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Mind Game Mafia 2 (Killer Win!)

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pieguyn
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pieguyn
I have a good feeling about akrolsmir, but keep in mind that the killer doesn't know he's the killer. Even though he's trying to find the killer, he might be the killer himself and just not know it. :?

We don't know if animask is sane or not, and we'll only know if he does something during the Night round. However, I have a gut feeling that the killer was not one of the people who said they had no action (meaning they said they targeted someone else). >.<

I still have a bad feeling about foulcoon and I have since day 1, hence my night action. That's just a gut feeling though. :cry:
Rantai
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Hmm it seems we're on a different page then.

I'm not a fan of voting on a gut feeling so...

Vote: No meds
foulcoon
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pieguy1372 wrote:

I still have a bad feeling about foulcoon and I have since day 1, hence my night action. That's just a gut feeling though. :cry:
so you had a gut feeling that i was the killer on the day in which we determined via the mod that the killer did not know that they were the killer? I don't really understand.
Rantai
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Rantai
I'm fairly certain he isn't accusing you based on your actions.
bmin11
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Instead of thinking who's suspicious or not, I'm going to write who isn'ts o suspicious

rust45: obvious reason

Q/Haneii: I believe his no action. Q clearly had no time to make his action for the same reason for other forum games he is playing.

foulcoon: He was so certain that he wasn't the killer and just targetted animask. The only reason why he would be so sure is when he's given role was the killer. So, I believe he's role claim and his targetting.


That's all I can think of at the moment. I'm getting way too much WIFOM from the others @_@ this is makin me confusing




Haneii wrote:

GUYS JUST TELL THE TRUTH
Not sure how it would help, but I'll explain my thoughts during N1.
First, I was thinking of targetting Index-San as an test mouse. But, I soon thought "wouldn't it be a waste of NK if I was actually the killer?" (no offense) and changed my target to foulcoon. But I was also worry maybe a sane doctor or even that animask's bus driver might protect foulcoon from being NK. I also didn't want to steal a vote from foulcoon in case I was sane. Same goes to Rantai. So I ended up targetting rust45 who I thought it wouldn't be a huge waste of NK and an ok target to steal a vote from.
Rantai
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Rantai
Ok people, this will probably be my last post for the next 2-3 days. I'm off to Melbourne and most likely won't have any internet.

If you need to replace, do it. If not, see you all on Sunday ^.^
akrolsmir
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bmin11 wrote:

First, I was thinking of targetting Index-San as an test mouse.
And rust45 actually targeted Index-San, and the killer too chose her (him?) How come everyone was targeting Index-san? S/he didn't seem to do anything out of the ordinary day 1...

Vote: No Meds No one's suspicious enough to be worth using up a cure at this point.
pieguyn
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vote no meds

foulcoon wrote:

so you had a gut feeling that i was the killer on the day in which we determined via the mod that the killer did not know that they were the killer? I don't really understand.
I know, but I had a gut feeling about you anyway. I can't explain it >.< It's not like it even mattered in the end, considering my night action didn't work.

Oh great, why didn't I think of this before? We could have lie detected this

The insane players receive no response from their night actions
though I'm not sure that would have worked. :?
foulcoon
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I don't think it would. rust is almost definitely confirmed insane and he got a response from his night action, just not the one he was expecting.
LadySuburu
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The day ends, and everyone decides to go to sleep.

No Cure was used Day 2.

It is now Night 2. Please send all Night actions by Monday at this time, or whenever Rantai gets back. (No less than 24 hours.)
LadySuburu
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Extended until tomorrow morning/afternoon because the file I needed (and I was absolutely sure I had with me...) I apperently don't have with me.

Someone slap me after this game.
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
GOOGLE DOCS.

Seriously I use that for like everything.
LadySuburu
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akrolsmir wrote:

GOOGLE DOCS.

Seriously I use that for like everything.
I had the file with me in a Zip, then it mysteriously disappeared. Hmm, maybe I'll make that the theme of the next MGM.

bmin11 - Doctor - Killed Night 2.

