Gilgamesh analysis:

gilgamesh is a weird one, I can see why someone would like this anime, but i'm not that person. I was originally mixed on it, but honestly giving it the extra thought needed for this I think I kind of dislike it

if someone ever tells you to watch gilgamesh, it is because of the plot, it's probably the best element of the anime, it's kinda like a paranormal mistery drama anime. And well, there is certainly a lot of plot in this, that I can say for sure

this anime plot is fairly dark. This is complemented by the very pale colors used in the animation, the lack of OST for some scenes or disturbing/ambiental sounds, the plate is made in a way that every character always has another secret, that everyone isn't really what it seems and that stuff is very dangerous.

But as for as much lore this anime has, I don't feel it ever really goes in depth into any of it, for example, one of the most talked about events is this "Twin X", a date where shit happened (Trying to not spoil stuff) and changed the future of humanity. However, even if it's total disaster for humanity, you kinda just have to believe that, as the anime wont put much effort into showcasing the life of regular people after these events or how humanity moved forward and what suggestions are there to revert this. This is something that should affect the entire world, however, it really doesn't seem to be only a talking point for our protagonists character arc. It feels this way for most stuff

However, as I mentioned before, this anime is also drama, and I think it's on those drama elements where this anime really falls apart. The characters are just not good IMO, they really dont feel like they have any personality after the obvious "this is a very dark story with dark characters who are hiding things", so when they try to pull of something like a romance, it just doesn't really work since I don't like any of the characters, it's not like they're complete unlikeable assholes, they just dont have much of a personality. And if you dont really care about the characters, you probably wont care about the plot either, it's really easy to lose interest in this anime

In a way, this feels like it took inspiration from evangelion but only evangelion 3.0 you can (not) redo. It's mainly focused on the lore, which is more complex than deep, and the characters fall kinda flat, making for a kinda boring watch.

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next: over the garden wall

I haven't really played stellaris since the last update, so same scenario

Patatitta wrote:

Gilgamesh analysis:

gilgamesh is a weird one, I can see why someone would like this anime, but i'm not that person. I was originally mixed on it, but honestly giving it the extra thought needed for this I think I kind of dislike it

if someone ever tells you to watch gilgamesh, it is because of the plot, it's probably the best element of the anime, it's kinda like a paranormal mistery drama anime. And well, there is certainly a lot of plot in this, that I can say for sure

this anime plot is fairly dark. This is complemented by the very pale colors used in the animation, the lack of OST for some scenes or disturbing/ambiental sounds, the plate is made in a way that every character always has another secret, that everyone isn't really what it seems and that stuff is very dangerous.

But as for as much lore this anime has, I don't feel it ever really goes in depth into any of it, for example, one of the most talked about events is this "Twin X", a date where shit happened (Trying to not spoil stuff) and changed the future of humanity. However, even if it's total disaster for humanity, you kinda just have to believe that, as the anime wont put much effort into showcasing the life of regular people after these events or how humanity moved forward and what suggestions are there to revert this. This is something that should affect the entire world, however, it really doesn't seem to be only a talking point for our protagonists character arc. It feels this way for most stuff

However, as I mentioned before, this anime is also drama, and I think it's on those drama elements where this anime really falls apart. The characters are just not good IMO, they really dont feel like they have any personality after the obvious "this is a very dark story with dark characters who are hiding things", so when they try to pull of something like a romance, it just doesn't really work since I don't like any of the characters, it's not like they're complete unlikeable assholes, they just dont have much of a personality. And if you dont really care about the characters, you probably wont care about the plot either, it's really easy to lose interest in this anime

In a way, this feels like it took inspiration from evangelion but only evangelion 3.0 you can (not) redo. It's mainly focused on the lore, which is more complex than deep, and the characters fall kinda flat, making for a kinda boring watch.

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next: over the garden wall

I haven't really played stellaris since the last update, so same scenario

Even though I really liked the anime I gotta admit the characters are kinda dull, the plot doesn't exactly revolve around the characters though (not the ones we see most of the time at least) but around what they are as a group imo
I understand why people don't like it though

I think you should read the Haruhi novels. They're great. And also the only light novel I haven't dropped lol

eblf2013 wrote:

I think you should read the Haruhi novels. They're great. And also the only light novel I haven't dropped lol

nah honestly I like having the experience of accidently watching the movie with no further context and I want to keep it that way, i'm sure they're great, but that experience feels kinda special

Patatitta wrote:

just read hotel

I really dont think this manga works well as an athology, I feel the actual content that was in the manga was fairly good, but they just dont work in this format, they need more time to set up stuff and actually use the world-building they dedicate so much time to explaining

a lot of the scenes kinda just feel you've watching the 50th chapter of an anime without any further context and it just happens that chapter is the arc finale. It has all these hyperdramatic and tense moments, but if you just dont really know the characters or the situation, someone going BUT THINK ABOUT OUR BABY randomly, instead of it actually being a very emotional scene, it's just funny on how absurd it is

for an anthology you want to make stories that doesn't really would work as a manga, stuff like hyper experimental short stories, quick little SoL-ish shorts, that sort of stuff, but just trying to pick a plot for a 15 volume manga and cramming it in a single chapter is just bad

other than that, chapter 4 (stephanos) was a little bit to gory and gruesome for my taste, (but that's a me thing), and I know this is made by the same guy as dr stone and there is probably traces of this work in dr stane but I haven't read dr stone

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i'm about to finish gilgamesh
I thought I had lost my stelaris run, but i'm still alive somehow, I know it's going to be near impossible to win rn but i'm going to go until the game actually finishes

next: nothing to read

Hotel was pretty good tbh, it is just like that tho, the first chapter kinda feels like it's gonna focus more about the humans that was still alive but it didn't.

Also if you review novels can you read "the devastation of baal", I'm planning to buy a copy but idk if it's gonna be good or nah.

If you're not reading novels, can you read "Uramiya Honpo" By kurihara shoushou, it's a pretty good manga imo

I don't know anything about warhammer so idk if I'm going to enjoy the devastation of baal

Patatitta wrote:

NotRaffi wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

just read hotel

I really dont think this manga works well as an athology, I feel the actual content that was in the manga was fairly good, but they just dont work in this format, they need more time to set up stuff and actually use the world-building they dedicate so much time to explaining

a lot of the scenes kinda just feel you've watching the 50th chapter of an anime without any further context and it just happens that chapter is the arc finale. It has all these hyperdramatic and tense moments, but if you just dont really know the characters or the situation, someone going BUT THINK ABOUT OUR BABY randomly, instead of it actually being a very emotional scene, it's just funny on how absurd it is

for an anthology you want to make stories that doesn't really would work as a manga, stuff like hyper experimental short stories, quick little SoL-ish shorts, that sort of stuff, but just trying to pick a plot for a 15 volume manga and cramming it in a single chapter is just bad

other than that, chapter 4 (stephanos) was a little bit to gory and gruesome for my taste, (but that's a me thing), and I know this is made by the same guy as dr stone and there is probably traces of this work in dr stane but I haven't read dr stone

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i'm about to finish gilgamesh
I thought I had lost my stelaris run, but i'm still alive somehow, I know it's going to be near impossible to win rn but i'm going to go until the game actually finishes

next: nothing to read

Hotel was pretty good tbh, it is just like that tho, the first chapter kinda feels like it's gonna focus more about the humans that was still alive but it didn't.

Also if you review novels can you read "the devastation of baal", I'm planning to buy a copy but idk if it's gonna be good or nah.

If you're not reading novels, can you read "Uramiya Honpo" By kurihara shoushou, it's a pretty good manga imo

I don't know anything about warhammer so idk if I'm going to enjoy the devastation of baal

Aw, it's alright then if you don't wanna start reading a new massive world again.

Then can you just read uramiya Honpo instead?

NotRaffi wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

NotRaffi wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

just read hotel

I really dont think this manga works well as an athology, I feel the actual content that was in the manga was fairly good, but they just dont work in this format, they need more time to set up stuff and actually use the world-building they dedicate so much time to explaining

a lot of the scenes kinda just feel you've watching the 50th chapter of an anime without any further context and it just happens that chapter is the arc finale. It has all these hyperdramatic and tense moments, but if you just dont really know the characters or the situation, someone going BUT THINK ABOUT OUR BABY randomly, instead of it actually being a very emotional scene, it's just funny on how absurd it is

for an anthology you want to make stories that doesn't really would work as a manga, stuff like hyper experimental short stories, quick little SoL-ish shorts, that sort of stuff, but just trying to pick a plot for a 15 volume manga and cramming it in a single chapter is just bad

other than that, chapter 4 (stephanos) was a little bit to gory and gruesome for my taste, (but that's a me thing), and I know this is made by the same guy as dr stone and there is probably traces of this work in dr stane but I haven't read dr stone

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i'm about to finish gilgamesh
I thought I had lost my stelaris run, but i'm still alive somehow, I know it's going to be near impossible to win rn but i'm going to go until the game actually finishes

next: nothing to read

Hotel was pretty good tbh, it is just like that tho, the first chapter kinda feels like it's gonna focus more about the humans that was still alive but it didn't.

Also if you review novels can you read "the devastation of baal", I'm planning to buy a copy but idk if it's gonna be good or nah.

If you're not reading novels, can you read "Uramiya Honpo" By kurihara shoushou, it's a pretty good manga imo

I don't know anything about warhammer so idk if I'm going to enjoy the devastation of baal

Aw, it's alright then if you don't wanna start reading a new massive world again.

Then can you just read uramiya Honpo instead?

yeah I can do that

over the garden wall analysis:

I've went with high expectations into this, as i've constantly heard good things about it, so I will be even more nit-picky than usual

The story is about two brothers who gets lost in this forest and must find their way home. The aesthetic and ambient of this show is absolutely amazing, with that dark forest halloween creatures setting, this also combines perfectly with the plot of trying to return home, as it adds a sense of danger and mysticism

The structure of this show is very similar to an episodic one, there is still the overarching plot and some characters get introduced midway through it, but the chapters are mostly self-contained stories, and it mostly plays around with the idea of that we maybe fear the wrong things. That we're putting the trust in the wrong people, as in many parts of the show it turns out that the weird creature is actually not trying to kill everyone and destroy the world, but it's the human that's actually more scary

The first 2 chapters are strong, specially chapter 2, the one with all the pumpkin people, I think that it is by far the best episode in the whole thing, however, we mostly start seeing the problems I have with the show in the next few chapters (Will spoiler the next since i'm talking of like every single chapter)

chapter 3 is really dumb, like all of it, the premise on how they get involved into the situation in a way feels kinda forced, and IMO there are a couple of weird jokes like the bear one that turns out to be the ex otf the teacher? like idk really, it feels to go in opposite direction to the dark world and the trust premise

This is more of a personal thing, but I like it when a series has banger dialogue, i'm a sucker for amazingly written, almost poetic dialogue even if it's less realistic and no sane human would ever talk like that. So when in chapter 4, at the start they literally go "let's go to that dark and scary looking place over there to ask for directions!" I died a little bit inside

my problem with this one line of dialogue is not the comedy itself, I think comedy does have a place in a show like this, however it should be the sitaution that turns out to be kinda funny, however if you put a setup for a joke in such a cristal clear way, the characters start feeling less of a character and a real line of dialogue and more just something that had to happen in the script, and it overalls makes me care less of the dialogue of the entire show. If I know that they're willing to just use the dialogue as a perfectly obvious way to try to set up something for later in such an unnatural way, I know that the dialogue isn't that deep, that there isn't really going to be any hidden meaning to the words, that there hasn't been that much brainpower into creating banger dialogue, and I think that's a shame.

And while I have mostly complained about that single line, I think that the characters overall could be heavily improved, I really don't like the existance of gregory in the way that it does now. That sense of danger that the world inherently created, he removes it. The way he just delivers these transparent funny lines, and the plot armour both characters has kina just kill a lot of the more action/tension focused moments

because that's another thing, they clearly have a lot of plot armour, the characters do clearly make the wrong choice at times, but they're never punished for it. There is no consequence for their actions, at the end of the day thigns will probably be alright, and I think that is a shame, I feel with the aesthetic and ideas of this show, actually just having those consequences would make the show 20 times better

If the characters could be damaged in any way, if they didn't feel like they had to deliver those jokes, the actual message and plot would be so much more powerful and memorable, if we could just have a scene of a character actually losing their fucking mind amist the absolutely nightmarish ambient, just because they made a wrong choice that they really didn't have that many chances of actually seeing through it, showcassing the clearly unfair situation they were placed in and being forced to reconciliate and adapt to it, learning from their previous action and pushing forward, that would be so fucking sick you cant even begin to imagine it

but that is what I personally wanted the show to be like, and what it seemed to be pointing at with chapter 2, however we got to actually sit down and realize that this is a cartoon network show, that this in a way, it's still directed at kids. In that context these characters works and the plot armour makes sense.

