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Eternal Sonata was only an impulse purchase due to how the graphics looked (first of its kind on the western PS market anyhow) but besides the initial couple of hours playing it, not too much else is done with it besides collecting dust.

The only tactical RPG(s) I have thoroughly enjoyed would have to be Disgaea 2: Dark Hero Days (prefer it still above the first and third) and Final Fantasy VIII.

Seibei4211 wrote:

Since Red Dead Redemption is so boring, and I mean so fucking boring,
I shunned away from Red Dead Redemption as being another over-hyped game that wouldn't deliver and/or be a one-time playthrough, in the end it seemed like it was the right choice.
Anyone remember how hyped up Kane & Lynch was and look what happened in the end there.

For me a big thing is replayability, was it actually worth the $100-110?
This from an Australian game price, go figure the reason I resorted to importing so many of my games.

Of course, if I actually enjoy the game on the first run is another big issue.

Oh how I miss the days of games being released as complete packages and not requiring you to either patch up what shouldn't have needed it or having to buy parts of the game which should have been standard.


As a side note, anyone else getting a Playstation Vita? (Shit name, should've just been left as NGP which sounded better)
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I liked RDR. I really like the engine it's on, so yeah.
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Yeah, I found a way to take away the only fun I was having in the game. Going out into the wilderness and hunting animals is kind of fun every now and then, but I only did that to slowly make money. Then I found out you can do this one mini-game over and over again and get ridiculous amounts of cash really fast. And the mini-game is just pressing a button combination really fast and the combination never changes. The only thing I like about RDR so far is the main character. He's just a cool dude.

But anyway, yeah, I only got RDR cause I got it for $27 and I have the opportunity to get my money back if it sucks, which I will do. Oh, and I probably won't get a Vita unless they come out with something fantastic. So far the only good games for it are spin-offs of console games, which is basically what the PSP did a lot.
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400 hours is for completionists on each game, btw

Disgaea 1 you can do in 40 hours, but might take 80 if you need to learn the system and figure out how to optimize character building. That's really what the Disgaea series is all about; building your character's stats. Unlike other games such as FFT/Tactics Ogre which try to throw in tricky terrain and weather conditions, Disgaea's main game is "make characters super strong, then obliterate everything". There isn't really a focus on strategy until you hit the land of carnage or dark world (the dark world is interesting because it turns some levels into a puzzle game instead of an SRPG)

I was reluctant to get into SRPGs because I wasn't big on FFT but I sure was glad I gave it a try. Best RPG franchise ever.
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So I finally did a co-op playthrough last night. We almost got fucked in the graveyard in level 7 because we didn't realize for about 5 minutes that we had to kill the four Mouths. Even after we did, it wasn't until, like, level 9 that we finally realized what Mouths even did. Jeez...
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I think from now on everyone who makes a comment about a game should specify what game they're talking about. This thread has been difficult to follow for a very long time.
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Talking about Dead Nation. Yeah the last checkpoint in the Graveyard is kind of a bitch, unless you have flares and shotguns. Throw a flare and shotgun the walls then shotgun the mouths. Then switch to SMG, mow everything down, rinse and repeat. Or, if you have the Launcher, blow the fuck out of the walls.

Or, if you're on multiplayer, have one person crowd control while the other deals with the mouths. Since multiplayer isn't any harder than single player. It's literally just two people in a single player game.
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It was easy once we realized what we were supposed to do. By the time we figured it out, we had wasted all of our good ammo and just about every single throwable item. Then my buddy died after we killed the last mouth and I had to do the rest myself. By the way, I hate it when Jumpers come out of the sky and don't even give you a chance to dodge.
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Yeah, the later levels throw quite the amount of dick moves at you.

Anyway, beat the game with my friend the other day, I died in the middle of the last section and my friend just mowed down everything while I watched. Also, the Shocker is way OP.
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Seibei4211 wrote:

It was easy once we realized what we were supposed to do. By the time we figured it out, we had wasted all of our good ammo and just about every single throwable item. Then my buddy died after we killed the last mouth and I had to do the rest myself. By the way, I hate it when Jumpers come out of the sky and don't even give you a chance to dodge.
HATE that. Especially when it takes 1400x off your combo multiplier
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1400?! I didn't know people were that good, the most my friend and I got to was 300 or maybe a tad higher. Course, we kinda sucked, but still, we thought 300 was high when we were playing.
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The most I got was high 600s. Then one or both of us would catch ourselves on fire, usually because of a bad Rush, flamethrower, or Molotov (or rather, moe-low-tove), and send it down to 1. It's ridiculous how much that drains your multiplier.
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awp wrote:

400 hours is for completionists on each game, btw

Disgaea 1 you can do in 40 hours, but might take 80 if you need to learn the system and figure out how to optimize character building. That's really what the Disgaea series is all about; building your character's stats. Unlike other games such as FFT/Tactics Ogre which try to throw in tricky terrain and weather conditions, Disgaea's main game is "make characters super strong, then obliterate everything". There isn't really a focus on strategy until you hit the land of carnage or dark world (the dark world is interesting because it turns some levels into a puzzle game instead of an SRPG)

I'm still stuck on a level in the Dark world in Disgaea 2. It's one of them where there's a single enemy prinny in a disconnected area of land, and you have no-pickup/throw + no special + no attack geopanels everywhere.

Makes me sad; especially since the dark sun has an insta-game over on like the 7th turn (which isn't really that bad, but still)

So far I've spent about 100 hours on Dark Hero Days (lv2000thief (YEAAAAAAAAH)), and I spent a couple of hundred hours on Disgaea DS. I want to get around to finishing the PSP version, if only for the dialogue/voice acting.

I've got Disgaea 3 but haven't had much opportunity to play it, as I don't currently have a PS3. Oh irony.
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Play on Normal or Braindead, and max your rifle out asap. It's very easy. The highest combo I ever had was 7 or 8 thousand. But the hits you take to your multiplier are percentage based, so the higher your combo, the more you lose. A simple weak-zombie scratch starts taking off like 200x

I'm rushing through the game on Normal for kicks (playing the game just for the hell of it, rather than trying to get all loot, or no damage, or whatever) is so much fun. I'd say the achievements actually ruin the experience if you have the need to collect them (I do) but fortunately that's only 1 or 2 slow-paced runs through the game. Just not giving a fuck what happens makes the game WAY more fun.

After maxing the rifle, I'd work on the machine gun and the shotgun at a ratio of 2:1. Once those are upgraded to the max (give or take clip and max ammo - level those up, but don't bother with the last couple upgrades until down the road) start saving your money for the Shocker. The Shocker is shit for special infected, but is unrivalled at taking out all manner of zombie (weak, fat, military...the works). You can take out a crowd of 40 military infected in about four seconds with the shocker. With the rifle, that's 320 bullets. That's like 2 or 3 minutes of shooting. The shocker just tears them in half.
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Man, I thought RDR was super boring and I hated the game, right? I just finished a playthrough of Dungeon Siege III and I thought that was super boring, too. But for some reason, I totally loved DS3. It doesn't make any sense.
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So any of you guys played the Uncharted 3 beta?

Honestly, something just felt off about the whole thing to me. The climbing felt buggy, the combat felt slow, and fist cuffs never worked. I remember played Uncharted 2 multi and thought it was a blast, but the beta just wasn't.
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I'm leaving it up to a full-game trial if the Playstation Network and my Playstation Plus membership allow it before I make my full purchase...
I've had too many games which were supposed to just be 'beta' but turned out to be exactly the same in full release.state, which pisses me off greatly considering there have been too many games I've had some amount of hope for with the premise of being something fun only to complete back-flip and turn out to be horrible.

A nice example of this would have to be Haze.
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Well it's a good thing I don't care about MP then. I'm glad they're saving the awesome for stuff that really matters.
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Seibei4211 wrote:

I just finished a playthrough of Dungeon Siege III and I thought that was super boring, too. But for some reason, I totally loved DS3. It doesn't make any sense.
Dungeon Siege is a Kill-Shit-Get-Loot game, in the vein of Champions of Norrath, Diablo, and Torchlight. Those games are dreadful to watch, monotonous in their description, and lackluster in their presentation. But where they get you is in the sharp gameplay. Those games are designed to be addicting, and the opportunity for reward is constantly present.

I love KSGL games
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Yeah, but this game is even pretty weak from a KSGL standpoint. Like, you get loot a lot, but most of it is crap and it's not fun sifting through the crap and selling it back. And then like, there's not a lot of oh-my-God-totally-awesome stuff cause it's all designed to be in tiers and stuff so the stats are equal, but put into different categories and stuff. Like minus 10 attack, plus 10 will. And even when you think you're super buffed up and shit, there's not a lot of difference, except with obvious changes like your health and crit percentage. It's hard for me to play that game for more than an hour or two at a time since you have to spend so much time looking at stats and seeing if anything's better and stuff.

