Penguin wrote:

abraker: determine igor town. determine penguin town.
Igor: determine Penguin sus
Penguin: determine Igor sus

This is such a shitty plan. Why would we just let you control the narrative by having you and you alone determine things that make Igor and myself town? In this plan, you're making me and Igor go against each other while you sit back and "determine" which one of us is town. This plan gives total control to yourself.

Honestly, you've manufactured two plans so far that have been complete shit, which benefit you more than anyone else.

Penguin wrote:

abraker wrote:

Alright to start from 0 here is what I'm thinking:

- Igor will come up with things that point toward penguin being scum, I will come up with things that point toward penguin being town

- I will come up with things that point toward Igor being town, Penguin will come up with things things that point Igor toward being scum

- Igor will come up with things that point me to being scum, penguin will come up with things that point me to being town

If anyone wants to do the opposite, say so. We will do this in three stages: first on penguin, the igor, then me. If you dont like that order, say so.

abraker: determine igor town. determine penguin town.
Igor: determine Penguin sus
Penguin: determine Igor sus

This is such a shitty plan. Why would we just let you control the narrative by having you and you alone determine things that make Igor and myself town? In this plan, you're making me and Igor go against each other while you sit back and "determine" which one of us is town. This plan gives total control to yourself.

Honestly, you've manufactured two plans so far that have been complete shit, which benefit you more than anyone else.

abraker wrote:

And no matter what happens today, remember: Scum will never vote first. It's better for them to wait a townie to make 1 mistake vote and then do a quick hammer vote to win.

This is not true. If scum feels very confident that they can get the other townie to vote with them, then why wouldn't they vote first? Sure, the scum can also just wait and see if the two townies go against each other (like what you're doing with your plan) then vote with whichever votes first, but that's not a guarantee. I don't know why you think that scum would NEVER vote first.

abraker wrote:

Scum wont vote first unless the vote has been decided beforehand

Penguin wrote:

Also, abraker, I have no idea why you think that I am scum. Even you pointed out in this post here that you had no idea why I would be doing certain things if I were scum.

Penguin wrote:

Then suddenly, you flipped onto me for no real reason. You've given no reasons as to why you believe I am scum, nor have you given good reasons as to why you think I'm acting illogically.[/quote]Instead of complaining that I suspect you, why don't we start from 0 by going with the plan to figure out who to suspect?

Penguin wrote:

abraker: determine igor town. determine penguin town.
Igor: determine Penguin sus
Penguin: determine Igor sus

This is such a shitty plan. Why would we just let you control the narrative by having you and you alone determine things that make Igor and myself town? In this plan, you're making me and Igor go against each other while you sit back and "determine" which one of us is town. This plan gives total control to yourself.

Honestly, you've manufactured two plans so far that have been complete shit, which benefit you more than anyone else.

abraker wrote:

If anyone wants to do the opposite, say so. We will do this in three stages: first on penguin, the igor, then me. If you dont like that order, say so.

Penguin wrote:

abraker wrote:

And no matter what happens today, remember: Scum will never vote first. It's better for them to wait a townie to make 1 mistake vote and then do a quick hammer vote to win.

This is not true. If scum feels very confident that they can get the other townie to vote with them, then why wouldn't they vote first? Sure, the scum can also just wait and see if the two townies go against each other (like what you're doing with your plan) then vote with whichever votes first, but that's not a guarantee. I don't know why you think that scum would NEVER vote first.

abraker wrote:

Scum wont vote first unless the vote has been decided beforehand

Penguin wrote:

Also, abraker, I have no idea why you think that I am scum. Even you pointed out in this post here that you had no idea why I would be doing certain things if I were scum.

Penguin wrote:

Then suddenly, you flipped onto me for no real reason. You've given no reasons as to why you believe I am scum, nor have you given good reasons as to why you think I'm acting illogically.

abraker wrote:

Penguin wrote:

Also, abraker, I have no idea why you think that I am scum. Even you pointed out in this post here that you had no idea why I would be doing certain things if I were scum.

