what a tilde using poser

hey two get your own mafia thread

Confirmed.

I never get to be mafia D:

Confirmed.

animask, you aren't supposed to make comments like those. They're just WIFOM.
FoS: animask

( lulzy question )

If I was less suspicious than usual would I be more suspicious?

...
I give up on reading you.
Your comments and claims don't make sense and are anti-town even if you ARE town.

Most people have read their role PM. I am starting the day now.

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch. Deadline is in /6/ days.

Vote: animask
Already explained my reason.
WIFOM statement off the bat followed with an even more WIFOM-y statement.

Ohayo

animask wrote:

If I was less suspicious than usual would I be more suspicious?

lol, what?

NoHItter wrote:

...
I give up on reading you.
Your comments and claims don't make sense and are anti-town even if you ARE town.

XD

animask wrote:

I never get to be mafia D:

It's funny because I was this close to posting the same thing.

Can't we all just agree that no matter what animask is not benefitial to town?

DeathxShinigami wrote:

Can't we all just agree that no matter what animask is not benefitial to town?

He's adorable - animask for town mascot o/

animask supplies useful information sometimes~

A common mistake in these games, is people feel the needs to be mysterious, secretive, all that jazz. That's the opposite of what you should do as a pro-town member. Town's goal is to put the puzzle together, not scramble the pieces.

l2p animask.

0_o wrote:

It's funny because I was this close to posting the same thing.

Yea. Statements like those are very WIFOM.
Generally we should avoid WIFOM, but there are some cases where WIFOM is unavoidable.

@Rolled I didn't really say anything like that yet. I was serious with my last question.

I don't want people to FoS me when I start doing better now...

Also, I thought it would be okay to be just a bit careless on Day 1 because there isn't much
being relayed around anyways and most people make somewhat random votes anyways (in larger groups).

animask wrote:

I didn't really say anything like that yet. I was serious with my last question.

If it was then maybe you could have worded it better? Basically all you said was, if I was less X, will I be more X?
It doesn't make sense.

animask wrote:

I don't want people to FoS me when I start doing better now...

I'll unvote you when you start "doing better" and if someone else suspicious comes around.

animask wrote:

Also, I thought it would be okay to be just a bit careless on Day 1 because there isn't much
being relayed around anyways and most people make somewhat random votes anyways (in larger groups).

Day 1 is important. Why? Because it gives you possible links to players, offers scumtells/insights that may have been ironed out by Night 1 via Scumchat, etc. So Day 1 is important.

I'm gonna take a stab at interpreting animask's question. Do you mean something like "People have been finding my previous behaviour suspicious, but if I stop acting like that will you guys find the fact that I'm acting differently suspicious?"

0_o wrote:

I'm gonna take a stab at interpreting animask's question. Do you mean something like "People have been finding my previous behaviour suspicious, but if I stop acting like that will you guys find the fact that I'm acting differently suspicious?"

Yes, that's what I mean. I have a strong feeling that at least some of you will be.

If you think your old playstyle works, keep it. If not, change it. Once you find a nice balance try to stay as consistent as possible, regardless of your role.

You've made it obvious so far this game that you don't want to cause suspicion. This obviously means you are mafia.

FoS: animask

everything is wifom, nohitter

@Rolled, I thought being less suspicious was something that everyone is supposed to do.
No matter what role you have, being suspicious isn't a good thing.

You assume that I'm hiding a role (which happens to be mafia). Being suspicious doesn't always make you mafia.

You might be secretly assuming I have an aux role, but accusing people of having one isn't a pro-town thing to do
(at this time of the game).

A person becomes suspicious when they're suspected of something other than what they're presenting.

Wouldn't want anybody to scream WIFOM at me, so with this logic it doesn't necessarily mean you're mafia. But coupled with other things you've said already, it could make someone's opinion sway in that direction.

animask wrote:

You might be secretly assuming I have an aux role, but accusing people of having one isn't a pro-town thing to do
(at this time of the game).

I doubt any townie would jump on you if they suspected you have an aux role.

Day extened by 1 day.

If Firo does not confirm within a day or so, I will replace.

tick tock tick tock.

So....any ideas if we can assume what role animask is?

Sorry, I had some problems with my computer. I confirm.

DeathxShinigami wrote:

tick tock tick tock.

So....any ideas if we can assume what role animask is?

I have no idea what this even means.

Can you elaborate on this? Are you asking if there's a group agreement on animask's role? Weird.