It is now day 3. With 7 alive, it's 4 to cure or detect.

4 days until deadline.
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bmin11
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Well, good luck guys
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
We need to start curing already...

Did we get anything useful out of the lie detector yet?
foulcoon
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Not really, which is why we haven't cured yet. Did you use your role last night animask? And anybody else who didn't use their role on night one?
Sleep Powder
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I targetted foulcoon and rust45, but I don't think anything happened.
Rantai
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Rantai
Uh if it's worth anything, I targeted Haneii last night.

Feel different by any chance? :P
pieguyn
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I checked bmin11, but nothing happened (and if I did, it wouldn't do any good because he's dead :? )... I don't think this makes me the killer though, because I checked foulcoon night 1 and he's still alive. >.<

Say, did anyone target me? It might be possible that another person is telling people to do the killing for them. :?
pieguyn
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Typo fix because I can't edit:

and if I did -> and if it did
rust45
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I targeted Haneii as well, and I once again got a simple PM saying insane back. At least now I know with certainty that I'm not the killer.
foulcoon
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pieguy1372 wrote:

I checked bmin11, but nothing happened (and if I did, it wouldn't do any good because he's dead :? )... I don't think this makes me the killer though, because I checked foulcoon night 1 and he's still alive. >.<

Say, did anyone target me? It might be possible that another person is telling people to do the killing for them. :?
I targeted you, but I don't think your theory is right because i targeted animask on night 1 and animask didn't target anyone and Index-San died.

We should really start considering cure targets, I know that we don't have a lot to go on but its already day 3 and I feel like we haven't gotten any closer to finding out who the killer is =/
pieguyn
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Maybe someone is telling someone to tell someone to do the killing

foulcoon, did anything happen to you night 1? I ask this because I want to know what my role really is.

Anyway, the only reason we don't know anything about the identity of the killer is because we don't even know the exact structure of the game yet. Everyone, except for one person, has a role that is not what they were told, and only found this out after night 1. We still don't know what those roles really are aside from the fact that they all give no response. (So far we've had roleblocker and doctor, and I doubt there are duplicates, though there could be)

If what everyone said is true, me, foulcoon, rust45, and akrosmir are confirmed insane. animask, Rantai, and Haneii might be sane still (but we don't even know anything about what Haneii is or what he did). rust45 is a cop that distinguishes people by sanity, but there are still at least three other roles that have no response. One of them is the killer. Perhaps another one could be a bus driver, which I suspect would make animask insane, and I don't know what the third (or more) one could be. >.<

One thing I should note is that it is confirmed thanks to rust45 that everyone has a constant role. By this I mean, no one's role changes from night to night. This may seem obvious, but everything is a possibility in this game. =_=//

So far we have

Rantai -> Haneii -> nothing
rust45 -> Haneii -> Insane response
pieguy -> bmin11 (now dead) -> nothing
foulcoon -> pieguy -> nothing
animask -> foulcoon and rust -> nothing
akrolsmir -> ?
Haneii -> ?

We need to find out what akrolsmir and Haneii did, and especially Haneii so we can find out if Rantai is actually curing everyone or not. Ultimately, we need to find someone who acted different after night 1 than before night 1, because that person would have just found out they were the killer. (I don't have any gut feelings yet, because I'm still confused as to what's going on. :? )
akrolsmir
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I targeted bmin11, FWIW.

So what we currently know: Someone lied about targeting Index-san day 1. Based on this, candidates for the killer include:

1. Haneii
2. pieguy1372
3. Rantai
4. foulcoon
5. akrolsmir

(leaving off animask because he claimed bus driver day 1 and rust)

We could still do "Somebody with the letter 'a' in their name targeted bmin11", or 'o' if Haneii targeted bmin11. Or try something narrowing down the person who targeted Index-san day 1, instead. Suggestions?

