Hey there!

I have just noticed this new update, and I was shocked.
I've mapped for 2 years or so, and I worked HARD to improve my patterns. I worked HARD to find right X and Y axis for getting my pattern as good as possible.
I went insane to make good sliders, and now I can do nice sliders of every kind, but still not perfect although I've been worked on them for 2 years.
Now I see that newbies can do Perfect patterns, Perfect circled sliders just with a click, and this thing makes me sooo mad.

You can say I'm trying to discuss on something I will never be able to convince you to fix
You can say my map suck
You can say I'm stupid, but I can't stay here and watch.

If someone already pointed this fact let me know before deleting this topic.
Don't have an aggressive attitude toward me, please.
I'm trying to make newbies understand that mapping is great because of satisfaction of improving.
Thanks for reading, waiting for answers/opinions.

Barney

I'm a newbie mapper but can't do perfect sliders/patterns. o.o

You can by clicking compose and creation of polygon circles

Barney Stinson wrote:

You can by clicking compose and creation of polygon circles

I knew this, but never used. I don't even think its useful.

Edit: oh, you meant that option.

I can't understand the point of this topic. It doesn't talk at all about circular slider support; instead your whole post indicates that you are trying to say "I am jealous because newbies can do what I can hardly do after 2 years of mapping" (no offense here, this is what I understood).

You can say I'm trying to discuss on something I will never be able to convince you to fix

What do you want to fix? What are you discussing on?

I'm trying to make newbies understand that mapping is great because of satisfaction of improving.

Er, not really. You didn't talk about the joy of mapping in your whole post

I just want this support to be deleted, 'cause map will be too way similiar.
I'm not jealous 'cause I had satisfactions on improving
I just meant "fun" saying improve, 'cause u have fun when u improve, trust me.

And the invention of the car put a lot of horses and their riders out of work too.

Making pretty round arcs is just the beginning of making better looking maps, and isn't something you should be that proud of, let alone want to hoard. I became pro at making circle sliders and I don't especially feel any loss.
So what? Beginner maps will have circle sliders instead of cruddy beziers. There's much more to mapping than making round sliders.
This feature will save me tons of time and that's reason enough to keep it.

Thanks for answering in a nice way.
Anyway, I think that a beginner doesn't make, at his/her first times, good maps.
So, we will see ugly combos and instantainly a great polygonal pattern, and after other ugly patterns a magnificent circled slider.
I'd propose a short tutorial to get downloaded with an update (or something else, not good at that stuff.) and teach other newbies HOW make a nice slider, inst401ead letting a mapper do awesome circled sliders of perfect polygons by pressing a button. It would be much more constructive, but I can understand if this is not possible.

So what, disable "advanced" mapping features for first-timers? That sounds patronizing and plain wrong.

To be honest, I don't even know where I can find it.
However, I can say that it's not that bad feature that even beginner can do nice-looking sliders. It's really a pain to see awful made sliders and actually how easy they could be made.

but a map can't be good with ugly sliders and 1-2 perfect done ones. that's unnatural. Answering to mm201, I was about to remove this help to EVERYONE, my english may be bad, sorry

Isn't that the purpose of modding? If sliders are that ugly, modders will notify you and even help you making nicer ones.

circular slider is awesome.

our purpose is "making good maps" but not focus on those details which may expend mappers' enthusiasm and inspiration. Editor is aim to reduce mappers repetitions work but not increase.

What ever how smooth a slider made, bad map is bad as always.

Look at those names, Happy30, Shinxyn, NatsumeRin, Val0108...etc... does any of them need to know how to make a perfect shaped slider? No, apparently no. The mapping skill is not focus on these small points.

