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akrolsmir
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akrolsmir

rust45 wrote:

If you plan on using it on specific statements, it won't work, we found out in D1 that it would cause it to break down and become unusable.
Regardless, I think that even if the risk of "XYZ is the killer" breaking the detector high, the reward is pretty good. Alternatively, we could say "XYZ targeted Index-san", which probably has a better chance of working.

Does LS decide on case-by-case scenario whether a post is ambiguous enough to be detected? I wouldn't think so, there's probably some hidden criteria that would be good to figure out.

List below is to illustrate the PM'd roles as well as current suspicions.
(PM) - Person --> Target - result (other notes)

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(Psychiatrist)- Rantai --> rust45 - No result (cured?)

(Tracker)- akrolsmir --> rust45 - No result

(Vote Thief)- bmin11 --> rust45 - No result

(Cop - What kind?)- pieguy1372 --> foulcoon - No result

(Night Vig)- foulcoon --> animask - No result

(Friendly Neighbor)- rust45 --> Index-San - "Insane response" (Sanity Cop)

(Bus Driver)- animask --> No action (Could be sane)

(Doctor)- Q/Haneii --> --> No action (Could be sane)

(?) - Index-San --> Dead (Roleblocker)
bmin11
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bmin11
I'm not sure where that would take us to. You could always target someone else during N2.

How about "Killer cannot kill it's target"? This could possibly help us to believe one of the person who targetted rust45 could be the killer.
Rantai
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Rantai

rust45 wrote:

The sane person is able to cure the insane people.
As selfish as it sounds, Vote: That

How I see it is, if it confirms my sanity then I can go around and start curing systematically.

I should mention, if I target the actual killer my role will not cure him/her. So if I, by chance, did target him/her I would get a null result back with no way to tell if I was sane or not. With the lie detector I can at least confirm whether or not I'm a dud.
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir

rust45 wrote:

The sane person is able to cure the insane people.
Er... if by "cure" you meant "make them sane and have the ability in their role PM" that clearly didn't happen with rust since he received a result whereas his role shouldn't have had one. I still think animask or Haneii is the best bet in terms of being the sane ones.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
No, by "cure" I meant making them able to use a night action and thus discover what their true role really was. (As it is it seems like no one can do anything at all. :? )
bmin11
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Still not sure since the killer will immediately NK Rantai if we get a positive result from it. It will become a waste and that's what the killer wants I bet
Haneii
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Haneii
Er... if by "cure" you meant "make them sane and have the ability in their role PM" that clearly didn't happen with rust since he received a result whereas his role shouldn't have had one.[/quote]

So Rantai's insane?

That would mean any of the 3 people who targeted rust could have caused his sanity cop action...or rust is the only one - besides the kille/or is the killer (not counting myself and animask atm) - who can perform an action at night (even though it doesn't match his pm role because he's insane).


I don't think I understand specific vs vague criteria for the lie detector. "My ability targets 1 person" or "I protected X last night" seem pretty specific to me.


How about Killer's name contains an "a" for the lie detector

Answer will narrow things down to 4 people and with 3 vials + more days to use the lie detector we'll have a really good chance of finding the killer :)
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
Moreover the chances of getting a positive result aren't very high to begin with so either way it seems like a waste of a detection.

I still want to try "XYZ is the killer/ targeted ABC" just to see if it'll work.
bmin11
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bmin11
also, it doesn't necessarily mean Rantai was the one who cured it. It could be anyone of people who targetted rust45.


EDIT: k nvm ninja'd
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
Double post because you're a ninja.

Haneii wrote:

How about Killer's name contains an "a" for the lie detector

Answer will narrow things down to 4 people and with 3 vials + more days to use the lie detector we'll have a really good chance of finding the killer :)
Binary searching ftw.

