1. 01:31:074 (41,42,43) - I would prefer if this was kkd. I think it's too soon to end things with kdk because the song progression doesn't imply intensity just yet. (compared to 01:32:347 (51,52,53) - which is perfectly fine and fits nicely). Goes for 03:59:438 (1137,1138,1139) - as well, and any other occurence like this.
2. 02:00:529 (246) - Finish fits nicely.
3. 02:04:892 - You have this currently http://puu.sh/49dl5/66352ad3d9.jpg.
   I would suggest a change which would bring more dynamics. Try this: http://puu.sh/49dsd/0e4aafa803.jpg
   The reason I am suggesting this because there were just too many dons around, and trying to make interesting kat patterns out of the existing structure was near impossible.
   This applies to 02:48:529 (605,606,607,608,609,610,611,612,613,614,615,616,617) - as well and other similar occurences.
4. 02:32:529 (487) - Finish fits nicely.
5. 02:33:529 - consider adding a don, else the kdd before doesn't fit that well if you ask me.
6. 02:35:620 (506,507,508) - dkd? I know ddk fits the vocals a bit better, but dkd brings balance between the drums and the vocals here since the drums are located at the first note. Also dkd here kicks ass if you ask me especially cause dkd k is much more fun to play than ddk k if you ask me (at least in circumstances like this). :p
7. 02:43:801 (569,570,571,572,573,574) - Not sure if you did this for DT purposes, but I think kddkddk at 1/6 fits the best here instead of (kdd)ddd.
8. 03:29:983 (918,919,920,921,922,923,924) - Instead of ddkdkkd I would recommend dkddkdk instead because the song builds up here so having the pattern end with kdk is quite intense. kdkkd is a nice way to finish a stream or a pattern but in this case I think it lacks intensity.
9. 03:36:529 (971) - Should add a finish perhaps.
10. 03:42:074 (1016) - d?
11. 03:42:529 (1020,1021,1022) - Instead of ddk, tried using dkd? If you do this, you should also do it at 03:43:983 (1030,1031,1032) -, 03:45:438 (1040,1041,1042) - , etc, there are many of these (03:48:347 (1058,1059,1060) - as well, etc).
12. 03:53:983 (1095) - Finish fits nicely.
13. 03:59:801 (1140) - ^
14. 03:59:983 (1141,1142,1143) - You should swap this with 04:01:438 (1152,1153,1154) so it's ddk the first time and dkk the 2nd time because the intensity rises later.
15. 04:00:710 (1147) - I think this should be a d. 04:01:074 (1150) - as well, these don't strike me as that important to be kats and you get a lot better contrast in the next section if these are dons. I forgot to mention, but that applies to 01:31:620 (45,46,47) - and this section here as well.
16. 04:20:710 (1276) - Should be a don imo, the pitch is significantly lower so it sounds better.
17. 04:28:892 (1309) - Finish fits nicely.
18. 04:48:983 (1471) - d? kdkkd ending here is awesome imo.
19. 04:51:438 (1484,1485,1486) - Should stick with d d k imo. Having 04:54:347 (1500,1501,1502) - as d k d fits, but not here.
20. 05:12:347 (1564) - I strongly recommend to remove this finisher, it brings emphasis to something that shouldn't be emphasized because the rhythm is not heavy here.
21. 05:35:801 - Add a kat? It stabilizes the rhythm plus there is piano here.
22. 05:48:892 - Drag the starting point of the break towards here in my opinion. It fixes how dim works.
23. 06:17:438 (134,135,136,137,138) - kkddk fits much better because it transitions much better into the next section because the intensity rises again.
24. 06:23:529 - d? It finishes a very nice stream here then which is kinda appropriate.
25. 06:27:256 - Consider adding a d here and adding a k to 06:27:438. This stabilizes the rhythm and it doesn't feel empty.
26. 06:33:074 - However, consider adding a k here and then another k at 06:33:256. Same reasons but this one is more intense so double kat is appropriate.
27. 06:46:892 (327) - This should be a don for consistency reasons making it kkd (or having kdk at the end works too). It is also somewhat expected because you were exchanging patterns from kkk into kkd, so having it here would fit nicely. However, I can see that kkd D might be a bit awkward, so for variety instead of keeping kkk or changing to kkd, you could actually consider kdk as well.
28. 06:50:710 (355) - It feels and sounds so much nicer if you have this as a don. The vocals have much more emphasis then and then you have a perfect 5 note stream ending that phrase.
29. 07:09:983 (508) - Consider changing this into a kat. Again, kdk ending is better here because of the intensity it brings (in my opinion).
30. 07:11:347 (519) - Consider changing this into a don. The main reason is that 07:10:892 (515,516,517) - creates a distinct rhythm that should repeat here I think and kkd is a bit too intense.
31. 07:22:165 (611,612,613) - Refer to 03:42:529 (1020,1021,1022) - in this mod.
32. 07:32:892 (682,683,684,685,686,687) - Instead of ddk kdk try d kdk k. I think it fits much better because it brings emphasis to the note at 07:33:074 - which is kinda the same as the note at 07:32:347 - which was expressed as kkd.
33. 08:02:710 (905) - Finish fits nicely.
34. 08:08:529 (944) - ^
35. 08:42:529 (1196,1197,1198) - Instead of ddd I would prefer D D. There are more drums here which you can't map due to finishers and they make this ddd quite awkward.