@Rolled I'm just asking if anyone has an idea on what animask's role could be since he's always rather outspoken no matter what he ends up being.

Personally I think he has a pro town aux role or is just plain town but again no immediate ideas.

@Rantai, (FoS) Who said that he was a townie? You're not supposed to assume that... If you assumed that he was mafia instead,
he might be trying to use "WIFOM" to make people think I'm mafia or have an aux role. (The mafia/townie[aux] thing can be pretty persuading.)

@DxS, my role doesn't really matter right now, does it? I could be honest and say that I don't have one, but
the odds of people actually believing that is really small.

The day is being extended? Who do we vote for?

*looks at his own post*

Vote: Rantai

@animask: Sounded like a general statement to me, don't really think Rantai was making any assumptions. Regardless, you're in too much of a hurry, imo, to vote Rantai. And for what? Assuming rolled is town?

Furthermore, you spent your past posts explaining how assuming/accusing someone of a role this early in the game isn't pro-town. DxS was just role fishing + expressed his thoughts about you having a pro aux role or being a plain town member. Yet, after all that, you suspect and vote Rantai?


@DxS: Why did you ask for his role earlier? How do you know/why do you think he's town now?


FoS on DxS and animask

animask wrote:

@Rolled, I thought being less suspicious was something that everyone is supposed to do.
No matter what role you have, being suspicious isn't a good thing.

Good town players don't try to look less (or more) suspicious. They have nothing to worry about, and nothing to hide.

Mafia players should try to look less suspicious. However, good mafia players know how to do this without anyone noticing.

animask wrote:

You assume that I'm hiding a role (which happens to be mafia). Being suspicious doesn't always make you mafia.

You're right. But suspicions change; your role doesn't. Suspicions are traits of a character, and that character is bound to a role. Don't think of suspicions as traits of a role.

A tip for you, animask: Do not respond to anything directed at your meta. Do not think about anything related to your meta. Do not think about how to play the game. Just play your role to the best of your ability. If you are a mafia player, try to cast suspicion on other players while keeping it away from yourself. (As I said before, good mafia players can do this well.) If you are a town player, find clues from discussions, help iron out issues and details, and eventually try to find the mafia players. You don't need to worry about anything else.

Haneii wrote:

Furthermore, you spent your past posts explaining how assuming/accusing someone of a role this early in the game isn't pro-town. DxS was just role fishing + expressed his thoughts about you having a pro aux role or being a plain town member. Yet, after all that, you suspect and vote Rantai?

There's a difference here. DxS isn't claiming (explicitly or implicitly) that animask has a role. Rentai, however, is implicitly claiming that Rolled has a certain role. (I personally don't share this view with animask; I am just expressing my thoughts about your FoS.)

@Haneii, ooo, I haven't played with you before. Lets play~ lulz

Day 1 is almost over and I probably won't be able to post again before its done.

I voted for Rantai because of the way he assumed that Rolled was pro-town. Only a mafia member would know that and he didn't
really word it in an "assumption" manner. Also, I'm not accusing him of being mafia, but I'm saying that he seemed to be thinking as mafia.
DxS isn't really role-fishing and I replied to tell him that he doesn't need to be. You can't assume someone's role so early in the game, which is also why I said that figuring out my role in the beginning wasn't really possible or needed (mafia or not).

I'm also getting a townie feeling from you...

@Ph0X, okay I get what you're trying to say. I shouldn't be using metagaming to shape my suspicions and accusations. Doing
this would make me less open-minded and tunneling would occur more often.

No wait, I did play in a mafiascum game with you before, Haneii. Probably just not paying much attention to the other game atm...

animask wrote:

Day 1 is almost over and I probably won't be able to post again before its done.

=[

animask wrote:

Day 1 is almost over and I probably won't be able to post again before its done.

LS wrote:

(36 hours ago)
Deadline is in /6/ days.

What?

@Ph0x, it turns out I'm still connected to my internet... I thought I would d/c again (hasn't been working all day)

@animask

Mmm good point there. I made that statement because I felt you were implying that Rolled was a townie when you said "but accusing people of having one isn't a pro-town thing to do".

I was trying to say it on a more generic level though. Ie: In general, any townie wouldn't accuse you of an aux role this early in the game.

^ Clearly holds an aux role.

FoS: Ph0x

Why exactly would you want to "imply"/"show" that someone is a power role?

NoHItter wrote:

FoS: Ph0x

Why exactly would you want to "imply"/"show" that someone is a power role?

