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This is a feature request. Feature requests can be voted up by supporters.
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Makar
osu! Alumni
2,258 posts
Joined February 2011
Topic Starter
Makar
This is a request to revert "[woc2006] Show short mod name in beatmap pages."

Short mod is just more annoying to read, when full mod clearly showed differences in score and ordered it nicely. I don't see why this change was added honestly, as there was enough space on the listing and now with short mod there is a lot of unnecessary free space... Also, newer players don't really know what the abbreviations even mean

For those of you don't know, this is what the listing currently looks like:



when it used to look like this:



Makar wrote:

Would you rather find the number of "HR"s in this:
SPOILER
HD
HR
HD
HR
HR
HD
HD
HD
HR
HD
HR
HR
HD
HR
HD
HD
HR

Or find the number of "Hardrock" in this:
SPOILER
Hidden
Hardrock
Hidden
Hardrock
Hardrock
Hidden
Hidden
Hidden
Hardrock
Hidden
Hardrock
Hardrock
Hidden
Hardrock
Hidden
Hidden
Hardrock
Full Tablet
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Full Tablet
It's easier to read with short names
deadbeat
osu! Alumni
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deadbeat
as with all new changes, why not give it a chance before shooting it down. please don't come here straight away asking for a revert ;__;
Makar
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Topic Starter
Makar

Full Tablet wrote:

It's easier to read with short names
I don't see how, as there are less distinguishable factors

more distinguishable characters = easier to read or notice differences in mods.

for example this listing https://osu.ppy.sh/b/205313&m=0 is fairly hard to notice differences from a distance viewing, compared to having the full name there.

Would you rather find the number of "HR"s in this:
SPOILER
HD
HR
HD
HR
HR
HD
HD
HD
HR
HD
HR
HR
HD
HR
HD
HD
HR

Or find the number of "Hardrock" in this:
SPOILER
Hidden
Hardrock
Hidden
Hardrock
Hardrock
Hidden
Hidden
Hidden
Hardrock
Hidden
Hardrock
Hardrock
Hidden
Hardrock
Hidden
Hidden
Hardrock

At first glance it's easier to notice in the full name due to distinguishable factors such as length and distinguishing characters in the middle.
deadbeat
osu! Alumni
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deadbeat
it's the exact same ingame so it shouldn't cause many issues
Makar
osu! Alumni
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Joined February 2011
Topic Starter
Makar

deadbeat wrote:

it's the exact same ingame so it shouldn't cause many issues
Only because there is no room to show it all.

On the listing there is plenty of space, and now there is even more pointless space (unless they plan to fill this with other information)?

Why is this marked as invalid anyways... there was like, no discussion and it's not like there is a need for "trying it out" when it's simply a visual feature.
deadbeat
osu! Alumni
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deadbeat
fine, i'll give you your discussion, but i'm guessing it'll reach the same verdict.
XPJ38
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XPJ38
I like short names for records that have 4/5 mods on them (HD,HR,DT,FL,SD is much cleaner than Hidden,HardRock,DoubleTime,Flashlight,SuddenDeath), but I can see why they could be annoying to read. I would also know why this change has been applied.
Makar
osu! Alumni
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Topic Starter
Makar
Yeah, it is definitely less cluttered, but at the cost of being able to distinguish as easily. It'd be interesting to know if there was a real reason for this change or not, and if so, what is it?
[Luxord]
503 posts
Joined August 2011
[Luxord]
Personally I don't see anything wrong with the short names o.o They are easy to read and more comfortable when some people use 5/5 Mods or something.

I personally prefer to see HD,HR,FL,SD,DT than Hidden,HardRock,FlashLight,SuddenDeath,DoubleTime.
Makar
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Topic Starter
Makar

KiyoshiX101 wrote:

Personally I don't see anything wrong with the short names o.o They are easy to read and more comfortable when some people use 5/5 Mods or something.

I personally prefer to see HD,HR,FL,SD,DT than Hidden,HardRock,FlashLight,SuddenDeath,DoubleTime.
It's not really about single lines though. In order to see what I am talking about, you have to consider the grouping of many players and all of their mods side by side rather than a single line comparison.
LnDSuv
35 posts
Joined January 2012
LnDSuv
As for me, the new scoreboard is as readable as the old one. But I prefer the current one since it looks neat (I think it's the main reason why it was implemented).

However

Makar wrote:

newer players don't really know what the abbreviations even mean
can be an issue. Not a big one, since many of new players still can guess the meaning.

