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abraker

Penguin wrote:

abraker: determine igor town. determine penguin town.
Igor: determine Penguin sus
Penguin: determine Igor sus

This is such a shitty plan. Why would we just let you control the narrative by having you and you alone determine things that make Igor and myself town? In this plan, you're making me and Igor go against each other while you sit back and "determine" which one of us is town. This plan gives total control to yourself.

Honestly, you've manufactured two plans so far that have been complete shit, which benefit you more than anyone else.
As As I said,
[quote=abraker]If anyone wants to do the opposite, say so. We will do this in three stages: first on penguin, the igor, then me. If you dont like that order, say so.No matter what, it's important that we start from 0 and look at facts. This is an attempt to do it in a controlled way.




Penguin wrote:

abraker wrote:

Alright to start from 0 here is what I'm thinking:

- Igor will come up with things that point toward penguin being scum, I will come up with things that point toward penguin being town

- I will come up with things that point toward Igor being town, Penguin will come up with things things that point Igor toward being scum

- Igor will come up with things that point me to being scum, penguin will come up with things that point me to being town

If anyone wants to do the opposite, say so. We will do this in three stages: first on penguin, the igor, then me. If you dont like that order, say so.
abraker: determine igor town. determine penguin town.
Igor: determine Penguin sus
Penguin: determine Igor sus

This is such a shitty plan. Why would we just let you control the narrative by having you and you alone determine things that make Igor and myself town? In this plan, you're making me and Igor go against each other while you sit back and "determine" which one of us is town. This plan gives total control to yourself.

Honestly, you've manufactured two plans so far that have been complete shit, which benefit you more than anyone else.


abraker wrote:

And no matter what happens today, remember: Scum will never vote first. It's better for them to wait a townie to make 1 mistake vote and then do a quick hammer vote to win.
This is not true. If scum feels very confident that they can get the other townie to vote with them, then why wouldn't they vote first? Sure, the scum can also just wait and see if the two townies go against each other (like what you're doing with your plan) then vote with whichever votes first, but that's not a guarantee. I don't know why you think that scum would NEVER vote first.
Note you said "If scum feels very confident that they can get the other townie to vote with them", as I said:

abraker wrote:

Scum wont vote first unless the vote has been decided beforehand



Penguin wrote:

Also, abraker, I have no idea why you think that I am scum. Even you pointed out in this post here that you had no idea why I would be doing certain things if I were scum.
Which means you want me to suspect Igor is scum? @Igor how do you feel about this?

Penguin wrote:

Then suddenly, you flipped onto me for no real reason. You've given no reasons as to why you believe I am scum, nor have you given good reasons as to why you think I'm acting illogically.[/quote]Instead of complaining that I suspect you, why don't we start from 0 by going with the plan to figure out who to suspect?
abraker
Making 2nd post to fix broken formatting



Penguin wrote:

abraker: determine igor town. determine penguin town.
Igor: determine Penguin sus
Penguin: determine Igor sus

This is such a shitty plan. Why would we just let you control the narrative by having you and you alone determine things that make Igor and myself town? In this plan, you're making me and Igor go against each other while you sit back and "determine" which one of us is town. This plan gives total control to yourself.

Honestly, you've manufactured two plans so far that have been complete shit, which benefit you more than anyone else.
As I said,

abraker wrote:

If anyone wants to do the opposite, say so. We will do this in three stages: first on penguin, the igor, then me. If you dont like that order, say so.
No matter what, it's important that we start from 0 and look at facts. This is an attempt to do it in a controlled way.




Penguin wrote:

abraker wrote:

And no matter what happens today, remember: Scum will never vote first. It's better for them to wait a townie to make 1 mistake vote and then do a quick hammer vote to win.
This is not true. If scum feels very confident that they can get the other townie to vote with them, then why wouldn't they vote first? Sure, the scum can also just wait and see if the two townies go against each other (like what you're doing with your plan) then vote with whichever votes first, but that's not a guarantee. I don't know why you think that scum would NEVER vote first.
Note you said "If scum feels very confident that they can get the other townie to vote with them", as I said:

abraker wrote:

Scum wont vote first unless the vote has been decided beforehand
.



Penguin wrote:

Also, abraker, I have no idea why you think that I am scum. Even you pointed out in this post here that you had no idea why I would be doing certain things if I were scum.
Which means you want me to suspect Igor is scum? @Igor how do you feel about this?