Pretty sure that was a joke.

Gah why do I find you suspicious in every game we're in >_>

Also, why did you vote animask for saying WIFOM things when you said yourself that he says those kind of comments regardless of his role?

0_o wrote:

Also, why did you vote animask for saying WIFOM things when you said yourself that he says those kind of comments regardless of his role?

Remember when I said that I don't really use meta as a basis for suspicion/exemption.
What animask said was suspicious and regardless of past play, I opt to vote suspicious players.

Shouldn't the day be done by now...?

(2 days ago)

LadySuburu wrote:

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch. Deadline is in /6/ days.

Unless I read that wrong.

oh whoops, I thought the extension meant that the deadline passed already...

LadySuburu wrote:

8. Voting is back to the normal system.

unvote Rantai, FoS Rantai

That's better.

NoHItter wrote:

FoS: Ph0x

Why exactly would you want to "imply"/"show" that someone is a power role?

I'd say reactions like yours are pretty revealing.

NoHItter wrote:

0_o wrote:

Also, why did you vote animask for saying WIFOM things when you said yourself that he says those kind of comments regardless of his role?

Remember when I said that I don't really use meta as a basis for suspicion/exemption.
What animask said was suspicious and regardless of past play, I opt to vote suspicious players.

Well I disagree with your strategy, but fair enough.

sooooo what's up guys

0_o wrote:

sooooo what's up guys

Chillin'.

Will re-read thread and actually try in a bit.

Any word from the other guys?

This situation has been pretty confusing and I don't know what to say.

Except the fact that NoHItter sounds mildly suspicious.

Firo Prochainezo wrote:

This situation has been pretty confusing and I don't know what to say.

Except the fact that NoHItter sounds mildly suspicious.

Would you care to explain why you find me suspicious?

NoHItter is being very tryhard, hiding behind the "WIFOM is never useful" shield.

NoHItter wrote:

animask, you aren't supposed to make comments like those. They're just WIFOM.
FoS: animask

NoHItter wrote:

0_o wrote:

It's funny because I was this close to posting the same thing.

Yea. Statements like those are very WIFOM.
Generally we should avoid WIFOM, but there are some cases where WIFOM is unavoidable.

NoHItter wrote:

FoS: Ph0x

Why exactly would you want to "imply"/"show" that someone is a power role?

(I don't know if Firo came to the same conclusion as me. Just stating my thoughts of NoHItter after a re-read.)

Vote: NoHItter

0_o, what are your thoughts on DxS's rolefishing post?

I don't need to repeat what Ph0X said.

Vote: NoHItter

After re-reading the last few pages, I can really see how NoHItter is being suspicious.

FoS NoHItter

He seems to actually be using WIFOM and at the same time claiming that using WIFOM is useless.

animask wrote:

He seems to actually be using WIFOM and at the same time claiming that using WIFOM is useless.

Example?

Ph0X wrote:

0_o, what are your thoughts on DxS's rolefishing post?

I have no idea what's going through DxS's mind most of the time. It doesn't make sense for either a pro-town OR mafia player to say, since it's not only rolefishing but blatantly obvious rolefishing. So my official opinion: no idea.

Ph0X wrote:

NoHItter is being very tryhard, hiding behind the "WIFOM is never useful" shield.

So you find me saying that WIFOM is bad more suspicious than DxS rolefishing, or animask using WIFOM?

Firo Prochainezo wrote:

I don't need to repeat what Ph0X said.

Vote: NoHItter

So you say that the only reason you're voting me is for what Ph0x said, and that you agreed on it?

animask wrote:

He seems to actually be using WIFOM and at the same time claiming that using WIFOM is useless.

How am I using WIFOM? Show me the part when I am.

NoHItter wrote:

Ph0X wrote:

NoHItter is being very tryhard, hiding behind the "WIFOM is never useful" shield.

So you find me saying that WIFOM is bad more suspicious than DxS rolefishing, or animask using WIFOM?

Yes.

I don't really have an example.

I just get the feeling that his previous posts could benefit possible future acts of WIFOM.

My FoS was me agreeing with the suspicions that everyone placed on NoHItter.

Also, where's Rantai? I only unvoted for him because I thought it was too early to finalize a vote.

Addition to last post...

The entire "WIFOM is never useful" statement gave me an idea that NoHItter will sneak in some WIFOM later in the game.

I don't have much to add at this point...