Oh, and rust- could you just confirm that animask is the sane one? Since once we know the sane person's identity we also know that the sanity of everyone else is insane.
pieguyn
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...

vote: cure akrolsmir

I find it odd how he waited to roleclaim on day 2. Plus, the fact that he targeted bmin11 makes it all add up...

I've had a bit of an inkling about him for a while too, but not enough to be called a "gut feeling". >.<
Haneii
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targetted akrolsmir - nothing happened since he didn't mention anything and I didn't get a pm back.

Rantai wrote:

Uh if it's worth anything, I targeted Haneii last night.

Feel different by any chance? :P
Nope ^_^
akrolsmir
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pieguy1372 wrote:

...

vote: cure akrolsmir

I find it odd how he waited to roleclaim on day 2. Plus, the fact that he targeted bmin11 makes it all add up...

I've had a bit of an inkling about him for a while too, but not enough to be called a "gut feeling". >.<
What, so targeting rust day 1 meant nothing at all?
Haneii
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@ pieguy

you targeted him too + you base most of your decisions on "gut feelings"


Also, can we focus on coming up with question for the lie detector first? Something directed to helping us choose who to cure today (we are curing someone today right?)
rust45
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I agree that we should probably go for a cure as I believe we have limited time in this game(?)
pieguyn
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Haneii wrote:

@ pieguy

you targeted him too + you base most of your decisions on "gut feelings"
Yeah, and I should also note that the last game I was in the person I had a gut feeling on since the start was mafia. Though that probably was just luck, and that was a more traditional game... (Also, there is another reason for voting akrolsmir, which is waiting to roleclaim on day 2)

Also, him targeting bmin11 would reinforce it if he was indeed the killer, but just doing that alone doesn't necessarily make him the killer.

akrolsmir wrote:

What, so targeting rust day 1 meant nothing at all?
We already know someone lied about not targeting Index-san... Either way, you're the only one who's really done something suspicious despite this non-traditional setup IMO. :?

I also agree that we need something to lie detect, but since it won't work on specific statements we really can't get that far with it alone. It's too bad we can't test something like
akrolsmir is the killer
Actually, if "I protected X last night." is valid, that might be valid too. I'm not sure because we don't have the complete specifications of the lie detector (or rather, what is vague enough for it to work).
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
I targeted rust45 night 1.
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
Lie detect that if you're so sure I'm the killer. That should work, it's more vague than "I protected X last night" which is confirmed by Lady Suburu.

I think it's a waste of a lie detect but if that's what it'll take to convince you...
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
It's not really a waste of time to use the lie detector unless we detect the wrong statements.

We can still use a vial after the lie detector.

Vote: Cure akrolsmir

My old FoS still stands with you btw
rust45
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Vote: akrolsmir

It may seem like a bandwagon, but something just doesn't feel right about you.
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
You guys.... at least use the lie detector before you lynch me because you don't get a shot afterwards...

Lady Suburu wrote:

Mod note: When a cure is hammered, the day ends.
So yeah, don't waste the lie detector. Leave me at L-2 if you insist but as it is it's too easy for the killer to hammer.
rust45
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The killer has an "a" in their username
rust45
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Vote: Above

I think that's actually a good statement, it's vague and will tell us if we should keep going after akrolsmir.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
Well, I voted akrolsmir in part to create discussion and get information, but all it did was start a bandwagon and now if akrolsmir is not the killer we'll miss a chance to use the lie detector. :?

Unvote: cure akrosmir for now, but I might revote you later

Vote: lie detect this

rust45 wrote:

The killer has an "a" in their username
This essentially splits the playing field in half...but I think it might actually be too specific :?
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
My only issue is that it might not clear me personally since I'd get lynched if Rantai, Animask, or Haneii turn out to be the killer.

