this is mostly directed at people who are interested in the competitive tournament side of 4k, if this doesnt apply to you than this thread is probably not relevant to you.
so as the title of this thread mentions, i personally believe that sv being in tournaments for both 4k and 7k is completely redundant, uncalled for, and just plain stupid. it seems to me that it only still exists in tournaments because mwc used to have it long long ago. this does not justify its presence in tournaments, and i shall explain why.
the point of sv in osu!mania tournaments is essentially just to memorize the beatmap. this next point will likely offend some people, but sv is not a skill that is comprable to rice, ln or hybrid maps.
that is not to say sv needs no skill at all; to obtain good accuracy on sv maps, one often needs very good sense of rhythm. memorization of sv maps is also requires a lot of what i would refer to as "mental stamina", or the willingness to play the same beatmap dozens of time over and over to perfect one's ability to play it. however, the skills one needs in order to perfect the memorization of a beatmap are completely different than the ones needed to play rice/ln/hybrid.
to add on to the last point, rice and ln both require the player to have good physicallity and finger control. sv doesnt need any of that, because the majority of sv maps are very physically light, relying on the tricky timing to provide the difficulty.
the main point to be made here is that sv simply isnt compatible with rice/ln inside of tournaments. its essentially a completely different type of beatmap from ln and rice, and the fundamental rules for it are also completely irrelevant to rice and ln. it's quite bizzare how a player who is more physically competent and generally more skillful than another player can lose a point, simply because the other player has practiced the sv map more.
you might think, "but isnt the point of tournaments to practice the beatmaps?" well, you'd be partly right in this. however, tournaments should reward the more skilled players for being stronger players than rewarding less skilled players for simply playing the mappool before the match more. in my opinion anyway, tournaments should reward skill instead of mental aptitude. not only are sv maps just too different than rice and ln maps to be seriously worthy of being in the same mappools, they reward players for the wrong reasons. while i do think that the mental aptitude required to perfect one's ability to play sv maps, i do not think it is as relevant to tournaments as one's physical skill.
sv should be removed from tournaments. if not removed, it should count for half the points of a regular map, as i believe that both of these categories of maps are simply not compatible with being in the same tournaments.
sv doesnt need to be completely eradicated from tournaments however; it should simply be seperated from more physicality oriented tournaments such as mwc. there already exist sv only tournaments like svse, so i think that sv should be restricted to these tournaments instead of sharing space with ln/rice/hybrid tournaments.
let me know what you think about this
so as the title of this thread mentions, i personally believe that sv being in tournaments for both 4k and 7k is completely redundant, uncalled for, and just plain stupid. it seems to me that it only still exists in tournaments because mwc used to have it long long ago. this does not justify its presence in tournaments, and i shall explain why.
the point of sv in osu!mania tournaments is essentially just to memorize the beatmap. this next point will likely offend some people, but sv is not a skill that is comprable to rice, ln or hybrid maps.
that is not to say sv needs no skill at all; to obtain good accuracy on sv maps, one often needs very good sense of rhythm. memorization of sv maps is also requires a lot of what i would refer to as "mental stamina", or the willingness to play the same beatmap dozens of time over and over to perfect one's ability to play it. however, the skills one needs in order to perfect the memorization of a beatmap are completely different than the ones needed to play rice/ln/hybrid.
to add on to the last point, rice and ln both require the player to have good physicallity and finger control. sv doesnt need any of that, because the majority of sv maps are very physically light, relying on the tricky timing to provide the difficulty.
the main point to be made here is that sv simply isnt compatible with rice/ln inside of tournaments. its essentially a completely different type of beatmap from ln and rice, and the fundamental rules for it are also completely irrelevant to rice and ln. it's quite bizzare how a player who is more physically competent and generally more skillful than another player can lose a point, simply because the other player has practiced the sv map more.
you might think, "but isnt the point of tournaments to practice the beatmaps?" well, you'd be partly right in this. however, tournaments should reward the more skilled players for being stronger players than rewarding less skilled players for simply playing the mappool before the match more. in my opinion anyway, tournaments should reward skill instead of mental aptitude. not only are sv maps just too different than rice and ln maps to be seriously worthy of being in the same mappools, they reward players for the wrong reasons. while i do think that the mental aptitude required to perfect one's ability to play sv maps, i do not think it is as relevant to tournaments as one's physical skill.
sv should be removed from tournaments. if not removed, it should count for half the points of a regular map, as i believe that both of these categories of maps are simply not compatible with being in the same tournaments.
sv doesnt need to be completely eradicated from tournaments however; it should simply be seperated from more physicality oriented tournaments such as mwc. there already exist sv only tournaments like svse, so i think that sv should be restricted to these tournaments instead of sharing space with ln/rice/hybrid tournaments.
let me know what you think about this
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im typing this at 11pm and im tired as fuck so i didnt really read over this thread before posting it, apologies for any miscommunications.