But I don't really see how NoHItter is being overly suspicious, just aggressive.

Before I go further though can someone explain to me exactly what WIFOM represents, I read about it but would like some clarification.

Haneii wrote:

Vote: No Lynch

No lynch is not beneficial in this situation, especially since it's a relatively small game and there aren't many lynch opportunities.

Rantai wrote:

Before I go further though can someone explain to me exactly what WIFOM represents, I read about it but would like some clarification.

Here's a simple example: your friend puts his hands behind his back and tells you he his holding a dollar in one of them. Pick the right hand and you win the dollar - if not, you owe him a dollar. He then says "the dollar is in my right hand". Which hand do you choose? You might think "well he wouldn't actually say that if it was in his right hand", but then again, what if he knew you would think that so he actually DID put it in his right hand? But what if he knew that you would think THAT... and it keeps going. Thus, "the dollar is in my right hand" is a WIFOM statement.

I dunno what you've read already, but this page explains it pretty well I think.

tl;dr

There is risk in WIFOM and something is said that attempts to
make a player choose between a few options.

I think that's it...

Ahh thanks, that clears a lot up.

Well then continuing...

I don't understand what Ph0X is trying to do here because as far as I can tell, thinking that WIFOM is bad, isn't something I'd associate with suspicion. If anything, it's just an opinion being expressed and used.

So;

Ph0X wrote:

So you find me saying that WIFOM is bad more suspicious than DxS rolefishing, or animask using WIFOM?

Yes.[/quote]

I'd like to ask why, so I can understand your viewpoint.

*Useless doublepost*

I want to fix that quote so badly...

@0_o

I can't decide on who to vote for T_T

I don't really see how NoHitter's posts/behavior indicate he's mafia. I find Ph0x more suspicious for using those reasons to vote NoHitter.

currently: FoS on animask, DxS and Ph0x, but not based on much :/

....lynching NoHitter would make things clearer. Unethical though + rather not risk lowering our numbers (There's a chance more than one person might die tonight...dun dun duuun)

But lynching is are only weapon for eliminating Mafia (apart from a Vig).
I highly doubt Mafia will kill themselves during the Night.

@Haneii, not lynching on the first day has the benefit of increasing
the odds of finding a mafia member the next day (after NK). If we
vote and end up lynching a pro-town today, we willl have better chances
of finding a mafia member next day. Also, the suspect that we are all voting
for will get the chance to somehow defend themselves to reclaim their
pro-town status (possibly). We can analyze their defense to decide if they're
guilty or not.

Also, not all suspicious behavior leads to being mafia.

Am I only being FoS'd because of my "less suspicious makes me more suspicious" WIFOM statement?

Hello Mafia game. I apologize for lack of interest, but I went and re-read the thread a couple of times and here's some input.

First and foremost, I'm alarmed nobody prodded me. I could definitely over analyze this and find the people with the most to gain from not prodding, but I'll give the benefit of the doubt and assume you guys just don't give a shit ^___^

Back to page 2:

animask wrote:

I never get to be mafia D:

Confirmed.

Luckily for animask, this statement got ignored as the day went on. The only person that has tried to make a case out of it is NoHitter, and truthfully I agree with him. A statement like this is beyond a newbie's mistake of speaking their mind. Pulling the numbers out of my ass, I'd assume something like this is more probable to have some kind of reverse-psychology behind it from a player of animask's level. +10 animask.

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Rantai wrote:

I doubt any townie would jump on you if they suspected you have an aux role.

animask wrote:

@Rantai, (FoS) Who said that he was a townie? You're not supposed to assume that..

Ph0x wrote:

Rentai, however, is implicitly claiming that Rolled has a certain role.

My immediate thought behind this, is how is Rantai's statement implying that I am town? @phox, saying Rantai was implying I'm town is WIFOM. The statement could just as easily mean "Animask, you're aux and Rolled is mafia" just as much as "Animask, Rolled is town and thinks you are mafia." I feel like I'm missing something that is apparent to other players, so please fill me in if so.

DxS wrote:

So....any ideas if we can assume what role animask is?

Immediately appears to me that DxS is looking for a bandwagon to hop on, which isn't really a pro-town thing to do at this point. Though, his later statement shows his belief (fact or fictional) to be that animask is pro-town, which somewhat counters this argument.

Haneii wrote:

Furthermore, you spent your past posts explaining how assuming/accusing someone of a role this early in the game isn't pro-town. DxS was just role fishing + expressed his thoughts about you having a pro aux role or being a plain town member. Yet, after all that, you suspect and vote Rantai?