Are you sure you'd want to lie detect this anyways?
pieguyn
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pieguyn
Even so, it would result in the fastest way to find the killer (binary search), so I think it's a good idea >.<
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
Vote: Lie Detect

The killer has an "a" in their username
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
If it's true, I'm going to keep my vote for curing akrolsmir. If not, I'm going to unvote. Seems like there isn't really a risk to this.
akrolsmir
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animask wrote:

Seems like there isn't really a risk to this.
Except, you know, the risk of wrongly lynching me, using up a cure when you all have the option of confirming that I'm not the killer.
akrolsmir
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akrolsmir
You know what, I'll just roleclaim now. I'm a rolecop.

I realize this is a bit of a stretch, but I breadcrumbed it into an earlier post knowing I might have to reveal.

akrolsmir wrote:

Random Observation: Ladysuburu's Emphasis, Considering the OP
I found out my true role night 1, after being told rust45's role (which I confirm to be that of a sanity cop) after tracking him. My unwillingness to claim at the beginning was due to wanting to see if I was correct, hence the vague post asking for rust's actions and outcomes. I even hinted that I knew his role beforehand. I was preparing to reveal myself after affirming my own role, when I realized it would be insanely stupid.

So why did I deceive you guys? Because I knew that there's a killer out there and didn't want to get myself nk'd before I could ascertain the identity of enough people or detect the killer. Or find a doctor, but I don't think that there's 2 in here.

I'm claiming right now before the lie detect is used up for the day to give you the opportunity to confirm any of my statements. I would suggest "I targeted rust45 night 1" as proof that the real killer, who targeted Index-san without revealing it, is still out there. That is guaranteed to work since it is more vague than Lady Suburu's sample "I protected X last night." If you come up with something brilliant though, I'd be willing to vote for that instead.

Vote Lie Detect:

akrolsmir wrote:

I targeted rust45 night 1.
pieguyn
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Oh... well, in that case, we have you, me, Rantai, rust, and foulcoon as insane. Either Haneii or animask is sane (we'll never know because we can't tell what their role really does, since it has no response anyway, unless Haneii makes a successful protect).

If what you said is true, this actually clears you from being the killer. It also clears rust. I know I'm not the killer, which leaves either Rantai or foulcoon (or, less likely, Haneii or animask). (Hey, my gut instinct back from day 1 is in there. =_=//)

vote: lie detect
I targeted rust45 night 1.
If this turns out to be true, I definitely recommend that Haneii protects you tonight, because there is a 1/2 chance he's a doctor. Now that this has happened, the person at the top of my list is foulcoon again (back to my gut feeling :? ).
rust45
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Unvote: Cure
I find that the fact that you bread crumbed in that statement good enough proof to at least stop lynching you. But right now I think my statement will help find out the real killer. And your statement is almost as specific as the first one we tried on D1.
pieguyn
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That statement is less specific than the second one here:

Hint: "My ability targets 1 person." Would be vague enough for the detector. Likewise, "I protected X last night." Figure the rest out on your own.
which LadySuburu himself said was valid, so I think it should be fine...

akrolsmir's statement would be a very useful one to check regardless of whether it's true or not (we'd narrow the killer to 3-4 people or 1 person), and IMO there's almost no risk of it breaking the lie detector. >.<
Rantai
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@pieguy - Isn't our doctor dead? bmin was pronounced as a doctor and Haneii was given the role doctor. But bmin was given vote thief so I assume the revealed role is their true role...

Ok akrolsmir that's good enough for me.

We might want to be cautious of confirming if a person is what they say, because they'll almost be guaranteed to be killed tonight. Personally I think going with the 'a' statement will be better because the returned result will give us enough candidates to start throwing vials out without risking a loss.
pieguyn
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Haneii roleclaimed doctor, remember? Since he's one of two possibilities for being sane, he has a 1/2 chance of being doctor. (Though, it's a bit less than 1/2 because it's rather unlikely there'd be 2 doctors in the same game, which means that currently animask has the highest probability of being sane)

Actually, you know what? I think it might be better if we lie detected the "a statement" and then akrolsmir's statement tomorrow... :?
Rantai
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bmin was pronounced as a doctor and Haneii was given the role doctor
I knew that. But yeah I find it extremely unlikely that there will be 2 doctors, so roleclaim or not I highly doubt that she is going to be one. (unless death revealed roles are also bogus)

I agree with the last part; Vote lie detect:

rust45 wrote:

The killer has an "a" in their username
LadySuburu
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Once a majority of you decided you had a statement to detect, you started up the Lie Detector.

rust45 wrote:

The killer has an "a" in their username
Processing....