Penguin wrote:

Then suddenly, you flipped onto me for no real reason. You've given no reasons as to why you believe I am scum, nor have you given good reasons as to why you think I'm acting illogically.
Instead of complaining that I suspect you, why don't we start from 0 by going with the plan to figure out who to suspect?
Penguin

abraker wrote:

Penguin wrote:

Also, abraker, I have no idea why you think that I am scum. Even you pointed out in this post here that you had no idea why I would be doing certain things if I were scum.
Which means you want me to suspect Igor is scum? @Igor how do you feel about this?
Lmao, it is not my intention to get you to flip your sus onto Igor. You trying to blame me of doing such a thing is silly. I was simply pointing out how you don't have a real basis for putting suspicion on me, which makes you even more suspicious in my eyes.

abraker wrote:

Penguin wrote:

Then suddenly, you flipped onto me for no real reason. You've given no reasons as to why you believe I am scum, nor have you given good reasons as to why you think I'm acting illogically.
Instead of complaining that I suspect you, why don't we start from 0 by going with the plan to figure out who to suspect?
Instead of assuming I'm complaining, how about you explain to me your reasons for finding me suspicious. You still haven't answered my question about how I'm acting illogically or why you suspect me.
Penguin

abraker wrote:

No matter what, it's important that we start from 0 and look at facts. This is an attempt to do it in a controlled way.
A way that gives you full control..

and obviously, you would add a small note like this-

abraker wrote:

As I said,

abraker wrote:

If anyone wants to do the opposite, say so. We will do this in three stages: first on penguin, the igor, then me. If you dont like that order, say so.
-as a precaution, that way you can refer back to it so that your "plan" doesn't blow up in your face like your previous one if we were to disagree again.

abraker wrote:

Penguin wrote:

abraker wrote:

And no matter what happens today, remember: Scum will never vote first. It's better for them to wait a townie to make 1 mistake vote and then do a quick hammer vote to win.
This is not true. If scum feels very confident that they can get the other townie to vote with them, then why wouldn't they vote first? Sure, the scum can also just wait and see if the two townies go against each other (like what you're doing with your plan) then vote with whichever votes first, but that's not a guarantee. I don't know why you think that scum would NEVER vote first.
Note you said "If scum feels very confident that they can get the other townie to vote with them", as I said:

abraker wrote:

Scum wont vote first unless the vote has been decided beforehand
Okay, so what was the point of you saying that the scum will NEVER vote first, if you then contradict yourself in your following post by saying that they will under certain situations?
abraker
@Igor do you want to start from 0 like Sakura wanted or do you want us to skip all that and let me and Penguin to duke it out?

I don't think Penguin is going to let us solve who is scum in orderly fashion at this rate. And honestly statements like

Penguin wrote:

Okay, so what was the point of you saying that the scum will NEVER vote first, if you then contradict yourself in your following post by saying that they will under certain situations?
Just rub me the wrong way because you should know what I meant, but he is twisting it to make it look like I am contradicting myself.
Penguin

abraker wrote:

@Igor do you want to start from 0 like Sakura wanted or do you want us to skip all that and let me and Penguin to duke it out?
I never said that I'm not willing to look back at everything starting from day 0, but I still have questions for you and I'm not going to let things that I see as suspicious slide by me so easily. Also, there is no way in hell that we are doing it like how you laid out in your "plan".

abraker wrote:

I don't think Penguin is going to let us solve who is scum in orderly fashion at this rate. And honestly statements like

Penguin wrote:

Okay, so what was the point of you saying that the scum will NEVER vote first, if you then contradict yourself in your following post by saying that they will under certain situations?
Just rub me the wrong way because you should know what I meant, but he is twisting it to make it look like I am contradicting myself.
I am just trying to figure out what you meant. We have an entire week until we need to make a decision, why do you think I am unwilling to cooperate? Me asking a few questions / making a few statements in the first few hours of the beginning of a day does not mean that I am going to impede the process of finding out who is mafia.