A very good point, and I agree with Haneii's line of thinking. I feel the reason that animask held his vote, obviously, is because DxS is voicing his opinion that animask is pro-town (which is gathered out of thin air) -5 Haneii since I'm in agreement with him.

Ph0x wrote:

There's a difference here. DxS isn't claiming (explicitly or implicitly) that animask has a role. Rentai, however, is implicitly claiming that Rolled has a certain role. (I personally don't share this view with animask; I am just expressing my thoughts about your FoS.)

This is wrong, and is an attempt to undermine Haneii's way of thinking.
DxS is explicitly claiming that animask is pro-town.
Rantai is implicitly claiming that I have a role. (which I don't agree with, but for sake of this argument let's assume)
Haneii's FoS is completely valid in this situation. +5 ph0x for not acknowledging this.

Page 7 ^_^:

Firo wrote:

This situation has been pretty confusing and I don't know what to say.

Except the fact that NoHItter sounds mildly suspicious.

One of those annoying Quarezahasshsa-ish posts. No backing or reasoning behind it, and one of the few posts Firo has made.
NoHitter had all of the right in the world to ask for Firo's logic behind his reasoning, and Ph0x answered NoHitter's question for Firo.

Ph0x, I don't feel it was your time to speak after NoHitter asked Firo a question. All you successfully accomplished was an easy cop-out for Firo, when it was a strong possibility he would not be able to word an explanation of his own. Turns out, he simply did use your reasoning to justify his vote for NoHitter. +5 ph0x, +5 Firo.

As far as NoHitter's playstyle, (non-meta, wifom sucks etc) I don't necessarily agree with it either (everything is wifom~). Does this make him suspicious, though? Not in my eyes.

Final tally from this textwall:
Animask: +10
Ph0x: +10
Firo: +5
Heneii: -5
Also like to FoS DxS for never giving his reasoning behind his belief in animask's innocence. Don't feel like adding a point value, so meh.
I'm going to cast my vote for animask. While he is tied with ph0x, ph0x has gathered the majority of his points from defending players who I don't feel are necessarily mafia. I feel there's a fine line between needlessly defending players, and voicing your opinion about said player, and ph0x crossed it in a few occasions.

No, fuck that. Taking the riskier route.
unvote
Vote: Ph0x

About my no lynch: yes, most of you are right about lynching being our main weapon + increases our chances of finding mafia (although that's just chance + probability...I hate making decisions when I'm not sure XD). But I already had an idea of who might be mafia and with the day almost ending (6 days past btw) it looked like NoHitter would be lynced - someone who I believe is town. I thought, 'If the day ends without most of us voting, will the mod assume they're voting for a no lynch? (I prob shouldn't make assumptions like that )'. So if that was the case, I'd just help make that the majority vote. Why not vote for someone on my FoS list? Again, looked like the day would end any min and I'd prob be the only person voting in a such a way . I was worried that if I do it would let NoHitter get lynched. Hopefully that 1 kill at night + maybe some information from an investigative role will help make a better decision, because at that point I didn't think my suspicions were warranted...

...However, now rolled posts. He not only agrees and pointed out all the reasons for my FoS list, gives me even more reasons that I haven't thought about (especially in Ph0x's case). I think I am now confident enough to:

Unvote

Vote: Ph0x

Rantai wrote:

I don't understand what Ph0X is trying to do here because as far as I can tell, thinking that WIFOM is bad, isn't something I'd associate with suspicion. If anything, it's just an opinion being expressed and used.

So;

Ph0X wrote:

> So you find me saying that WIFOM is bad more suspicious than DxS rolefishing, or animask using WIFOM?
Yes.

I'd like to ask why, so I can understand your viewpoint.

(Formatting kinda corrected.)
The fact that NoHItter argues against WIFOMic statements isn't why I find him suspicious. The fact that NoHItter abuses that same argument continually and tries very hard to attack other players using "your argument is invalid" techniques is why I find him suspicious.

I don't disagree with NoHItter's arguments. I just find them to be forced.

Rolled wrote:

First and foremost, I'm alarmed nobody prodded me. I could definitely over analyze this and find the people with the most to gain from not prodding, but I'll give the benefit of the doubt and assume you guys just don't give a shit ^___^

You didn't seem very attached to the game from the start, so I decided not to bother you (in short). Seems I was mistaken.

inb4 some retarded Two logic about me not wanting you to be around to benefit myself.