Which means you want me to suspect Igor is scum? @Igor how do you feel about this?

abraker wrote:

Penguin wrote:

Then suddenly, you flipped onto me for no real reason. You've given no reasons as to why you believe I am scum, nor have you given good reasons as to why you think I'm acting illogically.

Instead of complaining that I suspect you, why don't we start from 0 by going with the plan to figure out who to suspect?

abraker wrote:

No matter what, it's important that we start from 0 and look at facts. This is an attempt to do it in a controlled way.

abraker wrote:

As I said,

abraker wrote:

If anyone wants to do the opposite, say so. We will do this in three stages: first on penguin, the igor, then me. If you dont like that order, say so.

abraker wrote:

Penguin wrote:

abraker wrote:

And no matter what happens today, remember: Scum will never vote first. It's better for them to wait a townie to make 1 mistake vote and then do a quick hammer vote to win.

This is not true. If scum feels very confident that they can get the other townie to vote with them, then why wouldn't they vote first? Sure, the scum can also just wait and see if the two townies go against each other (like what you're doing with your plan) then vote with whichever votes first, but that's not a guarantee. I don't know why you think that scum would NEVER vote first.

Note you said "If scum feels very confident that they can get the other townie to vote with them", as I said:

abraker wrote:

Scum wont vote first unless the vote has been decided beforehand

Penguin wrote:

Okay, so what was the point of you saying that the scum will NEVER vote first, if you then contradict yourself in your following post by saying that they will under certain situations?

abraker wrote:

@Igor do you want to start from 0 like Sakura wanted or do you want us to skip all that and let me and Penguin to duke it out?

abraker wrote:

I don't think Penguin is going to let us solve who is scum in orderly fashion at this rate. And honestly statements like

Penguin wrote:

Okay, so what was the point of you saying that the scum will NEVER vote first, if you then contradict yourself in your following post by saying that they will under certain situations?

Just rub me the wrong way because you should know what I meant, but he is twisting it to make it look like I am contradicting myself.

Penguin wrote:

Instead of assuming I'm complaining, how about you explain to me your reasons for finding me suspicious. You still haven't answered my question about how I'm acting illogically or why you suspect me.

abraker wrote:

Penguin wrote:

Also, abraker, I have no idea why you think that I am scum. Even you pointed out in this post here that you had no idea why I would be doing certain things if I were scum.

Which means you want me to suspect Igor is scum? @Igor how do you feel about this?

abraker wrote:

@Igor do you want to start from 0 like Sakura wanted or do you want us to skip all that and let me and Penguin to duke it out?

Penguin wrote:

abraker wrote:

@Igor do you want to start from 0 like Sakura wanted or do you want us to skip all that and let me and Penguin to duke it out?

I never said that I'm not willing to look back at everything starting from day 0, but I still have questions for you and I'm not going to let things that I see as suspicious slide by me so easily. Also, there is no way in hell that we are doing it like how you laid out in your "plan".

Penguin wrote:

abraker wrote:

I don't think Penguin is going to let us solve who is scum in orderly fashion at this rate. And honestly statements like

Penguin wrote:

Okay, so what was the point of you saying that the scum will NEVER vote first, if you then contradict yourself in your following post by saying that they will under certain situations?

Just rub me the wrong way because you should know what I meant, but he is twisting it to make it look like I am contradicting myself.

