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Learn me how2rainbow please

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Koharu-chan
16 posts
Joined September 2008
Topic Starter
Koharu-chan
Im desperated or I dont know. I can perfectly do whole song with max combo in osu mania but I canøt click on rainbows >_>.
Im click to the beat I dont know what is problem of it or what is my problem....but im frustrated of fact I cant click on rainbows
Well with seperated arrows I sometimes manage to do but with slides longer bars its not possible I think I scored rainbow on longer bar like 2-10 times in my history of play osu mania.
Please learn me how2rainbow thank you.
silmarilen
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Joined February 2010
silmarilen
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VoidnOwO
1,256 posts
Joined August 2012
VoidnOwO
The timing is really strict, which is why you don't see a lot of 1'000'000 scores.
Just practice.
theowest
osu! Alumni
6,891 posts
Joined January 2009
theowest
I guess this is the right forum after all, moved.
Koharu-chan
16 posts
Joined September 2008
Topic Starter
Koharu-chan

theowest wrote:

I guess this is the right forum after all, moved.
Thanks for moving it.
I still dont get it how to get rainbows on those long bars :_:
VoidnOwO
1,256 posts
Joined August 2012
VoidnOwO
Use Hidden so that you won't look at the holds and release them too early/late. Listen instead.
And use higher scroll speed.
Flight Zone
5 posts
Joined January 2013
Flight Zone
I ignore the hitzone because its weirdly offset on my computer and just listen to the music.
It helps a lot if the music has a strong beat like on any nightcore song

That being said, it's really difficult to SS harder songs, and impossible to fully rainbow.
Nathanael
Global Moderator
6,163 posts
Joined January 2013
Nathanael

Flight Zone wrote:

I ignore the hitzone because its weirdly offset on my computer and just listen to the music.
It helps a lot if the music has a strong beat like on any nightcore song

That being said, it's really difficult to SS harder songs, and impossible to fully rainbow.
I agree at Flight Zone.
» You can practice with the 'hidden' mod to get the rainbow without having the hitzone as your guide.
» I would also suggest use the speed 11-15 for the notes. It can also help you improve get it.
VoidnOwO
1,256 posts
Joined August 2012
VoidnOwO

iYuzuru wrote:

» I would also suggest use the speed 11-15 for the notes.
Find out a value (BPM x multiplier) that's best for you, and change the speed multiplier accordingly.
Telling someone to use fixed values like 11-15 when there are songs ranging from like 80bpm to 370bpm is just stupid.

I got a S on made of fire 4k (ok it's not that hard, but feel free to try yourself) with speed 1, you simply can't tell others what speed to use.
Nathanael
Global Moderator
6,163 posts
Joined January 2013
Nathanael

BRBP wrote:

iYuzuru wrote:

» I would also suggest use the speed 11-15 for the notes.
Find out a value (BPM x multiplier) that's best for you, and change the speed multiplier accordingly.
Telling someone to use fixed values like 11-15 when there are songs ranging from like 80bpm to 370bpm is just stupid.
You can't change the speed at o!m beatmaps and it would be better to practice it in its natural speed whether it will go fast or slow.
Its just a suggestion by the way so its better to practice on its usual speed.

Changing the speed multiplier where you are used to is kind of cheating.
Hanyuu
2,223 posts
Joined February 2009
Hanyuu
You can't change the speed at o!m beatmaps and it would be better to practice it in its natural speed whether it will go fast or slow.
Its just a suggestion by the way so its better to practice on its usual speed.

Changing the speed multiplier where you are used to is kind of cheating.
You can change the speed by pressing CTRL and + and - in the menu and by pressing F3 and F4 during the game. Ofcourse it is better for everyone to play at their usual speed but as soon as people get better they will notice some up and downs at playing at different scroll speeds.

A faster scroll speed gives you a better reading at the map during playing since notes arent close together and can be identified quickly. A faster speed also helps with your timing because you can easily react when a note should hit the bottom.
On the other side too slow scroll speeds will only harm your play, playing an average tempo song for example at speed 1 or 2 is not really doable for most of the players and i explained why before.