Also, you still refuse to answer my questions:

Penguin wrote:

Instead of assuming I'm complaining, how about you explain to me your reasons for finding me suspicious. You still haven't answered my question about how I'm acting illogically or why you suspect me.
igorsprite

abraker wrote:

Penguin wrote:

Also, abraker, I have no idea why you think that I am scum. Even you pointed out in this post here that you had no idea why I would be doing certain things if I were scum.
Which means you want me to suspect Igor is scum? @Igor how do you feel about this?
normal? i don't trust you, but i'm not 100% confident that penguin is a townie, that is why i didn't vote already.

abraker wrote:

@Igor do you want to start from 0 like Sakura wanted or do you want us to skip all that and let me and Penguin to duke it out?
idk, it's strange ask for cooperation when we have a scum among us.
abraker

Penguin wrote:

abraker wrote:

@Igor do you want to start from 0 like Sakura wanted or do you want us to skip all that and let me and Penguin to duke it out?
I never said that I'm not willing to look back at everything starting from day 0, but I still have questions for you and I'm not going to let things that I see as suspicious slide by me so easily. Also, there is no way in hell that we are doing it like how you laid out in your "plan".
Then let's start from 0 and have those questions answered when they come up. Otherwise we will be stuck perpetually going back and forth between each other. How do you want to do it then?



Penguin wrote:

abraker wrote:

I don't think Penguin is going to let us solve who is scum in orderly fashion at this rate. And honestly statements like

Penguin wrote:

Okay, so what was the point of you saying that the scum will NEVER vote first, if you then contradict yourself in your following post by saying that they will under certain situations?
Just rub me the wrong way because you should know what I meant, but he is twisting it to make it look like I am contradicting myself.
I am just trying to figure out what you meant. We have an entire week until we need to make a decision, why do you think I am unwilling to cooperate? Me asking a few questions / making a few statements in the first few hours of the beginning of a day does not mean that I am going to impede the process of finding out who is mafia.
I want a focused effort. No side tracking into a feud between two experienced players. When the time comes for me to explain those actions I will.




igorsprite wrote:

abraker wrote:

@Igor do you want to start from 0 like Sakura wanted or do you want us to skip all that and let me and Penguin to duke it out?
idk, it's strange ask for cooperation when we have a scum among us.
I am like 95% sure you are town and pretty sure I can vote Penguin and the game will still continue. But in the slight chance you are scum I do not want to take that risk and go over the last 450 posts properly, starting with no assumptions and neutral reads, and building it up from there.
abraker
@Penguin I won't be answering any questions right now. Let's start from 0 however you want to.
abraker
Alright since Penguin is not going to cooperate with the original plan, I'll post a player analysis instead. Feel free to point out whatever does not make sense. First up, Igor.



Igor analysis:

community/forums/posts/8065349
"my guesses are:..."

town slip or excellent scum move - mafia knows there are 2 scum


community/forums/posts/8065349
"@pentaqola, i need you to give your role, because if you say that you aren't the town cop, sugar_owo will be"

town - If Cleaveland would have found the special town role, he would have told it to Igor via day chat. At this point in time we do not know the game setup, which means nobody knows if special town role is tracker or cop. I don't believe Igor to be experienced, careful, or aware enough to change "tracker" to "cop" in the post. Otherwise somebody would question how they knew it was tracker in that point of time.


community/forums/posts/8065349
"now abraker is sacrificing his partner, that is why ClevelandsMyBro voted for himself."

scum - knowledge of partner sacrificing tactics implies the use of them is not off the table


community/forums/posts/8065714
"2x7 is too easy ._."

town slip tier - mafia knows there are 2 scum. The added "._." coupled with Igor's experienced heavily suggests that was a legitimate emotional response to not understanding the game's setup.


community/forums/posts/8066112
"@abraker but if is really happening a big brain plan behind all of this, the only 2 capable of this will be you or penguin."

town or really good scum move - Acknowledges he is too inexperienced to make use of mind tricks. Then again if he is master mind, that's a good way to ward of suspicion.


community/forums/posts/8066297
"after reading the wiki, i think we are playing this setup:

neutral - Using public knowledge, displays moderate experience in using that info to make a point. Does not suggest anything specific, but rather a slightly more expanded list of things that might be on the table, whatever they are.


community/forums/posts/8070023
"i'm not the town tracker"

town - didn't role claim afk role. We did not know if afk role would have been filled in at that point in time, so it was a golden opportunity for scum to claim it in order to clear their name. Therefore not seizing this opportunity not scum like.