Processing....

Bananas.

With that answer, the lie machine shut down. It seems you didn't really get an answer today, and you'll have to wait until tomorrow to use it again.
rust45
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Well... shit.

Well I guess with that, who would be the best to try to cure today? I'm almost tempted to vote Haneii as she grinds my gears and doesn't seem to helping much.
Rantai
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Well, I guess that throws the whole binary searching out the window.

I'm still fine with throwing a vial down Haneii or animask's throats. I'll believe akrolsmir for now.
akrolsmir
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Actually, binary searching might still work if we change the phrasing to "a targeted X last night" instead of "a is the killer"...

Anyways I don't mind lynching someone who isn't confirmed town (rust). I think Haneii's been pretty reasonable so far, though, I'd go with foulcoon who hasn't really done anything.
foulcoon
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I was actually writing a post but I got sidetracked with work.

Sorry I wasn't around to vote statements but it looks like that plan didn't work anyways :S I had a hunch it wouldn't.
As for the drug vote I'm more convinced now that akro isn't the killer (even though I had my sneaking suspcions early Day 2). I'm leaning more towards Haneii or animask at this point.
rust45
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Vote: Haneii

I really feel like she's scum. If she's not, then at least we're a step closer to finding out who is.
Haneii
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How am I more suspicious than everyone else? (lol not akrolsmir though, I'm convinced he's town)

Q/I did not target anyone night 1.

I targeted akrolsmir night 2.

What have I done to deserve such distrust?

What's there to say foulcoon isn't lying? Rantai? animask or rust?

I don't mind being the target of suspicion - besides telling you the truth I have nothing else to defend myself with + I understand why I can't be trusted (The chance I could be lying > my word?).

What I do mind is me being singled out (along with animask) from others for no apparent reason =_=

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Will post soon about who I find most suspicious/ want to cure (so far trying to decide btwn 2 people). Need to read through what I missed once more in case I missed something (quickly read through it to catch up before).
Rantai
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Ahh the poor me arguement.

Vote Vial: Haneii

Wow that comes off extremely rude... D:
Haneii
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IF YOU GUYS WANT TO FEED ME THE VIAL I DON'T CARE - JUST LET ME HAVE MY SAY ABOUT WHO I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO BE CURED TODAY!!!

At least when I'm gone you can consider my views and who knows maybe it'll help



again, please let me finish my post first T_T
Haneii
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^

Incase someone misunderstands/didn't understand that:


Don't be the final vote until after I say one more thing - oh yeah, if that ends up happening last person to vote and silence me might be the killer :P
Haneii
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also, give me some time, trying to catch up on 2 mafia games at the same time D:

Although switching my full attention to this one now XD
Rantai
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At 2 votes, say your fill, you're safe for now ^.^
Haneii
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Well didn't pick up much from the re-read. Although did mess up on one of my target analysis.

The were pieguy and animask.

I thought animask because I just couldn't believe that someone would choose to not use their role/action on day 1 (not curious about role? wouldn't you want to know if you were sane or not right away? wouldn't you want to know if you were the killer so you can start planning your win?). Then I reread the thread from the beginning and saw foulcoon suggested he shouldn't use it...orz >_<. I believe animask would listen and do it for the sake of the town ( killer doesn't know he's the killer at this point).


pieguy - trying too hard to be town/not look like killer(imo) and most of his reasoning have holes in them. He jumps from target to target during the day a little to random/reckless for my tastes.


umm...I guess that's it, lol.

Considering all the suspicion surrounding me, I'll die either Day 3 or Night 3. If you guys don't vote me then that means you're taking my word/trust me to an extent, making me the mostly likely victim for the killer (or not - @Killer: you are no way obliged to prove me wrong :P).

