem to be a regular occurrence, they are empirically quite uncommon - the US is quite a populous country, mass shootings are over sensationalised by the media and made out to be an epidemic, when they're really not. In the USA, more people die in car accidents per day than people are killed by mass shootings every year.

Even if gun availability increases the rate of mass shootings, I don't believe it's right to restrict the rights of the majority just because a tiny, tiny proportion of people do the wrong thing. And if you think it's okay to infringe upon people's rights to save lives, then your first target should be sugar and cigarettes.


Aurani wrote:

As for Bird's point for Serbia having one of the highest gun ownership scores in the world with low homicide rates, I can't really explain it. Yes, it's true, almost every 10th household has a full auto left over from the wars in the 20th century (it's even worse in Bosnia where it's every 5th household) yet I'm guessing the shootings don't happen because... poverty? I don't see how we're any different than the chaps in Hungary or Poland for that matter - we don't have racial wars because Asians aren't into violence and we don't have that many negros, and we aren't multicultural either apart from the local cultures mixing (Hungarians, Romanians, Bosniaks, Croats etc) and the only place where violence IS prevalent is on Kosovo due to the blight known as Albanians being actual cancer and burning homes and whatnot.
So yeah, idk how else I can explain why we have it as we do.
Well, I think that goes along with what I've been saying, it's not people owning guns that automatically causes violence, but societal instability and ethnic conflict being causes, with guns just being a means.
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Why are pro Second Amendment girls such cuties?

SPOILER

Compared to Left-wing women...

SPOILER
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Questionable tastes there
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Maybe your eyesight is questionable..
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test
Xinnoh
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test 2
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old.ppy.sh
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johnmedina999
same
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no
DJ Enetro
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Am I really the toxic shit of OT, or are you letting me get to your heads?
And is satisfying the majority really superior to self-gratification?
It might be obvious for you guys, but not for me...
Green Platinum
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DJ Enetro wrote:

Am I really the toxic shit of OT, or are you letting me get to your heads?
And is satisfying the majority really superior to self-gratification?
It might be obvious for you guys, but not for me...
What answer do you want so you stop making posts like this?
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Nothing satisfies me really...

As for the rest of you, I advise you to get out of OT before it’s too late.
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ppy.sh is next
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DJ Enetro wrote:

As for the rest of you, I advise you to get out of OT before it’s too late.
before what?
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DJ Enetro wrote:

Am I really the toxic shit of OT, or are you letting me get to your heads?
And is satisfying the majority really superior to self-gratification?
It might be obvious for you guys, but not for me...
So does everything I say prompt this from you?

I'm kidding, but now it seems like you're starting to pick up the idea of self-gratification because I mentioned it once in a different thread.

I don't know what you're even trying to do, really. By the way, I never really thought you were the toxic shit of OT, if that's what you thought. If not, then I don't know why you're even asking.

"Satisfying the majority" being "superior to self-gratification", hmm. Is there some sort of complex going on here or...? Like, do you actually feel like people just want you to post something that satisfies their needs? How does that relate to you with "self-gratification", other than that it's the sort of tone your posts have?

From what I'm seeing, i'd say the problem isn't "noone understands me", neither is it "apparently i dont understand anyone", but more of "i cant seem convey my ideas properly".

I wouldn't be able to answer your questions since I never had an opinion on it in the first place, but anyhow, I'm just wondering what prompts all of this, as if you're feeling "intellectually isolated" or something.

I mean the way you sound, it's as if sometime in the future, you'd make a post worthy of being in /r/iamverysmart.
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Comfy Slippers wrote:



ppy.sh is next
This is why I don't have a Facebook, have a Google account, or a (((smart)))phone. Also why I don't use Discord - if you're not the consumer, you're the product.

peppy is probably more interested in the loli hentai on my desktop than my personal information.
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Previously I had this preconception about Lauren Southern that people just liked her because she was a female conservative. But watching her videos I've found I like her a lot, she's quite smart and has interesting opinions and doesn't just parrot partisan talking points. I've respect for her journalism on the plight of White South African Farmers and her fight against the UK and it's totalitarian laws.
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http://www.tomshardware.com/news/micros ... 36742.html

Just what we need: now Skype will be monitoring your private conversations for non-PC language.
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B1rd wrote:

This is why I don't have a Facebook, have a Google account, or a (((smart)))phone. Also why I don't use Discord - if you're not the consumer, you're the product.
A win for capitalistic ideals
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mfw I just turned 14 and learnt how to be intellectual by criticising capitalism
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If only there were some kind of regulations that'd prevent these companies from violating user privacy!