community/forums/posts/8070288
"but doing dumb things is a smart move to you because it's something you wouldn't do."

scum - Acknowledges mind tricks might be at play. This makes it likely a good guess that he is using mindtricks as scum himself
community/forums/posts/8071551
"i think abraker didn't expect someone replacing sugar_owo"


town - Looking into cause of player's actions
community/forums/posts/8073138
"2/3? only yhuan didn't vote for bambinex 🤔"


town - Points out potential fallacy in statement
community/forums/posts/8073305
"retract the vote after bambinex had enough votes to be lynched doesn't make no one less suspect."


town - logical reasoning
community/forums/posts/8073643
"i still think that abraker is more sus than penguin, but i started to sus pentaqola too"


town - reconsidering reads after new info
community/forums/posts/8074460
"I never played mafia, i thought it would be something like among us ..."

anti-town - experience that may allow to fake townie role


community/forums/posts/8074460
...

town - provides legitimate explanations for actions


community/forums/posts/8074477
...

town - provides legitimate explanations for actions


community/forums/posts/8074497
...

town - provides legitimate explanations for actions


community/forums/posts/8074966
"i will wait pentaqola say something about it, i sus her but i can't believe that abraker isn't a scum ._."

town - suspects player, but wants to hear another player before deciding verdict


community/forums/posts/8076244
...

town - trying to make sense of the situation to make an informed decision


community/forums/posts/8076266
...

anti-scum - bringing attention of something suspicious going on


community/forums/posts/8078152
...

town - complaining that vote had decided before getting response to reach verdict
abraker
Minor corrections to be made:
First what the town, anti-town, anti-scum, scum stuff mean:
town slip - A screw up that can prove a player is town
town - Statement or action that helps town or has legitimacy
anti-town - Statement or action that doesn't help town
anti-scum - Statement or action that doesn't help scum
scum - Statement or action that helps scum
scum slip - A screw up that can prove a player is scum


community/forums/posts/8065349
"@pentaqola, i need you to give your role, because if you say that you aren't the town cop, sugar_owo will be"

town - If Cleaveland would have found the special town role, he would have told it to Igor via day chat. At this point in time we do not know the game setup, which means nobody knows if special town role is tracker or cop. I don't believe Igor to be experienced, careful, or aware enough to change "tracker" to "cop" in the post. Otherwise somebody would question how they knew it was tracker in that point of time.
^ It may have been possible that Cleaveland did not find tracker role. With that factored in I think it's more scum leaning, not full on scum, but def anti-town. I don't think town should focus on figuring out special townie roles that early in the game. It's not like Penta or Sugar was about to be lynched either, so there was really no point in figuring out who had the special role. Figure out who has special role is like painting them a target for night kill.

town - didn't role claim afk role. We did not know if afk role would have been filled in at that point in time, so it was a golden opportunity for scum to claim it in order to clear their name. Therefore not seizing this opportunity not scum like.
^ This should be anti-scum and not town. It's not something you expect scum to do, but also isn't telling of town.
igorsprite
i'm sorry abraker ;.; , i was trying to ignore you because the way you talk is suspect, but then you do all this analysis.

i will try to do an analysis too, but idk if it will be good.
igorsprite
ok, idk how to do an analysis @.@

community/forums/posts/8055974

Penguin wrote:

ClevelandsMyBro wrote:

YyottaCat wrote:

ClevelandsMyBro has been prodded. No response in 24 hours will cause a replacement.
wtf is this shit?
if you don't participate you will get kicked. start talking, answer for your crimes. i know you're scum, don't lie to me, boy.
@penguin how did you know that cleveland was a scum? O.o

@abraker i was hard suspecting you because the way you talk is strange, sakura hard suspected you, penguin never hard suspected me and penguin agreed with everything that i said at day 3.

but if penguin manipulated me all this time?
abraker

igorsprite wrote:

ok, idk how to do an analysis @.@
Go over statements and mark them as town, scum, not helping town, or not helping scum. Include reasoning why you marked them as that. That's all.

igorsprite wrote:

community/forums/posts/8055974

Penguin wrote:

ClevelandsMyBro wrote:

YyottaCat wrote:

ClevelandsMyBro has been prodded. No response in 24 hours will cause a replacement.
wtf is this shit?
if you don't participate you will get kicked. start talking, answer for your crimes. i know you're scum, don't lie to me, boy.
@penguin how did you know that cleveland was a scum? O.o
You might be tempted to use this as evidence of penguin singling out his scumbudy, but honestly any town could have said that as part of day 1 randomness. Penguin could have also named another person. Rule of thumb: Day 1 rarely contains any useful decision related info.