For as much as the "Animation is not just for kids" is absolutely true, it's not really the case. The medium of animation isn't really necessarily for kids, however, in western countries, the only companies with the creative directors and the money to make shows happen have rules that forces the shows to be kid-friendly

That really makes me wonder, if this same director were given the opportunity to have made the show with the same resources but without the limitations cartoon network has, what would they have done?. It's just a shame IMO that something with so much potential had to be trimmed down this way, and while it's still a really good western animated show, (one of the better ones i've seen tbh), it could have been so, so much more

it's just, knowing that structure and those limitations, I don't think I need to really tell you how this show ends, you already know how, you already know what happens and what does not happen, so i'm not really going to talk about any more specific chapters

tldr: good show but god I wish we had someone actually pushing for good animated shows not directed at children

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next: contagion
still haven't really progressed in stellaris
still haven't started Uramiya Honpo

glad you seemed to like it honestly my favorite cartoon

I dropped Uramiya Honpo, kinda just read the start, but idk, it didn't really feel interesting, the story feels so unfocused, things kinda just happens, idk what am I supposed to be looking at with this, honestly i've re-read the first volume seeing if I had missed anything but it didn't seem so. Idk, It's just not my thing I guess




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next: metalocalypse (TV show)
next: G-darius (Game)
nothing more to read

Watch The Flying Luna Clipper (1987)

https://myanimelist.net/anime/39020/Flying_Luna_Clipper

MAL link above.

eblf2013 wrote:

Watch The Flying Luna Clipper (1987)

https://myanimelist.net/anime/39020/Flying_Luna_Clipper

MAL link above.

I will, added to the list

You never cease to amaze me Patatitta. You are quite active on this forum.

nekonyo wrote:

You never cease to amaze me Patatitta. You are quite active on this forum.

been here for like at least 2 years, it's actually quite nice ngl

Watch Children of Men

Karmine wrote:

Watch Children of Men

will do

Analyze the character of v1 from ultrakillyourself

Like, why is he doing this and blah blah blah

Dementedjet wrote:

Analyze the character of v1 from ultrakillyourself

Like, why is he doing this and blah blah blah

I mean, while I do love ultrakill (it's my favourite shooter), I feel focusing on the characters and story is in a way missing the point of the game, since it's clear that they didn't put as much effort and passion into the lore compared to that one fishing level, so I don't really think that analyzing v1 would be particullary interesting

g-darius: I did not know this game beforehand but yeah, I don't think I can analyze an arcade shoot em up game, I mostly analyze plots and stuff so idk what to really say, i'm not tim rogers, sorry

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metalocalypse analysis:

for contet, i've only watched the first season of this show, and that is because it is like good fast food, you can keep eating it but you really shouldn't, so I think just one kebab is enough

metalocalypse is a western animation "adult" comedy tv show about a band named dethlok, which are at the same time the most popular band of all time and also the heaviest band of all time

there isn't much of a plot, it is not episodic, but the plot really doesn't matter, as it still does have a story structure of a episodic show, so for the first 2 episodes you may be surprised at certain things until you realize that you're just going to see that joke repeated 22 aditional times

the jokes are very lazy, and in some scenario it looks like they tried harder to make it offensive or disgusting to watch than acutally funny, however, and the reason why I did not drop it, they actually have some funny jokes more often than not, but honestly that is saying more about my bad tastes than anything else.

My personal favourite joke was a scene i nthe control room where they go "dethlok is currently the 13th biggest economy on earth", I thought that was just funny, but then, the way they follow up that joke 12 chapters later (which, to be fair, they at least TRIED to follow up the joke unlike other comedies), is "dethlok has surpassed belgium and is now the 12th biggest economy on earth" which it just feels like you just made the exact same joke again more than really followed it up

and, as it seems to be a typical thing in these reviews, I dont think this trying to be child-friendly somewhat is hurting the product more than else for me, someoen who is definitively not 7yo currently. Because for as many people die brutal deaths, they will censor out swears, and I mean, the band just doesn't look that heavy because things like that, if they aren't allowed to add a swear imagine the shit they wanted to add that they were denied

there is nothing really else to this show, just average comedy really

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next: Revolutionary Girl Utena movie

Revolutionary Girl Utena: The Adolescence of Utena:


I have absolutely no fucking clue what just happened in this movie

The start I did get tho, and I do think in some ways I like it more than the original anime, the sitation seems to be more clear, the animation is better (expected from a movie), and it overall makes more sense, it's also somehow gayer than the original anime which I did not think it was possible

but now, for the rest of the movie, I actually cant really say anything because i've actually just didn't understasnd it LMAO

like unironically i'm completely lost and looking online doesn't really seem to help


next: cyberpunk: edgerunners

cyberpunk edgerunners:


first of all, I haven't played cyberpunk, but enither has anyone who has watched this anime so lmao

This anime was alright, I have some issues with it but it comes down more to personal preference than it actually being bad or whatever.

I think the first thing that anyone will mention when talking about this anime is the animation and OST, which yeah, they're fucking amazing, but unless they're really really wack (which it is not, it's just really polished), it cant carry an entire anime or show, so while it is good, we aren't talking about hylics here, for better or for worse

I don't have issue with that, my main problem is with the actual plot itself, and that is, I just dont like action, and this anime is just really a regular, really well animated action anime on a cybperpunk setting, because as much as this anime tries to be cyberpunk, they dont really take that much advantage of the setting that much IMO.

There are one or two scenes that are in fact quite good yes, and that they required it to be cyberpunk, but I feel a lot of those concepts aren't really explored enough, instead, they just go "oh yeah we're cyberpunk we can replace a part of our body if we want to", but I don't think it actually explores transhumanism that much, they just say that it's something that you can do, and they use that in the anime, but only to boost the action scenes, which by some people it will be fine, but I just dont personally like that

also, there are a lot of scenes too that just feel like LOOK WE ARE CYBERPUNK WE HAVE NAKED GIRLS AND BOOBS AND PORN AND SEX, and it doesn't really do anything with it, again, it just mentions something that happens or you can do in a cyberpunk setting, but it doesn't really do anything with it

in fact, it's this element that I feel makes cyberpunk struggle to really stand up in the cyberpunk genre, as a lot of what edgerunners does, I feel blade runner 2049 did it first.

I feel cyberpunk only really starts to shine at around chapter 8, and that is when they really explore what over-modding your body can cause, as they have to deal with the consequences of accidently having murdered a civilian and they show them actually lose control of their body, this is amazing, I wish the entire show was about this. Instead, they just happen to have really big tolerance for that stuff and they mod it even further in order to sacrifice themselves to defeat big bad,

I know why does this anime exist and why does it has as much of a budget, it's CD projekt red, netflix and studio trigger, and cyberpunk 2077 was a game that they really were pushing hard even if it had a rocky launch, however, I feel ultra heaven really does fix a lot of the issues that I pointed it out here, like actually abusing the cyberpunk nature of the world. I just wish they adapted that instead but I get why this did not happen

action scenes are cool tho

next: Shinsekai Yori

play andy's apple farm on steam
it's pretty good imo

lostsilver wrote:

play andy's apple farm on steam
it's pretty good imo

I would normally not play horror but this does seem like mascot horror which isn't really scary so I will try it out

Patatitta wrote:

lostsilver wrote:

play andy's apple farm on steam
it's pretty good imo

I would normally not play horror but this does seem like mascot horror which isn't really scary so I will try it out

alr!!
it's got a good story too

lostsilver wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

lostsilver wrote:

play andy's apple farm on steam
it's pretty good imo

I would normally not play horror but this does seem like mascot horror which isn't really scary so I will try it out

alr!!
it's got a good story too

that game was WAY shorter I expected it to be (also, I don't know if you actually read these in full, I have some comments directed at YOU specifically lostsilver, so please read that last bit in it's ENTIRETY, sorry if it's too long, but I really have stuff I want to tell you, I would make it shorter but it would just feel like i'm gatekeeping and shit if I try to do so)

andy's apple farm analysis:

this is an early access game, I don't know the devs or anything like that, but given as the game was 20 minute long, it was released in 2021, we're almost in 2023 and there is still no chapter 2, I wouldn't put too much faith on there actually being mroe chapters, so I will talk about it as an standalone game

first of all, as I predicted, this game isn't really scary, the ambient itself is not scary, and the jumpscares are so predictible it doesn't really matter. Not only that, but it's easy to see how the game is coded after one or two events, so you know that if you just run into the character that is trying to chase you, and let them get you, that it's not actually bad and it's the way the game is supposed to be advanced, so it really removes any tension in order to do that

I don't play many horror games, I'm a coward as I said, but I feel that if you want to make something scary, you must abstract and obscure how the game operates, so you cant just do what I did

there isn't much in the way of gameplay, as it's basically purely narrative, however, the way the plot is actually delivered is in this very game-theory baity way. What I mean by that is that the game is made to be confusing, and it's not like a regular confusing game, that you can later kinda just think about it, recall all the events and really understand it, but, they put lots of lore in text that only appear for like 3 frames, which means: you aren't going to catch it, and you're not actually going to understand the plot after you finish playing it

the only way you can really manage to actually read the lore and understand it, is if you somehow are able to freeze on those frames, and the only way to really do it is either if you have god-like reflexes and manage to screenshot it the frame text appears before it dissapears, or if you just so happen that you're recording, since you can go frame by frame in the video

if you wanted to discover all the lore by yourself, once encountered one of these elements, you would need to create a new save file entirely, and then get to that point recording, and then watch the recording back to really get it, this is not good story-telling, this is hard to access for the sake of it being hard to access

let's say you actually did all of that, now we have the lore, that kinda does describe the backstory of some of the characters and stuff, now what?, what we have is basically a backstory, are we going to see the story unfold?, well, not really, since that isn't really on the game, and I know that it is a early access and there is only 1 chapter, but you should have at least have some payoff and actually some story in play on an early access verison of the game, you shouldn't release a game like this with only 1 chapter if that chapter is only backstory, this is like releasing a game but only the tutorial



now, directed at lostsilver i'm aware how you would find a game like this, you probably saw a gampeplay from markiplier or any other big youtuber that covers these type of games, however, you must know that there is a difference between games that make for good viewing experiences, and games with good gameplay experiences, some games are better on video that on gameplay, some are the opposite. This is better viewed that played. I don't blame you for seeing a video and believing that this is a good game, because it is made to feel that way.