Roryrecast
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I don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
Green Platinum
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B1rd wrote:

mfw I just turned 14 and learnt how to be intellectual by criticising capitalism

What are you talking about? Facebook took advantage of a gap in the market for financial gains. It's the consumers fault for not realizing it sooner. If you think companies should strive for good user experiences why do you criticise Microsoft for making Skype and Xbox live a more amicable service?
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DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

If only there were some kind of regulations that'd prevent these companies from violating user privacy!
What a fantastic idea, to trust the biggest violater of individual privacy to protect my privacy.
DaddyCoolVipper
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If you can't trust the state to provide regulations, and you can't trust corporations to provide regulations, then I don't see what you have to complain about lol
B1rd
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Did I complain? Trusting any large institution with your personal information, or trusting it to have power over you life in any other matter, is extremely foolish. That's why I commented on my own course of action instead of complaining uselessly about how Google or Facebook or the Government are bad and should act more morally.

Green Platinum wrote:

B1rd wrote:

mfw I just turned 14 and learnt how to be intellectual by criticising capitalism
What are you talking about? Facebook took advantage of a gap in the market for financial gains. It's the consumers fault for not realizing it sooner. If you think companies should strive for good user experiences why do you criticise Microsoft for making Skype and Xbox live a more amicable service?
Don't know what your point is or what point you think you're responding to.
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am i too late to throw in a DAE Capitalism bad
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Dawnsday wrote:

am i too late to throw in a DAE Capitalism bad
I don't think it's late to bring anything capitalistic. It's called Capitalism for a reason.
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oof
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B1rd
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There's a strange phenomenon on forums, with dumb people typing a new paragraph for every sentence.
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DaddyCoolVipper wrote:



I don't even know if I want to even watch the entire video, but this showcases that our country is fucking dumb.

First of all, the city wanted to remove the statue of Robert E. Lee, which is a historical figure in American History, especially during the Civil War. He was a well-known general during his time, and even though the Confederates lost, he was still a very respected general. Why a city would remove something like this that is implanted in history textbooks, not teaching our future kids about the importance of the Civil War, and who sacrificed their life in it. Besides, I saw that statue a while back on a field trip, was really fun to view it and a few other museums nearby.

What's going to happen in 10, 20 years? Are kids going to have to look back and learn why our generation was just so fucking bad because we couldn't control ourselves and had to make up "alt-right" to tell that nobody should have equal rights? Just imagine if we have segregated schools again, separating not only the gender, but race and religion aswell. It just makes no sense, our country has gone from the era of post-war standoffs, to the era gas prices rising high, to the era of "racism is an okay thing".

Of course the police have to come in there and break up unnecessary fights and remove protesters breaking the law, it's their fucking job to do that. So what's the fucking point of alt-right people saying that they're not the violent ones, because punching a man in the face for yelling at them face-to-face, a woman, and pulling out a gun. People trying to make them a victim is just.. it's obvious these guys want attention, given the fact that they hold rallies there to support "neo-nazism". Why does the Nazi flag/symbol have to exist? It's not something we should be throwing around.

How stupid is this country again? I'm starting to lose track because even my school tried to go all 'alt-right' for a little bit before shutting down any student doing stupid actions involving in politics. Whoever thinks murdering young children who are part of a minority that you don't like are have completely lost their mind, and it's even worse for others to think THEY are the heroes...

edit: Misunderstood a lot of the video and fixed my mistakes, and I couldn't edit my original post for whatever fucking reason
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B1rd wrote:

There's a strange phenomenon on forums, with dumb people typing a new paragraph for every sentence.
Depends on the context and the amount of text being written.
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I hope America falls
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I hope you fall

I hope you have to call life alert
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TIL the alt-right is after the blood of non-white infants
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B1rd wrote:

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Is that Destiny? He's looking very smart in his trilby.
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