I wouldn't mind trying this because it's extremely beneficial should it work (either true or false), even if the chance of it working isn't high either- I think LS wanted us to use it to try to catch people lying.
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
The killer's name contains an "a".
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
You know what let's go for it.
Vote: Above.
Haneii
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Haneii

akrolsmir wrote:

I think LS wanted us to use it to try to catch people lying.
orz

oh right, it's a lie detector. It can't tell if I'm telling to the truth or lying since I don't know who the killer is >_<


unless it will work regardless of that fact (which I doubt)...
Haneii
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Haneii
Lie detector =/= oracle
Haneii
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Haneii
~Going to bed~

If you guys do end up voting on something before I get back can you guys make sure bmin is amongst the first 3 to vote (when sure you want the vote hammered)? I'd like to confirm if he's insane or not.
Haneii
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Haneii
^ forgot to add: And rust shouldn't vote.
bmin11
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bmin11
Actually, I'm not sure if I steal rust45's drug vote or lie detector vote. Never mentioned about it on my Role PM.
Rantai
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Rantai
Hmm you might as well be saying "A, B, C or D is the killer"

Sounds a little too specific.
Rantai
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Rantai

bmin11 wrote:

Still not sure since the killer will immediately NK Rantai if we get a positive result from it. It will become a waste and that's what the killer wants I bet
Oh right. The killer probably has a good idea who he/she is by now. Hmmm.

Unvote - I kind of don't want to know anymore.
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir

Rantai wrote:

Hmm you might as well be saying "A, B, C or D is the killer"

Sounds a little too specific.
Well, isn't it more vague than straight-up "A is the killer"?

Hint: "My ability targets 1 person." Would be vague enough for the detector. Likewise, "I protected X last night." Figure the rest out on your own.
Hm... extrapolating based on this, "A targeted X last night" is more vague than "A protected X last night", and "A, B, or C targeted X last night" is even vaguer, so we could say something like "Player A, B, C, or D targeted Index-san last night" where none of those are rust. Or am I just completely off my rocker?
Rantai
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Rantai
I like that a lot better actually.
foulcoon
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At this point I'm willing to go along with the majority as I'm stumped as far as lie detector posts go. I sort of liked the letter idea, but we don't know if that will work for sure. Nor do we know if akro's idea will work. Perhaps saying "Someone other than rust45 targeted Index-San on Night 1" would work?
bmin11
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bmin11
Someone other than rust45 targeted Index-San on Night 1
bmin11
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bmin11
Double vote the above
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
Sure why not, it'd definitively answer the question of if there is a lying killer out there.

Vote: Someone other than rust45 targeted Index-San on Night 1
Rantai
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Rantai
Vote: What they are

No complaints here.
Haneii
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Haneii
It's a lie detector guys - you need rust to state something like "I did not kill Index"
Haneii
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Haneii
Oh well too late, hammered (if bmin can double vote)

meh

Zzzzzz
rust45
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rust45
I don't think you get the concept of this lie detector. You did look through the topic right, did you see what we used it on in day 1? The lie detector isn't meant to be used to tell if someone is lying or not. It's to find out facts.
rust45
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rust45
Oh yeah, Vote: What they were voting
Haneii
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Haneii
The lie detector isn't meant to detect lies? *mind blown*

Also, why did you vote rust? Why???!!! *rage*
rust45
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rust45
I voted because I'm pretty sure I'm not the killer and I probably wouldn't be able to change their opinion on what to vote for.
Haneii
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Haneii
You ignored my request + voted for something just because everyone else is voting for it (you don't have another reason since you know what the lie detector will answer)?

Fos: Rust (oh how I want to force a vial down your throat right now ^_^)
Haneii
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Haneii
Lol can't sleep :p

If the lie detector breaks down because of that statement can we begin to use the detector to make the game more like a traditional mafia game. ie: we vote for someone to say "I did not perform an action on X" where X would be one of our dead. Basically giving us the same info a lynch would but without killing anyone

If the lie detector doesn't break, then it'll probably work with the letter statement.
Rantai
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Rantai

Haneii wrote:

Fos: Rust (oh how I want to force a vial down your throat right now ^_^)
Let's force it down anyway and observe it's effects.

Hi rust.

On a serious note: That method would probably be way too slow (single person statements), unless we get lucky.
bmin11
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bmin11
It would work since we are only getting a single death per day. After eliminating some branches of possibility, I think it could be a good method.
LadySuburu
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bmin11 wrote:

Someone other than rust45 targeted Index-San on Night 1
Processing....