I am just trying to figure out what you meant. We have an entire week until we need to make a decision, why do you think I am unwilling to cooperate? Me asking a few questions / making a few statements in the first few hours of the beginning of a day does not mean that I am going to impede the process of finding out who is mafia.

igorsprite wrote:

abraker wrote:

@Igor do you want to start from 0 like Sakura wanted or do you want us to skip all that and let me and Penguin to duke it out?

idk, it's strange ask for cooperation when we have a scum among us.

community/forums/posts/8065349
"my guesses are:..."

town slip or excellent scum move - mafia knows there are 2 scum

community/forums/posts/8065349
"@pentaqola, i need you to give your role, because if you say that you aren't the town cop, sugar_owo will be"

town - If Cleaveland would have found the special town role, he would have told it to Igor via day chat. At this point in time we do not know the game setup, which means nobody knows if special town role is tracker or cop. I don't believe Igor to be experienced, careful, or aware enough to change "tracker" to "cop" in the post. Otherwise somebody would question how they knew it was tracker in that point of time.

community/forums/posts/8065349
"now abraker is sacrificing his partner, that is why ClevelandsMyBro voted for himself."

scum - knowledge of partner sacrificing tactics implies the use of them is not off the table

community/forums/posts/8065714
"2x7 is too easy ._."

town slip tier - mafia knows there are 2 scum. The added "._." coupled with Igor's experienced heavily suggests that was a legitimate emotional response to not understanding the game's setup.

community/forums/posts/8066112
"@abraker but if is really happening a big brain plan behind all of this, the only 2 capable of this will be you or penguin."

town or really good scum move - Acknowledges he is too inexperienced to make use of mind tricks. Then again if he is master mind, that's a good way to ward of suspicion.

community/forums/posts/8066297
"after reading the wiki, i think we are playing this setup:

neutral - Using public knowledge, displays moderate experience in using that info to make a point. Does not suggest anything specific, but rather a slightly more expanded list of things that might be on the table, whatever they are.

community/forums/posts/8070023
"i'm not the town tracker"

town - didn't role claim afk role. We did not know if afk role would have been filled in at that point in time, so it was a golden opportunity for scum to claim it in order to clear their name. Therefore not seizing this opportunity not scum like.

community/forums/posts/8070288
"but doing dumb things is a smart move to you because it's something you wouldn't do."

scum - Acknowledges mind tricks might be at play. This makes it likely a good guess that he is using mindtricks as scum himself

community/forums/posts/8071551
"i think abraker didn't expect someone replacing sugar_owo"


town - Looking into cause of player's actions

community/forums/posts/8073138
"2/3? only yhuan didn't vote for bambinex 🤔"


town - Points out potential fallacy in statement

community/forums/posts/8073305
"retract the vote after bambinex had enough votes to be lynched doesn't make no one less suspect."


town - logical reasoning

community/forums/posts/8073643
"i still think that abraker is more sus than penguin, but i started to sus pentaqola too"


town - reconsidering reads after new info

community/forums/posts/8074460
"I never played mafia, i thought it would be something like among us ..."

anti-town - experience that may allow to fake townie role

community/forums/posts/8074460
...

town - provides legitimate explanations for actions

community/forums/posts/8074477
...

town - provides legitimate explanations for actions

community/forums/posts/8074497
...

town - provides legitimate explanations for actions

community/forums/posts/8074966
"i will wait pentaqola say something about it, i sus her but i can't believe that abraker isn't a scum ._."

town - suspects player, but wants to hear another player before deciding verdict

community/forums/posts/8076244
...

town - trying to make sense of the situation to make an informed decision

community/forums/posts/8076266
...

anti-scum - bringing attention of something suspicious going on

community/forums/posts/8078152
...

town - complaining that vote had decided before getting response to reach verdict

Penguin wrote:

ClevelandsMyBro wrote:

YyottaCat wrote:

ClevelandsMyBro has been prodded. No response in 24 hours will cause a replacement.

wtf is this shit?

if you don't participate you will get kicked. start talking, answer for your crimes. i know you're scum, don't lie to me, boy.

igorsprite wrote:

ok, idk how to do an analysis @.@

igorsprite wrote:

community/forums/posts/8055974

Penguin wrote:

ClevelandsMyBro wrote:

YyottaCat wrote:

ClevelandsMyBro has been prodded. No response in 24 hours will cause a replacement.

wtf is this shit?

if you don't participate you will get kicked. start talking, answer for your crimes. i know you're scum, don't lie to me, boy.