You first have to think about why they said what they said before jumping to conclusions.
igorsprite

abraker wrote:

igorsprite wrote:

ok, idk how to do an analysis @.@
Go over statements and mark them as town, scum, not helping town, or not helping scum. Include reasoning why you marked them as that. That's all.
abraker
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Well if you not going to do that I guess I'll need to wait for penguin to respond.
abraker
@Penguin give thoughts on my analysis on Igor. After we decide whether he is scum or town do an analysis on me.
Penguin

igorsprite wrote:

community/forums/posts/8055974

Penguin wrote:

ClevelandsMyBro wrote:

YyottaCat wrote:

ClevelandsMyBro has been prodded. No response in 24 hours will cause a replacement.
wtf is this shit?
if you don't participate you will get kicked. start talking, answer for your crimes. i know you're scum, don't lie to me, boy.
@penguin how did you know that cleveland was a scum? O.o
I didn't lol. Don't look too hard into a random bullshit statement I made that coincidentally was true in the end. It was just a random accusation to see how he reacted to me.

@abraker, I believe that you're attributing a lot of NAI information as actual reads.
Penguin

igorsprite wrote:

i'm sorry abraker ;.; , i was trying to ignore you because the way you talk is suspect, but then you do all this analysis.

i will try to do an analysis too, but idk if it will be good.
You need to remember that just because he does this "analysis" doesn't make him a townie. Like I said before, I believe that he is trying to control the narrative with his "analysis", by giving us information that benefits himself as a scum. I pointed out at the beginning of today that his plans always seem to benefit himself more than anyone else. He has pitted us against each other because he knew that we both suspected him at the start of today. He wants to distract us away from suspecting him and wants us to go against each other.

Figuring out who is scum in "an orderly fashion" gives full control to abraker, since he is the one who is doing all the "analysis". That is why he refuses to answer my simple questions. I'm not refusing to engage in analysis like Sakura wanted us to do, but there is no reason why abraker can't answer my questions first. Abraker figured out that he can use Sakura's plan to benefit himself as a scum.

The reason that I am pushing so hard against abraker is due to my previous suspicions on him, along with the fact that I believe that Igor is a townie due to his town slips and his general town play, which means that it HAS to be abraker. There will always be a lingering fear that Igor has been scum all along, but at this point in the game, everything points towards abraker being scum and Igor being town.
abraker

Penguin wrote:

@abraker, I believe that you're attributing a lot of NAI information as actual reads.
You need to go into more detail. Which specific things are NAI information?

Penguin wrote:

You need to remember that just because he does this "analysis" doesn't make him a townie.
This is correct, it doesn't

Penguin wrote:

Like I said before, I believe that he is trying to control the narrative with his "analysis", by giving us information that benefits himself as a scum. I pointed out at the beginning of today that his plans always seem to benefit himself more than anyone else. He has pitted us against each other because he knew that we both suspected him at the start of today. He wants to distract us away from suspecting him and wants us to go against each other.
This has as much truth as me saying, "Penguin is trying to control the narrative by trying not to follow along what Sakura said we should do." Does it really help in figuring out who's scum? No. Does it try to make one person appear less trustworthy and another appear more trustworthy? Yes.

Penguin wrote:

Figuring out who is scum in "an orderly fashion" gives full control to abraker, since he is the one who is doing all the "analysis". That is why he refuses to answer my simple questions. I'm not refusing to engage in analysis like Sakura wanted us to do, but there is no reason why abraker can't answer my questions first. Abraker figured out that he can use Sakura's plan to benefit himself as a scum.
I was avoiding answering questions because I wanted to clear Igor first.

Penguin wrote:

The reason that I am pushing so hard against abraker is due to my previous suspicions on him, along with the fact that I believe that Igor is a townie due to his town slips and his general town play, which means that it HAS to be abraker. There will always be a lingering fear that Igor has been scum all along, but at this point in the game, everything points towards abraker being scum and Igor being town.
Since we both can agree Igor is town, next please come up with an analysis on me.