I'd suggest not wasting the vial on me today and use it on someone else, but it's up to you guys.

As for myself:

Vote: pieguy
Haneii
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edit:

Haneii wrote:

I thought animask because I just couldn't believe that someone would choose to not use their role/action on day 1 night 1
Haneii
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Sorry if it's hard to read. Rushed most of it.
Haneii
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Edit:

Vote Vial: pieguy

inb4 new rule on spamming/multiple posting XD



Goodnight~
pieguyn
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Haneii wrote:

pieguy - trying too hard to be town/not look like killer(imo) and most of his reasoning have holes in them. He jumps from target to target during the day a little to random/reckless for my tastes.
How am I trying too hard to be town? :? Also, if it seems like I'm doing that, it's because of the non-traditional nature of this game. It's really hard to figure out who the killer is and the person I find to be most suspicious changes often. >.< Also, voting akrolsmir was, partially, a plan to get more information for the town, I generally wouldn't vote someone so suddenly but we needed more information (and he was the most suspicious one at that point IMO).
Sleep Powder
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Haneii, your posts seemed rush, but at the same time unusual and it seems like you're more flustered than usual.

FoS Haneii

I think the killer knows that they are the killer by now, so we need to use a vial before we are outnumbered---

Oh wait, I just realized there's only 1 killer so... no cure? Someone's getting vial'd today anyways...
foulcoon
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So somebody is going to die anyways so you might as well not vote anybody to save yourself from suspicion? Whatever.

Even though pieguy has been trying to make me out as the killer this whole game by a gut feeling, I don't think he is our killer.

Vote: Haneii

Its going to suck if Haneii turns up town, but won't this confirm animask as the sane one?
akrolsmir
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foulcoon wrote:

Its going to suck if Haneii turns up town, but won't this confirm animask as the sane one?
Theoretically rantai could also be sane, assuming that the psychiatrist has to target the killer and not just anyone. But I think animask is likely to be the sane one anyways...

We could no cure today, but then tomorrow there's only 6 people and then if we cured two days in a row after that and failed to hit properly, we lose (cure kill cure kill and then there's the SK + 1 other person). So essentially today we have a free cure, in the sense that if we don't use it we basically lose it anyways.

On that note, vote: Haneii
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foulcoon wrote:

Its going to suck when Haneii turns up town,
Fixed >w<

Oh well, seems like I'll die today anyways ~

Day 4 - 5 people (because I don't think you'll be able to stop a NK) - 2 vials - no plan....doesn't look too good for town.

I guess you guys can use rust's and akro's roles to help, not sure how. Would have helped if you guys used the vial on someone else though.



ps: I'm town. Honest. Please don't do this.

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Just to get insight on the voting.

@ people who voted for me. Please state why.
Haneii
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Haneii
oh wow akro....you just had to ninja my post - QUICK GUYS ANSWER MY QUESTION BEFORE I'M FED THE VIAL!!! loool

Bye bye town, and good luck, you're going to need o/
LadySuburu
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Topic Starter
LadySuburu

Haneii wrote:

oh wow akro....you just had to ninja my post - QUICK GUYS ANSWER MY QUESTION BEFORE I'M FED THE VIAL!!! loool

Bye bye town, and good luck, you're going to need o/
Evil Voice: TOO LATE MUAHAHAHA!

The pill was fed to Haneii.

Haneii: I see! That's why my protections wouldn't work, Sugar has no effect on bullets at all! I can finally work as a true---

Haneii fell to the ground. Though, it seems the cure wasn't fully effective, as you find some belongings related to cop buisness.

Haneii - Sanity Cop - Killed by the Cure D3.

It is now Night 3, please send all night actions within 24 hours.
LadySuburu
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Topic Starter
LadySuburu
Small oversight, by the way. The last post has been fixed to accurately resemble the situation.
LadySuburu
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Topic Starter
LadySuburu
akrolsmir - Flavor Cop - Killed N3.