Not only that, but these game are algorythmic games, these is a short early-access game, that basically ceased developement apparently, that tried to profit on the mascot horror/analog horror youtube trend that was booming at that time, you could probably say that this game is a cash-grab and it would be really hard to prove otherwise

so now, how would you, lostsilver, be able find great gameplay games? for example, my favourite game of all time is disco elysium, which is absolutely NOT a youtube game, in fact, if you search it on youtube, you probably wont find any gameplays by big name creators

well, you either must curate were you get recommendations from, or learn how to properly analyze a videogame and really learn for yourself how to identify these type of games. The second you will get with experience as you get older and play more diverse stuff, because that's the other thing, dont just limit yourself to youtube/markiplier games, but explore the entire market

look at videogame review websites (metacritic, steam250, glitchwave, etc) and try whatever they catch your interest from the generally well reviewed games (keep in mind, a lot of the time a lower score with a lot more reviews is better than a high score with low ammount of reviewers!). Look in youtube at games that you have personally enjoyed without watching a full gameplay of it before, and look at what other videogames those people have uploaded, maybe watch the first 5 minuet of one of those gameplay, and decide to play it yourself without watching the rest

ask around for friends, ask what their favourite videogames are, look at videogame publishers that have published games that you like. and do this often, try to open your views on the gaming market as much as possible, try those free epic games you claimed that you never played, even if you end up disliking them, the fact that you have now played it, you know more about yourself and what genres you like, and you will be able to find better games in the future

the game market is full fo people that will try to sell games on trends and just try to make a quick cash, the most clear example of this would be something like garten of banban, so please, be able to identify garten of banban's by yourself. If you enjoy some of those games it's totally fine, but I feel that there isn't really any harm on going really outside of your comfort zone, because maybe you will find a experience that will blow you away, in fact that is the reason why i'm making this thread! I want to see all that I have yet to really explore, and so far, i'm finding some really good stuff!

my personal recommendation if you want a game similar like this one but that I personally think is way better, try pony island, it's also analog stuff, but it was created before that really became popular and it's an honest to god really good game, if you want more game recommendation just tell me, tell me games that you enjoy or genres you want to explore and I will give you recommendations, i've been playing games for all my life so I believe I can really give you a good list. And even If I have told you that I'm a coward that hates horror, my brother does not, so even if you want horror recommendation, I can ask him for recommendations that I can forward to you, just reply to this thread, talk to me in osu dm's or on discord (my nick is "patatitta")

I'm not saying your likings are invalid or anything like that, but I just feel you're in a way really limiting your scope with these type of games, and I feel you could probably find a new favourite game of all time if you just look a little bit, so please, let me try to help you and give you some recommendations, even if I fail and you hate those games, please, let me try

(these tips also apply to everyone, hell, even I can really give recommendations to anyone who asks, not just for games either. But I'm mainly mentioning lostsilver since they are the one person who recommended this game)

also, if money is a concern, piracy is morally correct if you are not able to buy the game anyways, I know of safe resoruces to really pirate from, so I can also give you all of those

(again, i'm heavily sorry that this was this long, but yeah, I hope you understand where i'm coming from)

Patatitta wrote:

lostsilver wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

lostsilver wrote:

play andy's apple farm on steam
it's pretty good imo

I would normally not play horror but this does seem like mascot horror which isn't really scary so I will try it out

alr!!
it's got a good story too

that game was WAY shorter I expected it to be (also, I don't know if you actually read these in full, I have some comments directed at YOU specifically lostsilver, so please read that last bit in it's ENTIRETY, sorry if it's too long, but I really have stuff I want to tell you, I would make it shorter but it would just feel like i'm gatekeeping and shit if I try to do so)

andy's apple farm analysis:

this is an early access game, I don't know the devs or anything like that, but given as the game was 20 minute long, it was released in 2021, we're almost in 2023 and there is still no chapter 2, I wouldn't put too much faith on there actually being mroe chapters, so I will talk about it as an standalone game

first of all, as I predicted, this game isn't really scary, the ambient itself is not scary, and the jumpscares are so predictible it doesn't really matter. Not only that, but it's easy to see how the game is coded after one or two events, so you know that if you just run into the character that is trying to chase you, and let them get you, that it's not actually bad and it's the way the game is supposed to be advanced, so it really removes any tension in order to do that

I don't play many horror games, I'm a coward as I said, but I feel that if you want to make something scary, you must abstract and obscure how the game operates, so you cant just do what I did

there isn't much in the way of gameplay, as it's basically purely narrative, however, the way the plot is actually delivered is in this very game-theory baity way. What I mean by that is that the game is made to be confusing, and it's not like a regular confusing game, that you can later kinda just think about it, recall all the events and really understand it, but, they put lots of lore in text that only appear for like 3 frames, which means: you aren't going to catch it, and you're not actually going to understand the plot after you finish playing it

the only way you can really manage to actually read the lore and understand it, is if you somehow are able to freeze on those frames, and the only way to really do it is either if you have god-like reflexes and manage to screenshot it the frame text appears before it dissapears, or if you just so happen that you're recording, since you can go frame by frame in the video

if you wanted to discover all the lore by yourself, once encountered one of these elements, you would need to create a new save file entirely, and then get to that point recording, and then watch the recording back to really get it, this is not good story-telling, this is hard to access for the sake of it being hard to access

let's say you actually did all of that, now we have the lore, that kinda does describe the backstory of some of the characters and stuff, now what?, what we have is basically a backstory, are we going to see the story unfold?, well, not really, since that isn't really on the game, and I know that it is a early access and there is only 1 chapter, but you should have at least have some payoff and actually some story in play on an early access verison of the game, you shouldn't release a game like this with only 1 chapter if that chapter is only backstory, this is like releasing a game but only the tutorial



now, directed at lostsilver i'm aware how you would find a game like this, you probably saw a gampeplay from markiplier or any other big youtuber that covers these type of games, however, you must know that there is a difference between games that make for good viewing experiences, and games with good gameplay experiences, some games are better on video that on gameplay, this is one of those games. I don't blame you for seeing a video and believing that this is a good game, because it is made to feel that way.

Not only that, but these game are algorythmic games, these is a short early-access game, that basically ceased developement apparently, that tried to profit on the mascot horror/analog horror youtube trend that was booming at that time, you could probably say that this game is a cash-grab and it would be really hard to prove otherwise

so now, how would you, lostsilver, be able find great gameplay games? for example, my favourite game of all time is disco elysium, which is absolutely NOT a youtube game, in fact, if you search it on youtube, you probably wont find any gameplays by big name creators

well, you either must curate were you get recommendations from, or learn how to properly analyze a videogame and really learn for yourself how to identify these type of games. The second you will get with experience as you get older and play more diverse stuff, because that's the other thing, dont just limit yourself to youtube/markiplier games, but explore the entire market

look at videogame review websites (metacritic, steam250, glitchwave, etc) and try whatever they catch your interest from the generally well reviewed games (keep in mind, a lot of the time a lower score with a lot more reviews is better than a high score with low ammount of reviewers!), look in youtube at games that you have personally enjoyed without watching a full gameplay of it before, and look at what other videogames those people have uploaded, maybe watch the first 5 minuet of one of those gameplay, and decide to play it yourself without watching the rest

ask around for friends, ask what their favourite videogames are, look at videogame publishers that have published games that you like, and do this often, try to open your views on the gaming market as much as possible, try those free epic games you claimed that you never played, even if you end up disliking them, the fact that you have now played it, you know more about yourself and what genres you like, and you will be able to find better games in the future

the game market is full fo people that will try to sell games on trends and just try to make a quick cash, the most clear example of this would be something like garten of banban, so please, be able to identify garten of banban's by yourself, If you enjoy some of those games it's totally fine, but I feel that there isn't really any harm on going really outside of your comfort zone, because maybe you will find a experience that will blow you away, in fact that is the reason why i'm making this thread! I want to see all that I have yet to really explore, and so far, i'm finding some really good stuff!

my personal recommendation if you want a game similar like this one but that I personally think is way better, try pony island, it's also analog stuff, but it was created before that really became popular and it's an honest to god really good game, if you want more game recommendation just tell me, tell me games that you enjoy or genres you want to explore and I will give you recommendations, i've been playing games for all my life so I believe I can really give you a good list, and even If I have told you that I'm a coward that hates horror, my brother does not, so even if you want horror recommendation, I can ask him for recommendations that I can forward to you, just reply to this thread, talk to me in osu dm's or on discord (my nick is "patatitta")

I'm not saying your likings are invalid or anything like that, but I just feel you're in a way really limiting your scope with these type of games, and I feel you could probably find a new favourite game of all time if you just look a little bit, so please, let me try to help you and give you some recommendations, even if I fail and you hate those games, please, let me try

(these tips also apply to everyone, hell, even I can really give recommendations to anyone who asks, not just for games either. But I'm mainly mentioning lostsilver since they are the one person who recommended this game)

also, if money is a concern, piracy is morally correct if you are not able to buy the game anyways, I know of safe resoruces to really pirate from, so I can also give you all of those

(again, i'm heavily sorry that this was this long, but yeah, I hope you understand where i'm coming from)

this made my adhd really stressed

but anyway:
i understand if the game wasn't great to you, i liked it for the story, of which i completely understood after deep diving into it. i didn't find this from a big youtuber, by the way. i found this game by myself and wanted to try it. i really like the premise of the story and lore, but i do think it could've been executed better aswell. again, i understand if you didn't like it, i just like it for the story. thank you so much for the analysis by the way! also, i'm a coward too so i don't want any horror recommendations :/

lostsilver wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

lostsilver wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

lostsilver wrote:

play andy's apple farm on steam
it's pretty good imo

I would normally not play horror but this does seem like mascot horror which isn't really scary so I will try it out

alr!!
it's got a good story too

that game was WAY shorter I expected it to be (also, I don't know if you actually read these in full, I have some comments directed at YOU specifically lostsilver, so please read that last bit in it's ENTIRETY, sorry if it's too long, but I really have stuff I want to tell you, I would make it shorter but it would just feel like i'm gatekeeping and shit if I try to do so)

andy's apple farm analysis:

this is an early access game, I don't know the devs or anything like that, but given as the game was 20 minute long, it was released in 2021, we're almost in 2023 and there is still no chapter 2, I wouldn't put too much faith on there actually being mroe chapters, so I will talk about it as an standalone game

first of all, as I predicted, this game isn't really scary, the ambient itself is not scary, and the jumpscares are so predictible it doesn't really matter. Not only that, but it's easy to see how the game is coded after one or two events, so you know that if you just run into the character that is trying to chase you, and let them get you, that it's not actually bad and it's the way the game is supposed to be advanced, so it really removes any tension in order to do that

I don't play many horror games, I'm a coward as I said, but I feel that if you want to make something scary, you must abstract and obscure how the game operates, so you cant just do what I did

there isn't much in the way of gameplay, as it's basically purely narrative, however, the way the plot is actually delivered is in this very game-theory baity way. What I mean by that is that the game is made to be confusing, and it's not like a regular confusing game, that you can later kinda just think about it, recall all the events and really understand it, but, they put lots of lore in text that only appear for like 3 frames, which means: you aren't going to catch it, and you're not actually going to understand the plot after you finish playing it

the only way you can really manage to actually read the lore and understand it, is if you somehow are able to freeze on those frames, and the only way to really do it is either if you have god-like reflexes and manage to screenshot it the frame text appears before it dissapears, or if you just so happen that you're recording, since you can go frame by frame in the video

if you wanted to discover all the lore by yourself, once encountered one of these elements, you would need to create a new save file entirely, and then get to that point recording, and then watch the recording back to really get it, this is not good story-telling, this is hard to access for the sake of it being hard to access

let's say you actually did all of that, now we have the lore, that kinda does describe the backstory of some of the characters and stuff, now what?, what we have is basically a backstory, are we going to see the story unfold?, well, not really, since that isn't really on the game, and I know that it is a early access and there is only 1 chapter, but you should have at least have some payoff and actually some story in play on an early access verison of the game, you shouldn't release a game like this with only 1 chapter if that chapter is only backstory, this is like releasing a game but only the tutorial



now, directed at lostsilver i'm aware how you would find a game like this, you probably saw a gampeplay from markiplier or any other big youtuber that covers these type of games, however, you must know that there is a difference between games that make for good viewing experiences, and games with good gameplay experiences, some games are better on video that on gameplay, this is one of those games. I don't blame you for seeing a video and believing that this is a good game, because it is made to feel that way.