Rolled wrote:

Page 4:

Rantai wrote:

I doubt any townie would jump on you if they suspected you have an aux role.

animask wrote:

@Rantai, (FoS) Who said that he was a townie? You're not supposed to assume that..

Ph0x wrote:

Rentai, however, is implicitly claiming that Rolled has a certain role.

My immediate thought behind this, is how is Rantai's statement implying that I am town? @phox, saying Rantai was implying I'm town is WIFOM. The statement could just as easily mean "Animask, you're aux and Rolled is mafia" just as much as "Animask, Rolled is town and thinks you are mafia." I feel like I'm missing something that is apparent to other players, so please fill me in if so.

The way I saw it:

Rentai reads animask's post as, "You [Rolled] might be secretly assuming I [animask] have an aux role, but accusing people of having one isn't a pro-town thing to do." Rentai responds, "I doubt any townie [Rolled] would jump on you [animask] if they suspected you [animask] have an aux role."

The "any townie [Rolled]" part is what I was referring to as "implicitly claiming".

Rolled wrote:

Ph0x wrote:

There's a difference here. DxS isn't claiming (explicitly or implicitly) that animask has a role. Rentai, however, is implicitly claiming that Rolled has a certain role. (I personally don't share this view with animask; I am just expressing my thoughts about your FoS.)

This is wrong, and is an attempt to undermine Haneii's way of thinking.
DxS is explicitly claiming that animask is pro-town.
Rantai is implicitly claiming that I have a role. (which I don't agree with, but for sake of this argument let's assume)
Haneii's FoS is completely valid in this situation. +5 ph0x for not acknowledging this.

Realized I missed this post by DxS. Either way, though, there is a difference in how DxS and Rentai handled things.

A direct argument against Haneii's is: maybe DxS is right and animask doesn't want to vote for him because of this. (Saying this from animask's perspective, of course.)

Rolled wrote:

NoHitter had all of the right in the world to ask for Firo's logic behind his reasoning, and Ph0x answered NoHitter's question for Firo.

Ph0x, I don't feel it was your time to speak after NoHitter asked Firo a question. All you successfully accomplished was an easy cop-out for Firo, when it was a strong possibility he would not be able to word an explanation of his own. Turns out, he simply did use your reasoning to justify his vote for NoHitter. +5 ph0x, +5 Firo.

I wasn't expanding upon Firo's post. I even said this in my post:

Ph0X wrote:

(I don't know if Firo came to the same conclusion as me. Just stating my thoughts of NoHItter after a re-read.)

I find Firo's following post kind of awkward, though.

Rolled wrote:

While he is tied with ph0x, ph0x has gathered the majority of his points from defending players who I don't feel are necessarily mafia. I feel there's a fine line between needlessly defending players, and voicing your opinion about said player, and ph0x crossed it in a few occasions.

I was poking at a player's argument in each instance I was "defending" someone. It's how I always play.

Haneii wrote:

I thought, 'If the day ends without most of us voting, will the mod assume they're voting for a no lynch? (I prob shouldn't make assumptions like that )'. So if that was the case, I'd just help make that the majority vote.

Please read the rules:

Rules wrote:

9. A lynch occurs when a player has an absolute majority of votes on them.

10. At deadline, the player with the most votes is lynched. In the event of a draw, the player who had the most votes before being tied will be lynched.

Rules wrote:

9. A lynch occurs when a player has an absolute majority of votes on them.

10. At deadline, the player with the most votes is lynched. In the event of a draw, the player who had the most votes before being tied will be lynched.

[/quote]

So does that mean, in the case where majority hasn't voted, majority vote would be no vote (no lynch)?

or

those who don't vote by the end of the day lose their say/vote and the person with the most votes at the time gets lynched?

Haneii wrote:

So does that mean, in the case where majority hasn't voted, majority vote would be no vote (no lynch)?

or

those who don't vote by the end of the day lose their say/vote and the person with the most votes at the time gets lynched?

Players who haven't voted contribute no vote. A no-lynch vote is a type vote, and has to be contributed.

Your last option is correct.

Wow, I had no idea it was this far into the day already. Day ends in ~18 hours.

Ph0X wrote:

Realized I missed this post by DxS.

That's strange, since you linked to it here:

Ph0X wrote:

0_o, what are your thoughts on DxS's rolefishing post?