Yes, detail is important, but don't forget there're many stuff which are much more important details.

butthurt D: why this should be deleted? because one of the thousand mappers tried to do this sliders by myself and wants that others were working too?
i think you must be happy because you mustn't work on this so hard. beginners can do some nice patterns - nice maps. and this circular sliders is sooo rare at the maps so disagree with you

Barney Stinson wrote:

but a map can't be good with ugly sliders and 1-2 perfect done ones. that's unnatural. Answering to mm201, I was about to remove this help to EVERYONE, my english may be bad, sorry

This is horrible reasoning imo. It's essentially telling the beginner, you can either make a pro map with awesome aesthetics, or you can just make crap, and all aesthetics must look bad. Honestly, whether a map has aesthetics or not, it's not about the beauty of the sliders that make a map awesome. Beginners can still make maps that are half decent, but you don't get the feel of awesomeness some of the pro mappers have. Flow, rhythm, and note placement are much more important, which is why I gave up symmetry mapping (along x and y-axis) as a whole long long ago (I still use it rarely, but a whole mapped based on it completely ruins flow completely imo). Complete symmetry throughout a map often ruins flow... A LOT.

Furthermore, there are countless other amazing sliders you can make, not just circular ones. To be quite frank, a circular slider isn't all that amazing. The map is like a community of hit objects that work together to create something awesome. It's how the notes form around each other, how they flow into each other that creates something epic. Some people have commented on this particular map I collabed with Jenny, http://osu.ppy.sh/s/51730 I'm talking specifically about 03:41:639 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,1,1,1,1,2,3) - Now I don't want to sound arrogant in any way, but something like that isn't going to be created by some this single "circular slider tool." It still requires a lot of your own thought and imagination.

Another example would be 03:10:475 (1) - in the map http://osu.ppy.sh/b/172029 Again, I know I'm using my own maps, because it's the easiest thing that come into my mind, but you obviously cannot make a slider like that with these tools lol. It's possible you may think that slider looks ugly, well, that's personal opinion, but I like that slider shape a lot. Preferences is another whole discussion elsewhere.

Thus, my final point, these little tools are to aid mappers, not to discourage them. They, in no way whatsoever, allow beginners to map amazing maps. They are only there to help with aesthetic purposes. The main bulk of the epicness of a map comes from mapper creativity and imagination which comes in practice.

Does it even matter? Everybody should be making polished maps. It's better that we finally have a tool which makes one of the most complicated standard slider shapes trivial to make. The test build got a modification to circle sliders, which also makes it much more simple to create arcs in any orientation. I'm happy for it. It means that I can spend less time making my sliders perfect and more time being creative.

If somebody makes an awful map, then it'll be awful with or without tidy sliders. Adding polish is the first step towards improving in leaps and bounds. I really don't see how better sliders suddenly put a new mapper on par with somebody who's had the time to figure out what feels right and looks interesting.

Besides, if you're still struggling with sliders after two years, then you're in no position to try to put yourself above new mappers. By this point, they should be trivial, save for the occasion when you try something different and it's suddenly awkward for whichever reason. If you're really that good at making maps, then your creativity will not end at how pretty you can make your sliders. Newbies will still have to use the tool properly and this gives those with experience even more of an advantage.

To me, this just seems like it put more work on the modding process when we have to explain why not every map should be using circular sliders.

RE: thread
Remember when 'convert slider to stream' was created? Convenience for common mapping techniques should be much welcomed.

those wrote:

Remember when 'convert slider to stream' was created? Convenience for common mapping techniques should be much welcomed.

I have never used this technique in my life.

winber1 wrote:

I have never used this technique in my life.

i used it in my new map :>

What is this I don't even

I don't get this thing seriously..

Is this thread serious?

peppy wrote:

Is this thread serious?

ikr

understandble. every kind of reactions toward new features could exist when editor is no longer just a tool to you

But, come on dude :3

EDIT: wait, where is my kawai standard bezier

my mind is blown

So what, OP? Do you seriously think we should remove a great feature like this, just because it was harder for you?

Driving from one end to the other in Europe takes a long time, yes. But now there's airplanes. Should we just scrap airplanes because old people will be mad that they had to drive and we can just fly?

You're sounding like someone who's jealous just because newbies can make good sliders now. What's the point? Are you saying that newbies HAVE TO make bad sliders, just because they're newbies?

Bad maps will always stays bad no matter how the sliders look like.

Locking this thread because it seems to be just trolling.