Not only that, but these game are algorythmic games, these is a short early-access game, that basically ceased developement apparently, that tried to profit on the mascot horror/analog horror youtube trend that was booming at that time, you could probably say that this game is a cash-grab and it would be really hard to prove otherwise

so now, how would you, lostsilver, be able find great gameplay games? for example, my favourite game of all time is disco elysium, which is absolutely NOT a youtube game, in fact, if you search it on youtube, you probably wont find any gameplays by big name creators

well, you either must curate were you get recommendations from, or learn how to properly analyze a videogame and really learn for yourself how to identify these type of games. The second you will get with experience as you get older and play more diverse stuff, because that's the other thing, dont just limit yourself to youtube/markiplier games, but explore the entire market

look at videogame review websites (metacritic, steam250, glitchwave, etc) and try whatever they catch your interest from the generally well reviewed games (keep in mind, a lot of the time a lower score with a lot more reviews is better than a high score with low ammount of reviewers!), look in youtube at games that you have personally enjoyed without watching a full gameplay of it before, and look at what other videogames those people have uploaded, maybe watch the first 5 minuet of one of those gameplay, and decide to play it yourself without watching the rest

ask around for friends, ask what their favourite videogames are, look at videogame publishers that have published games that you like, and do this often, try to open your views on the gaming market as much as possible, try those free epic games you claimed that you never played, even if you end up disliking them, the fact that you have now played it, you know more about yourself and what genres you like, and you will be able to find better games in the future

the game market is full fo people that will try to sell games on trends and just try to make a quick cash, the most clear example of this would be something like garten of banban, so please, be able to identify garten of banban's by yourself, If you enjoy some of those games it's totally fine, but I feel that there isn't really any harm on going really outside of your comfort zone, because maybe you will find a experience that will blow you away, in fact that is the reason why i'm making this thread! I want to see all that I have yet to really explore, and so far, i'm finding some really good stuff!

my personal recommendation if you want a game similar like this one but that I personally think is way better, try pony island, it's also analog stuff, but it was created before that really became popular and it's an honest to god really good game, if you want more game recommendation just tell me, tell me games that you enjoy or genres you want to explore and I will give you recommendations, i've been playing games for all my life so I believe I can really give you a good list, and even If I have told you that I'm a coward that hates horror, my brother does not, so even if you want horror recommendation, I can ask him for recommendations that I can forward to you, just reply to this thread, talk to me in osu dm's or on discord (my nick is "patatitta")

I'm not saying your likings are invalid or anything like that, but I just feel you're in a way really limiting your scope with these type of games, and I feel you could probably find a new favourite game of all time if you just look a little bit, so please, let me try to help you and give you some recommendations, even if I fail and you hate those games, please, let me try

(these tips also apply to everyone, hell, even I can really give recommendations to anyone who asks, not just for games either. But I'm mainly mentioning lostsilver since they are the one person who recommended this game)

also, if money is a concern, piracy is morally correct if you are not able to buy the game anyways, I know of safe resoruces to really pirate from, so I can also give you all of those

(again, i'm heavily sorry that this was this long, but yeah, I hope you understand where i'm coming from)

this made my adhd really stressed

but anyway:
i understand if the game wasn't great to you, i liked it for the story, of which i completely understood after deep diving into it. i didn't find this from a big youtuber, by the way. i found this game by myself and wanted to try it. i really like the premise of the story and lore, but i do think it could've been executed better aswell. again, i understand if you didn't like it, i just like it for the story. thank you so much for the analysis by the way!

I still would advice anyone to really try to make their scope in anything bigger, so I still feel you should try doing any of the things I really listed there, and for anyone else reading this, trust me, you wont regret it

i almost forgot i requested something here and then realized it's been at the bottom of the list the entire time. oof

you can use yuzu or ryujinx to emulate the game if you want to, i'm not going to yell at you if you do (don't know what was kodaka thinking by making this a switch exclusive lol)

i have another suggestion which is shorter, more accesible and definitely not a weird-ass game in the slightest:

The Coffin of Andy and Leyley

Serraionga wrote:

i almost forgot i requested something here and then realized it's been at the bottom of the list the entire time. oof

you can use yuzu or ryujinx to emulate the game if you want to, i'm not going to yell at you if you do (don't know what was kodaka thinking by making this a switch exclusive lol)

i have another suggestion which is shorter, more accesible and definitely not a weird-ass game in the slightest:

The Coffin of Andy and Leyley

oh the incest game, I can try it out yeah,

anyways, I can try emulating it, tbh I haven't tried, was too busy also with all the other reqs, but now that i've went throguh almost all of them, I think I can try it out, will see tomorrow anyways


tomorrow update: I got rain code to work, so far it's good

I was mainly focusing on beating rain code, but I didn't want to keep it playing it and I was kinda bored so I decided to check the coffin of andy and leyley
when in my previous post I said "oh the incest game" I was just following the meme I had heard. Now I get it

I didn't like this game, in fact, I would say I pretty much hate it, I honestly dont get the appeal, and i'm not saying it like I have a clue in my heard but I dont want to admit it so i'm saying this, i'm being completely honest when I say I don't get the appeal

This game is a narrative puzzle-ish game, so think the same gameplay loop as OneShot, just solve little puzzles and just enjoy the good plot. While i'm awful at puzzole games and I had to end up using a guide to solve a few of OneShot's puzzles. I can see how would you have solved them, and some of them were quite clever. However, with andy and leyley, these puzzles just comes down to spam Z with every interactable object until you hit the solution. This is not because the puzzles are hard, but because there are MULTIPLE solutions to each problem, however the game will only choose own, so I'm many cases I had an idea on how to solve something, and then I just couldn't interact with the object that would have solved that whole situation

to be fair, I did also skip some puzzles in OneShot as I said before and I fucking loved that game, however, with andy and leyley, the plot is in my personal opinion just really weird and uncomfortable. My biggest problem are just the two protagonist, they're both very unlikeable pieces of shit. However I feel you must connect with the characters somewhat which I just dont get.

Unlikable protagonist aren't itself bad, there are many games and stories where the main guy just sucks, the problem is when the plot is entirely character-based, and so far, there hasn't been any real consequence for any of their actions. It's just a game where you watch two incestuous psychopath (and no, they dont have any justification of why they're this way) run around and do uncomfortable shit with bad puzzles until the game ends, i'm sorry if i'm being way more negative with this game than with many others that I did not enjoy but I just actually hate this game

now, this game has routes, however I don't think they do it particullary well?, I feel they're two type of routes in videogames. The one that are just very clear cut choices which you know the consequences, so think something like undertale, and the ones where it's a lot of little actions that you don't realize they're really contributing to an ending however they do, so think disco elysium. This is more similar to the second half, however, they dont pull it off nearly as well as disco elysium, at least in my opinion

disco elysium ending is itself just a can of worms of game design, probably one of the hardest things to analyze just because how off the wall and how different it is to literally every other videogame ever. But the gist of it is that when you start roleplaying as your character, and take the choices you think are right, at the end of the game, you will get an ending that's appropiate for your actions and personality as a player, so it's an ending that while it may be less different than something like undertale, it will probably have a bigger impact to you as a person. But, as I said, the character's here are unlikeable, so you wont really ever get into their skin, so you're being forced between multiple choices you dont want to make, and being forced into a route that you didn't knew it was possible to avoid, this just doesn't really work for me

To give the game some credit, the art is really good, I think that's as far as compliments I can give

now, this game was successful, very succesful, people do like it, you probably recommended this because you like this game, so there is something that this game has that i'm just not seeing, at least it's how it feels like, It does feel like i'm missing the point of the game here

but really, what's the point?, it's a character-based story, with a branching narrative, but the characters are unlikable, I only see anyone really getting into this game if they can relate to the protagonist, but then, the game doesn't seem to say anything just yet, because the game is in fucking early access so there isn't even a payoff to the story just yet.

I unironically just dont get this game

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updates: finished chapter 14 for shinsekai yori, and i'm really enjoying it
I'm still at the start of rain code, but so far it's a pretty good game

Well since you're running low on requests...

Watch Boogiepop (Both versions. 2019 recommended to be watched first).

eblf2013 wrote:

Well since you're running low on requests...

Watch Boogiepop (Both versions. 2019 recommended to be watched first).

sure

Patatitta wrote:

now, this game was successful, very succesful, people do like it, you probably recommended this because you like this game, so there is something that this game has that i'm just not seeing, at least it's how it feels like, It does feel like i'm missing the point of the game here

hahaha

i think the game is OK but i didn't expect it to re-invent the wheel or anything, it's an RPG maker game made (mostly?) by one person after all, we can only have so many of these and be revolutionary

i, too, wanted to see if this game had anything special going on besides le funny incest memegame Xdd so it's good to see we have similar views on it. hopefully it gets better when all the chapters get released
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anyway, have you played mother 3? i can give you a translated rom if you can't find one

Serraionga wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

now, this game was successful, very succesful, people do like it, you probably recommended this because you like this game, so there is something that this game has that i'm just not seeing, at least it's how it feels like, It does feel like i'm missing the point of the game here

hahaha

i think the game is OK but i didn't expect it to re-invent the wheel or anything, it's an RPG maker game made (mostly?) by one person after all, we can only have so many of these and be revolutionary

i, too, wanted to see if this game had anything special going on besides le funny incest memegame Xdd so it's good to see we have similar views on it. hopefully it gets better when all the chapters get released
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anyway, have you played mother 3? i can give you a translated rom if you can't find one

oh yeah mother 3 was great, more of a fan of earthbound tho, can text-wall about any of those two if you want to, even if I played it a while back now

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cephaphysic wrote:

pata can you wall-text about disco elysium i really want to see what you have to say about it

disco elysium is my favourite game of all time, however, it's not an easy game to talk about, like, at all, look at the average length of your typical disco elysium analysis, if I truly were to go in depth I would need to write something that's as long as those videos



disco elysium isn't just a videogame for you to play and have fun with it. Disco elysium is art in it's purest form. It doesn't feel like it's trying to be fun, if you play disco you know what you've signed up for, and the game will remind you of it

The game in essence is a cRPG developped in estonia by a bunch of depressed communists. The premise of the game is simple, you're an insomniac detective who just woke up from a night of pure drinking in your hotel room, you learn that there is a corpse hanged up to a tree in a back-yard. Another detective by the name of kim kitsuragi also just arrived to the scene, and it's your duty to try solving the case

the actual gameplay is just pure dialogue, you read text, and then you click on the thing you want your character to say or do, there is no combat or anything here, this game is an interactive book. There are also permanent choices, that have a % chance of succcess depending on the stats of your character, that chance however can never be 100% or 0% success, and in fact, there are some checks that is better to actually fail than to succeed at.

However, the game is much more than a murder mistery, that murder mistery is just a medium for the game to disscuss politics and philosophy, nothing about "games must be apolitical", this game is hardcore, applicable to the real world, politics. And that is, because everyone in reality does have some sort of politial ideology, and when you try interviewing people for you to solve the crime, you can see that political ideology leaking in, and you can either answer to support what the person is saying, or to not, in fact, some side quests require to support certain political characters or groups. The main ideology this game represents are Fascism, Communism, Capitalism, and being a centrist. If you think some of the choices are a bit too extreme, dont worry, it's this way by design



There was a meme a while back saying "every copy of mario 64 is personalized!", however, every copy of disco elysium is actually personalized. There are hundreds of dialogue choices, and all of them matter, only a few hours in your playthrough is already going to be very different to the playthrough of any other person, there are also multiple endings to the game depending on the choices you make, and also luck

In this way, the RNG also works to differentiate your playthrough even further, not only that, but the RNG works as a way for you to avoid min-maxing the game and playing it following your true feelings. If you cant guarantee anything, why bother grinding it really

These dialogue choices at the start may seem kinda normal, however, the game is actually gauging your personality in the background, every choice has an impact on something, so just after a while of playing, the game will know perfectly how you are as a person, and will change some of the dialogue for other dialogue to say stuff that is relevant to you, to challenge YOUR political ideologies, to challenge YOUR philosophy. That combined with the beautifully written dialogue will give for moments that will truly impact you as a person, and it even doesn't really matter if you didn't have too many clears ideas on those more complex issues from before you played disco elysium, after you finish it, you will probably know more about yourself as a person from before you started the game.

This game is a cRPG, a computer roleplaying game, and while in many RPG you can just not roleplay and just troll or min-max or whatever, you cant do that for disco, as the only to not really RP while playing disco would be lying to yourself, and the game WILL call you out on it.

That's the core of the game, however, every fucking design choice in this game goes contrary to the industry standard. Most of the ways a story is told, you know a lot of the world, if you're reading a book it may even include a map of the world like with something with lord of the rings. You may be reading in a third person perspective with a narrator that will give you more information than the protagonist have, or you maybe can understand the design principles going into a certain piece of media to be able to successfully predict future twists or ideas, disco isn't this way. The world is bigger than you, there will be doors that you will never be able to open and explore, you will never see what the world was really before or after you left it, you don't know the backstories of any of the characters beforehand, you cant predict the game, you dont deserve to know about the actual game as you're just one of the many characters. You as a player dont have more worth than a npc

The actual philosophy of disco is... weird, and i'm not qualified enough to talk about it, but it does seem every person has a different interpretation of disco. I've seen debate over what the actual name of the game means, and if we haven't even reached a conclusion on what the words disco elysium actually means, you know you're going to be fucked trying to piece a full proof argument on the game.

Art exists for a reason, there is a reason why someone would draw a book depicting an idea instead of just writting a little summary on why they think x is bad, and that is, because art conveys feelings. A lot of feelings. With disco elysium those feelings are extremely complex, and it's actually nearly impossible to describe what disco elysium actually feels like to me, I don't have the vocabulary. Even by writting this is in a way prioritizing some feelings over others, because many of the ideas feel like they contradict, however you dont feel like there is anything wrong with it, however, when you write about it, you cant really contradict yourself in the same way and keep the same emotions.