It is now Day 4. With 5 alive, it's 3 to cure or detect.

Deadline is in 4 days.
foulcoon
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foulcoon
Haneii confirmed town...

Haneii is sanity cop...

rust has been claiming sanity cop this whole time...?

HoS: rust
pieguyn
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pieguyn
Given that everyone was insane, and akrolsmir, a confirmed rolecop, confirmed he was a sanity cop, I don't think he's the killer. Since there's a lot of insane people, it's likely there were two sanity cops anyway... :?

So...

2. pieguy1372 <- I can't speak for you, but I know I'm not the killer
3. Rantai
4. animask <- confirmed to be sane by process of elimination (bus driver), and thus not the killer
5. foulcoon
6. rust45 <- confirmed to be sanity cop

That leaves Rantai and foulcoon. All we have to do now is lie detect something like "Rantai targeted Index-san night 1, bmin11 night 2, and akrolsmir night 3", and we'll know who it is. If you don't trust me and you want to do something like that on me, go right ahead because I know I'm innocent >.<
rust45
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rust45
I didn't receive a sanity notice during the night this time. And I did target akro, but I would like to say that on night 2 I targeted Haneii and she didn't die that night. I'm pretty sure I'm not the killer. And if I were to take a guess, I was receiving Haneii's results.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
Oh wow, that's weird...

I guess we should start by revealing who we targeted. I targeted Rantai, but nothing happened (as usual). :?

FoS: foulcoon and Rantai, btw. >.<
Rantai
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Rantai
I targeted pieguy and I'm quite certain nothing happened again.

I think I was right about rust being an enabler of some sort. I highly doubt there are 2 of any role.

Also, check me if you think I am the killer, I have nothing to hide.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
rust can't be an enabler o.o remember how akrolsmir checked him and confirmed he was a sanity cop? (Unless I misremembered something)

Also, who wants to lie detect this:

[foulcoon/Rantai/pieguy1372] targeted Index-san night 1
so that we know if foulcoon, Rantai, or me, if you wish is the killer (though I already know I'm not). As I see it we're the only three possibilities (for me, two because I know I didn't do it). :?
Rantai
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Rantai
If you guys trust me enough, I would suggest lie detecting foulcoon. With animask basically the only who could be sane and rust confirmed town that leaves us 3. I know I am not the killer (if you do not believe me, lie detect me then) and out of the other 2 foulcoon has been the quietest/low profile.

If he comes out to have lied, then yeah we have ourselves a killer. If wrong, I am willing to bet pieguy is our killer.
foulcoon
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foulcoon
Alright what do you want me to say? I have nothing to hide. I'm still confused as to how rust is confirmed sanity cop when the sanity cop just died. Do you really think that there would be 2?
foulcoon
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foulcoon
I killed akrolsmir.
foulcoon
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foulcoon

foulcoon wrote:

I killed akrolsmir.
Vote lie detect this
Rantai
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Rantai

foulcoon wrote:

Alright what do you want me to say? I have nothing to hide. I'm still confused as to how rust is confirmed sanity cop when the sanity cop just died. Do you really think that there would be 2?
I was on that thought too, but unless akrolsmir was lying I don't see any other explanation on what rust45 is. As mentioned I think he might have been an enabler and what akrolsmir found was the cop role but it didn't specify which part (ie the cop or the enabler).

Anyway Vote lie detect: what he voted
Rantai
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Rantai
Wait a minute, IF rust45 is indeed an enabler. Index-San may have not been insane.

Unvote

This means animask may not be our sane person. Sorry for jumping to conclusions foulcoon.

(I am mightly confused right now, anyone care to go through and make a clear analysis?)
pieguyn
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Joined May 2009
pieguyn
Oh wow, I completely forgot the possibility that the sane player was dead o.o

foulcoon: akrolsmir, a confirmed rolecop, confirmed him as a sanity cop. He would have no reason to lie. :?