Processing....

True

With that question answered, the detector powers off. It seems it needs to recharge.
Haneii
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bmin targeted Index!

oh right...lie detector doesn't work that way. Insane lie detector!

Okay, I don't see how this information helps us now - more than one person targeted Index but we don't know who's action actually killed him.

Now what?
rust45
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rust45
It shows my most likely innocence as it shows the PM I got from the mod was likely from targeting Index.
Rantai
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Rantai
Well I think that clears rust45.

So who's our liar then?

In order of suspicion I think -

akrolsmir - How to say, he was holding back on his targeting claims
animask - "didn't do anything", ok sure >.>
Haneii - Only because of Q, not the biggest feeling here.

All gut though.
foulcoon
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Rantai wrote:

Well I think that clears rust45.

So who's our liar then?

In order of suspicion I think -

akrolsmir - How to say, he was holding back on his targeting claims
animask - "didn't do anything", ok sure >.>
Haneii - Only because of Q, not the biggest feeling here.

All gut though.
I agree with akro and Haneii, but not really with animask. I targeted him night one simply because I expected to be insane anyways (8:9 chance). He also winds up being the most suspicious person in every other mafia game so I figured why not? While him not using his night action at all does seem kind of stupid, that seems like typical animask to me.
Haneii
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rust45 wrote:

It shows my most likely innocence
Already knew you were most likely innocent. And the lie detector results don't clear you completely (you neither moved up or down on my fos list :| )

2 days and we don't know anything :/

Can we cure someone?

Thus far we've failed to narrow anything down - use a vial today, come up with better questions in the future to avoid using vials.

Unless you guys would rather wait it out longer...

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Rantai wrote:

In order of suspicion I think -

akrolsmir - How to say, he was holding back on his targeting claims
animask - "didn't do anything", ok sure >.>
Haneii - Only because of Q, not the biggest feeling here.

akrolsmir used to be at the top of my list but his actions are proving to be very pro- town (ie: trying to figure out the quickest way in identifying the killer). I don't really suspect him anymore o.o

I suspect everyone else equally - rust being at the bottom of my fos list :)

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Also, how sure can the killer be that he is the killer? What if more than 2 people targeted Index that night? Some poor person might think they're the killer because they targeted Index, but it could have been the action of someone else that really killed him. And of course, they'd lie about it because they wouldn't want to be "cured"

GUYS JUST TELL THE TRUTH - who knows, (if you are the killer) maybe curing you would change your alignment? And if you die, at least you'll help clear the situation up a bit...maybe >_<.
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This game is hard T_T
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir

Rantai wrote:

akrolsmir - How to say, he was holding back on his targeting claims
animask - "didn't do anything", ok sure >.>
Haneii - Only because of Q, not the biggest feeling here.
I was trying to draw some sort of a reaction out of rust since he revealed the most information day 1, on the off chance he turned out to be the killer. (Looking back it was probably a stupid idea.)

I think animask is actually the least suspicious (right after rust) since he made the claim of having 2 targets on the first day, when no one really has an incentive to lie. I still think he's the sane one as a real bus driver.
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
Can only the killer kill?

I still feel like akrolsmir is suspicious, but not to the point where I would vote to give him a vial.
His logic seems flawed in some ways... I'm not going to say which ways, because I want him to tell me
what he thinks that I think is suspicous about him.
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
Oh and I'm still accepting requests for who wants to be driven.
Haneii
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Haneii

animask wrote:

Oh and I'm still accepting requests for who wants to be driven.

Killer could target the same people you end up choosing and try and frame you.
Haneii
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Haneii
^ what I mean is I don't think its a good idea to make your choices public
rust45
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animask wrote:

Oh and I'm still accepting requests for who wants to be driven.
How will we even know it worked? We won't. It's probably best we don't discuss who we plan to target so the killer can't target the same person and pin it on us.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
I have a good feeling about akrolsmir, but keep in mind that the killer doesn't know he's the killer. Even though he's trying to find the killer, he might be the killer himself and just not know it. :?