A lot of the game feels like it's impossible, like the ending. By any metrics and following the bases of any review or literally analysis i've seen in my life, the finale is just bad. However, when you reach the ending, even if it feels like it's objectevely unfair, frustrating, unsatisfactory, underwhelming, an insult to you as a person, and a contradiction to everything you've been led to believe while playing disco, the finale is good, really good.

It's this reason why every disco elysium video is at least one hour long, and that none of the video actually share any ideas with the other videos, disco is such a fucking wild experience that it's nearly impossible to correctly portray. You can't have a matpat video here explaining a theory that supposedly resolves the game, such explanation does not seem to exist.

This games goes DEEP too, it doesn't just try to argue for certain philosophical ideas, it shows how those ideas can change a person, how that person change can change other person. This game tries to describe how you would join a political extreme, why would you want to believe that, why sometimes being radical is needed, why sometimes being racial is a bad idea, what does it mean to believe in a political ideology, it shows that not having a political ideology on itself is a political ideology. It talks about love, about breakup, about depression, about addiction, about racism, about police, about the paranormal, about disco music, about death, about mental disorders, about deligion. Disco elysium can mean whatever you want it to mean, as what disco elysium teachs you is a way of thinking, not just an idea.

If you internalize what disco elysium tells you, you will learn many things. If you decide to put on the same lenses that disco elysium instructs you to use while playing the game for another videogame, you will understand shit, and probably be more depressed on the end, but that's just a side effect. In many ways, it does really make you think different about the fnaf movie and this is actually not a joke, disco elysium changed the way I see art in the first place, in many ways it's unfair to compair disco to most videogames, since disco tries to be much, much more

The game currently is on a weird legal ground, basically the developpers dont get any money, so it's morably justifiable to download it over the seven seas, so feel free to do so if you want to give this masterpiece a try, there is a 2 hour video by people make games where they try breaking it down, nothing about disco elysium can be simple it seems

I haven't really touched much on the actual message of disco elysium, honesly I feel all of this falls short. but I think it's just clear why, you could try watching one of those video analysis but I dont promise you will understand much after you watch two different ones

sorry, you posted this while I was writting that post

Winnyace wrote:

Review Saints Row 2

I never played saints row 1 or any saints row, do I need to play it to understand 2?
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updates: still finishing shinsekai yori, i'm at chapter 20 rn
rain code is good, still on it, probably will take me a month to finish seeing how long the game seems to be

Patatitta wrote:

I never played saints row 1 or any saints row, do I need to play it to understand 2?

Somewhat. The story is less important here since it is kinda generic and mostly just a backdrop for the gameplay. There are videos that explain the story.

Winnyace wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

I never played saints row 1 or any saints row, do I need to play it to understand 2?

Somewhat. The story is less important here since it is kinda generic and mostly just a backdrop for the gameplay. There are videos that explain the story.

I'm not a fan for watching a video to recap, I would have to play saints row 1 and 2 which is probably going to take a while

You would have to use an emulator to play SR1 on PC, as it is a Xbox 360 exclusive. The PC port of SR2 is also junk, so you might as well play the second game in the emulator too.

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cephaphysic wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

cephaphysic wrote:

pata can you wall-text about disco elysium i really want to see what you have to say about it

disco elysium is my favourite game of all time, however, it's not an easy game to talk about, like, at all, look at the average length of your typical disco elysium analysis, if I truly were to go in depth I would need to write something that's as long as those videos



disco elysium isn't just a videogame for you to play and have fun with it. Disco elysium is art in it's purest form. It doesn't feel like it's trying to be fun, if you play disco you know what you've signed up for, and the game will remind you of it

The game in essence is a cRPG developped in estonia by a bunch of depressed communists. The premise of the game is simple, you're an insomniac detective who just woke up from a night of pure drinking in your hotel room, you learn that there is a corpse hanged up to a tree in a back-yard. Another detective by the name of kim kitsuragi also just arrived to the scene, and it's your duty to try solving the case

the actual gameplay is just pure dialogue, you read text, and then you click on the thing you want your character to say or do, there is no combat or anything here, this game is an interactive book. There are also permanent choices, that have a % chance of succcess depending on the stats of your character, that chance however can never be 100% or 0% success, and in fact, there are some checks that is better to actually fail than to succeed at.

However, the game is much more than a murder mistery, that murder mistery is just a medium for the game to disscuss politics and philosophy, nothing about "games must be apolitical", this game is hardcore, applicable to the real world, politics. And that is, because everyone in reality does have some sort of politial ideology, and when you try interviewing people for you to solve the crime, you can see that political ideology leaking in, and you can either answer to support what the person is saying, or to not, in fact, some side quests require to support certain political characters or groups. The main ideology this game represents are Fascism, Communism, Capitalism, and being a centrist. If you think some of the choices are a bit too extreme, dont worry, it's this way by design



There was a meme a while back saying "every copy of mario 64 is personalized!", however, every copy of disco elysium is actually personalized. There are hundreds of dialogue choices, and all of them matter, only a few hours in your playthrough is already going to be very different to the playthrough of any other person, there are also multiple endings to the game depending on the choices you make, and also luck

In this way, the RNG also works to differentiate your playthrough even further, not only that, but the RNG works as a way for you to avoid min-maxing the game and playing it following your true feelings. If you cant guarantee anything, why bother grinding it really

These dialogue choices at the start may seem kinda normal, however, the game is actually gauging your personality in the background, every choice has an impact on something, so just after a while of playing, the game will know perfectly how you are as a person, and will change some of the dialogue for other dialogue to say stuff that is relevant to you, to challenge YOUR political ideologies, to challenge YOUR philosophy. That combined with the beautifully written dialogue will give for moments that will truly impact you as a person, and it even doesn't really matter if you didn't have too many clears ideas on those more complex issues from before you played disco elysium, after you finish it, you will probably know more about yourself as a person from before you started the game.

This game is a cRPG, a computer roleplaying game, and while in many RPG you can just not roleplay and just troll or min-max or whatever, you cant do that for disco, as the only to not really RP while playing disco would be lying to yourself, and the game WILL call you out on it.

That's the core of the game, however, every fucking design choice in this game goes contrary to the industry standard. Most of the ways a story is told, you know a lot of the world, if you're reading a book it may even include a map of the world like with something with lord of the rings. You may be reading in a third person perspective with a narrator that will give you more information than the protagonist have, or you maybe can understand the design principles going into a certain piece of media to be able to successfully predict future twists or ideas, disco isn't this way. The world is bigger than you, there will be doors that you will never be able to open and explore, you will never see what the world was really before or after you left it, you don't know the backstories of any of the characters beforehand, you cant predict the game, you dont deserve to know about the actual game as you're just one of the many characters. You as a player dont have more worth than a npc

The actual philosophy of disco is... weird, and i'm not qualified enough to talk about it, but it does seem every person has a different interpretation of disco. I've seen debate over what the actual name of the game means, and if we haven't even reached a conclusion on what the words disco elysium actually means, you know you're going to be fucked trying to piece a full proof argument on the game.

Art exists for a reason, there is a reason why someone would draw a book depicting an idea instead of just writting a little summary on why they think x is bad, and that is, because art conveys feelings. A lot of feelings. With disco elysium those feelings are extremely complex, and it's actually nearly impossible to describe what disco elysium actually feels like to me, I don't have the vocabulary. Even by writting this is in a way prioritizing some feelings over others, because many of the ideas feel like they contradict, however you dont feel like there is anything wrong with it, however, when you write about it, you cant really contradict yourself in the same way and keep the same emotions.

A lot of the game feels like it's impossible, like the ending. By any metrics and following the bases of any review or literally analysis i've seen in my life, the finale is just bad. However, when you reach the ending, even if it feels like it's objectevely unfair, frustrating, unsatisfactory, underwhelming, an insult to you as a person, and a contradiction to everything you've been led to believe while playing disco, the finale is good, really good.

It's this reason why every disco elysium video is at least one hour long, and that none of the video actually share any ideas with the other videos, disco is such a fucking wild experience that it's nearly impossible to correctly portray. You can't have a matpat video here explaining a theory that supposedly resolves the game, such explanation does not seem to exist.

This games goes DEEP too, it doesn't just try to argue for certain philosophical ideas, it shows how those ideas can change a person, how that person change can change other person. This game tries to describe how you would join a political extreme, why would you want to believe that, why sometimes being radical is needed, why sometimes being racial is a bad idea, what does it mean to believe in a political ideology, it shows that not having a political ideology on itself is a political ideology. It talks about love, about breakup, about depression, about addiction, about racism, about police, about the paranormal, about disco music, about death, about mental disorders, about deligion. Disco elysium can mean whatever you want it to mean, as what disco elysium teachs you is a way of thinking, not just an idea.

If you internalize what disco elysium tells you, you will learn many things. If you decide to put on the same lenses that disco elysium instructs you to use while playing the game for another videogame, you will understand shit, and probably be more depressed on the end, but that's just a side effect. In many ways, it does really make you think different about the fnaf movie and this is actually not a joke, disco elysium changed the way I see art in the first place, in many ways it's unfair to compair disco to most videogames, since disco tries to be much, much more

The game currently is on a weird legal ground, basically the developpers dont get any money, so it's morably justifiable to download it over the seven seas, so feel free to do so if you want to give this masterpiece a try, there is a 2 hour video by people make games where they try breaking it down, nothing about disco elysium can be simple it seems

I haven't really touched much on the actual message of disco elysium, honesly I feel all of this falls short. but I think it's just clear why, you could try watching one of those video analysis but I dont promise you will understand much after you watch two different ones

oh hell yes

i have actually played it myself, though from what i've seen and heard (including this), i've barely scratched the surface of what it has to offer. i've only gone through one playthrough so far, which i went into almost completely blind and with the goal of doing whatever i felt like doing, which turned out to be solving the case and prying for as much information as i could. i got called a human can opener several times lol

my feelings about the game are pretty straightforward tbh. to me, it feels like a discussion. like i'm engaging in a conversation with the game and its narrarative, if that makes sense. and like any discussion, it hinges on the dynamic between both parties

i guess a more flowery description of what you've already said

it sucks that the devs got screwed over though, cause they've made something unlike any other game i've played, and in the best way possible. i can easily say it's one of my favorite pieces of media as a whole

if you've played it one that's enough, I personally love since I'm a sucker for cRPGs and this type of storytelling, not everyone will have the same experience as me

Shinsekai yori:

pretty good anime, I definitively liked the first half more than the second half tho

the setting for this anime is pretty unique, as it's like a fantasy dystopia world. The story follows this direction too, from the start of the anime it's like these teenagers who discover the true nature about the world and seem like they want to do something about it, typical dystopia stuff

for the first half, it's mainly a mistery anime, of trying to piece all this information to know how this world was created and stuff like that. However, there is as change of direction, whiel the first episodes are clearly mistery based, the more the anime goes on, it moves from mistery to pure drama

this is my biggest complain with the anime really, the start really got me interested in the world and stuff, but by the end of the anime and mainly about the drama surrounding the conflict between certain nations and species, which I think it's a bit of a shame (and also my favourite characters basically got killed off so it made me a bit less interested)

however even at the end of the anime it does feature soem interesting ideas, mainly about how the psychic powers corrupted society and they ended up kinda just transforming the people that did not have power into another species so they could be racist torwards them, however, not all of the world-building makes total sense

mainly with the idea of them banning electricity, I don't really know how electricity would challenge their dominant place in the world. I just dont think that part made much sense

while it is a dystopia, the way the dystopai operates is so unlike anything that could happen in the real world. Not by the idea of powers but by the way it is politically constructed, so it sadly doesn't really go in depth about anything very much

In a way I jsut feel this anime is doing multiple contradictory things so while it is entretaining it's really failing to be anything more like that, the mistery is brought up but kinda dropped, the drama isn't as impactful as it maybe should be, and the world-building goes in a different direction to both the mistery and the drama, also in the ending nothing that big is solved, stuff just go back as it was in the beginning, which is not really that great.


next: The Flying Luna Clipper
still playing rain code

Flying Luna Clipper

surprisignly little I have to say about this. The art is interesting, reminds me of old point and click games. If I remember correctly EBLF said this was the first ever full length pixel art movie, and it would make sense. There isn't really a plot or anything, this just feels like a tech demo for this type of animation and that's about it. The voice acting is bad but there is almost no dialogue in the movie so lol

next: children of men

Patatitta wrote:

Flying Luna Clipper

surprisignly little I have to say about this. The art is interesting, reminds me of old point and click games. If I remember correctly EBLF said this was the first ever full length pixel art movie, and it would make sense. There isn't really a plot or anything, this just feels like a tech demo for this type of animation and that's about it. The voice acting is bad but there is almost no dialogue in the movie so lol

next: children of men

In fact yes, it's sort of a tech demo turned into a film. It's a collection of experimental shorts put together to make a feature-length film. The film was only released direct-to-video and was considered lost media till 2015 when a LaserDisc copy was found and ripped (that's the version uploaded to youtube).

