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B1rd
Do you find something objectionable?

Going through hundreds of hours of content to cherry pick something mildly disagreeable to you, well done.
DaddyCoolVipper
That quote is straight retarded, not "mildly disagreeable" lol

Also I didn't go through his stuff, just popped up on my twitter feed from a "hot takes" account that I follow
Tanzklaue

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Tanzklaue wrote:

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he was like one of 3 people who believed in my ability to click those circles.
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Now go and click life’s circles
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B1rd

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

That quote is straight retarded, not "mildly disagreeable" lol

Also I didn't go through his stuff, just popped up on my twitter feed from a "hot takes" account that I follow
In your opinion that is.

If you didn't even realise, it's not a statement of fact, it's an example of a question that (as you have shown) it's impossible to pose without getting shouted down by the SJW crowd. And as far as the question itself goes, it's a perfectly valid proposition to put forth. You have to wonder what outlet all of the feminists who are surrounded by no one but beta numales will turn to.
Tanzklaue
that question doesn't get shouted down by SLWs, but rather by people with half a brain.

like it's such a ridiculous question that ignores facts just to push their own fantasy agenda, it's ridiculous. god it actually makes me kinda ornery.
B1rd

Tanzklaue wrote:

that question doesn't get shouted down by SLWs, but rather by people with half a brain.

like it's such a ridiculous question that ignores facts just to push their own fantasy agenda, it's ridiculous. god it actually makes me kinda ornery.
If it were a ridiculous question it would be easy to refute, yet I'm not hearing an argument from you.

Dr. Peterson is a respected psychologist with thousands of citations, I'd estimate that he is smarter and more knowledgeable in this field than both you and Vipper.
BrokenArrow
any statement based on some sort of generalization is usually a bad statement

to give you a counter argument, the reason many of them probably don't talk so much about Islam is because they live in the West and mostly focus on Western issues
BrokenArrow
I just realized my first line is a contradiction in itself lmao
B1rd
There's nothing wrong with speaking in generalisations. Yes I realise that when you speak about groups you're not necessarily speaking about every individual in that group, but you can observe general patterns of behaviour that is common across the group and is useful to observe.
Jordan

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:



so this is a guy b1rb looks up to? lmao
I was going to say this isn't entirely untrue but then I realized I didn't want to get into another 4 page long argument on here...
Aurani
It wouldn't be ITT if it didn't continue for an n amount of pages with completely random nonsense.
DaddyCoolVipper

Jordan wrote:

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:



so this is a guy b1rb looks up to? lmao
I was going to say this isn't entirely untrue but then I realized I didn't want to get into another 4 page long argument on here...
for all we know, your last name could be "Peterson"!
Comfy Slippers
what do u call a belt made out of watches?
a waist of time!

xd
FuZ
xd
[ - Hinami - ]
:v
_handholding
Which of the 2 would you prefer to see. Death penalty or life in prison without parole?
silmarilen
neither
B1rd
I'd choose prison, then I have a better chance of escaping.
_handholding

Kisses wrote:

Which of the 2 would you prefer to see. Death penalty or life in prison without parole?
Sorry, the wording of my question wasn't clear enough and people are going to misinterpret what I wanted them to answer. Allow me to rephrase.

If a convicted criminal was sentenced to life in prison without parole would you rather have them receive the death penalty? Yes or no, why? If it depends, what does it depend on?
DaddyCoolVipper






lol

Kisses wrote:

Kisses wrote:

Which of the 2 would you prefer to see. Death penalty or life in prison without parole?
Sorry, the wording of my question wasn't clear enough and people are going to misinterpret what I wanted them to answer. Allow me to rephrase.

If a convicted criminal was sentenced to life in prison without parole would you rather have them receive the death penalty? Yes or no, why? If it depends, what does it depend on?
Strike him down and bury him, and so clear me and my father's house of the guilt of the innocent blood that Joab shed. The LORD will repay him for the blood he shed, because without the knowledge of my father David he attacked two men and killed them with the sword. Both of them—Abner son of Ner, commander of Israel's army, and Amasa son of Jether, commander of Judah's army—were better men and more upright than he. May the guilt of their blood rest on the head of Joab and his descendants forever. But on David and his descendants, his house and his throne, may there be the LORD's peace forever.
DaddyCoolVipper

Kisses wrote:

Kisses wrote:

Which of the 2 would you prefer to see. Death penalty or life in prison without parole?
Sorry, the wording of my question wasn't clear enough and people are going to misinterpret what I wanted them to answer. Allow me to rephrase.

