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This is a feature request. Feature requests can be voted up by supporters.
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boat
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boat
I do find the "Country ranking" to be a great addition and it does what it is supposed to, but there is this issue when it comes to us living in smaller countries with far fewer players. Since for instance Sweden has merely a handful of active players there is very little, and sometimes even nothing at all to compare to. Since the idea behind it is to raise competitively within the circles that don't aim for global top spots, how about adding a new category which lists scores from both your and your nearby countries, as for instance scores from Sweden together with Denmark, Norway and Finnland, and Germany with the Netherlands and Belgium e.t.c

This would clearly make this sort of function far more useful than it currently is for the countries with not as many users, and I can't come up with anything that would make this a major issue.
peppy
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Maybe someone could make a list of which countries should be grouped into regions where necessary, and I can change country ranking to regional ranking.
theowest
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theowest
well we're already grouped together as a forum and in-game channel, having Scandinavia as a region grouping would be great.
VoidnOwO
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boat
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boat
The idea was mainly Scandinavia + Finnland

Maybe the minor balkan countries (Bulgaria, Croatia, Serbia, Romania, Belarus, Slovakia) could go together, as they also got somewhat few active users

I'm not good with Geography, but I will ask around to try and get some input on this.
theowest
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theowest

BRBP wrote:

Please include Finland in your Scandinavian region ;___;
Because technically we do belong in it, and there's really not enough finnish scores to find any use of this system as it is now.
I would prefer it to be just North Germanic countries, but to satisfy all on this, you should be able to pick any combination of countries you want to see, in the options maybe.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
I guess I'm alone in all this =w=. Although I suppose it would be nice to go under US?

Edit: For Guam
VoidnOwO
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theowest
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It's consistent with our #skandinavian channel in-game and our own Skandinavien sub-forum. We already know each other, you have your own language specific community.

but as I said, why not be able to pick whatever countries you want, at least just one country. I hope this feature wouldn't suggest to replace any country with multiple ones.
Dolphin
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Dolphin
Blast the WHOLE skandinavien with my amezen skillz :oops:
peppy
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peppy
I agree to grouping countries which have so few players the country rankings don't hit top 50s. This helps reduce the load of these lookups, actually. A lot. Plus it makes sense and makes it more competitive.
VoidnOwO
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boat
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boat
No need to overreact, both of you. I agree with that Finland fits better in with Scandinavia than with Russia. I don't find the argument of consistency to be enough to leave them out of a feature like this. Both parts got the same issue after all, and you can't say that a tiny detail like this will actually matter.
theowest
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theowest

BRBP wrote:

I honestly don't know anymore, but I think replacing is a lot better.
I sure hope not.

What I mean with the consistency is that many of us are already friends with people from our neighbouring north Germanic country. Finnish ranks are just as relevant to many of us as Portuguese ones.

This shouldn't be defined by region, but let players pick which culture they belong to, which friends they are closest to, not force us to be with people we don't know or want to know. This "one country" ranking must not be replaced with multiple countries, that's a terrible idea. A nearby countries filter is a much better idea, but personally I think it would be best for all to have a Custom countries filter. I'm sure MillhioreF would want this as he lives in America but want to be back in Norway again with his friends.
Saten
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Saten
I agree with theo with just having the North Germanic countries. And it's not only theo who wants it like that.
It's not that complicated really. We already have our Skandinavien sub-forum which includes the North Germanic countries.
314159265358979
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I agree with theowest. The point in giving us a country ranking is too compete with the people that we talk a lot with and that we have a lot in common with, like speaking almost the same language and such. That will be scandinavia on its own. And not so much the fins. (sorry lonely finnish people ;w; )
VoidnOwO
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boat
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boat

BRBP wrote:

No, it's not. Why keep one country ranking that doesn't have enough scores to fill the top 50 for a map? That's what this thread is about.
Not really. For everyone to be satisfied I'd rather have an additional filter for "nearby countries", too. At least that's what the request is.
theowest
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theowest
I don't see a problem with that tbh, it's only a bigger problem on other game modes and for less played maps. It's great if you want to know if you have the best rank in your country, smaller lists are easier to keep a track of.