I tried looking for other feature-length pixel art films but I can't seem to find one. I'm impressed that no one made a new film in pixel-art in more than 35 years, and even taking into account the technological limitations of the era. (Also, I'm impressed this movie is so obscure given the rise of 80's aesthetics. This is THE waporwave movie)

It was an impressive feat but... yeah... it's a 7/10 for me at most.

eblf2013 wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Flying Luna Clipper

surprisignly little I have to say about this. The art is interesting, reminds me of old point and click games. If I remember correctly EBLF said this was the first ever full length pixel art movie, and it would make sense. There isn't really a plot or anything, this just feels like a tech demo for this type of animation and that's about it. The voice acting is bad but there is almost no dialogue in the movie so lol

next: children of men

In fact yes, it's sort of a tech demo turned into a film. It's a collection of experimental shorts put together to make a feature-length film. The film was only released direct-to-video and was considered lost media till 2015 when a LaserDisc copy was found and ripped (that's the version uploaded to youtube).

I tried looking for other feature-length pixel art films but I can't seem to find one. I'm impressed that no one made a new film in pixel-art in more than 35 years, and even taking into account the technological limitations of the era. (Also, I'm impressed this movie is so obscure given the rise of 80's aesthetics. This is THE waporwave movie)

It was an impressive feat but... yeah... it's a 7/10 for me at most.

I assume it's just really difficult and not that worth it to really do pixel art films, the aesthetic is fine but I personally prefeer other types of more commonly used animation

Patatitta wrote:

Shinsekai yori:

pretty good anime, I definitively liked the first half more than the second half tho

the setting for this anime is pretty unique, as it's like a fantasy dystopia world. The story follows this direction too, from the start of the anime it's like these teenagers who discover the true nature about the world and seem like they want to do something about it, typical dystopia stuff

for the first half, it's mainly a mistery anime, of trying to piece all this information to know how this world was created and stuff like that. However, there is as change of direction, whiel the first episodes are clearly mistery based, the more the anime goes on, it moves from mistery to pure drama

this is my biggest complain with the anime really, the start really got me interested in the world and stuff, but by the end of the anime and mainly about the drama surrounding the conflict between certain nations and species, which I think it's a bit of a shame (and also my favourite characters basically got killed off so it made me a bit less interested)

however even at the end of the anime it does feature soem interesting ideas, mainly about how the psychic powers corrupted society and they ended up kinda just transforming the people that did not have power into another species so they could be racist torwards them, however, not all of the world-building makes total sense

mainly with the idea of them banning electricity, I don't really know how electricity would challenge their dominant place in the world. I just dont think that part made much sense

while it is a dystopia, the way the dystopai operates is so unlike anything that could happen in the real world. Not by the idea of powers but by the way it is politically constructed, so it sadly doesn't really go in depth about anything very much

In a way I jsut feel this anime is doing multiple contradictory things so while it is entretaining it's really failing to be anything more like that, the mistery is brought up but kinda dropped, the drama isn't as impactful as it maybe should be, and the world-building goes in a different direction to both the mistery and the drama, also in the ending nothing that big is solved, stuff just go back as it was in the beginning, which is not really that great.


next: The Flying Luna Clipper
still playing rain code

bro redacted harder than the FBI. This anime is maybe one of the few that do time skip in a matter of years. From when the main cast are kids, then growing up and become adult. That alone is a great feat I think

Jangsoodlor wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Shinsekai yori:

pretty good anime, I definitively liked the first half more than the second half tho

the setting for this anime is pretty unique, as it's like a fantasy dystopia world. The story follows this direction too, from the start of the anime it's like these teenagers who discover the true nature about the world and seem like they want to do something about it, typical dystopia stuff

for the first half, it's mainly a mistery anime, of trying to piece all this information to know how this world was created and stuff like that. However, there is as change of direction, whiel the first episodes are clearly mistery based, the more the anime goes on, it moves from mistery to pure drama

this is my biggest complain with the anime really, the start really got me interested in the world and stuff, but by the end of the anime and mainly about the drama surrounding the conflict between certain nations and species, which I think it's a bit of a shame (and also my favourite characters basically got killed off so it made me a bit less interested)

however even at the end of the anime it does feature soem interesting ideas, mainly about how the psychic powers corrupted society and they ended up kinda just transforming the people that did not have power into another species so they could be racist torwards them, however, not all of the world-building makes total sense

mainly with the idea of them banning electricity, I don't really know how electricity would challenge their dominant place in the world. I just dont think that part made much sense

while it is a dystopia, the way the dystopai operates is so unlike anything that could happen in the real world. Not by the idea of powers but by the way it is politically constructed, so it sadly doesn't really go in depth about anything very much

In a way I jsut feel this anime is doing multiple contradictory things so while it is entretaining it's really failing to be anything more like that, the mistery is brought up but kinda dropped, the drama isn't as impactful as it maybe should be, and the world-building goes in a different direction to both the mistery and the drama, also in the ending nothing that big is solved, stuff just go back as it was in the beginning, which is not really that great.


next: The Flying Luna Clipper
still playing rain code

bro redacted harder than the FBI. This anime is maybe one of the few that do time skip in a matter of years. From when the main cast are kids, then growing up and become adult. That alone is a great feat I think

yeah, that element really reminded me of clannad, it was cool to see

Do Dragon's Lair!

MaxIsABigKaiju wrote:

Do Dragon's Lair!

the cdi looking videogame?

Children of men

Before I start saying anything, I love older movies that goes like THE WORLD WILL END IN 2027 or how the original blade runner movie happened in 2019, this is one of those movies

I liked this movie, but I liked it in the same I liked contagion, it's really nothing too special, but it's an entreteining watch.

First of all, the cinematography of this movie is absolutely amazing, all the shots are so good, the acting is great, this was probably the best part of the movie, it's a really cool movie to actually watch and see all the enviroments and stuff. While the setting itself is basically just 2006, all the protest the movie has, the surprise attacks, and all of that are just amazingly made

However, I do have some issues with the plot, as it felt very unfocussed and I don't really know what to think about it.

Thing is, it's 2027, and the world is going to end soon as apparently everyone has become infertile, no one knows how, it just happened. And there just happens to be a pregnant woman somehow, and it's the protagonist duty to really protect her, so similar-ish plot to lisa the painful

that plot is fairly unique and it's cool, however, the movie is more focused talking about the immigration crisis than anything else, which on itself is also a fine plot, however, these two plots doesn't really overlap much, it only really answer the question on why they just dont go to a hospital and creates a bit more action in the world (which justification in the movie was also kinda weak IMO). The actual conflict is not explored much, it's just something that happens on the protagonist daily life, so I just dont really know if I like that half of the movie was dedicated to just the protagonist running into problems because the immigration crisis when you aren't really saying anything relevant about it, cutting time away from the pregnant woman plot where it's again not really explored much

In a way the plot only exists to create a movie with sick ass cimetagrophy, which is fine on itself. I fucking love RRR, the plot itself is like completely nonsensical but holy fuck those were some good scenes. However, children of men doesn't go nearly as hard and truly tries to put EVERYTHING into just cool cinematography as RRR does, it still tries to be serious, which I just don't think it works, either you explore your plot more or you go the RRR route.

Still a fun watch


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next: Boogiepop 2019
still playing rain code
also i'm probably going to update the queue in this thread to give a direct link to each specific post where I analyze a certain thing given how long this thread is currently

Patatitta wrote:

Children of men

Before I start saying anything, I love older movies that goes like THE WORLD WILL END IN 2027 or how the original blade runner movie happened in 2019, this is one of those movies

I liked this movie, but I liked it in the same I liked contagion, it's really nothing too special, but it's an entreteining watch.

First of all, the cinematography of this movie is absolutely amazing, all the shots are so good, the acting is great, this was probably the best part of the movie, it's a really cool movie to actually watch and see all the enviroments and stuff. While the setting itself is basically just 2006, all the protest the movie has, the surprise attacks, and all of that are just amazingly made



However, I do have some issues with the plot, as it felt very unfocussed and I don't really know what to think about it.

Thing is, it's 2027, and the world is going to end soon as apparently everyone has become infertile, no one knows how, it just happened. And there just happens to be a pregnant woman somehow, and it's the protagonist duty to really protect her, so similar-ish plot to lisa the painful

that plot is fairly unique and it's cool, however, the movie is more focused talking about the immigration crisis than anything else, which on itself is also a fine plot, however, these two plots doesn't really overlap much, it only really answer the question on why they just dont go to a hospital and creates a bit more action in the world (which justification in the movie was also kinda weak IMO). The actual conflict is not explored much, it's just something that happens on the protagonist daily life, so I just dont really know if I like that half of the movie was dedicated to just the protagonist running into problems because the immigration crisis when you aren't really saying anything relevant about it, cutting time away from the pregnant woman plot where it's again not really explored much

In a way the plot only exists to create a movie with sick ass cimetagrophy, which is fine on itself. I fucking love RRR, the plot itself is like completely nonsensical but holy fuck those were some good scenes. However, children of men doesn't go nearly as hard and truly tries to put EVERYTHING into just cool cinematography as RRR does, it still tries to be serious, which I just don't think it works, either you explore your plot more or you go the RRR route.

Still a fun watch


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next: Boogiepop 2019
still playing rain code
also i'm probably going to update the queue in this thread to give a direct link to each specific post where I analyze a certain thing given how long this thread is currently

It's not just an immigration crisis, the whole country (and basically the whole world) turned into an authoritarian nightmare because of the infertility thing. That's why the characters have to go through a lot of shit, immigration is just one part of it, it just seems more important because they go through a refugee camp.
It also very lightly touches on issues like climate crisis and a few other things.
There's also a lot of references to actual events (like the Abu Ghraib torture) as well as cultural references, you'll necessarily miss some but the ones you see really help make the movie more relevant imo.
Honestly I didn't get all of it the first time I watched, but a youtube channel I follow made a video about it and after rewatching a lot of it made more sense.

This video about it is fine

Next movie you should watch: Mr. Nobody

Karmine wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Children of men

Before I start saying anything, I love older movies that goes like THE WORLD WILL END IN 2027 or how the original blade runner movie happened in 2019, this is one of those movies

I liked this movie, but I liked it in the same I liked contagion, it's really nothing too special, but it's an entreteining watch.

First of all, the cinematography of this movie is absolutely amazing, all the shots are so good, the acting is great, this was probably the best part of the movie, it's a really cool movie to actually watch and see all the enviroments and stuff. While the setting itself is basically just 2006, all the protest the movie has, the surprise attacks, and all of that are just amazingly made

However, I do have some issues with the plot, as it felt very unfocussed and I don't really know what to think about it.

Thing is, it's 2027, and the world is going to end soon as apparently everyone has become infertile, no one knows how, it just happened. And there just happens to be a pregnant woman somehow, and it's the protagonist duty to really protect her, so similar-ish plot to lisa the painful

that plot is fairly unique and it's cool, however, the movie is more focused talking about the immigration crisis than anything else, which on itself is also a fine plot, however, these two plots doesn't really overlap much, it only really answer the question on why they just dont go to a hospital and creates a bit more action in the world (which justification in the movie was also kinda weak IMO). The actual conflict is not explored much, it's just something that happens on the protagonist daily life, so I just dont really know if I like that half of the movie was dedicated to just the protagonist running into problems because the immigration crisis when you aren't really saying anything relevant about it, cutting time away from the pregnant woman plot where it's again not really explored much

In a way the plot only exists to create a movie with sick ass cimetagrophy, which is fine on itself. I fucking love RRR, the plot itself is like completely nonsensical but holy fuck those were some good scenes. However, children of men doesn't go nearly as hard and truly tries to put EVERYTHING into just cool cinematography as RRR does, it still tries to be serious, which I just don't think it works, either you explore your plot more or you go the RRR route.