lolcubes wrote:

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[General]
I think it has a bit too many notes, so there is very little contrast between sections. I won't tell you to remove or add anything though, it's up to you if you want to bring more contrast (removing some notes from less active parts). - well, i think its current state is no problem almost. maybe.

[Stuff]

1. 01:31:074 (41,42,43) - I would prefer if this was kkd. I think it's too soon to end things with kdk because the song progression doesn't imply intensity just yet. (compared to 01:32:347 (51,52,53) - which is perfectly fine and fits nicely). Goes for 03:59:438 (1137,1138,1139) - as well, and any other occurence like this. - yes.
2. 02:00:529 (246) - Finish fits nicely. - ^
3. 02:04:892 - You have this currently http://puu.sh/49dl5/66352ad3d9.jpg.
   I would suggest a change which would bring more dynamics. Try this: http://puu.sh/49dsd/0e4aafa803.jpg
   The reason I am suggesting this because there were just too many dons around, and trying to make interesting kat patterns out of the existing structure was near impossible.
   This applies to 02:48:529 (605,606,607,608,609,610,611,612,613,614,615,616,617) - as well and other similar occurences. - ok. fixed its pattern to fit the vocal further.
4. 02:32:529 (487) - Finish fits nicely. - i felt a little noisy sound. keep.
5. 02:33:529 - consider adding a don, else the kdd before doesn't fit that well if you ask me. - ok.
6. 02:35:620 (506,507,508) - dkd? I know ddk fits the vocals a bit better, but dkd brings balance between the drums and the vocals here since the drums are located at the first note. Also dkd here kicks ass if you ask me especially cause dkd k is much more fun to play than ddk k if you ask me (at least in circumstances like this). :p - www ok. fixed.
7. 02:43:801 (569,570,571,572,573,574) - Not sure if you did this for DT purposes, but I think kddkddk at 1/6 fits the best here instead of (kdd)ddd. - bassdrum is so stronk. kddkddk can kill DT. but its weird sounds for me ;_;
8. 03:29:983 (918,919,920,921,922,923,924) - Instead of ddkdkkd I would recommend dkddkdk instead because the song builds up here so having the pattern end with kdk is quite intense. kdkkd is a nice way to finish a stream or a pattern but in this case I think it lacks intensity. - nice sounds.
9. 03:36:529 (971) - Should add a finish perhaps. - ok.
10. 03:42:074 (1016) - d? - nope. i want to emphasize 03:42:347 (1020)
11. 03:42:529 (1020,1021,1022) - Instead of ddk, tried using dkd? If you do this, you should also do it at 03:43:983 (1030,1031,1032) -, 03:45:438 (1040,1041,1042) - , etc, there are many of these (03:48:347 (1058,1059,1060) - as well, etc). - so nice.
12. 03:53:983 (1095) - Finish fits nicely. - ok.
13. 03:59:801 (1140) - ^ - and this 01:31:438 (44)
14. 03:59:983 (1141,1142,1143) - You should swap this with 04:01:438 (1152,1153,1154) so it's ddk the first time and dkk the 2nd time because the intensity rises later. - ok.
15. 04:00:710 (1147) - I think this should be a d. 04:01:074 (1150) - as well, these don't strike me as that important to be kats and you get a lot better contrast in the next section if these are dons. I forgot to mention, but that applies to 01:31:620 (45,46,47) - and this section here as well. - fixed.
16. 04:20:710 (1276) - Should be a don imo, the pitch is significantly lower so it sounds better. - my ear is baka.
17. 04:28:892 (1309) - Finish fits nicely. - ok.
18. 04:48:983 (1471) - d? kdkkd ending here is awesome imo. - ok.
19. 04:51:438 (1484,1485,1486) - Should stick with d d k imo. Having 04:54:347 (1500,1501,1502) - as d k d fits, but not here. - ok.
20. 05:12:347 (1564) - I strongly recommend to remove this finisher, it brings emphasis to something that shouldn't be emphasized because the rhythm is not heavy here. - agree.