We don't know if animask is sane or not, and we'll only know if he does something during the Night round. However, I have a gut feeling that the killer was not one of the people who said they had no action (meaning they said they targeted someone else). >.<

I still have a bad feeling about foulcoon and I have since day 1, hence my night action. That's just a gut feeling though. :cry:
Rantai
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Hmm it seems we're on a different page then.

I'm not a fan of voting on a gut feeling so...

Vote: No meds
foulcoon
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pieguy1372 wrote:

I still have a bad feeling about foulcoon and I have since day 1, hence my night action. That's just a gut feeling though. :cry:
so you had a gut feeling that i was the killer on the day in which we determined via the mod that the killer did not know that they were the killer? I don't really understand.
Rantai
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Rantai
I'm fairly certain he isn't accusing you based on your actions.
bmin11
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Instead of thinking who's suspicious or not, I'm going to write who isn'ts o suspicious

rust45: obvious reason

Q/Haneii: I believe his no action. Q clearly had no time to make his action for the same reason for other forum games he is playing.

foulcoon: He was so certain that he wasn't the killer and just targetted animask. The only reason why he would be so sure is when he's given role was the killer. So, I believe he's role claim and his targetting.


That's all I can think of at the moment. I'm getting way too much WIFOM from the others @_@ this is makin me confusing




Haneii wrote:

GUYS JUST TELL THE TRUTH
Not sure how it would help, but I'll explain my thoughts during N1.
First, I was thinking of targetting Index-San as an test mouse. But, I soon thought "wouldn't it be a waste of NK if I was actually the killer?" (no offense) and changed my target to foulcoon. But I was also worry maybe a sane doctor or even that animask's bus driver might protect foulcoon from being NK. I also didn't want to steal a vote from foulcoon in case I was sane. Same goes to Rantai. So I ended up targetting rust45 who I thought it wouldn't be a huge waste of NK and an ok target to steal a vote from.
Rantai
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Rantai
Ok people, this will probably be my last post for the next 2-3 days. I'm off to Melbourne and most likely won't have any internet.

If you need to replace, do it. If not, see you all on Sunday ^.^
akrolsmir
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bmin11 wrote:

First, I was thinking of targetting Index-San as an test mouse.
And rust45 actually targeted Index-San, and the killer too chose her (him?) How come everyone was targeting Index-san? S/he didn't seem to do anything out of the ordinary day 1...

Vote: No Meds No one's suspicious enough to be worth using up a cure at this point.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
vote no meds

foulcoon wrote:

so you had a gut feeling that i was the killer on the day in which we determined via the mod that the killer did not know that they were the killer? I don't really understand.
I know, but I had a gut feeling about you anyway. I can't explain it >.< It's not like it even mattered in the end, considering my night action didn't work.

Oh great, why didn't I think of this before? We could have lie detected this

The insane players receive no response from their night actions
though I'm not sure that would have worked. :?
foulcoon
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I don't think it would. rust is almost definitely confirmed insane and he got a response from his night action, just not the one he was expecting.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu
The day ends, and everyone decides to go to sleep.

No Cure was used Day 2.

It is now Night 2. Please send all Night actions by Monday at this time, or whenever Rantai gets back. (No less than 24 hours.)
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu
Extended until tomorrow morning/afternoon because the file I needed (and I was absolutely sure I had with me...) I apperently don't have with me.

Someone slap me after this game.
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
GOOGLE DOCS.

Seriously I use that for like everything.
LadySuburu
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akrolsmir wrote:

GOOGLE DOCS.

Seriously I use that for like everything.
I had the file with me in a Zip, then it mysteriously disappeared. Hmm, maybe I'll make that the theme of the next MGM.

bmin11 - Doctor - Killed Night 2.

It is now day 3. With 7 alive, it's 4 to cure or detect.

4 days until deadline.
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bmin11
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Well, good luck guys
Sleep Powder
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We need to start curing already...