Still a fun watch


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next: Boogiepop 2019
still playing rain code
also i'm probably going to update the queue in this thread to give a direct link to each specific post where I analyze a certain thing given how long this thread is currently

It's not just an immigration crisis, the whole country (and basically the whole world) turned into an authoritarian nightmare because of the infertility thing. That's why the characters have to go through a lot of shit, immigration is just one part of it, it just seems more important because they go through a refugee camp.
It also very lightly touches on issues like climate crisis and a few other things.
There's also a lot of references to actual events (like the Abu Ghraib torture) as well as cultural references, you'll necessarily miss some but the ones you see really help make the movie more relevant imo.
Honestly I didn't get all of it the first time I watched, but a youtube channel I follow made a video about it and after rewatching a lot of it made more sense.

Next movie you should watch: Mr. Nobody

I know the consequences of the inmmigration thing and how britain is the only place that really stands and whatever, however it just feels like ah "oh that just happened lol", and just doing refence to something isn't going in depth on that. I remember with oshi no ko that really had that issue where it took just real life events and stuff and kinda just put them without really saying anything about it. A reference or something being inspired by a real world event is just setting, not plot. I still don't really think that if you're just using that plot as purely world-building, which is what it is, I don't think it should take half the movie you could have used to explore the other half of the movie

will watch mr nobody

Patatitta wrote:

MaxIsABigKaiju wrote:

Do Dragon's Lair!

the cdi looking videogame?

Yeah

the one time OP delivers, and it's massive

MaxIsABigKaiju wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

MaxIsABigKaiju wrote:

Do Dragon's Lair!

the cdi looking videogame?

Yeah

will do

edit: I updated the queue with links to every post

Boogiepop and Others (2019):

pretty enjoyable watch, pretty standard mistery manga that tries to explore some deeper more philosophical elements

however, while I do think the mistery elements work pretty well, I don't think it goes deep enough or crazy enough with it's philosophy to really be anything that special. It's just a philosophical undertone more than it being the entire point like with something like kino no tabi.

Now, other than that, I just dont thinks anime is overall that special, as I said it was pretty standard, so I don't really have that much to say about it, the OST is great (the opening is a BANGER), art is overall fine, etc

it's just a nice watch, I really don't have almost anything to say about it, I just feel completely neutral torwards this anime

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next: Boogiepop Phantom (2000)
still playing rain code as it's a 82382382 hour long RPG and yeah i'm going to die before I finish this game

Patatitta wrote:

Boogiepop and Others (2019):

pretty enjoyable watch, pretty standard mistery manga that tries to explore some deeper more philosophical elements

however, while I do think the mistery elements work pretty well, I don't think it goes deep enough or crazy enough with it's philosophy to really be anything that special. It's just a philosophical undertone more than it being the entire point like with something like kino no tabi.

Now, other than that, I just dont thinks anime is overall that special, as I said it was pretty standard, so I don't really have that much to say about it, the OST is great (the opening is a BANGER), art is overall fine, etc

it's just a nice watch, I really don't have almost anything to say about it, I just feel completely neutral torwards this anime

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As most LN adaptations, stuff is either scrubbed or incomplete when adapted to anime, and adding to this, the anime adapts just 4 of the 24 novels reased so far (not counting spin-offs). The 2000 anime is an original story taking place between the 1st and 2nd arc of the 2019 anime, with a vastly different atmosphere.

Either way, I like the concept of "antiheroine trying to save depressed teenagers while reality starts to break apart". And I really like the fact how Boogiepop tackles such philosophical topics not from a cynical way but rather with a more optimistic and hopeful manner.

eblf2013 wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Boogiepop and Others (2019):

pretty enjoyable watch, pretty standard mistery manga that tries to explore some deeper more philosophical elements

however, while I do think the mistery elements work pretty well, I don't think it goes deep enough or crazy enough with it's philosophy to really be anything that special. It's just a philosophical undertone more than it being the entire point like with something like kino no tabi.

Now, other than that, I just dont thinks anime is overall that special, as I said it was pretty standard, so I don't really have that much to say about it, the OST is great (the opening is a BANGER), art is overall fine, etc

it's just a nice watch, I really don't have almost anything to say about it, I just feel completely neutral torwards this anime

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As most LN adaptations, stuff is either scrubbed or incomplete when adapted to anime, and adding to this, the anime adapts just 4 of the 24 novels reased so far (not counting spin-offs). The 2000 anime is an original story taking place between the 1st and 2nd arc of the 2019 anime, with a vastly different atmosphere.

Either way, I like the concept of "antiheroine trying to save depressed teenagers while reality starts to break apart". And I really like the fact how Boogiepop tackles such philosophical topics not from a cynical way but rather with a more optimistic and hopeful manner.

weird plot sounds cool

boogiepop phantom (2000)

I enjoyed this more than 2019 but it's not that much better, it for sure is a lot better in the sound design department and the overall aesthetic of the show. I love when animes mix real images in but hyper edited, I think it works well for this too. I'm aware the fact that every shot was so dark and the usage of these images is probably because they wanted to reduce budgets, but given how the anime is, it works

as I said earlier, the sound is a lot better, the OST is really fucking strange, which makes it a lot more memorable than in 2019. I personally enjoyed it the OST but I feel a lot of people will hate it LMAO

the one element I think 2019 does better is the actual story-telling, while 2000 starts fairly strong, I feel the later chapters aren't as exciting as the first ones, the whole philosophy thing is expanded less than in 2019 IMO, it just feels like a paranormal mistery, more than it having any weight behind the words that the character say

That was also a problem that I had with 2019 but it felt less like that, and I honestly would blame it, not on the adaptation, but the actual source material, (I want to say, I have NOT read the novels) as it's very hard to really make that mistake twice. Even in kino no tabi, which has recieved two big adaptations in 2003 and 2017, while the 2017 version is less over the top and philosophical, you can still feel that energy in the actual story beats, with boogiepop, not so much.

The actual mistery part of the anime is also fairly weak, and that is (this also kinda happened in 2019), they don't really know how to end arcs? They can make interesting characters and situation, but I feel they fail on actually developing them. The character is there, you have an idea, but then you fail at saying anything particulary interesting. This is most aparent with the last chapter, the last chapter of boogiepop 2000 is probably one of the least exciting finales i've seen in any mistery anime.

I still enjoyed the anime, but It's just an enjoyable watch, nothing more, nothing else


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next: mr nobody
i'm going to die before I finish rain code, may consider stopping playing it for a bit and do dragon's lair first or something

Patatitta wrote:

i'm going to die before I finish rain code, may consider stopping playing it for a bit and do dragon's lair first or something

it took me nearly a month to beat it, and that's not including the DLC. don't rush it!! very very long game!!

mr nobody:

First of all, this movie is pretty original. It's about the life of this kid, and the different timelines and possibilities that life could have taken. In order for the movie to do this, and for it to have an overarching plot there is a sci-fi plot connecting it all.

first of all, the OST is a banger, there are so many good songs in this movie. The cinematography and acting is pretty good IMO too.

The actual life and things are pretty cool, I don't have any problem with that. IOn my opinion, it looks like the idea for a movie where you just see 3 timelines of the same character life was the main idea. The only real problem I have with this movie is the sci-fi elements, which on itself works fine, however I don't know how well it works in conjuction with the non sci-fi part

the movie is kinda is hard to understand, and while the ovearching plot does fine in connecting all of the stories, I don't really believe it really explores it much. It explores more the concept of living multiple lifes than the actual consequences of each action. Which isn't bad on itself, I just would have prefeered to be the opposite

I just think it would have worked better if it was just a little easier to understand, because there is truly material here that is worth digging into, it's just hard to get into it

now, what does the movie actually have to say about choices? From my opinion and what I understand, that there really isn't a wrong way to live a life other than to stop living. Living in this context means the actual act of living in conjuction with having new experiences and enjoying yourself.

The way the movie illustrates this point is by in the sci-fi elements, a cure for aging was found, however, in the process for everyone living together it seems like everyone starting living a very homogeneous life, a lot of things are anned, and society as a whole seems to believe that there really one choice, and one right way to live life, this according to our protagonist, isn't really living

Our protagonist is like the complete opposite of that, living 3 contradictory lifes, and being proved right (kinda?) at the end of the movie


And that sometimes those things are out of control. That life changing decisions can be altered by just someone random boiling an egg. However, the fact that some things are out of our control doesn't mean we should give up in life, your choices do matter. It's just kinda hard to predict sometimes, and sometimes, not making a choice is a choice on itself

about the scientific shit honestly I have no clue


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update: still need to finish rain code, wont rush it

next: there isn't actually any more movies/anime I have to watch, suprising, i'm free to watch whatever I want until in 2 hours when a new request comes

Well, guess it's time to tell the potato to watch Niea_7

https://myanimelist.net/anime/800/NieA_Under_7

requesting rhythm doctor (steam)

Watch onimai (the anime)

eblf2013 wrote:

Well, guess it's time to tell the potato to watch Niea_7

https://myanimelist.net/anime/800/NieA_Under_7

will do

z0z wrote:

requesting rhythm doctor (steam)

rhythm game cant really analyze

Reyalp51 wrote:

Watch onimai (the anime)

I really didn't want to watch this one but since I'm faithful to this thread I have to give it an honest try now

I knew you wouldnt like it thats why i said that one lmao

Patatitta wrote:

mr nobody:

First of all, this movie is pretty original. It's about the life of this kid, and the different timelines and possibilities that life could have taken. In order for the movie to do this, and for it to have an overarching plot there is a sci-fi plot connecting it all.

first of all, the OST is a banger, there are so many good songs in this movie. The cinematography and acting is pretty good IMO too.

The actual life and things are pretty cool, I don't have any problem with that. IOn my opinion, it looks like the idea for a movie where you just see 3 timelines of the same character life was the main idea. The only real problem I have with this movie is the sci-fi elements, which on itself works fine, however I don't know how well it works in conjuction with the non sci-fi part

the movie is kinda is hard to understand, and while the ovearching plot does fine in connecting all of the stories, I don't really believe it really explores it much. It explores more the concept of living multiple lifes than the actual consequences of each action. Which isn't bad on itself, I just would have prefeered to be the opposite

I just think it would have worked better if it was just a little easier to understand, because there is truly material here that is worth digging into, it's just hard to get into it

now, what does the movie actually have to say about choices? From my opinion and what I understand, that there really isn't a wrong way to live a life other than to stop living. Living in this context means the actual act of living in conjuction with having new experiences and enjoying yourself.

The way the movie illustrates this point is by in the sci-fi elements, a cure for aging was found, however, in the process for everyone living together it seems like everyone starting living a very homogeneous life, a lot of things are anned, and society as a whole seems to believe that there really one choice, and one right way to live life, this according to our protagonist, isn't really living

Our protagonist is like the complete opposite of that, living 3 contradictory lifes, and being proved right (kinda?) at the end of the movie


And that sometimes those things are out of control. That life changing decisions can be altered by just someone random boiling an egg. However, the fact that some things are out of our control doesn't mean we should give up in life, your choices do matter. It's just kinda hard to predict sometimes, and sometimes, not making a choice is a choice on itself

about the scientific shit honestly I have no clue


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update: still need to finish rain code, wont rush it

next: there isn't actually any more movies/anime I have to watch, suprising, i'm free to watch whatever I want until in 2 hours when a new request comes

I pretty much agree with you, the sci-fi stuff is kinda weird but it is sort of necessary for the end to work I guess?

Reyalp51 wrote:

I knew you wouldnt like it thats why i said that one lmao

You're a monster

My next request: Macross

Karmine wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

mr nobody:

First of all, this movie is pretty original. It's about the life of this kid, and the different timelines and possibilities that life could have taken. In order for the movie to do this, and for it to have an overarching plot there is a sci-fi plot connecting it all.

first of all, the OST is a banger, there are so many good songs in this movie. The cinematography and acting is pretty good IMO too.