In that case, it just might be animask after all. If we don't lynch, we have enough time left to lie detect 3 players, which is definitely enough because we only have 4 to choose from (if they are all negative, it's the 4th person). So, it looks like this game is won unless there's a catch we missed, which there probably is. owo
foulcoon
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foulcoon
I really think animask is the sane one. I could be wrong but I don't think Index-San was the sane person. The person I'm having the most trouble trusting right now is rust.
foulcoon
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foulcoon
akro was on a role cop, but a flavor cop.

this is from the mafia scum wiki:

A Flavor Cop is an investigative role that is returned a piece of information (often taking the form of an object) pertaining to the flavor of its target's role. The types of objects and the form of information vary substantially based on the theme of the game. These results tend to force players to deduce what the target's role is likely to be and are often used for verifying claims.

Flavor Cop is distinguished from Thief in that it does not TAKE anything from its target (though in practice many moderators use Thief and Flavor Cop interchangeably).

Flavor Cop is distinguished from Gunsmith and its ilk in that it does not receive a binary "Guilty/Not Guilty" (or equivalent) result.

Flavor Cop is distinguished from Role Cop in that its result is ambiguous.

Flavor Cops are usually pro-Town.
So who's to say that what akro deduced was 100% correct? I really don't believe that there would be two of the same role in this game. If I'm wrong then I guess I've fucked up and you can choose to cure me tomorrow, yet at that point it will probably be game over.
foulcoon
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foulcoon
akro was not a role cop


is what that was supposed to say at the beginning...
pieguyn
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pieguyn
Oh... well, either way, is it just a coincidence that rust's claim matched what akrolsmir said he was? Because of this, I think rust45 is not the killer. :?
Rantai
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Rantai
Ugh, let's get some opinions from rust and animask.
rust45
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Joined May 2009
rust45
After this turn of events, I'm sure that the reason I was getting those results was because I was the enabler, and I'm am sure that the killer would not be the one to receive the results. I'm also 100% sure that I'm not the killer as my night 2 target did not die. And if animask really is the bus driver and assuming everyone was telling the truth, foulcoon's target did not die either.
rust45
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rust45
I did not target the victim of night 2.
rust45
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rust45
Vote: above
Rantai
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Rantai
I think that is a bit of a waste... at least I don't believe you are the killer.

I'm more interested in animask.

I actually want to know if animask targeted anyone night 1.
Sleep Powder
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Joined October 2008
Sleep Powder
So far, I know that my role doesn't kill anyone. I also have no idea what it actually does yet. (No Forum PM response.)

Based on what everyone is saying (since I got nothing...), rust does seem to be suspicious, BUT foulcoon seemed to have been
the first to mention losing. Why did he focus on him being lynched and us losing the game? Also, you probably know that the things
you want lie detected won't go through. Saying "who killed who" would make it too obvious to find the killer.

What I need right now is a list of night actions from everyone who is stilll alive. (I just want everything organized and easy to read.)

animask
N1: None
N2: foulcoon & rust45
N3: None

Also, I'm planning on using my bus driver role tonight since I have a pretty good idea who the killer might be. Obviously I want to use WIFOM towards the killer. I should've tried to clarify my sanity more by telling someone to target one of my targets. Then, we see if the switch actually happened.
foulcoon
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foulcoon
The only reason I mentioned us losing is if you lynch the wrong person, and then one of us gets night killed the game is pretty much over.
pieguyn
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Joined May 2009
pieguyn
Coming up!

Rantai:

N1 - rust45 - no result
N2 - Haneii - no result
N3 - pieguy - no result

foulcoon:

N1 - animask - no result
N2 - pieguy1372 - no result
N3 - ?

animask:

N1 - no one
N2 - foulcoon & rust45 no result
N3 - no one

rust45:

N1 - Index-san Insane response (dead)
N2 - Haneii - Insane response
N3 - ?

me:

N1 - foulcoon - no result
N2 - bmin11 - no result (dead)
N3 - Rantai - no result

If rust was an enabler, how could he get an insane response, anyway? :?
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