If a convicted criminal was sentenced to life in prison without parole would you rather have them receive the death penalty? Yes or no, why? If it depends, what does it depend on?
life in prison

it's less expensive and still presents the opportunity for some kind of reform


a question to those reading: if you were wrongly convicted of a terrible crime, would you rather your punishment be the death penalty, or life in prison without parole?

suicidal people need not apply obviously
_handholding

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

life in prison

it's less expensive and still presents the opportunity for some kind of reform ??? Prison is way more expensive as it requires much more taxes for the occupation of prison, clothing, food, wages of prison wardens etc. Also I can't imagine any man "reforming" after a sentenced to life in prison. Human minds just don't work like that. Also it would be reforming for no reason, you have no freedom and nothing to aspire for once you leave the best you can do is cope with prison


a question to those reading: if you were wrongly convicted of a terrible crime, would you rather your punishment be the death penalty, or life in prison without parole? death

suicidal people need not apply obviously
FuZ

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

life in prison

it's less expensive
?
[ - Hinami - ]
Lol
DaddyCoolVipper
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

death penalty costs a shitton, guys.
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How much do you think prison costs for an inmate each year?
FuZ

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

death penalty costs a shitton, guys.
hahahaha wtf
DaddyCoolVipper

Kisses wrote:

How much do you think prison costs for an inmate each year?
$31,977 on average

if the death penalty will cost the state 1.2m on average then that breaks even with 37.5 years in prison

or 75 years in prison if the death penalty costs 2.4m on average

depends on the state. people who think that the death penalty is cheap are very naive about the legal costs of pursuing and carrying out such things


for the record, the average life sentence in the UK lasts for 15 years before the prisoner becomes paroled
lol
but vipper
it is not the true

does not cost alot
they say the lies to make public think it ok to ban kill people

u think u know
u know not
B1rd
The real question is, are there any crimes heinous enough to warrant the death penalty? The answer is yes. Leftists are too naive to realise that there are people who are evil and those sort of people deserve to die for their crimes. It's silly how you have mass murders in Scandinavian jails who can complain because they have a PS2 instead of a PS3 and only kids' games to play. That's not what justice is.

Aurani
I still stand by my point that instead of life in prison and the death penalty, they should introduce torture - not because of the physical aspect of it, but the psychological. I'm quite positive the number of crimes would be significantly reduced were such a thing to be passed in law.

I know, I know, if mere death sentences pose such a problem in legality, this thing would be even more nightmarish, but as a concept it works just fine... it's just sad that general corruption and the very core of capitalism we practice in this day make it an impracticality and thus improbability, if not an impossibility.
DaddyCoolVipper

B1rd wrote:

The real question is, are there any crimes heinous enough to warrant the death penalty? The answer is yes. Leftists are too naive to realise that there are people who are evil and those sort of people deserve to die for their crimes. It's silly how you have mass murders in Scandinavian jails who can complain because they have a PS2 instead of a PS3 and only kids' games to play. That's not what justice is.

And yet they have the best prison system in the world, when talking about rates of re-offence for example.


Sometimes, solutions are counter-intuitive to your feelings.


Also, re: your video. Ok, Panzram was well and truly evil by the time he went on his crime spree. Execution still wouldn't be necessary, since as a prisoner, he'd therefore been removed from society. Just remember that when the death penalty is an option, many families of victims will seek it, for example, because they want retribution- which can be both very costly and dangerous.

Bonus: Panzram's backstory.


Born in East Grand Forks, Minnesota, the son of East Prussian immigrants Johann "John" and Matilda Panzram, Carl was raised on his family's farm with five siblings. In 1903, at the age of 12, he stole some cake, apples, and a revolver from a neighbor's home. Soon after, his parents sent him to the Minnesota State Training School. While there, he was repeatedly beaten, tortured, and raped by staff members in what attendees dubbed "The Painting House", because children would leave "painted" with bruises and blood. Panzram hated this place of torture so much that he decided to burn it down, and did so without detection.

