[Guideline]Mania diff spread

woc2006

Joined September 2011

Topic Starter

woc2006 2013-04-01T15:52:37+00:00

It's just an idea.
Assume that the general diffculty of 4K easy is less than 5K easy, and 5K easy< 6K easy < 7K easy < 8K easy
Assume that 8K easy< 4K normal in general playing skill requirement level.
Let diffculty of 4K easy be 1, so, we can get a relative difficulty level (RDL) table:

          4K  5K  6K  7K  8K
easy     1    2    3    4   5
normal  6    7    8   9   10
hard    11  12   13  14  15
insane  16  17  18   19  20
max     21   22  23   24  25

Then we can make guideline with the table: RDL difference of every two adjacent diff in your mapset should be kept under 6(<=6)
Examples:
mapset A: 4K easy(1)+7K easy(4)+7K normal(9)+7K hard(14)+ 7K insane(19) <-----Accept
mapset B: 4K easy(1)+7K normal(9)+7K insane(19) <-----Deny,because 19-9=10 > 7 and 9-1=8>7
mapset C: 7K normal(9)+7K hard(14)+7K max(24) <----- Deny, 24-14 =10>7
mapset D: 4K easy(1)+5K normal(7)+6K hard(13)+7K insane(19) <----Accept

Garven

osu! Alumni

5,857 posts

Joined January 2010

Garven 2013-04-01T16:19:34+00:00

Sounds fine to me, though are there specific techniques that are frowned upon depending on difficulty level? Example: sliders ending on 1/2 snap arent okay in east, but okay in normal. Double hits are okay in easy, triple in normal, etc.

Maybe defining some of these traits can help determine difficulty level tiers as well.

You did your best. Was I helpful for you?
I am deeply grateful to you.
My maps

I sell moe.

-Garven

Maiz94

1,376 posts

Joined June 2010

Maiz94 2013-04-01T17:09:29+00:00

If by only 7K like example :

Easy + Normal + Hard + Insane + Max

Is it acceptable?

[CSGA]Ar3sgice

4,298 posts

Joined July 2011

[CSGA]Ar3sgice 2013-04-02T00:20:47+00:00

this is too complicated, how could osu! players understand this

Atelier Ryza 3 (AR3)

modding queue | hitsound tool | osumapper

current status: rebooting the world server

Agka

680 posts

Joined January 2009

Agka 2013-04-02T01:11:46+00:00

it's not the players who are supposted to understand this.

but i like it, it's fairly clear what's what if you're into it.

woc2006

409 posts

Joined September 2011

Topic Starter

woc2006 2013-04-02T01:16:44+00:00

ishimaru94 wrote:
If by only 7K like example :

Easy + Normal + Hard + Insane + Max

Is it acceptable?

Sure acceptable, the difference between them is 5.

woc2006

409 posts

Joined September 2011

Topic Starter

woc2006 2013-04-02T01:19:57+00:00

Garven wrote:
Sounds fine to me, though are there specific techniques that are frowned upon depending on difficulty level? Example: sliders ending on 1/2 snap arent okay in east, but okay in normal. Double hits are okay in easy, triple in normal, etc.

Maybe defining some of these traits can help determine difficulty level tiers as well.

It's much complex, I'd like to have another thread to discuss this.

Maiz94

1,376 posts

Joined June 2010

Maiz94 2013-04-02T04:45:23+00:00

woc2006 wrote:
ishimaru94 wrote:
If by only 7K like example :

Easy + Normal + Hard + Insane + Max

Is it acceptable?
Sure acceptable, the difference between them is 5.

Ah, now I understand on how this is works. You already stated that,

woc2006 wrote:
your mapset should be kept under 6(<=6)

This would make the mapset looks arranged in order.

Rumia-

2,533 posts

Joined July 2012

Rumia- 2013-04-02T12:33:40+00:00

i don't quite understand this D: can explain me a little bit details? =\

woc2006

409 posts

Joined September 2011

Topic Starter

woc2006 2013-04-04T12:04:23+00:00

- R u m i a - wrote:
i don't quite understand this D: can explain me a little bit details? =\

That is, when you making a mania mapset, suppose you want to have 2diff, the first one is 7K easy, look at the table, 7K easy = 4, so your second diff's level number should between 4 to 10 in the table, they are: 8K easy, 4K normal to 8K normal.