Did we get anything useful out of the lie detector yet?
foulcoon
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Not really, which is why we haven't cured yet. Did you use your role last night animask? And anybody else who didn't use their role on night one?
Sleep Powder
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I targetted foulcoon and rust45, but I don't think anything happened.
Rantai
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Uh if it's worth anything, I targeted Haneii last night.

Feel different by any chance? :P
pieguyn
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I checked bmin11, but nothing happened (and if I did, it wouldn't do any good because he's dead :? )... I don't think this makes me the killer though, because I checked foulcoon night 1 and he's still alive. >.<

Say, did anyone target me? It might be possible that another person is telling people to do the killing for them. :?
pieguyn
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Typo fix because I can't edit:

and if I did -> and if it did
rust45
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I targeted Haneii as well, and I once again got a simple PM saying insane back. At least now I know with certainty that I'm not the killer.
foulcoon
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pieguy1372 wrote:

I checked bmin11, but nothing happened (and if I did, it wouldn't do any good because he's dead :? )... I don't think this makes me the killer though, because I checked foulcoon night 1 and he's still alive. >.<

Say, did anyone target me? It might be possible that another person is telling people to do the killing for them. :?
I targeted you, but I don't think your theory is right because i targeted animask on night 1 and animask didn't target anyone and Index-San died.

We should really start considering cure targets, I know that we don't have a lot to go on but its already day 3 and I feel like we haven't gotten any closer to finding out who the killer is =/
pieguyn
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Maybe someone is telling someone to tell someone to do the killing

foulcoon, did anything happen to you night 1? I ask this because I want to know what my role really is.

Anyway, the only reason we don't know anything about the identity of the killer is because we don't even know the exact structure of the game yet. Everyone, except for one person, has a role that is not what they were told, and only found this out after night 1. We still don't know what those roles really are aside from the fact that they all give no response. (So far we've had roleblocker and doctor, and I doubt there are duplicates, though there could be)

If what everyone said is true, me, foulcoon, rust45, and akrosmir are confirmed insane. animask, Rantai, and Haneii might be sane still (but we don't even know anything about what Haneii is or what he did). rust45 is a cop that distinguishes people by sanity, but there are still at least three other roles that have no response. One of them is the killer. Perhaps another one could be a bus driver, which I suspect would make animask insane, and I don't know what the third (or more) one could be. >.<

One thing I should note is that it is confirmed thanks to rust45 that everyone has a constant role. By this I mean, no one's role changes from night to night. This may seem obvious, but everything is a possibility in this game. =_=//

So far we have

Rantai -> Haneii -> nothing
rust45 -> Haneii -> Insane response
pieguy -> bmin11 (now dead) -> nothing
foulcoon -> pieguy -> nothing
animask -> foulcoon and rust -> nothing
akrolsmir -> ?
Haneii -> ?

We need to find out what akrolsmir and Haneii did, and especially Haneii so we can find out if Rantai is actually curing everyone or not. Ultimately, we need to find someone who acted different after night 1 than before night 1, because that person would have just found out they were the killer. (I don't have any gut feelings yet, because I'm still confused as to what's going on. :? )
akrolsmir
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I targeted bmin11, FWIW.

So what we currently know: Someone lied about targeting Index-san day 1. Based on this, candidates for the killer include:

1. Haneii
2. pieguy1372
3. Rantai
4. foulcoon
5. akrolsmir

(leaving off animask because he claimed bus driver day 1 and rust)

We could still do "Somebody with the letter 'a' in their name targeted bmin11", or 'o' if Haneii targeted bmin11. Or try something narrowing down the person who targeted Index-san day 1, instead. Suggestions?

Oh, and rust- could you just confirm that animask is the sane one? Since once we know the sane person's identity we also know that the sanity of everyone else is insane.
pieguyn
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...

vote: cure akrolsmir

I find it odd how he waited to roleclaim on day 2. Plus, the fact that he targeted bmin11 makes it all add up...

I've had a bit of an inkling about him for a while too, but not enough to be called a "gut feeling". >.<
Haneii
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targetted akrolsmir - nothing happened since he didn't mention anything and I didn't get a pm back.