Vote Count
NoHItter (2) - Ph0X, Firo
Ph0X (2) - Rolled, Haneii
animask (1) - NoHItter

Not voting (4) - 0_o, Rantai, animask, DxS

0_o wrote:

Ph0X wrote:

Realized I missed this post by DxS.

That's strange, since you linked to it here:

Ph0X wrote:

0_o, what are your thoughts on DxS's rolefishing post?

I think I meant to link DxS's previous post, but linked that one by mistake.

You have to realize how unlikely your claim of "missing his post" is. Granted, knowing your meta, I doubt you'd make such an argument (explicit vs implicit) fully aware of DxS's explicit claim, however I feel this is a more likely to be selective targeting than an honest mistake.

ie, DxS's post was in your subconscious, yet Rantai was your meal of choice. The likelyhood of you literally "missing" his post is very slim.

You asked 0_o's opinion to create distance between yourself and DxS? Maybe.

Rolled wrote:

You asked 0_o's opinion to create distance between yourself and DxS? Maybe.

No; I noticed the game was slowing down and made an attempt to kickstart discussion.

And I honestly didn't remember DxS saying he thought animask was pro-town until I looked back from your post, Rolled.

Ph0X wrote:

And I honestly didn't remember DxS saying he thought animask was pro-town until I looked back from your post, Rolled.

That I find strange, seeing as you linked to it directly. Let me make sure I understand fully; You're claiming to have mentally (or literally) skipped DxS's post stating animask is pro-town, and in an attempt to jumpstart discussion, you intended to ask faceman's opinion on this post made by DxS?

DxS wrote:

tick tock tick tock.

So....any ideas if we can assume what role animask is?

For the record I also find this whole "tick tock" bit to be awkward. I can't supply any information behind my feeling but it doesn't sit well in my stomach.

Rolled wrote:

Ph0X wrote:

And I honestly didn't remember DxS saying he thought animask was pro-town until I looked back from your post, Rolled.

That I find strange, seeing as you linked to it directly. Let me make sure I understand fully; You're claiming to have mentally (or literally) skipped DxS's post stating animask is pro-town, and in an attempt to jumpstart discussion, you intended to ask faceman's opinion on this post made by DxS?

Yes; that's correct.

Rolled wrote:

DxS wrote:

tick tock tick tock.

So....any ideas if we can assume what role animask is?

For the record I also find this whole "tick tock" bit to be awkward. I can't supply any information behind my feeling but it doesn't sit well in my stomach.

I took that as "well, the time is passing... let's talk about something". I guess there was no real hurry (and things weren't that slow at the time), so it's kind of out of place.

Originally I had Ph0X and Firo as my top 2 suspicions but wanted to get some clarification from Ph0X before making any choices. At the very least Ph0X's train of thought makes sense to me but I don't necessarily agree with him (I still think it's simple aggressive play)

As it stands, Firo didn't make any sort of argument as to why she found NoHItter suspicious, jumping onto Ph0X's reasoning without any extra input (pretty sure Rolled outlined this somewhere). If I had to guess, I'd say she was just looking for an easy vote and NoHItter's aggression was the perfect scapegoat.

Otherwise I don't feel too strongly about anyone else at this stage.

Vote: Firo

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I still get the feeling that I should vote for Rantai, but I shouldn't focus too much on my original suspicions. (aka my target suspect)

I'm in a similar position as Haneii right now. I don't have enough information to vote for anyone else.

@Ph0X, "inb4 some retarded Two logic about me not wanting you to be around to benefit myself" seems like a WIFOM statement.
You say its retarded, but you could be trying to avoid Rolled's metagaming in the future which can be good or bad. Lets see... the good
thing would be if Rolled was actually mafia and tries to use something similar to what you stated. This way, you would be able to prevent any accusations or statements from Rolled from hurting you. If you were mafia this would benefit you by making other players believe that similar accusations made by Rolled are useless and will just make Rolled more guilty in some way.

I really have no idea where I got this idea from, but its just an idea and I'm not even sure about an FoS atm.

The above was all saved as a draft from about 6 hours ago.

@Rantai, use quotes so I know what you're talking about next time...