And yet, despite all of that, I still love it. It's just a fucking conundrum.
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Do you guys want to know the true definition of insanity? It's the state of mind you're in after playing the second-to-last level of Joe Danger 297 times without beating it. This game is awesome, but holy shit, everyone involved with this game needs to be shot for making it so hard to get 100%

Update: I am the fucking Chosen One. Joe Danger 100%. I kinda wish I had done it on my main account though. Would've been nice. Oh well.
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Update: I am the fucking Chosen One. Joe Danger 100%. I kinda wish I had done it on my main account though. Would've been nice. Oh well.
This is the reason why I have my PS3 automatically log in to my main (Australian) account at all times, since there's nothing worse than a 100% completion occurring on anything bar your main account unless you want to do all the hard work yet again.
But then that'd just make you out to be a masochist especially on some of the harder/longer games to platinum trophy get.
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No, I specifically chose to play Joe Danger on my alt account because that's what it's for. I knew Joe Danger would be hard, so I didn't want to force myself to get 100% if I didn't want to. I had no way of knowing that I would get so determined to get 100% in that game. I've actually got 2 plats on an account that's not supposed to have any. And I've almost got a 3rd as well. It's like, it's still my account, and I still got the trophy, so that's good enough for me.
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ampzz wrote:

Seibei4211 wrote:

But then that'd just make you out to be a masochist especially on some of the harder/longer games to platinum trophy get.
100% Megaman 10 /flex
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Yeah, that is pretty impressive. Although I do have the Lost Planet 2 Platinum, which is, without a doubt, impossible to get anymore.
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Started playing Prototype again. That game is fun.
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Unless you're trying to get the Plat. Then it's infuriating. I hecka liked going into military bases and stealth killing everyone I possibly could. Like, they are the worst soldiers ever.

Anyway, I sure am glad I was able to get Wipeout HD as well, cause that game is pretty fun. I'm not much of a racing game guy, but I like this one. At least I like it more than I liked Super Stardust HD.
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I found the plat easy, but hated getting the sphere things. Unless you're marking them from the getgo, you're stuck with one left and a lot of frustration.
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I liked getting the collectibles, but Platting the events was annoying and doing the game on Hard was just lame at times.
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Final boss on Hard. I remember that being a nightmare. Difficult + timed.
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Yeah, he sucked dick. Like he was hard enough just by himself, but then you get that strict time limit and it's ridiculous. And if you accidentally blew up the helicopters in the first half of the fight, you weren't gonna get him on your first try at all. Also, that Elizabeth fight was so stupid. It took a stupid long time to kill her and you had to fight off an endless supply of hunters.
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You jerks talking shit about Eternal Sonata need to back off, okay. Such a good battle system; it more than made up for the mediocrity of the storyline.

Also the optional dungeon was fun. And Claves owns. Look, just fuck you guys okay.
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Wow. I'm so glad I was able to get Wipeout HD in addition to Super Stardust HD, because I would've made the completely wrong decision if I had just gotten Stardust. I spent more time and had more fun with Wipeout than I usually have with most of the $60 games I get.

But anyway, I saw this thing for Nightmare House 2, which is a mod using Half-Life 2: Episode 2. I really wanted to play that, so I just bought the Orange Box for Steam. This way I can finally play the first Portal as well. And I guess, if I wanted to, I could play Half-Life 2 or something.

Also, I tried that Elton John song in Rock Band 3, awp, and holy shit, that got pretty ridiculous about 15 seconds into it.
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Wipeout HD was one of the titles I was eagerly awaiting for release on the PSN the moment I found out it wouldn't be a disc-based release which was a let-down due to not having a way to get items off the store back then but nonetheless it was well worth the wait I had to endure.
It's also one of the only games I actually enjoy using the Sixaxis controls to go through in, even in the Phantom class races.

Needless to say Wipeout has always been one of my favourite Playstation titles, namely due to Wipeout 2097 being my first Playstation game but of course this is a non biased opinion on the product.

Cannot wait to see what Wipeout 2048 on the Vita will handle like, seems promising on the amount of extra ships and (thus far) listed tracks as a few seem to be renditions of older tracks.