Rantai wrote:

Uh if it's worth anything, I targeted Haneii last night.

Feel different by any chance? :P
Nope ^_^
akrolsmir
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pieguy1372 wrote:

...

vote: cure akrolsmir

I find it odd how he waited to roleclaim on day 2. Plus, the fact that he targeted bmin11 makes it all add up...

I've had a bit of an inkling about him for a while too, but not enough to be called a "gut feeling". >.<
What, so targeting rust day 1 meant nothing at all?
Haneii
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@ pieguy

you targeted him too + you base most of your decisions on "gut feelings"


Also, can we focus on coming up with question for the lie detector first? Something directed to helping us choose who to cure today (we are curing someone today right?)
rust45
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I agree that we should probably go for a cure as I believe we have limited time in this game(?)
pieguyn
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Haneii wrote:

@ pieguy

you targeted him too + you base most of your decisions on "gut feelings"
Yeah, and I should also note that the last game I was in the person I had a gut feeling on since the start was mafia. Though that probably was just luck, and that was a more traditional game... (Also, there is another reason for voting akrolsmir, which is waiting to roleclaim on day 2)

Also, him targeting bmin11 would reinforce it if he was indeed the killer, but just doing that alone doesn't necessarily make him the killer.

akrolsmir wrote:

What, so targeting rust day 1 meant nothing at all?
We already know someone lied about not targeting Index-san... Either way, you're the only one who's really done something suspicious despite this non-traditional setup IMO. :?

I also agree that we need something to lie detect, but since it won't work on specific statements we really can't get that far with it alone. It's too bad we can't test something like
akrolsmir is the killer
Actually, if "I protected X last night." is valid, that might be valid too. I'm not sure because we don't have the complete specifications of the lie detector (or rather, what is vague enough for it to work).
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
I targeted rust45 night 1.
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
Lie detect that if you're so sure I'm the killer. That should work, it's more vague than "I protected X last night" which is confirmed by Lady Suburu.

I think it's a waste of a lie detect but if that's what it'll take to convince you...
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
It's not really a waste of time to use the lie detector unless we detect the wrong statements.

We can still use a vial after the lie detector.

Vote: Cure akrolsmir

My old FoS still stands with you btw
rust45
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rust45
Vote: akrolsmir

It may seem like a bandwagon, but something just doesn't feel right about you.
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
You guys.... at least use the lie detector before you lynch me because you don't get a shot afterwards...

Lady Suburu wrote:

Mod note: When a cure is hammered, the day ends.
So yeah, don't waste the lie detector. Leave me at L-2 if you insist but as it is it's too easy for the killer to hammer.
rust45
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rust45
The killer has an "a" in their username
rust45
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rust45
Vote: Above

I think that's actually a good statement, it's vague and will tell us if we should keep going after akrolsmir.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
Well, I voted akrolsmir in part to create discussion and get information, but all it did was start a bandwagon and now if akrolsmir is not the killer we'll miss a chance to use the lie detector. :?

Unvote: cure akrosmir for now, but I might revote you later

Vote: lie detect this

rust45 wrote:

The killer has an "a" in their username
This essentially splits the playing field in half...but I think it might actually be too specific :?
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
My only issue is that it might not clear me personally since I'd get lynched if Rantai, Animask, or Haneii turn out to be the killer.

Are you sure you'd want to lie detect this anyways?
pieguyn
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pieguyn
Even so, it would result in the fastest way to find the killer (binary search), so I think it's a good idea >.<
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
Vote: Lie Detect

The killer has an "a" in their username
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
If it's true, I'm going to keep my vote for curing akrolsmir. If not, I'm going to unvote. Seems like there isn't really a risk to this.
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir

animask wrote:

Seems like there isn't really a risk to this.
Except, you know, the risk of wrongly lynching me, using up a cure when you all have the option of confirming that I'm not the killer.
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
You know what, I'll just roleclaim now. I'm a rolecop.