21. 05:35:801 - Add a kat? It stabilizes the rhythm plus there is piano here. - added.
22. 05:48:892 - Drag the starting point of the break towards here in my opinion. It fixes how dim works. - !!! awesome ;_;
23. 06:17:438 (134,135,136,137,138) - kkddk fits much better because it transitions much better into the next section because the intensity rises again. - its so fit!
24. 06:23:529 - d? It finishes a very nice stream here then which is kinda appropriate. - ok.
25. 06:27:256 - Consider adding a d here and adding a k to 06:27:438. This stabilizes the rhythm and it doesn't feel empty. - ok, it was a little weird empty.
26. 06:33:074 - However, consider adding a k here and then another k at 06:33:256. Same reasons but this one is more intense so double kat is appropriate. - ^
27. 06:46:892 (327) - This should be a don for consistency reasons making it kkd (or having kdk at the end works too). It is also somewhat expected because you were exchanging patterns from kkk into kkd, so having it here would fit nicely. However, I can see that kkd D might be a bit awkward, so for variety instead of keeping kkk or changing to kkd, you could actually consider kdk as well. - really this part is better the "ddkkkkD" for me. but i hate 1/4+finisher. so "ddkkk D" is also good
28. 06:50:710 (355) - It feels and sounds so much nicer if you have this as a don. The vocals have much more emphasis then and then you have a perfect 5 note stream ending that phrase. - ok.
29. 07:09:983 (508) - Consider changing this into a kat. Again, kdk ending is better here because of the intensity it brings (in my opinion). - ok.
30. 07:11:347 (519) - Consider changing this into a don. The main reason is that 07:10:892 (515,516,517) - creates a distinct rhythm that should repeat here I think and kkd is a bit too intense. - agree.
31. 07:22:165 (611,612,613) - Refer to 03:42:529 (1020,1021,1022) - in this mod. - ok.
32. 07:32:892 (682,683,684,685,686,687) - Instead of ddk kdk try d kdk k. I think it fits much better because it brings emphasis to the note at 07:33:074 - which is kinda the same as the note at 07:32:347 - which was expressed as kkd. - ok.
33. 08:02:710 (905) - Finish fits nicely. - fixed.
34. 08:08:529 (944) - ^ - ^
35. 08:42:529 (1196,1197,1198) - Instead of ddd I would prefer D D. There are more drums here which you can't map due to finishers and they make this ddd quite awkward. - change to "d d". "D D" is good. but i want to emphasize here 08:42:892 (1202,1203,1204)

I might have not pointed out all the things because the map repeats a lot, so if some suggestions apply to one spot, the same apply to the spot where stuff repeats. - if the same repeated part to be all fixed, it loses contrast. well, was fixed in my judgment.

Lets get this going. :3

lolcubes wrote:

[General]
I think it has a bit too many notes, so there is very little contrast between sections. I won't tell you to remove or add anything though, it's up to you if you want to bring more contrast (removing some notes from less active parts).

OnosakiHito wrote:

lolcubes wrote:

[General]
I think it has a bit too many notes, so there is very little contrast between sections. I won't tell you to remove or add anything though, it's up to you if you want to bring more contrast (removing some notes from less active parts).

I would like to mention this as well. It would be good to have some more breaks which make certain parts more noticeable.
Right now, many parts are mapped as one big section, which makes the patterns not emphasizes well enough. As lolcubes said, it's up to you and the map is so far fine. But could be even better if you could bring up more contrast into it. After all, the map is long.