Super Stardust HD was boring as heck, felt I wasted my money on it but I also got Dead Nation (fairly fun) at the time for free due to PS+ subscription.
I still enjoy all the PSOne titles even today, especially Crash Bandicoot.
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Am I the only one here who really enjoyed Stardust? I even got the DLC for it (which seemed like a rip off since Wipeout got it's DLC with it when you got it free) and I find it so fun trying to avoid all the crap that gets thrown at you.

Although, Dead Nation was amazing to play with a friend (Something Stardust couldn't do) and added help for the more challenging parts.
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rust45 wrote:

Although, Dead Nation was amazing to play with a friend
I have not done this yet. Anyone feel like blasting through Normal some time? I've played all five difficulties and found Normal to be the most entertaining.
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Nier status messages.
I get the feeling there's one or two missing.
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awp wrote:

rust45 wrote:

Although, Dead Nation was amazing to play with a friend
I have not done this yet. Anyone feel like blasting through Normal some time? I've played all five difficulties and found Normal to be the most entertaining.
Sure, I'd just have to redownload and install it again.

Oh the joys or the original 60GB PS3 and many Playstation Network downloads...
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Just beat inFamous 2 (shortly after the first one) and I have to say it was pretty enjoyable. The only problem I have is that some of the powers aren't as sweet as the powers in the first one. Chain lightning anyone?

Oh yeah, did anyone else notice that Cole's feet kinda look like cow feet? There's an odd indent at the tip of his shoe's.
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So for the first time ever, I actually have been playing Half-Life 2 on Steam. I always thought it'd suck because the first one really sucked, but this game is surprisingly fun despite being 7 years old. I mean, I don't think I need to tell anyone that it's a good game, but it's just that I've finally been convinced of that. I still think it's a little bit overhyped, but whatever. It was probably the shit when it first came out.
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Every time I get a new machine I play through Half Life 2. It was amazing for its time, and it's still great for the present. Largely because it isn't a cover-based shooter.
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I like it because it's quite varied for an FPS. It's not just room after room of enemies and crap. Like there's some physics-based puzzle shit and that's cool. But like, you've got that whole section with the riverboat and that was really fun, then you've got that sort of zombie level, and now I'm doing the dune buggy level and that's been pretty fun, especially when you have to shoot down the gunships. I kinda wish there was more suit power around, but whatever, no biggie. I think this game would probably suck a lot more on the console. Like, I love consoles, but I don't know how I could do this game on one. Just makes it easier to shoot guys from farther away, which is really good since I can't zoom and shoot.
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Have fun with the crane (in the buggy section)

veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeepow



The bridge part is really neat too. It always gives my stomach a sick feeling. Like vertigo, or something.
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Yeah, I already did the crane part. Or at least the crane part where you lower the bride and pull your car up. I kinda hated how the magnet swung around whenever you moved it, so you'd usually have to wait for it to stop swinging if you needed to be precise. But whatever. I'm at the part just after picking up the crossbow and I took down the energy wall there. Also, I've been doing the achievements in this game for kicks and there's one for destroying 6 gunships, and I've taken down 2, the one at New Little Odessa and the one along the highway, but the game decided to only credit me for one of those kills. Lame.
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Try the crane part in Synergy. Goooooooood times.
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Also I don't want to spoil it (and nobody else will either) but the last part of the game is also a ton of fun. It pretty much takes what you've been wanting to do the whole game (in my case) and lets you do it.
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You were right about that bridge part, awp. There were a couple of parts where I had to kind of drop a little ways onto a catwalk and it was like, "OH GEEZ." That was a cool little section.
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God damn, guys. Half-Life 2 has some of the best music I've ever heard in a video game. That ending credits song really did it for me.
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I finally beat the Half-Life 2 series, so I went down and got Eternal Sonata. I have to agree with Ival, this game is pretty sweet so far. The English voice acting is a little bit terrible, but the combat is really sweet.
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So yeah. I have a PS3 now, kinda. I guess I'll play through Disgaea3, now that I have the opportunity.
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Seibei4211 wrote:

I finally beat the Half-Life 2 series, so I went down and got Eternal Sonata. I have to agree with Ival, this game is pretty sweet so far. The English voice acting is a little bit terrible, but the combat is really sweet.
The combat only gets better, so you're in for a real treat.
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Yeah, I wanna unlock counterattacks and the second set of special attacks. I'm not gonna be happy about my infinite tactical time going away though. And losing a second on my action gauge is gonna suck.

Azure, do you have a PSN name yet?
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My PSN's AK0alaB3ar .