Now if these are really too small, I don't have a problem moving in with Norway and Denmark, but I would never want to see Finnish ranks. We don't share the same community or in-game chat. You guys have a lot more professional players that us and that would just ruin the chance for many of us to feel good. Your language is more related to the Estonian than our language, why not unite with them?

I'm just going to create my own feature request about picking your own countries to filter: t/124964/

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boat wrote:

BRBP wrote:

No, it's not. Why keep one country ranking that doesn't have enough scores to fill the top 50 for a map? That's what this thread is about.
Not really. For everyone to be satisfied I'd rather have an additional filter for "nearby countries", too. At least that's what the request is.
I agree!
VoidnOwO
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theowest
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theowest

BRBP wrote:

Anyway, estonia's a pretty pointless workaround to this (no offense), since they only have 1000 players with #6 being rank 6,5k. That wouldn't help at all. I'll wait and see what happens.
Sure, but I'm sure it's a benefit for the Estonians. They've got to merge with some country too.
XPJ38
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Haha I already see problems with some countries like Belgium (half as active as Sweden btw). West will tend to go with France while East will tend to go with the Netherlands :lol:

Anyway that's a pretty good idea. It would also perhaps be nice to see player's country next to his name to avoid confusion on player's origin.

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VoidnOwO
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boat
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boat

theowest wrote:

You guys have a lot more professional players that us and that would just ruin the chance for many of us to feel good.
This argument is broken. Global toplists don't do this already?

31415926535897 wrote:

I agree with theowest. The point in giving us a country ranking is too compete with the people that we talk a lot with and that we have a lot in common with, like speaking almost the same language and such. That will be scandinavia on its own. And not so much the fins. (sorry lonely finnish people ;w; )
That's what the "friends ranking" filter is for.

You guys have to get into your head that this is not a replacement of the separate "country ranking". Nearly all of the arguments you've provided as to why Finland should not be coupled with Scandinavia can essentially translate into a mere "because", despite that you will still be able to both filter by the people on your friendslist and in your own country alone.
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XPJ38
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BRBP wrote:

How well would it fit, or do mean similar to how people's avatars are shown in multi? Nice idea though.
That, or a small flag next to the player's name.
VoidnOwO
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silmarilen
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silmarilen
unrelated to scandinavia but related to the request

benelux? or belgium+netherlands?
boat
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boat

BRBP wrote:

I thought it was because of Peppy's comments on both "changing country to region" and "reducing the load on lookups".
I got them confused with your original post. mb.
This is not the feature request I proposed.

Seemingly, #scandinavias massive ego can't handle any competition and they wish to keep your circlejerk the way it is, regardless of benefits.

I give up, can't be arsed with this. Unless anyone who cares comes up with a solution, lock and trash the thread, thanks.
CXu
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I have no idea why they don't want finland in the list lol.
VoidnOwO
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Saten
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It's not that we dislike them or anything, it's just that it would make more sense if Scandinavian was Scandinavian even in that area (Yes, North Germanic languages)

The same way you wanted to merge Finland with Skandi instead of Russia (that you strongly disagreed with yourself) is not that of a valid reason either imo.
VoidnOwO
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theowest
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boat wrote:

theowest wrote:

You guys have a lot more professional players that us and that would just ruin the chance for many of us to feel good.
This argument is broken. Global toplists don't do this already?
Yes, my bad. Silly argument, sorry about that.

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The reason for my request is because people in countries may have a different opinion on which countries they want to see (in case of merged country situation). You will be registered in your own country, but can choose to view other countries, multiple even if there aren't enough ranks. That's basically what I am suggesting in my request.

I just wanted consistency, I personally think Finland doesn't go well together with our countries.
As boat stated, this request will not replace the current country filter, this spawned some much unnecessary discussion...

It's all up to peppy, it seems my topic has more support but this topic is more reasonable. We'll see what happens.

PeteX wrote:

If this happen, many of us would like to have Czech and Slovak country ranking together, it would also make sense since we already share the #czechoslovak channel
SPOILER
That's why we #skandinavians wanted consistency. We share the same chat already, we always done that. We've been merged together for years (all the time). Why would we suddenly include a new foreign country?