I realize this is a bit of a stretch, but I breadcrumbed it into an earlier post knowing I might have to reveal.

akrolsmir wrote:

Random Observation: Ladysuburu's Emphasis, Considering the OP
I found out my true role night 1, after being told rust45's role (which I confirm to be that of a sanity cop) after tracking him. My unwillingness to claim at the beginning was due to wanting to see if I was correct, hence the vague post asking for rust's actions and outcomes. I even hinted that I knew his role beforehand. I was preparing to reveal myself after affirming my own role, when I realized it would be insanely stupid.

So why did I deceive you guys? Because I knew that there's a killer out there and didn't want to get myself nk'd before I could ascertain the identity of enough people or detect the killer. Or find a doctor, but I don't think that there's 2 in here.

I'm claiming right now before the lie detect is used up for the day to give you the opportunity to confirm any of my statements. I would suggest "I targeted rust45 night 1" as proof that the real killer, who targeted Index-san without revealing it, is still out there. That is guaranteed to work since it is more vague than Lady Suburu's sample "I protected X last night." If you come up with something brilliant though, I'd be willing to vote for that instead.

Vote Lie Detect:

akrolsmir wrote:

I targeted rust45 night 1.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
Oh... well, in that case, we have you, me, Rantai, rust, and foulcoon as insane. Either Haneii or animask is sane (we'll never know because we can't tell what their role really does, since it has no response anyway, unless Haneii makes a successful protect).

If what you said is true, this actually clears you from being the killer. It also clears rust. I know I'm not the killer, which leaves either Rantai or foulcoon (or, less likely, Haneii or animask). (Hey, my gut instinct back from day 1 is in there. =_=//)

vote: lie detect
I targeted rust45 night 1.
If this turns out to be true, I definitely recommend that Haneii protects you tonight, because there is a 1/2 chance he's a doctor. Now that this has happened, the person at the top of my list is foulcoon again (back to my gut feeling :? ).
rust45
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Unvote: Cure
I find that the fact that you bread crumbed in that statement good enough proof to at least stop lynching you. But right now I think my statement will help find out the real killer. And your statement is almost as specific as the first one we tried on D1.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
That statement is less specific than the second one here:

Hint: "My ability targets 1 person." Would be vague enough for the detector. Likewise, "I protected X last night." Figure the rest out on your own.
which LadySuburu himself said was valid, so I think it should be fine...

akrolsmir's statement would be a very useful one to check regardless of whether it's true or not (we'd narrow the killer to 3-4 people or 1 person), and IMO there's almost no risk of it breaking the lie detector. >.<
Rantai
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@pieguy - Isn't our doctor dead? bmin was pronounced as a doctor and Haneii was given the role doctor. But bmin was given vote thief so I assume the revealed role is their true role...

Ok akrolsmir that's good enough for me.

We might want to be cautious of confirming if a person is what they say, because they'll almost be guaranteed to be killed tonight. Personally I think going with the 'a' statement will be better because the returned result will give us enough candidates to start throwing vials out without risking a loss.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
Haneii roleclaimed doctor, remember? Since he's one of two possibilities for being sane, he has a 1/2 chance of being doctor. (Though, it's a bit less than 1/2 because it's rather unlikely there'd be 2 doctors in the same game, which means that currently animask has the highest probability of being sane)

Actually, you know what? I think it might be better if we lie detected the "a statement" and then akrolsmir's statement tomorrow... :?
Rantai
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bmin was pronounced as a doctor and Haneii was given the role doctor
I knew that. But yeah I find it extremely unlikely that there will be 2 doctors, so roleclaim or not I highly doubt that she is going to be one. (unless death revealed roles are also bogus)

I agree with the last part; Vote lie detect:

rust45 wrote:

The killer has an "a" in their username
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu
Once a majority of you decided you had a statement to detect, you started up the Lie Detector.

rust45 wrote:

The killer has an "a" in their username
Processing....

Processing....

Bananas.

With that answer, the lie machine shut down. It seems you didn't really get an answer today, and you'll have to wait until tomorrow to use it again.
rust45
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rust45
Well... shit.

Well I guess with that, who would be the best to try to cure today? I'm almost tempted to vote Haneii as she grinds my gears and doesn't seem to helping much.
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