Allthough allways playing at high speeds is not allways the best thing. For example if you have trouble with a song to identify its patterns and react to it, it will be usefull to play 1 or 2 speeds lower than what you usually play this song like. It is also usefull for autoconverted songs to play them a bit lower if you have trouble with some. They are different to play because they have no patterns and the notes are often very bad and your just trying to hit random keys right.

And no, changing the speed multiplier is no cheating, it is part of the game and it is very usufull to help you play songs :D
Nathanael
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6,163 posts
Joined January 2013
Nathanael

Hanyuu wrote:

And no, changing the speed multiplier is no cheating, it is part of the game and it is very usufull to help you play songs :D
Just a kind of cheating since nobody from your co-players can't see what speed are you using. Still, the scoring is the same.
I've played O2Jam before and it doesn't allow you to change the speed when playing. Unlike o!m, its allowed.

Anyway, it will depend on the user where he/she is used to.
Hanyuu
2,223 posts
Joined February 2009
Hanyuu
On mania maps it only allows you to change speed in the first couple seconds of a map. So you cant cheat by bypassing BPM changes during a song.
CXu
osu! Alumni
3,558 posts
Joined March 2009
CXu
I'll just go ahead and say that you need to release the hold notes at the correct timing as well, not only hit them at the correct times, to get a rainbow 300 on them. Maybe you knew already, but eh since you're having trouble with the holds :P
Flight Zone
5 posts
Joined January 2013
Flight Zone

Hanyuu wrote:

On mania maps it only allows you to change speed in the first couple seconds of a map. So you cant cheat by bypassing BPM changes during a song.
actually I think you can also change speed during break, but not sure
VoidnOwO
1,256 posts
Joined August 2012
VoidnOwO

Flight Zone wrote:

Hanyuu wrote:

On mania maps it only allows you to change speed in the first couple seconds of a map. So you cant cheat by bypassing BPM changes during a song.
actually I think you can also change speed during break, but not sure
Now you can change it any time you want. I always switch speeds in middle of UN Owen Was Her since it goes from 200bpm to 400bpm.

iYuzuru wrote:

Just a kind of cheating since nobody from your co-players can't see what speed are you using. Still, the scoring is the same.
Watch their replays, it should default to what they were using.

iYuzuru wrote:

Changing the speed multiplier where you are used to is kind of cheating.
*facepalm* In case you haven't noticed, this isn't O2Jam.

Honestly, if you think they're getting an unfair avantage by "cheating", use the same speed yourself. It's not that complicated.
CooLExtreme
14 posts
Joined November 2012
CooLExtreme

Koharu-chan wrote:

Im desperated or I dont know. I can perfectly do whole song with max combo in osu mania but I canøt click on rainbows >_>.
Im click to the beat I dont know what is problem of it or what is my problem....but im frustrated of fact I cant click on rainbows
Well with seperated arrows I sometimes manage to do but with slides longer bars its not possible I think I scored rainbow on longer bar like 2-10 times in my history of play osu mania.
Please learn me how2rainbow thank you.
Eat your vegetables
Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias
Personally, I play 150 BPM at speed 17 (150x17=2550) and adjust up or down based on the BPM (190-200 BPM = 13, 120 bpm = 20, etc.) I don't change speeds during songs ever though. If a song has a BPM change that is just too extreme, I simply don't play it, or if I still want to play it, I'l create a custom difficulty with the speed changes reduced or removed (I've never actually done that yet).

The faster you can handle, the easier it is to actually time things properly.

Here's some math (I'm picking random values here to make the math easy, I don't know the actual numbers):

Let's say 150 BPM at speed 6 (default speed) scrolls at 60 pixels per beat. That means that 1 whole beat is 60 pixels tall. If you double the speed to 12, 1 beat becomes 120 pixels tall. This means that there is twice as much space between each note.

At 150 BPM, 1 beat is 0.4 seconds, or 400 ms.
At speed 6 that means 1 pixel is equal to 400ms/60 pixels, or 6.6666 ms.
If you double your speed to 12, 1 pixel would only be 3.3333 ms.