====

@Igor, since we are both clearing you as town you are taking on a critical role here. You are going to act as the judge between us because at the end, your vote is all that matters at this point. You have all reason to believe both of us are trying to miniplate you. You can't really manipulate facts, however. If you believe someone said something without reason or is just false, point it out.

Keep in mind it is in scum's best interest not to follow anything logical. That's the only thing that can tell truth from falsity. Doing so puts scum into a very tough spot because it can be very likely a conclusion would be found that proves they are scum. This why even if I am "controlling the narrative", it cannot be anti-town to analyze players from an objective lens. If Penguin doesn't want to do that much, it will be very telling who's side he is on.

Town-like behavior is not to try and push scum on a specific person due to something they did. You have to lay out all the reasons that they might be town and all reasons they might be scum like I did with you. Your analysis was overwhelmingly town. If I missed something scum like, Penguin should have said so.

Now all that said Penguin's behavior worries me. Scum try to control the narrative and try to divert away from logic and reason, and prefer to pass speculation as proof. Penguin is currently pushing me to answer questions rather hastily without agreeing to look at things from an objective lens. Pushing me even though I said he will get his shot to ask those questions. Even if he is town, given all what I just said, these actions are very anti-town.

While you are thinking things over keep asking yourself this: Among everything we say above, who speaks more truth than speculation?
abraker
@Igor, also notice this

abraker wrote:

Penguin wrote:

@abraker, I believe that you're attributing a lot of NAI information as actual reads.
You need to go into more detail. Which specific things are NAI information?

Penguin wrote:

The reason that I am pushing so hard against abraker is due to my previous suspicions on him, along with the fact that I believe that Igor is a townie due to his town slips and his general town play, which means that it HAS to be abraker.

abraker wrote:

Town-like behavior is not to try and push scum on a specific person due to something they did. You have to lay out all the reasons that they might be town and all reasons they might be scum like I did with you. Your analysis was overwhelmingly town. If I missed something scum like, Penguin should have said so.
1. If Penguin says I making reads based on NAI information, then some or lot of the analysis can be wrong
2. Penguin still says your are town
3. I believe you are town too
4. Despite analysis being potentially wrong, I still clear you

How does this make sense? Try to figure it out without looking in spoiler.
spoiler
Say you are scum and I and Penguin are town. As you can see, I and Penguin are two townies that think one another is scum. Then I and Penguin need to approach reads with more caution at this late stage of the game. It's unreasonable to believe someone is scum so easily without first trying to lay out all the scum things they did and all the town things they did. Suffice to say, we would both fail as townies for not suspecting you.

For scum however, it doesn't matter who gets voted. They need to just pick a player and convince the other that player they chose is scum. Since I and Penguin are both trying to convince you that one of us scum, this must mean you are town. Either that or Penguin is the worst townie I have ever played a game with.
Penguin

abraker wrote:

Either that or Penguin is the worst townie I have ever played a game with.
xd

vote: abraker

gl igor

wp igor if you end up being scum
igorsprite

Penguin wrote:

abraker wrote:

Either that or Penguin is the worst townie I have ever played a game with.
xd

vote: abraker

gl igor

wp igor if you end up being scum
aaaa you guys only vote when i'm sleeping, i will think about it later because i'm not at home now
Penguin
The fact that Igor hasn't voted yet confirms that he is town. He would have jumped on that hammer vote the instant he saw it. Or he is just toying with his food xd
Tad Fibonacci
Can someone ping me when the next game starts pls. I wanna play too.
Joon Yorigami

Tad Fibonacci wrote:

Can someone ping me when the next game starts pls. I wanna play too.
Bamb's game has been waiting for a player for about a month now I think, maybe try that instead?
Penguin
Also, I just want to sort this out real quick before abraker tries to use it as evidence against me any further than he has already tried..

I truly do believe that a lot of the "town" reads you have on Igor are NAI. The reason I pointed it out even though I believe that Igor is a town, is because I believe that you are attributing NAI as townreads to further spin your narrative. I believe that you are going to start pinning some NAI stuff that I've said against me as if it's scum behavior when in reality, it's NAI. Same thing with you if you analyze your own posts. You'll just point out random stuff as "town" even when it doesn't mean shit. Since Igor is fairly inexperienced in this game, he is likely to eat that shit up and believe that your fake reads are factual.
abraker

Penguin wrote:

Since Igor is fairly inexperienced in this game, he is likely to eat that shit up and believe that your fake reads are factual.
Well same goes to anything you say to make my efforts at proving which one of us is scum illegitimate.

