what do u call a belt made out of watches?
a waist of time!
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a waist of time!
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Sorry, the wording of my question wasn't clear enough and people are going to misinterpret what I wanted them to answer. Allow me to rephrase.Kisses wrote:
Which of the 2 would you prefer to see. Death penalty or life in prison without parole?
Strike him down and bury him, and so clear me and my father's house of the guilt of the innocent blood that Joab shed. The LORD will repay him for the blood he shed, because without the knowledge of my father David he attacked two men and killed them with the sword. Both of them—Abner son of Ner, commander of Israel's army, and Amasa son of Jether, commander of Judah's army—were better men and more upright than he. May the guilt of their blood rest on the head of Joab and his descendants forever. But on David and his descendants, his house and his throne, may there be the LORD's peace forever.Kisses wrote:
Sorry, the wording of my question wasn't clear enough and people are going to misinterpret what I wanted them to answer. Allow me to rephrase.Kisses wrote:
Which of the 2 would you prefer to see. Death penalty or life in prison without parole?
If a convicted criminal was sentenced to life in prison without parole would you rather have them receive the death penalty? Yes or no, why? If it depends, what does it depend on?
life in prisonKisses wrote:
Sorry, the wording of my question wasn't clear enough and people are going to misinterpret what I wanted them to answer. Allow me to rephrase.Kisses wrote:
Which of the 2 would you prefer to see. Death penalty or life in prison without parole?
If a convicted criminal was sentenced to life in prison without parole would you rather have them receive the death penalty? Yes or no, why? If it depends, what does it depend on?
DaddyCoolVipper wrote:
life in prison
it's less expensive and still presents the opportunity for some kind of reform ??? Prison is way more expensive as it requires much more taxes for the occupation of prison, clothing, food, wages of prison wardens etc. Also I can't imagine any man "reforming" after a sentenced to life in prison. Human minds just don't work like that. Also it would be reforming for no reason, you have no freedom and nothing to aspire for once you leave the best you can do is cope with prison
a question to those reading: if you were wrongly convicted of a terrible crime, would you rather your punishment be the death penalty, or life in prison without parole? death
suicidal people need not apply obviously
hahahaha wtfDaddyCoolVipper wrote:
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty
death penalty costs a shitton, guys.
$31,977 on averageKisses wrote:
How much do you think prison costs for an inmate each year?
B1rd wrote:
The real question is, are there any crimes heinous enough to warrant the death penalty? The answer is yes. Leftists are too naive to realise that there are people who are evil and those sort of people deserve to die for their crimes. It's silly how you have mass murders in Scandinavian jails who can complain because they have a PS2 instead of a PS3 and only kids' games to play. That's not what justice is.
Aurani wrote:
I still stand by my point that instead of life in prison and the death penalty, they should introduce torture - not because of the physical aspect of it, but the psychological. I'm quite positive the number of crimes would be significantly reduced were such a thing to be passed in law.
I know, I know, if mere death sentences pose such a problem in legality, this thing would be even more nightmarish, but as a concept it works just fine... it's just sad that general corruption and the very core of capitalism we practice in this day make it an impracticality and thus improbability, if not an impossibility.
So what. Correlation doesn't equal causation. Just because they do some things right, doesn't mean they do everything right. Whether it is good at reforming petty criminals it a moot point,what is cleat is that it is absolutely lacking in being able to deal justice when people have committed atrocities. How many people does someone have to kill, torture, rape and brutalise before 21 years of playing video games and relaxing in a holiday resort then release for good behaviour becomes insufficient?DaddyCoolVipper wrote:
And yet they have the best prison system in the world, when talking about rates of re-offence for example.
Sometimes, solutions are counter-intuitive to your feelings.
..So he had an abusive, awful childhood, exacerbated by the school and prison systems that he'd been to in his youth. A bit hard to see him as just some evil guy that deserves to be judged the same way as anyone else, considering how fucked up his entire life had been up to that point. This is the case for most people who do terrible things.No. Just because one guy has a sob story doesn't mean you can generalise it to mean that everyone who ever did something bad had a proportionately bad earlier life. You have people like him, then you have people like Elliot Rodger who had a perfectly good childhood but just brooded on some minor hardship and then did what they did. People have free will and it's not just all environmental determinism, I'd be willing to bet that serial killers have lives no harder than 1000 other people who managed to lead normal lives.
In other words the "right side of history" fallacy.Railey2 wrote:
I don't like the idea of criminals having it easy in prison either, but if that is what it takes to create the lowest rate of re-offenders and a healthy society, then maybe i should reconsider if my "sense of justice" is worth being pursued. In other words: If your sense of justice doesn't create any utilitarian value, it belongs on the historical garbage-dump, right next to witch-hunts, laws regarding bastards, the opression of women and everything else we got rid of to create a better life for everyone.
Not at all, it'd be quite nice to live in a world like that. Unfortunately, I'm not religious, so the concept of "libertarian free will" doesn't exactly match the objective reality that I live in.B1rd wrote:
Does free will scare you?
B1rd wrote:
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So what. Correlation doesn't equal causation. Just because they do some things right, doesn't mean they do everything right.
Elliot Rodger is an example of someone who reacted disproportionately to their life situation, which means that he chose to do so of his own will. People have free will and it's not just all environmental determinism
Would there be more utilitarian value in letting the convicted of the Nuremburg trials off on good behaviour?
B1rd wrote:
Your cultural marxism is showing through. Oh I'm sorry, "objective left-wing determinism".
it always does when B1rd is involved, I wonder whyGreen Platinum wrote:
This discussion has gone off the fucking rails lol