If your timing window for a rainbow is 22ms, at speed 6 your window is only 3.3 pixels tall, but if you move up to speed 12, it becomes 6.6 pixels tall.

What does this mean? It means that the faster you make things scroll, the larger your timing window becomes visually. The trade off is that it requires faster reaction times. The good news is that you can train yourself to read faster speeds pretty easily.
Hanyuu
2,223 posts
Joined February 2009
Hanyuu
Wow *clap* *clap*

That was pretty nice explained Bobbias. Yeah faster scroll speed help your timing alot, as long as it does not get too fast for you to react.
@BRBP: i meant actual mania diffs not normal beatmaps played through mania mode (those you can change speed during the gameplay of course)
Nathanael
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Nathanael

BRBP wrote:

*facepalm* In case you haven't noticed, this isn't O2Jam.
Honestly, if you think they're getting an unfair avantage by "cheating", use the same speed yourself. It's not that complicated.
That's why I said its a kind of cheating for me when you adjust your speed while playing..

Let me get this straight...
You don't need to call my suggestion as 'stupid' because that is my way of playing it and I'm used to it. That's why I suggested that.
We have our own ways on how to play the game and its up to the person who needs suggestions on what he/she will follow.

The person can try it and if he/she isn't satisfied, then he/she can just try the others and look for where he/she is good to.

@Bobbias, It seems we're the same. :3
[Shiroyasha]
15 posts
Joined March 2013
[Shiroyasha]
I suggest you look for your most comfortable speed settings for each range of bpm, Don't go too slow or too fast unless you want to change your style. and if you're planning on changing skin for osu!mania better if you do it ASAP so adjusting won't be a pain in the a...abs ( I messed up hard at this tried different skin now i have to adjust again lol ).

also if you plan on training accuracy playing songs that are in your comfort zone is better, playing songs outside your comfort zone just helps more in note reading and hand coordination.
VoidnOwO
1,256 posts
Joined August 2012
VoidnOwO

iYuzuru wrote:

BRBP wrote:

*facepalm* In case you haven't noticed, this isn't O2Jam.
Honestly, if you think they're getting an unfair avantage by "cheating", use the same speed yourself. It's not that complicated.
That's why I said its a kind of cheating for me when you adjust your speed while playing..

Let me get this straight...
You don't need to call my suggestion as 'stupid' because that is my way of playing it and I'm used to it. That's why I suggested that.
Sorry if I was unclear, I was actually calling you stupid for coming from some other game and calling people cheaters because they don't play like you do.
Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias

BRBP wrote:

iYuzuru wrote:

That's why I said its a kind of cheating for me when you adjust your speed while playing..

Let me get this straight...
You don't need to call my suggestion as 'stupid' because that is my way of playing it and I'm used to it. That's why I suggested that.
Sorry if I was unclear, I was actually calling you stupid for coming from some other game and calling people cheaters because they don't play like you do.
BRBP, you're being a dick for no good reason. Learn to stop taking things personally. He stated that when people changed their speed in the middle of a song it felt like they were cheating to him. That is NOT the same as saying they are cheating and need to be banned from doing that. He expressed his point of view in about the least offensive way possible, and you just decided to shit on him because you disagree? Grow up.

Personally, I kinda feel the same way about changing speed in the middle of a song... But if you or anyone else wants to do it, I'm not going to stop you or call you a cheater for it.
VoidnOwO
1,256 posts
Joined August 2012
VoidnOwO
Then he misunderstood what I meant, because his first post about this subject said nothing about "it's only cheating if you do it in the middle of a song". It stated that he was against changing the speed in general, so that you can only play with speed x1, which is stupid.

And you agree with me.
Bobbias
1,447 posts
Joined March 2011
Bobbias

BRBP wrote:

Then he misunderstood what I meant, because his first post about this subject said nothing about "it's only cheating if you do it in the middle of a song". It stated that he was against changing the speed in general, so that you can only play with speed x1, which is stupid.