The multiplayer games that I have that I can remember at the moment are:
Call of Duty MW1+2+Black ops, Borderlands+all DLC, Bioshock 2, Rainbow 6 Vegas 2
Blazblue Continuum shift, Tekken 6
Little big planet, Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2,
Gran Turismo 5, Dead Nation,

If I have more, I probably let a friend borrow it/them. The rest are single player games.
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Damn, it seems like you're putting a lot of hours into Eternal Sonata, Selphie. I demand a status update, because I think just seeing you playing it on my list is going to make me find my disc and finish Encore Mode.
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Well, I just started chapter 5 and I can do counterattacks and Harmony Chains now, so those are cool. Counterattacks are cool if you can actually pull them off. Jazz is the best character in the game, so I'm just waiting to get him back. Viola is overpowered and awesome as well. Salsa and March are kinda cool, but they die way too fast. And Claves is the most useless RPG character I've encounted...probably ever. I mean, as far as combat is concerned.

Anyway, FUCK FUGUE. That guy was a baaaastarrrrrrd. I've never seen such a cheap enemy in this game. That was such a difficulty spike and it made me waste so many Angel Trumpets. And you have to fight him with some of the most killable party members in the game. Ugh.

But yeah, I haven't actually put that many hours into it. I tend to play it for a little bit, then pause it for a couple of hours while I do other stuff, then play it some more. The fights are kind of draining and the story isn't really pulling me along, so I don't play for too long at a time. Also, is it just me, or is Fred a pedophile? He's always hanging around the underaged ones more than the adults.

Edit: Oh yeah, and after the holiday rush of games, I'm probably gonna get Star Ocean 4. I was gonna get it instead of Eternal Sonata, but they didn't have it for once.
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Star Ocean 4 is awful, make sure you finish Eternal Sonata first.

March is actually really, really good. If you get a good pair of chakrams for her, you should give her a whirl. I know her voice is a little annoying but seriously, she owns. She racks up chains like nobody's business. Though I think that might be me remembering an effect from a specific chakram. Falsetto also owns and is easily my favorite character.

Viola is way fuckin' overpowered though, especially if you can aim her shots across the map. Seriously, her damage output is criminal. My goto boss strategy for like the whole game is send Viola across the map and spam arrow shots into the boss's back or weak spot, whatever.

I think the worst parts of the game is during the parts when everyone is split up and you can't use the party you like. I like the combat system a lot but using characters I don't particularly care for (Beat) is really irritating. Though, by the end of the game, I felt comfortable with pretty much everyone (except Beat).
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No, I do use March, mostly because it's one of those split sections you're talking about, but the only thing that bugs me is her attack style. I like how Salsa's attacks are more smooth and consistent. But I like that March can get a nice echo amount from her specials. And I rather don't mind Beat mainly because he can get about 12-16 echoes with very little effort and his long distance specials are decent. I'm not crazy about Falsetto. She's near the bottom of my list at the moment. I like some of her specials, but she doesn't have enough health and doesn't get quite enough echoes. Also, I base a lot of my preference on whether or not the character has really awesome-looking specials, and Jazz has my favorite of anyone's so far. I love how he treats that sword like a twig and gets a ridiculous hit radius. He can almost hit dudes behind him. It's crazy.

And yeah, I'm mostly looking at Star Ocean 4 because I know it has a fucking retarded Plat, so I wanna see how close I can get to that before giving up.
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Falsetto gets a gauntlet later that doubles her combo count when she strikes, so each hit is worth 2 hits. Coupled with her insanely fast attack speed and movement speed, she just sort of puts mobs in a blender. Also like all of her good skills cause some sort of knockback/knockdown which is great for reducing the brunt of the next enemy's onslaught. Also Snow Claw looks awesome.

"If you strike a stone, rocks are scattered. If you strike a person, the soul is scattered. Death to both!"