Vote: Ph0X

Reason? Reason 1 would be to eliminate my thick metagame tunneling for Ph0X and try to imagine him as mafia for once. Reason 2 would
be the things that I stated earlier.

animask wrote:

@Ph0X, "inb4 some retarded Two logic about me not wanting you to be around to benefit myself" seems like a WIFOM statement.
You say its retarded, but you could be trying to avoid Rolled's metagaming in the future which can be good or bad. Lets see... the good
thing would be if Rolled was actually mafia and tries to use something similar to what you stated. This way, you would be able to prevent any accusations or statements from Rolled from hurting you. If you were mafia this would benefit you by making other players believe that similar accusations made by Rolled are useless and will just make Rolled more guilty in some way.

I really have no idea where I got this idea from, but its just an idea and I'm not even sure about an FoS atm.

You're right; it is a WIFOM statement. I was shutting down a possible (though not probably) WIFOMic argument with which Rolled could have possibly responded.

animask wrote:

Reason? Reason 1 would be to eliminate my thick metagame tunneling for Ph0X and try to imagine him as mafia for once.

Oh, thanks. =[

animask wrote:

Reason 2 would
be the things that I stated earlier.

Didn't you say "I'm not even sure about a FoS atm"? What pushed it over the edge?

At the moment, I don't think Ph0x is a good lynch target.
I prefer a lynch on Firo for voting me without even stating the reason apart from "I agree with Ph0x"

Unvote:
Vote: Firo

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Seems like another Q to me. No input, disparity in posts, and doesn't respond well to prods at all.

I have a feeling firo is just kinda here in the games just to be "here"

Doesn't seem like someone who even has a willingness to create a constructive post imo.

Day 1 ended like 8 hours ago.

Rolled wrote:

Day 1 ended like 8 hours ago.

Does that mean the votes are final?

That's that, then. =\

Day has ended, but lynch scene and stuff is delayed until tomorrow morning when I have the energy to do it.

Apperently mild anger/frustration can give me enough energy to update both my games, even if I really don't feel like doing so.

Ph0x - Neutral Hider - Lynched D1

It is now Night 1, send all Night actions within 24 hours.

DxS - Doublevoter (Town) - Killed N1

It is now Day 2. Deadline is in 5 days. (7 alive, 4 to lynch.)

Vote: Firo
Nothing has changed for why I want to lynch Firo.

Incidentally, the kill of DxS feels odd to me.
It doesn't seem to be a logical kill at all.
I see nothing except a FoS at animask (which a lot of people also did) and a statement on how Firo is "just here".

Maybe DxS was right and hes onto somebody? In this case, Firo would be the person.

You should really think about the situation a bit before actually voting. Things can happen
throughout the day. Unless you're really sure... but being that confident in your vote that
quickly is kind of suspicious.

I can change my vote depending on the events of the day.
As of right now though, I voted Firo because she's still the most suspicious in my eyes, because of the events Day 1.

animask wrote:

You should really think about the situation a bit before actually voting. Things can happen
throughout the day. Unless you're really sure... but being that confident in your vote that
quickly is kind of suspicious.

Remember we can unvote this game. Early votes serve the purpose of putting pressure on someone.

animask wrote:

Maybe DxS was right and hes onto somebody? In this case, Firo would be the person.

Well here are all the posts that he's made this game:
[quote="DxS":12c26]Can't we all just agree that no matter what animask is not benefitial to town?[quote="DxS":12c26]tick tock tick tock.

So....any ideas if we can assume what role animask is?[quote="DxS":12c26]@Rolled I'm just asking if anyone has an idea on what animask's role could be since he's always rather outspoken no matter what he ends up being.

Personally I think he has a pro town aux role or is just plain town but again no immediate ideas.[quote="DxS":12c26]I have a feeling firo is just kinda here in the games just to be "here"

Doesn't seem like someone who even has a willingness to create a constructive post imo.It doesn't seem to me like DxS was a threat to anyone, really. I'd say either he was bus driven, or the mafia wanted to play it safe and pick a low-profile target whose death wouldn't raise much dust.

Vote Firo to get him talking.

If you just vote to add pressure, anyone (especially mafia) could jump onto that bandwagon.

The "pressure" excuse could be used to the point where a mafia could potentially hammer if Firo is innocent.
If Firo isn't innocent, someone would be trying to defend her (in some way) at the 3rd vote.

Having 4 votes activates the hammer, but since its still early in the day, its unlikely someone would do that... (easily raises suspicion after 2nd vote)

Unless you two (NoHiTter, 0_o) thought of that beforehand and wanted to start the bandwagon to lower your suspicion.

If you really wanted information, you could also prod Firo. Based on what everyone is saying, Firo is just lurking and voting
or being inactive in the game.