In late 1905, Panzram was released from the school. By his teens, he was an alcoholic and was repeatedly in trouble with the authorities, often for burglary and theft. He ran away from home at the age of 14. He often traveled via train cars; he later claimed that on one train he was gang raped by a group of hobos.

In 1907, at the age of 15, after getting drunk in a saloon in Montana, Panzram enlisted in the U.S. Army. Shortly thereafter he was convicted of larceny and served a prison sentence from 1908 to 1910 at Fort Leavenworth's United States Disciplinary Barracks. Then-Secretary of War William Howard Taft approved the sentence. Panzram later claimed that any goodness left in him was smashed out during his Leavenworth imprisonment.


...So he had an abusive, awful childhood, exacerbated by the school and prison systems that he'd been to in his youth. A bit hard to see him as just some evil guy that deserves to be judged the same way as anyone else, considering how fucked up his entire life had been up to that point. This is the case for most people who do terrible things.
DaddyCoolVipper

Aurani wrote:

I still stand by my point that instead of life in prison and the death penalty, they should introduce torture - not because of the physical aspect of it, but the psychological. I'm quite positive the number of crimes would be significantly reduced were such a thing to be passed in law.

I know, I know, if mere death sentences pose such a problem in legality, this thing would be even more nightmarish, but as a concept it works just fine... it's just sad that general corruption and the very core of capitalism we practice in this day make it an impracticality and thus improbability, if not an impossibility.


I'm pretty sure that harsher punishments don't actually correlate with less crime, but that's for either of us to be bothered to research lol.


What does corruption and capitalism have to do with that though? I don't think most people would want torture to be integrated into the justice system, regardless of profit or corruption-driven motives. People have learned as a society that it's quite frankly unnecessary. See the backlash to the Guantanimo Bay torture for example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanam ... mp#Torture
Railey2
I don't like the idea of criminals having it easy in prison either, but if that is what it takes to create the lowest rate of re-offenders and a healthy society, then maybe i should reconsider if my "sense of justice" is worth being pursued. In other words: If your sense of justice doesn't create any utilitarian value, it belongs on the historical garbage-dump, right next to witch-hunts, laws regarding bastards, the opression of women and everything else we got rid of to create a better life for everyone.
Aurani
That's rich coming from you, Mr. Hitler. =D
B1rd

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

And yet they have the best prison system in the world, when talking about rates of re-offence for example.


Sometimes, solutions are counter-intuitive to your feelings.
So what. Correlation doesn't equal causation. Just because they do some things right, doesn't mean they do everything right. Whether it is good at reforming petty criminals it a moot point,what is cleat is that it is absolutely lacking in being able to deal justice when people have committed atrocities. How many people does someone have to kill, torture, rape and brutalise before 21 years of playing video games and relaxing in a holiday resort then release for good behaviour becomes insufficient?



..So he had an abusive, awful childhood, exacerbated by the school and prison systems that he'd been to in his youth. A bit hard to see him as just some evil guy that deserves to be judged the same way as anyone else, considering how fucked up his entire life had been up to that point. This is the case for most people who do terrible things.
No. Just because one guy has a sob story doesn't mean you can generalise it to mean that everyone who ever did something bad had a proportionately bad earlier life. You have people like him, then you have people like Elliot Rodger who had a perfectly good childhood but just brooded on some minor hardship and then did what they did. People have free will and it's not just all environmental determinism, I'd be willing to bet that serial killers have lives no harder than 1000 other people who managed to lead normal lives.


Railey2 wrote:

I don't like the idea of criminals having it easy in prison either, but if that is what it takes to create the lowest rate of re-offenders and a healthy society, then maybe i should reconsider if my "sense of justice" is worth being pursued. In other words: If your sense of justice doesn't create any utilitarian value, it belongs on the historical garbage-dump, right next to witch-hunts, laws regarding bastards, the opression of women and everything else we got rid of to create a better life for everyone.
In other words the "right side of history" fallacy.

By no means it it obvious that lack of capital punishment is what's best for society. Japan's prison has capital punishment and a harsh and punitive prison system. It also has some of the lowest crime rates in the world, even compared to Scandinavian countries. But would there be more utilitarian value in letting the convicted of the Nuremburg trials off on good behaviour?
DaddyCoolVipper
Does determinism scare you, B1rd?
B1rd
Does free will scare you?
Aurani

B1rd wrote:

Does a free willmarket scare you?
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