And ofc you did not explain which reads are NAI and why. And ofc you did not proceed to make analysis on me. Afterall, why would scum want to use logic reasoning?

If I were to analyze my own posts or you yours because ofc it's going to be biased toward town. And ofc both going to be biased toward scum if we analyze each other.

Still you should come up with an analysis for me. I'll come up with an analysis for you later in the day.

Vote: Penguin

It's all up to you, Igor. Vote only when you are sure which one of us is scum. We will continue to debate in an effort to convince you.
igorsprite
@ClevelandsMyBro are you seeing this? we won.


Vote: Penguin
Penguin
bruh
igorsprite

Penguin wrote:

bruh
top 10 bruh moments
z0z
wow you guys got baited, i wouldn't have made it this far though
Jacques Chirac
I fucking knew it
igorsprite

bambinex wrote:

I fucking knew it
that is why you died :^)
z0z
i'm willing to bet that abraker and penguin just hate each other that much
Topic Starter
Hoshimegu Mio
THE GAME ENDS.

Penguin was shot by the executioner.

Penguin was a
Townie.

Igorsprite chants as abraker runs of in terror. However, the effort was not to be of any use. Igorsprite caught abraker, making him the last victim of the game.

MAFIA WINS.
Topic Starter
Hoshimegu Mio
You thought it was 1/2 chance when in the end you've townread the wrong person the whole time.
pentaqola
WAIT I WAS RIGHT?!
pentaqola
GOD FUCKING I WASN'T DELUSIONAL THEN
abraker
Penguin I'm gonna make you into a pretzel

In all my time playing mafia never have a seen a townie act as horrendously executed as yours. If I were to give you a letter grade on how well you did it'd be a Z. An afk townie plays better than whatever that was. If you play any more games you shouldn't be surprised if you are lynched on day 1 - just so you wouldn't have the chance to sabotage the game. It was THAT bad.
Penguin
lol assbeaker salty get rekt
pentaqola

Penguin wrote:

lol assbeaker salty get rekt
bruh we are all rekt

congrats igor, you made everyone believe you and even made me look like a fool to myself
Joon Yorigami
man I didn't get to join in the fun :(
rematyar
i knew it
Sakura
The game where Sakura managed to get the most townread person voted out and get the last scum lock town.
Yup it was a game with Sakura in it alright.
/flee
Sakura
Not that penguin's tunnel vision helped any...
Sakura

abraker wrote:

Penguin I'm gonna make you into a pretzel

In all my time playing mafia never have a seen a townie act as horrendously executed as yours. If I were to give you a letter grade on how well you did it'd be a Z. An afk townie plays better than whatever that was. If you play any more games you shouldn't be surprised if you are lynched on day 1 - just so you wouldn't have the chance to sabotage the game. It was THAT bad.
Seriously tho abraker, everyone made mistakes. Penguin wasnt even that bad, he just had a severe case of tunnel vision, i eliminated the most townread non confirmed townie and managed to lock town last scum, and you after resetting decided to call 90% of the last scum's ISO town.

What happened D1 shouldn't have happened tho, people barely discussed and flash lynched someone.

Also im still bad at reading newbies too, which is why i didnt immediately join this game or replace in at an earlier time.
Sakura
Funny thing is there were no private topics either.
When i found that out i realized a lot of things i took for granted had a way lesser impact.
abraker
Severe case of tunnel vision is an understatement.

Penguin, maybe you want to give us insight on what really happened here?



Sakura wrote:

Funny thing is there were no private topics either.
When i found that out i realized a lot of things i took for granted had a way lesser impact.
You mean the quick forums for mafia other games had?
Sakura
Yeah, mod didnt give me a dead quicktopic coz they didnt know it was a thing.
Topic Starter
Hoshimegu Mio

Sakura wrote:

Yeah, mod didnt give me a dead quicktopic coz they didnt know it was a thing.
I knew it was a thing but I can't even access that website.
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