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Mostly recommendations from me for more breaks/spaces between the sections.

01:52:529 (189,190) - You should delete these notes to have a lineal usage of breaks with 01:51:074. - fixed.
01:56:165 (217) - delete this. Without this note, upcoming patterns are way more emphasized. - ^
01:57:619 (228) - ^ - ^
01:58:620 (235) - kat sounds actually better, when listening to the song. - ^
{
02:06:529 (291) - - nope.
02:07:983 (302) - - ^
02:09:438 (314) - - ^
} Again. If you would have more breaks, the notes would be way more emphasized. Is there any reason for making such long constellations?
02:36:165 (512,513) - You should delete these notes to have a lineal usage of breaks with 02:34:710. Also, the ddd dosen't sound so nice here, anyway. - fixed.
{
02:39:801 (540) - - ^
02:41:256 (551) - - ^
} Same reason as above.
03:02:892 (714) - Delete for consistence with 02:59:983 - ^
03:05:801 (734) - ^ - ^
03:15:074 (803) - Moving this note to 03:15:165 might be better. - ^
03:07:438 - The Kiai is nearly 1 minute long and has not even one break. Should make you think about if this is really a good idea. Not a must, bust just saying. - i dont know why make break in the Kiai. well, i made ​​a little break point.
03:53:983~04:17:256 - This is a part which can carry many notes. The sounds are strong here so it is reasonable and more fitting. - i felt status quo is best.
06:47:074~07:26:165 - This part is nearly 1 minute long and has not even one break. Should make you think about if this is really a good idea. This time I would even say it is a must to change it. Still approvable, but look how long the whole section is. The kiai at 07:33:619 isn't much more emphasizes because of that previous part. So better delete some notes, so the kiai can stay with all notes you have there. I won't make my own breaks here, since else I would need to change some of your patterns. - deleted some notes.
06:26:710 - Wanna make sure if you really won't have a slider here? I still think it is better. - i think balance is very bad it. so i don't use the slider.
08:01:438 (898,899,900,901,902,903,904) - How about kkd k dk dkkd ? Might sound better. But maybe not. - fixed kkd. i like the sound of now.
08:04:438 (922) - don is probably better here. This kkk dosen't seem to fit that well here. - fixed.
08:15:983 (1006,1007,1008,1009) - These two plets came kinda out of the sudden. You mapped now mostly with tripplets, and suddenly doublets appear. It fits to the song, but not to the patterns you had before. Think about to change this in a way you think it fits the best. Maybe a tripplet or 5-plet again? - kkddk.
08:17:256 - Explain why you used such pattern here please. The vocal is too strong to be ignored. A slider which fits to the vocal would be better as having patterns which follow the less emphasizes background sounding. - fit the back music. it is easy to get rhythm. well, i dislike the sliders.

As I said, the map is so far approvable and mapped okay. But Taiko people should stop to map in one row without breaks, especially on maps which are over 6 minutes long. On DT it will be really tiring to play such maps. The feeling in certain section is gone, due to beat bare. And the map becomes after a time monotonically because of no variation in patterns, even though it isn't.

Bubble pop. Call me back after this, but won't be enough for bubble #2.
I want more people to mod it because of its lenght. Better having two more BATs who check it instead of one.

TKSalt wrote:

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OnosakiHito wrote:

03:07:438 - The Kiai is nearly 1 minute long and has not even one break. Should make you think about if this is really a good idea. Not a must, bust just saying. - i dont know why make break in the Kiai. well, i made ​​a little break point. As I said, not a must. But 1min without break is even for a kiai much due to reasons I mentioned before.

thanks for re-modding.
but why you said "On DT it will be really tiring to play such maps."?
DT is tiring in the long map. its natural. 私が前に言ったようにマップは多くのノートがあります。Many notes with no break = getting fast tired.
"this is Inner Oni, but recommend more easier to play on DT." ? Inner Oni = Oni, 違いは有りません。
if so, the bubble and more modding doesn't need for me. because ill delete this map.いええ、貴方があのマップをDeleteしません！I bubble w

anyway, thanks.

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Loctav wrote:

Put HP Drain 5 and I'll throw the 2nd bubble.

no kds

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