@penguin how did you know that cleveland was a scum? O.o

abraker wrote:

igorsprite wrote:

ok, idk how to do an analysis @.@

Go over statements and mark them as town, scum, not helping town, or not helping scum. Include reasoning why you marked them as that. That's all.

igorsprite wrote:

community/forums/posts/8055974

Penguin wrote:

ClevelandsMyBro wrote:

YyottaCat wrote:

ClevelandsMyBro has been prodded. No response in 24 hours will cause a replacement.

wtf is this shit?

if you don't participate you will get kicked. start talking, answer for your crimes. i know you're scum, don't lie to me, boy.

@penguin how did you know that cleveland was a scum? O.o

igorsprite wrote:

i'm sorry abraker ;.; , i was trying to ignore you because the way you talk is suspect, but then you do all this analysis.

i will try to do an analysis too, but idk if it will be good.

Penguin wrote:

@abraker, I believe that you're attributing a lot of NAI information as actual reads.

Penguin wrote:

You need to remember that just because he does this "analysis" doesn't make him a townie.

Penguin wrote:

Like I said before, I believe that he is trying to control the narrative with his "analysis", by giving us information that benefits himself as a scum. I pointed out at the beginning of today that his plans always seem to benefit himself more than anyone else. He has pitted us against each other because he knew that we both suspected him at the start of today. He wants to distract us away from suspecting him and wants us to go against each other.

Penguin wrote:

Figuring out who is scum in "an orderly fashion" gives full control to abraker, since he is the one who is doing all the "analysis". That is why he refuses to answer my simple questions. I'm not refusing to engage in analysis like Sakura wanted us to do, but there is no reason why abraker can't answer my questions first. Abraker figured out that he can use Sakura's plan to benefit himself as a scum.

Penguin wrote:

The reason that I am pushing so hard against abraker is due to my previous suspicions on him, along with the fact that I believe that Igor is a townie due to his town slips and his general town play, which means that it HAS to be abraker. There will always be a lingering fear that Igor has been scum all along, but at this point in the game, everything points towards abraker being scum and Igor being town.

abraker wrote:

Penguin wrote:

@abraker, I believe that you're attributing a lot of NAI information as actual reads.

You need to go into more detail. Which specific things are NAI information?

Penguin wrote:

The reason that I am pushing so hard against abraker is due to my previous suspicions on him, along with the fact that I believe that Igor is a townie due to his town slips and his general town play, which means that it HAS to be abraker.

abraker wrote:

Town-like behavior is not to try and push scum on a specific person due to something they did. You have to lay out all the reasons that they might be town and all reasons they might be scum like I did with you. Your analysis was overwhelmingly town. If I missed something scum like, Penguin should have said so.

abraker wrote:

Either that or Penguin is the worst townie I have ever played a game with.

Penguin wrote:

abraker wrote:

Either that or Penguin is the worst townie I have ever played a game with.

xd

vote: abraker

gl igor

wp igor if you end up being scum

Tad Fibonacci wrote:

Can someone ping me when the next game starts pls. I wanna play too.

Penguin wrote:

Since Igor is fairly inexperienced in this game, he is likely to eat that shit up and believe that your fake reads are factual.

Penguin wrote:

bruh

bambinex wrote:

I fucking knew it

Penguin wrote:

lol assbeaker salty get rekt

abraker wrote:

Penguin I'm gonna make you into a pretzel

In all my time playing mafia never have a seen a townie act as horrendously executed as yours. If I were to give you a letter grade on how well you did it'd be a Z. An afk townie plays better than whatever that was. If you play any more games you shouldn't be surprised if you are lynched on day 1 - just so you wouldn't have the chance to sabotage the game. It was THAT bad.

Sakura wrote:

Funny thing is there were no private topics either.
When i found that out i realized a lot of things i took for granted had a way lesser impact.

Sakura wrote:

Yeah, mod didnt give me a dead quicktopic coz they didnt know it was a thing.