Rumia-

2,533 posts

Joined July 2012

Rumia- 2013-04-05T06:09:58+00:00

woc2006 wrote:
- R u m i a - wrote:
i don't quite understand this D: can explain me a little bit details? =\
That is, when you making a mania mapset, suppose you want to have 2diff, the first one is 7K easy, look at the table, 7K easy = 4, so your second diff's level number should between 4 to 10 in the table, they are: 8K easy, 4K normal to 8K normal.

oh i see.

xxbidiao

450 posts

Joined November 2008

xxbidiao 2013-04-16T07:50:10+00:00

Don't underestimate 4key!
Key amount is completely not revelant to difficulty. (Usually, at the same difficulty, higher key amount maps would have nearly the same notes as the low key amount maps, making it even easier to be played.)

I prefer to remove the key amount, only considering difficulty.
easy=1 normal=2 hard=3 insane=4 MX=5
and no difficulties gap >=2. (max 1)
e.g. easy+hard+MX = OK
easy+insane = NG
normal+MX = NG
normal+insane+MX=OK
though we may want to put another rule on hard+MX?

Garven wrote:
Sounds fine to me, though are there specific techniques that are frowned upon depending on difficulty level? Example: sliders ending on 1/2 snap arent okay in east, but okay in normal. Double hits are okay in easy, triple in normal, etc.

Maybe defining some of these traits can help determine difficulty level tiers as well.

Mania difficulties are normally not depending on snapping gap; they are mostly decided by the instrument used in the map, and the pattern of the map because of multi-rail playing fashion.
With everything on the 1/1 downbeat, a map is completely possible to be treated as insane, but a map with a few 1/4s may still be able to be ranked as normal.

zanzanktoop

1 post

Joined March 2013

zanzanktoop 2013-04-19T09:44:29+00:00

Garven wrote:
Sounds fine to me, though are there specific techniques that are frowned upon depending on difficulty level? Example: sliders ending on 1/2 snap arent okay in east, but okay in normal. Double hits are okay in easy, triple in normal, etc.

Maybe defining some of these traits can help determine difficulty level tiers as well.

Bobbias

1,447 posts

Joined March 2011

Bobbias 2013-04-27T07:18:52+00:00

xxbidiao wrote:
Don't underestimate 4key!
Key amount is completely not revelant to difficulty. (Usually, at the same difficulty, higher key amount maps would have nearly the same notes as the low key amount maps, making it even easier to be played.)

Mania difficulties are normally not depending on snapping gap; they are mostly decided by the instrument used in the map, and the pattern of the map because of multi-rail playing fashion.
With everything on the 1/1 downbeat, a map is completely possible to be treated as insane, but a map with a few 1/4s may still be able to be ranked as normal.

I agree with your sentiment. 4k should not be underestimated.

Here's something to consider: Switching from 4k to 6k may be easier for many players than 4k to 5k, because the addition of the spacebar is very different from the addition of 2 more standard keys right beside the keys for 4k. In effect, the difference between a 4k easy and a 6k normal might actually be less than this chart suggests.

However, overall I like this idea. Its simple to understand if it's explained properly and it doesn't place too any extreme restrictions on what you can do. It's overall a good guideline.

Looking for mods for my mania map Minori Chihara - Kyoukai no Kanata (TV Size).
Need some tips on how to improve in osu!mania? Try reading our guide and map suggestions!
Need some tips on how to map in osu!mania better? Try reading this guide!
Looking for the o2jam skin I use? This folder has it and a few other o!m skins!
Message me if this link doesn't work, and I will update it.

DJKero

231 posts

Here since the beginning

DJKero 2013-05-11T01:21:22+00:00

This is something I don't see very useful or great, but if you're going to do it no matter what like peppy and the other staff does justified of the democracy that here is very easy to win because of the brainwashed players, just keep in mind that 6k is somehow easier to the standard of the players, than 5k... so i would swap the order, being:

4K 6K 5K 7K 8K

And I don't say to swap 8k (AKA IIDX Mode) to the 3rd place, because its obsiously known that 8k isn't really 8k, It's Scratch/Special + 7k and it's a world aside...

Opinion:
(For me is a mode that only should be fully playable to IIDX controller owners, and Beatmappers should take that in count to the time of making their beatmaps.)

Also, off-topic'ing a bit: when you'll add 9K?? (AKA Pop'n Mode)

This is something I really want to get added, basically because I'll be something we never experienced before, Pop'n Multiplayer Online, this will impulse me to buy a Pop'n ASC more than having Tune Street (19th Style) running in my PC with e-amusement and all the stuff... (Yeah, I have it.)