God, Falsetto owns.
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That would be pretty good. I still like Jazz for his ability to easily hit two enemies at once and getting two hits per strike. We'll see how awesome she is with those gloves though. I hate waiting until the end of a game for a character to stop sucking though. Apparently Claves is really good when you get her back, but at that point, who cares?
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There are a lot of good gauntlets on the way there, too. I think there's one that increases action gauge when you hit an enemy as well, so she gets to throw in a few more punches each round. Also a couple that slow an enemy while attacking.
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Dude, Retto's best weapon sounds so good. 100% crit rate and action gauge increases with hits? Awesome. Actually, that second effect is so subtle that I don't even bother with it. I've got a Pocket Watch that does that and I put it on Salsa, but it barely did anything. Falsetto's weapon really is probably one of the best weapons though. I can't wait to get an accessory that lets me do that so I can put it on March.
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Oh my God, Ival, do you have any expert advice on actually succeeding in a counterattack? I know I can only counter the first attack of an enemy's turn, but it's so random when they'll ACTUALLY let me counterattack. I can't predict it, so I can't be fast enough to counterattack. I've pulled it off once and that was pure luck. I'm thinking I'll just stop trying forever because the payoff isn't big enough.
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Well, the counterattack sound is usually what I focus on. If you're in a situation where you'll die if you don't guard, just don't even bother with the counterattack. Not sure if you're at the point where your buttons start getting randomized after every enemy action yet; I can't remember which party level that's at.

The payoff is pretty huge, but the risk is about just as high.There are plenty of monsters that can easily wipe out a character in a single assault, and if that character's already damaged it can probably be done through their guard. Completely cancelling an enemies' attack and getting a free quick turn is really nice. Especially when you're dealing with asshole bosses. I think the more you get used to it, you'll find you actually have a bit of time to decide between counter and guard. Of course, it requires you to be very familiar with boss timings as well. I wouldn't even fathom counterattacks unless I know the timing of the enemies' attack from having guarded it a few times. Also, if you're going to die regardless, might as well gamble on that counter.

Oh yeah, as for actually performing it, I hover over the guard button, then if I hear the counter sound I mash counterattack if possible. As gay as this sounds, every now and then I get like a brief moment of clarity when it happens and the counter feels pretty natural. Othertimes I just settle for a guard.
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Yeah, see, before I unlocked counterattack, I eventually started just watching the word Guard and hit it when it lit up. Waiting for it to pop up took too long and sometimes I had no idea who was even being attacked and the camera angles would fuck it up even if I did know. And the sound appears a little bit after the word popped up. But this method doesn't really work that well with counterattack, because now I'm used to just hitting guard the second I see the word light up. Sometimes I'll see Counterattack and hit Guard anyway out of habit. Then if I try to hit counterattack instead, it's not available and I get hit. The timing for some attacks is ridiculous. I don't even have time to hit Guard sometimes, let alone decide whether or not I should hit Counterattack instead.

Also, it's level 6 where you get Moving Command. I think it's optional on the first playthrough, so I will probably skip it cause a friend told me you can change party levels in Encore.
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The best is the archer chick because of her long distance == greater damage ability

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Also, it's level 6 where you get Moving Command. I think it's optional on the first playthrough, so I will probably skip it cause a friend told me you can change party levels in Encore.
That's a terrible idea. Party level 6 is the best. The randomized commands takes a little while to get used to but you get an insane amount of item slots, the ability to do 6 harmony chains, and echoes carry over between battles.
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How is that a terrible idea? The first playthrough is absolutely useless and a waste of time. The real game doesn't even start until Encore mode. If I have to lose all of my items and level progress, why should I give a shit about the first playthrough? I'm getting the score pieces and costumes and stuff, but if it doesn't carry over, I don't care about it.

And I end most battles with a special anyway, so carrying over 0 echoes isn't very helpful.

Oh, and you unlock Level 6 in Mysterious Union, so I'd rather Claves stayed dead as long as possible.
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Uhh, specials still build echoes? Unless you finish every fight with a 1 hit special. Which seems a bit arbitrary!

And it's a terrible idea because that means you're stuck with party level 5 in encore mode until you reach Mysterious Unison again.
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I've been doing pretty fine without Level 6 so far. And I usually end the match with a healing spell if I can, just to stay fresh. Viola's the only one I use Harmony Chains with so I can Sacred Strike/Healing Arrow. When I get 3 chains, I could throw in something else though. But even if I did start the match with Echoes, it's not very helpful anyway. Battles already take too much concentration as it is, so I don't feel like adding more to it. It's not like I'm playing this game because I'm totally into it. It's not something I feel like mastering or completing to 100%. I'm just killing time until school starts up again.
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Oh man, Falsetto really is pretty good. Tyr's Left Arm (action gauge increases with hits) + Werewolf Choker (double echoes) + Speed Shoes = 32 Echoes in one turn. And I've gotten better at counterattacks. I just pay attention during the first attack of an enemy's turn. Counterattacks got really awesome now that I can use special attacks in them.
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Falsetto's the bitchy one with the platinum-ish hair, right? Blue dress, if I recall? She was kind of cool.