And you agree with me.
IIRC 6x is the default, not 1x, but I get what you mean. Also, o2jam had speed settings ranging from 0.5x to 8x, so referring to speed changes coming from someone who is familiar with o2jam is more likely to refer to changing speed in game. I'm not sure if you were familiar with that, so I'm not faulting you for not understanding what he meant in the first post. He wasn't particularly clear about what he meant there.

I may have been a tad harsh with my response, but I'm sick of seeing people fight online for no good reason. If someone says something you disagree with, by all means disagree with them, but be respectful.
Cuppp
113 posts
Joined February 2013
Cuppp
If it helps, I might have a solution. Though it is a solution if you have previously hit 300+s and 300s.

I had a problem where I would only hit 100's and 200's even though I knew I was pressing them at the right time. What caused my problem was that I had somehow set my fps to 60 (vsync) by accident. When I put it back to unlimited where I usually have 1-2k fps, it was fixed
Dazzy
170 posts
Joined April 2011
Dazzy
A simple solution to everything... Play more, practice more, practice hard, practice good!
If you play harder difficultys it will be easier to time easier difficultys, and when you learn to get your timings right you will just have a higher and higher accuracy on a first pass.

Summary--> "Solution: Playmore"
InabaYap
41 posts
Joined November 2012
InabaYap
Visually, at least 2400/bpm scrollspeed should be alright especially if you already can react fast enough.
If it's a mental problem for autoconverts, imagine that you're playing osu! and time the hold notes as if they are sliders. Well, they really are sliders, which explains the weird timing.
iantanye
33 posts
Joined March 2012
iantanye
The difference between 300s and rainbow 300s is bullshit. I am fully convinced that it's randomly generated. peppy has set me to get non-rainbows at a higher frequency just to spite me personally.
CooLExtreme
14 posts
Joined November 2012
CooLExtreme

iantanye wrote:

The difference between 300s and rainbow 300s is bullshit. I am fully convinced that it's randomly generated. peppy has set me to get non-rainbows at a higher frequency just to spite me personally.
You need to eat more vegetables
Yoeri
433 posts
Joined March 2012
Yoeri

iantanye wrote:

The difference between 300s and rainbow 300s is bullshit. I am fully convinced that it's randomly generated. peppy has set me to get non-rainbows at a higher frequency just to spite me personally.
I get more 300gs than 300s. Does that mean peppy likes me?
iantanye
33 posts
Joined March 2012
iantanye
Possibly.
andromeda2020
59 posts
Joined December 2012
andromeda2020

Hanyuu wrote:

On mania maps it only allows you to change speed in the first couple seconds of a map. So you cant cheat by bypassing BPM changes during a song.
Well actually before that you can change the speed anytime just look at the gameplay of un owen was her the mcdonald version LOL. I don`t know why this time it does not work anymore .
Yoeri
433 posts
Joined March 2012
Yoeri

andromeda2020 wrote:

Hanyuu wrote:

On mania maps it only allows you to change speed in the first couple seconds of a map. So you cant cheat by bypassing BPM changes during a song.
Well actually before that you can change the speed anytime just look at the gameplay of un owen was her the mcdonald version LOL. I don`t know why this time it does not work anymore .
Standard converts allow for speed to be changed at all times. osu!mania specific maps only allow it at the start of the map.
andromeda2020
59 posts
Joined December 2012
andromeda2020
Oh ok now I see the difference ;)
IQ166
45 posts
Joined March 2012
IQ166
I think you can feel BPM in your brain.
Find your best BPM and make 1,000,000 score.
If you can't get 1,000,000... you can retry.

You can analyse your problem in your rhythm.
( if you get YELLOW 300 than your rhythm is too fast or too slow. )
Find it and fix it.

Don't stop it than you will get super accuracy in osu!mania!
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CeilingPanda
148 posts
Joined June 2012
CeilingPanda
I know this is old but can the offset not affect the timing?
Suprised no one mentioned it yet but well that helped me in standard, not sure about mania though as I've plyed like 3 maps.
Yoeri
433 posts
Joined March 2012
Yoeri
Changing the timing is kind of the entire point of offset.
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