^ old counter argument for BRBP why some of us don't want to be with Finland. but of course, you guys want to be with us. And since we can't have both: t/124964 to make everyone happy.
PeteX
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If this happen, many of us would like to have Czech and Slovak country ranking together, it would also make sense since we already share the #czechoslovak channel
VoidnOwO
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GoldenWolf
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silmarilen wrote:

unrelated to scandinavia but related to the request

benelux? or belgium+netherlands?
Definitively benelux
Swatty
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Swatty

PeteX wrote:

If this happen, many of us would like to have Czech and Slovak country ranking together, it would also make sense since we already share the #czechoslovak channel
This, give us Czech and Slovak ranking together please :)
Lanturn
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So just have a Continent-based scoreboard?
North/South America, Europe, Asia and so on.

Pretty much like this list? http://www.worldatlas.com/cntycont.htm

It would make it a lot easier, and I'm sure the eastern countries like Japan/China/Korea would like to have a scoreboard where they can compare just themselves. I'd like the same for Canada/USA/Mexico since I have some people from america/mexico I play with


I do realize this is a bit off topic, but since its similar to the request, I'll post here anyways. Let me know what you guys think.
boat
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boat

Lanturn wrote:

So just have a Continent-based scoreboard?
Issue with this is that it isn't the point of the already existing feature. The goal is competitiveness within smaller circles, and for that the scoreboards would have to be divided into something far smaller than for instance whole of Europe.

Dooms wrote:

Group by language? Make it where players can set their dominant language and just group by that? o_o.
Yeah no, this make even less sense.
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Dooms
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Group by language? Make it where players can set their dominant language and just group by that? o_o.
-libili
-libili
Just bind the countries with less playerss with one of the neighbourland.. that easy is it!

Germany has enough ;) dont wanna get compiled with other countries
Landere
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Landere

silmarilen wrote:

unrelated to scandinavia but related to the request

benelux? or belgium+netherlands?
Benelux I guess.
It wouldn't have to be a problem to add Luxembourg :D
Metro
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Metro
Just in case: Argentina wouldn't want to be grouped with any other country. We get along with Brazil but we're too different and we don't get along with any other SA countries.
boat
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boat

Metro wrote:

Just in case: Argentina wouldn't want to be grouped with any other country. We get along with Brazil but we're too different and we don't get along with any other SA countries.
Argentina should have enough players for this to not be required anyways.
Metro
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Metro

boat wrote:

Metro wrote:

Just in case: Argentina wouldn't want to be grouped with any other country. We get along with Brazil but we're too different and we don't get along with any other SA countries.
Argentina should have enough players for this to not be required anyways.
Cool. Just wanted to make sure.
Cataku
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-libili wrote:

Just bind the countries with less playerss with one of the neighbourland.. that easy is it!

Germany has enough ;) dont wanna get compiled with other countries

That looks like the best solution to me.
I'd love for Ireland to be grouped with someone (though our only neighbour is Britain, but they have enough players to compete with (I hope))
For countries such as Poland, with a /lot/ of great active players, it would only do harm to group them with anyone.

So let's group us smallsies! : D
peppy
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Can someone please sum up proposed mappings in a single post so I can act on this? Ignoring preferences, I'd like to see the largest groupings possible to allow for actual competitive rankings.
boat
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boat
Alright, I'm working on it.

Please refer to this thread to provide your inputs on this p/2438955

In the meantime I would like to know your personal opinion on grouping lesser countries with the major ones, rather than the small ones together but alone. If grouping a lesser one with a major makes sense then I assume that would be the ideal way to go on about it, but I would still like your opinion on the matter.

Thank you in advance.
laport
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laport
Just in case: The Netherlands wouldn't want to be grouped with any other country except for Finland. We get along with Belgium but we're too different (they speak French/Flemming and are roman Catholics, whereas we speak Dutch and are Protestants) and we don't get along with any other EU countries except for Finland.
boat
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boat

laport wrote:

Just in case: The Netherlands wouldn't want to be grouped with any other country except for Finland. We get along with Belgium but we're too different (they speak French/Flemming and are roman Catholics, whereas we speak Dutch and are Protestants) and we don't get along with any other EU countries except for Finland.
If you can get people to vouch in on that then it will be noted down as a majorities opinion. Regardless of what country you supposedly get along with, if there is no ethnic correlation then chances are you will not get merged. Please try to keep to the thread in GD to keep this as clean and tidy as possible, as well to get more peoples views and opinions on it.
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