It's been a while since I've played it.
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Yeah, she's the one. She completely sucks all the way up until the point where she gets Tyr's Left Arm, then she starts kicking monumental ass. Serenade is pretty beast, too. I underestimated her. Her Expello attack can do over 140k damage with 32 echoes. Crazy.
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Falsetto was always great, you were just blind. I mean, you liked Jazz. Come on.
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Jazz is still probably my favorite. No one can do anything to match his attack radius, he's got crazy attack power, powerful/flashy specials, ridiculous amounts of HP and defense, and he's not bad at echoes. Also, he's just a badass. The only thing he sucks at is speed. When you first get Falsetto, she's no better at echoes than Beat, and at least Beat can do that from across the map. And all of her other stats were weak aside from speed.

I know another person who's played this game to death and his favorite is Fred for some reason. And he really likes Polka because of Blossom Shower.
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Falsetto still has kickin' damage, and being across the map only matters on like the first attack. Once she's in there she's in there. I really don't care about defense and as long as someone has average HP that's workable for me. Offense is way more important.

Eh, whatever. All I'm really getting from this is pretty much everyone is viable and Viola is still op as fuck.
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So I got Party Level 6 and this is waaaaay not as bad as I thought it'd be. When I heard of Moving Command, I thought it meant that it changed your shit around after EVERY attack. Like you couldn't do a combo without changing buttons. But since it only happens during a Harmony Chain and it moves right after you hit the right button, it's easy. I can still mash on the Special button to do a chain like I usually do. Easy, but annoying. Also, no one mentioned that you keep echoes after a Harmony chain, too.
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Ok, I didn't know Encore mode was also a difficulty increase. Good thing I went for Party Level 6. Ival was totally right about that. I was right about Encore being the real game though. This is what an RPG is supposed to be like. You have to grind and work to be stronger than the enemies instead of walking in and being able to destroy everyone. There might even be some sort of strategy involved with some bosses. Cause seriously, I beat Annihilator in less than 2 minutes with no items and that's ridiculous. Maybe he might manage to kill someone on Encore.
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Yeah, encore is the serious stuff. I still need to finish my run actually, I think Tuba on the bridge killed my spirit and motivation previously.
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Yeah, I read that that guy was serious business. I'm gonna have to grind it up like a bitch to get through him. If only the game didn't split up your party all the time. Like now that I know Falsetto is good, it's gonna piss me off when I won't be allowed to use her forever.
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You have to grind and work to be stronger than the enemies
that's the hallmark of a badly designed RPG, actually. Knowledge and strategy should be able to trump modest level differences. If a game requires you to grind in order to succeed, it's just Dragon Warrior not fun
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Well, it's not so much that you have to, it's more that lenience is reduced to nearly zero on encore, so if you're not on point with your counter attacks and guards you'll probably end up dead.

Eternal Sonata is way more skill based than it is level based, aside from learning techniques, anyhow. If you can survive a round by the enemies you can probably win any fight; the rest is just threat mitigation.
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When you guard/counter every attack and you're still getting massive damage, I don't see how that has anything to do with skill. And that wouldn't be a problem if you could actually heal yourself without items between battles, but I can only hold 99 Peach Cookies and that goes down quickly after a dozen fights. So when I got to Fort Fermata and kept getting brutally hurt after every single fight, I knew I wouldn't be able to get through the whole thing. I had to run all the way back to Agogo Village and kill goats until Viola hit level 15 for Heal Arrow. Now I'm doing pretty good. Took me a few hours to do all of that though. Very annoying.
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Because levels wouldn't even be a factor if you weren't guarding/countering; you would just be dead. Levels are really only important for learning critical techniques.
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HP and speed. I wouldn't want to be at 900 max HP still and I wouldn't want to attack last in every battle. And I have to be at a high level for guarding attacks to even save me from massive damage. And I'm not just talking about one single fight. I'm talking about when you have to fight a dozen fights in a row and they all take a chunk out of your HP with every fight. Before I got Heal Arrow, that wasn't going to ever work. I literally could not hold enough healing items to get me through that dungeon and Fred/Polka friggin' suuuuck at healing at level 12. The more accessories I get and the more abilities I get, the easier it'll be to get through this, but until I get the game-breaking Falsetto set-up, it's gonna be annoying.
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Man, Atelier Rorona is such an awesome game. Not really challenging but still pretty fun regardless.