BTW, notice how in your example under the spoiler text rows are not separated by color change like in a real scoreboard. That actually makes a big difference in readability (at least for me).
SPOILER
SPOILER
she_old
she_old

Makar wrote:

Full Tablet wrote:

It's easier to read with short names
I don't see how, as there are less distinguishable factors

SPOILER
HD
HR
HD
HR
HR
HD
HD
HD
HR
HD
HR
HR
HD
HR
HD
HD
HR

Or find the number of "Hardrock" in this:
SPOILER
Hidden
Hardrock
Hidden
Hardrock
Hardrock
Hidden
Hidden
Hidden
Hardrock
Hidden
Hardrock
Hardrock
Hidden
Hardrock
Hidden
Hidden
Hardrock
lol, support
Tshemmp
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Joined June 2011
Tshemmp
I don't like the change, hard to find certain mods. So support!
Luna
2,355 posts
Joined November 2010
Luna
It's way easier to find specific Mods with the long mod names; having all mods represented by only two letters (with overlaps as in HD/HR) just makes it unnecessarily complicated IMHO. And it's not like the old layout was overly cluttered or anything.
Supporting this.
darkmiz
407 posts
Joined August 2011
darkmiz
I suggest making different color text like DT HD HR FL EZ
Full Tablet
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Joined September 2011
Full Tablet

darkmiz wrote:

I suggest making different color text like DT HD HR FL EZ
DT NC HD HR FL EZ HT
Wishy
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Joined September 2010
Wishy
I agree long names > short names (on website).
Winshley
osu! Alumni
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Joined May 2011
Winshley
When the change applied, I started to get myself confused because of the indistinguishable factor.

On easier diff, I find it harder to distinguish HD,HR,DT,FL with HD,HR,DT,SD because they have similar length, unlike the long name variant where I can compare easier even with just skimming through the leaderboard.

I also agree with the new player issue as well.

tl;dr: Supporting.
yakimikan
9 posts
Joined May 2012
yakimikan
Support

for non english users abbreviations are really demanding.. and strange
prefer to see full mod names if there is enough room
xsrsbsns
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Joined July 2010
xsrsbsns
Support, worse readability now.
[CSGA]Ar3sgice
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[CSGA]Ar3sgice
Why is it changed at the beginning anyways o.o
Aqo
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Joined April 2010
Aqo
Support

really hard to tell mod differences apart at a glance now, which is definitely a step back from what it was before.
I might be ok with the short names if they were color-coded with a distinguishing color per mod but otherwise bring the old back

There was no reason for this change
and it makes things worse
whhhyyyyy doooo thiiissss
don't do changes for the sake of changing things
XPJ38
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XPJ38

darkmiz wrote:

I suggest making different color text like DT HD HR FL EZ
That's actually a very good idea. I'm quite neutral towards OP's request, but I support colors.
Mara
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Mara
This is kinda off-topic, but... what is HF?
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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Winshley
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Winshley

BRBP wrote:

Mara wrote:

This is kinda off-topic, but... what is HF?
I honestly can't remember the name of that o!m specific HD flip-over mod, maybe that?
Fade in, don't know what it's short name is.
It's HalfTime (Weirdly, it's not HT). FadeIn is FI.

This should explain what HF is.
Makar
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Topic Starter
Makar

Mara wrote:

This is kinda off-topic, but... what is HF?
Perfectly on topic!
Kuria
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Kuria

Mara wrote:

This is kinda off-topic, but... what is HF?
"have fun" lol
chaotic_iak
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Joined February 2012
chaotic_iak
I can see a plausible reason: it might shave off several hundreds of bytes of transmitting data when one views the beatmap page. If there are like 100k views per day, peppy shaved off several tens of megabytes of data, reducing bandwidth.

If that (bandwidth conservation) isn't the reason though, I prefer colored short name over long name or short name. For me, it's easier to see. Heck; just use the standard mod pictures.

Or otherwise, adapted from some website: Always display all mods, in the same order. However, nonused mods can be grayed out. Something like this:
EZ NF HF HR SD DT HD FL SO nK

For variation mods (PF, NC, FI, the key mods), just replace the corresponding text:
EZ NF HF HR PF NC FI FL SO 8K

The used mods can also be colored (obviously use dark colors, otherwise they aren't seen). To conserve space (horizontal space is important, some website says), some mods that negate each other (EZ-HR, NF-SD, HF-DT) can be put in the same spot:
HR SD HF HD FL SO nK

Well. I just hope the above idea doesn't stray from the topic.
silmarilen
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Joined February 2010
silmarilen
support, its just annoying to read now.
Aqo
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Aqo

chaotic_iak wrote:

I can see a plausible reason: it might shave off several hundreds of bytes of transmitting data when one views the beatmap page. If there are like 100k views per day, peppy shaved off several tens of megabytes of data, reducing bandwidth.
had a good laugh
woc2006
409 posts
Joined September 2011
woc2006
Are you sure you got confused with short name because of unreadable not unfamiliar?
those
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Joined November 2010
those
I understand the use of short forms in game, due to a limited amount of space. However, a web browser does not share that restriction.
woc2006
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Joined September 2011
woc2006

those wrote:

I understand the use of short forms in game, due to a limited amount of space. However, a web browser does not share that restriction.
The main content width is limited.
those
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those

woc2006 wrote:

those wrote:

I understand the use of short forms in game, due to a limited amount of space. However, a web browser does not share that restriction.
The main content width is limited.
Did it ever run into any problems displaying 5 mods? If not, I really don't feel the change was necessary.
Wishy
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Joined September 2010
Wishy
woc just understand this change is bad and it helps no real purpose at all (never saw any problem even while displaying 5000 mods).
chaotic_iak
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Joined February 2012
chaotic_iak
Some users have 800x600 resolution. The maximum width of a browser's content for them is something like 770px. Currently the width is 860px, so the change hasn't succeeded. But much better than with full name mods, which I should expect to be around 900px.

If width reduction is the objective though, why don't there be more width reductions? Changing Report link to a warning sign and making the headers take less width (Accuracy -> Acc, Max Combo -> Combo, etc) for example.

Also @^: 5000 mods is like 20k px wide. Not that there is any combination of 5000 mods either.
XPJ38
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XPJ38

chaotic_iak wrote:

Currently the width is 860px, so the change hasn't succeeded. But much better than with full name mods, which I should expect to be around 900px.
No, it's 864px whatever the length of the mod names. When full names were used, the other cells of the ranking table were automatically resized to be smaller.
Wishy
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Joined September 2010
Wishy
I don't think we should care about those who use 800x600, really who the hell still uses such a low resolution?

chaotic_iak wrote:

Also @^: 5000 mods is like 20k px wide. Not that there is any combination of 5000 mods either.
.......................
Aqo
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Joined April 2010
Aqo

chaotic_iak wrote:

Some users have 800x600 resolution.
Did you come here with a time machine from 1995?

According to researches it's very rare to have resolutions of 1024x768 or below today.
Primula_old
Primula_old
I would like long names back for the reason you mentioned (it's difficult to distinguish between things like HD/HR and newbies don't understand the acronyms).

But I think the mods that do not alter score should only be displayed on the in-game rankings as acronyms and removed from the web rankings.
Or at least: Append a character like * to the mod display for each player in the list using mods which do not alter score, and when that mod display is highlighted a label displays those additional mods.

So something like:
Hidden,HardRock,DoubleTime,Flashlight,SuddenDeath
Becomes:
Hidden,HardRock,DoubleTime,Flashlight* with Label: SuddenDeath
Makar
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Topic Starter
Makar

Primula wrote:

I would like long names back for the reason you mentioned (it's difficult to distinguish between things like HD/HR and newbies don't understand the acronyms).

But I think the mods that do not alter score should only be displayed on the in-game rankings as acronyms and removed from the web rankings.
Or at least: Append a character like * to the mod display for each player in the list using mods which do not alter score, and when that mod display is highlighted a label displays those additional mods.

So something like:
Hidden,HardRock,DoubleTime,Flashlight,SuddenDeath
Becomes:
Hidden,HardRock,DoubleTime,Flashlight* with Label: SuddenDeath
Definitely agree'd on this.
[CSGA]Ar3sgice
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[CSGA]Ar3sgice
.-.

just change to acronym when totalwidth is > XXX px, otherwise use long names
Winshley
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Winshley
I once squeezed out the web leaderboard for this map, but it still didn't go to the extent of breaking the interface.
Primula_old
Primula_old

Winshley wrote:

I once squeezed out the web leaderboard for this map, but it still didn't go to the extent of breaking the interface.
I had to look in game to determine what "SO" was (SpunOut I'm guessing). <--- This is why its a terrible change. ;---;
Winshley
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Winshley

Primula wrote:

Winshley wrote:

I once squeezed out the web leaderboard for this map, but it still didn't go to the extent of breaking the interface.
I had to look in game to determine what "SO" was (SpunOut I'm guessing). <--- This is why its a terrible change. ;---;
Yes, it's SpunOut.
Soaprman
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Soaprman
Maybe try icons. Colored versions of the mod icons ingame might look alright shrunk down. That way you get the benefits of shape AND color to tell things apart. Right now there's neither.

darkmiz wrote:

I suggest making different color text like DT HD HR FL EZ
This could work if the letters were bolded to make the colors stand out more. At least in that example, I can't tell HD and HR apart very easily at a glance, and even if those colors are changed, the problem will resurface when all the other mods have to be added in.

If things are kept as they are now, at least add the long names as hovertext. It'll be easier to read and could aid people in learning these goofy abbreviations.
Aqo
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Joined April 2010
Aqo
Those short names make scoreboards insanely annoying to look at. Please revert back already.

This is not a case of "give it time to get used to". You don't get used to this. It creates a strain on the eyes to try to distinguish mod combinations and it's just annoying and pointless. It was fine before... why did you change this ugh.
boat
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boat
lmao

keep it this way, these guys are hillarious
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