I don't know how I've gone this long without playing it.
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Atelier Rorona was the first game I've ever gotten 100% on. I enjoyed it as well!

I bought Agarest War Zero, Last Rebellion, and Alice: Madness Returns within this month.

Agarest War Zero was.... I don't know... not worth 60 dollars imo. Battles are long as heck -_-
Last Rebellion is mehhh, doing the same thing every battle gets boring. 15 dollar game is 15 dollar game.
Alice is pretty cool, Nightmare difficulty is fun to play on. Love the combat and how it goes all slow-mo when slashing enemies :>

But omg, White Knight Chronicles 2!!! Can't wait!

Edit: Oh shi- Atelier Totori in September as well!!
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You guys barely buy any PSN games huh? Shame on you. I've bought Outland and Might and Magic: Clash of Heroes a week ago, awesome stuff. Still need to get PixelJunk Shooter 2.

Btw. do you only buy games with anime-styled characters Mafiamaster ?_? You might want to check out some reviews before "wasting" 60 $. :P
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You guys barely buy any PSN games huh? Shame on you.
I'd buy Wizardry if it were actually available in my region.
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Nharox wrote:

You guys barely buy any PSN games huh? Shame on you.
I'd buy Wizardry if it were actually available in my region.
Do what I did, made a faux US account and just get online delivered $20/50 PSN cards.
I also have a Japanese account as well. :D

It's how I got my 'copy' of Record of Agarest War.
If you need help setting one up give me buzz as I've helped a few friends out before.
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You guys barely buy any PSN games huh? Shame on you. I've bought Outland and Might and Magic: Clash of Heroes a week ago, awesome stuff. Still need to get PixelJunk Shooter 2.

Btw. do you only buy games with anime-styled characters Mafiamaster ?_? You might want to check out some reviews before "wasting" 60 $. :P
I own Might and Magic: Clash of Heroes, so...

I didn't even gameshare that one, I actually threw money at it. I usually don't throw money at things.
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Do what I did, made a faux US account and just get online delivered $20/50 PSN cards.
I also have a Japanese account as well. :D
That's too much effort just to play a game that should already be on the AU PSN and has no real reason for not being on there other than our shitty ratings board.
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That's too much effort just to play a game that should already be on the AU PSN and has no real reason for not being on there other than our shitty ratings board.
The games are cheaper, believe me and I also get better download speed for the US PSN for some strange reason.
Oh, let's not forgetting how regularly updated our PSN Store is..
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ampzz wrote:

Oh, let's not forgetting how regularly updated our PSN Store is..
Every Thursday?
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Nharox wrote:

You guys barely buy any PSN games huh? Shame on you. I've bought Outland and Might and Magic: Clash of Heroes a week ago, awesome stuff. Still need to get PixelJunk Shooter 2.

Btw. do you only buy games with anime-styled characters Mafiamaster ?_? You might want to check out some reviews before "wasting" 60 $. :P
There's just honestly not enough good games that are released on the PSN that I feel like spending money on. I'm always looking out for good ones, but the PSN just doesn't have a lot of great exclusives. I do have, like, 15 or so games that I bought, but it's rare for awesome games to come out.

And yeah, I don't think I've ever seen Mafiamaster play anything but anime-style/RPG games. But apparently he's played a grand total of four games that aren't.
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True enough since I don't like fps games.

Nharox wrote:

You might want to check out some reviews before "wasting" 60 $.
It's fine, if it's an anime style game with a cute girl on the front, I'd buy it.
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Mafiamaster has the best taste in games.

Also, Atelier Rorona is so much concentrated own that I am without a doubt getting Atelier Totori on day one.
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I have to wait over a week for The Baconing. I haven't spent the full $15 on a Deathspank game yet, and though Deathspank wasn't worth 15 (definitely worth 7.50 though) Thongs of Virtue was, so I'm hoping The Baconing is at least as good.

and even though I got Dead Nation for free I play the shit out of that game I have completed it at least a dozen times
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Yeah, see, that's weird. I thought DeathSpank 1 was better than 2. I just didn't like how they replaced my crossbow with inferior guns. But The Baconing should be pretty beast. The Hero Cards look like they do a lot more things and everything just looks improved in general. I mean, it looks like they didn't just make this at the same time as the other two games, so there should be some gameplay improvements to make it different compared to the others. Like now you can reflect projectiles and stuff. Can't wait for that.
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