The actual life and things are pretty cool, I don't have any problem with that. IOn my opinion, it looks like the idea for a movie where you just see 3 timelines of the same character life was the main idea. The only real problem I have with this movie is the sci-fi elements, which on itself works fine, however I don't know how well it works in conjuction with the non sci-fi part

the movie is kinda is hard to understand, and while the ovearching plot does fine in connecting all of the stories, I don't really believe it really explores it much. It explores more the concept of living multiple lifes than the actual consequences of each action. Which isn't bad on itself, I just would have prefeered to be the opposite

I just think it would have worked better if it was just a little easier to understand, because there is truly material here that is worth digging into, it's just hard to get into it

now, what does the movie actually have to say about choices? From my opinion and what I understand, that there really isn't a wrong way to live a life other than to stop living. Living in this context means the actual act of living in conjuction with having new experiences and enjoying yourself.

The way the movie illustrates this point is by in the sci-fi elements, a cure for aging was found, however, in the process for everyone living together it seems like everyone starting living a very homogeneous life, a lot of things are anned, and society as a whole seems to believe that there really one choice, and one right way to live life, this according to our protagonist, isn't really living

Our protagonist is like the complete opposite of that, living 3 contradictory lifes, and being proved right (kinda?) at the end of the movie


And that sometimes those things are out of control. That life changing decisions can be altered by just someone random boiling an egg. However, the fact that some things are out of our control doesn't mean we should give up in life, your choices do matter. It's just kinda hard to predict sometimes, and sometimes, not making a choice is a choice on itself

about the scientific shit honestly I have no clue


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update: still need to finish rain code, wont rush it

next: there isn't actually any more movies/anime I have to watch, suprising, i'm free to watch whatever I want until in 2 hours when a new request comes

I pretty much agree with you, the sci-fi stuff is kinda weird but it is sort of necessary for the end to work I guess?

Reyalp51 wrote:

I knew you wouldnt like it thats why i said that one lmao

You're a monster

My next request: Macross

never heard of it but looks cool, will add to the list


edit: wait reyalp, I thought you were saying a different anime, kinda mixed names on my head. I HAVE read the manga for Onimai: I'm Now Your Sister!, does that work for you?, I don't really like watching the adaptations for stuff i've already read

A shit nevermind go watch ishuzoku reviwers

Reyalp51 wrote:

A shit nevermind go watch ishuzoku reviwers

... I have already watched it as a joke with friends, also the CENSORED version, realized there was an uncensored version like a year later, I do not have it listed on myanimelist for obvious reasons but you're going to have to trust me on this

NieA Under 7

cute slice of life/comedy which turns into a drama by the end, liked it

the animation style is great, it has some very stylized segments, chapter 13 is completley full of those sections which really makes this anime stand-up visually compared to the rest

I do feel you can split this anime into two sections, the comedy part and the more drama part

starting with the comedy part, (which I think lasts until chapter 8 or so idk didn't really pay attention to the chapter number), the anime is just about this girl who lives with a freeloader alien who loves food. (Aliens are normal in this world). The comedy just reminds me a lot of jashin-chan but less over the top as this was a 2000s anime without a large budget.

The point of this section (or at least what I interpet it being), is just for you to grow familiar with the cast of characters, and the situation, and if you notice, it slowly goes and introduce ideas and problems that will later be expanded in the drama section

for chapters 9 to 13, the anime kinda does drop a lot of the comedy aspect, and focuses mostly on the life situation of our protagonists. Having to resolve difficult problems, and becoming a better and stronger person by it. Even if it's two fairly different styles (given the two absolute extremes on this genre, you would have yuru camp/nichijou on the first section, and yomawari-sensei in the other extreme). The way it transitions is really invisible. It flows super well, and it really takes advantage of things that were foreshadowed or mentioned in the past

the anime never reaches to be like absolutely heartbreaking or anything, it is just more emotional than jashin-chan, which I mentioned earlier. I do think this is a pretty good anime, and if you kinda just want a nice little slice of life to watch and enjoy, this is good

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next: macross
haven't made any progress on rain code as i'm just playing planescape torment

watch Angel Beats!

Jangsoodlor wrote:

watch Angel Beats!

yeah sure

Patatitta wrote:

z0z wrote:

requesting rhythm doctor (steam)

rhythm game cant really analyze

it has a story though, act 5 came out a while ago

179bpm wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

z0z wrote:

requesting rhythm doctor (steam)

rhythm game cant really analyze

it has a story though, act 5 came out a while ago

i'm aware, however it's just so basic that it's not really on the same level as anything on here, it's more focused on making fun level and introducing mechanics

Patatitta wrote:

179bpm wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

z0z wrote:

requesting rhythm doctor (steam)

rhythm game cant really analyze

it has a story though, act 5 came out a while ago

i'm aware, however it's just so basic that it's not really on the same level as anything on here, it's more focused on making fun level and introducing mechanics

i think you can rate how well it does that and the story

yeah I could try that however no promises I will go on with it, I have too much shit I want to play lmao

play the new super mario rpg remake that is coming out tomorrow

i'm also gonna be playing it after work and after the good ol' siesta MMMMMMMMMM Yes,

Serraionga wrote:

play the new super mario rpg remake that is coming out tomorrow

i'm also gonna be playing it after work and after the good ol' siesta MMMMMMMMMM Yes,

okay not really blaming anyone on here, however:

I have 2 animes to watch

0 things to read

four 30+ hour games + another one that idk how long it is

will add to the list even if I have already seen someone play the original over discord so it's not particullary exciting for me

Patatitta wrote:

Serraionga wrote:

play the new super mario rpg remake that is coming out tomorrow

i'm also gonna be playing it after work and after the good ol' siesta MMMMMMMMMM Yes,

okay not really blaming anyone on here, however:

I have 2 animes to watch

0 things to read

four 30+ hour games + another one that idk how long it is

will add to the list even if I have already seen someone play the original over discord so it's not particullary exciting for me

ok have you read tokyo ghoul already?

Reyalp51 wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Serraionga wrote:

play the new super mario rpg remake that is coming out tomorrow

i'm also gonna be playing it after work and after the good ol' siesta MMMMMMMMMM Yes,

okay not really blaming anyone on here, however:

I have 2 animes to watch

0 things to read

four 30+ hour games + another one that idk how long it is

will add to the list even if I have already seen someone play the original over discord so it's not particullary exciting for me

ok have you read tokyo ghoul already?

wait was tokyo ghoul requested? I actually don't remember fuck

Patatitta wrote:

Reyalp51 wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Serraionga wrote:

play the new super mario rpg remake that is coming out tomorrow

i'm also gonna be playing it after work and after the good ol' siesta MMMMMMMMMM Yes,

okay not really blaming anyone on here, however:

I have 2 animes to watch

0 things to read

four 30+ hour games + another one that idk how long it is

will add to the list even if I have already seen someone play the original over discord so it's not particullary exciting for me

ok have you read tokyo ghoul already?

wait was tokyo ghoul requested? I actually don't remember fuck

i was just asking to request it

Reyalp51 wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Reyalp51 wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Serraionga wrote:

play the new super mario rpg remake that is coming out tomorrow

i'm also gonna be playing it after work and after the good ol' siesta MMMMMMMMMM Yes,

okay not really blaming anyone on here, however:

I have 2 animes to watch

0 things to read

four 30+ hour games + another one that idk how long it is

will add to the list even if I have already seen someone play the original over discord so it's not particullary exciting for me

ok have you read tokyo ghoul already?

wait was tokyo ghoul requested? I actually don't remember fuck

i was just asking to request it

yeah I haven't read tokyo ghoul, my brother did and fucking despises it so it's going to be a funny read

Patatitta wrote:

Reyalp51 wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Reyalp51 wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Serraionga wrote:

play the new super mario rpg remake that is coming out tomorrow

i'm also gonna be playing it after work and after the good ol' siesta MMMMMMMMMM Yes,

okay not really blaming anyone on here, however:

I have 2 animes to watch

0 things to read

four 30+ hour games + another one that idk how long it is

will add to the list even if I have already seen someone play the original over discord so it's not particullary exciting for me

ok have you read tokyo ghoul already?

wait was tokyo ghoul requested? I actually don't remember fuck

i was just asking to request it

yeah I haven't read tokyo ghoul, my brother did and fucking despises it so it's going to be a funny read

cool

Patatitta wrote:

okay not really blaming anyone on here, however:

I have 2 animes to watch

0 things to read

four 30+ hour games + another one that idk how long it is

will add to the list even if I have already seen someone play the original over discord so it's not particullary exciting for me

We Must Go EVEN FURTHER BEYOND!!!!!!!!!! CONSOOM MY DEAR PATATITTA!!! CONSOOM!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!111ONE

i'm actually not that knowledgeable on manga/anime so i can only suggest videojugables. i remember watching doraemon, death note and initial d a very, very long time ago (doraemon was even broadcasted on TV when i was a kid, those were fun times)

recently i was recommended by someone to use an app called CloudStream which is allegedly very good/not a pain in the ass to use for watching anime and i'll probably be using that to watch some of the things that have been requested here. hopefully i'll be able to fit in the time lolllllllllll

Serraionga wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

okay not really blaming anyone on here, however:

I have 2 animes to watch

0 things to read

four 30+ hour games + another one that idk how long it is

will add to the list even if I have already seen someone play the original over discord so it's not particullary exciting for me

We Must Go EVEN FURTHER BEYOND!!!!!!!!!! CONSOOM MY DEAR PATATITTA!!! CONSOOM!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!111ONE

i'm actually not that knowledgeable on manga/anime so i can only suggest videojugables. i remember watching doraemon, death note and initial d a very, very long time ago (doraemon was even broadcasted on TV when i was a kid, those were fun times)

recently i was recommended by someone to use an app called CloudStream which is allegedly very good/not a pain in the ass to use for watching anime and i'll probably be using that to watch some of the things that have been requested here. hopefully i'll be able to fit in the time lolllllllllll

tbf, regular movies or books also works for me, i'm not really complaining about having a long list, i'm just saying that you're going to have to wait 4 months

Patatitta wrote:

tbf, regular movies or books also works for me, i'm not really complaining about having a long list, i'm just saying that you're going to have to wait 4 months

that is fine, i can wait. take it easy!!!!

Review Hamilton (musical)

train wrote:

Review Hamilton (musical)

I have a friend who really got into hamilton so yeah I don't oppose this, will watch

hokuto no ken review with the words sigma and ohio pls

Rigbyuis wrote:

hokuto no ken review with the words sigma and ohio pls

I will be reading the manga, is that ok?

bump

Anaxii wrote:

bump

I was going to bump this myself anyways when I finished reading stuff, just dont flood the front page so this doesn't happen dude, only post in the threads you care about please

Patatitta wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

bump

I was going to bump this myself anyways when I finished reading stuff, just dont flood the front page so this doesn't happen dude, only post in the threads you care about please

alright!

Macross:

The only mecha anime i've really seen is evangelion. I don't really know anything about the genre. I decided go tie macross a try since it was recommended here, and i'm sorry to say, idk if this anime in particular is just my thing. watched the first 3 episodes and I really didn't get invested into it, so I decided to not erally continue it any further. Not a big fan of action, or militarry things, and not really invested into mecha, so yeah, sorry. Delayed this post since idk if I would continue it or not as it was not bad, it just didn't get into it

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Angel Beats!

I've known of this anime for the longest time just on name alone, however, I thought it was a random idols anime or something, however, recently a friend of mine watched me and told that it was in fact not an anime about idols. And now that it got requested, I watched it

it was actually very nice, over the top school anime with a gimmick, it works great, however, the anime mainly starts to really become really good near the end

the idea of the anime is that they're on some sort of afterlife, which takes the form of a high school (it's an anime, of course the afterlife is a high school), the initial premise is that everyone in the world don't really have a soul except them that they have freedom of choice. And they're trying to defeat another high school girl since they tried to keep order in the afterlife, which our protagonist sees as an enemie

That arc on itself isn't the most exciting, each episode they have a different plan to defeat this girl and it's just fun. However, it seems that all of this arc, which last for more for half the anime, is jsut mainly world-building and developing characters. In the great twist of the anime it turns out that this character (named angel btw) isn't bad and is just trying to help people live their best lifes, since the goal of the afterlife (and the reason why it's a highschool), is that this world just helps people who percieved their real lifes to be bad to really feel free and accomplish things before moving on to the next life

I really enjoyed this concept a lot, it really makes sense that it had that slice of life-ish first arc to set everything up. It's not a new idea or anything, it's just executed really well. The slice of life setting and the really exagerated and over the top ideas and chapter plots really allow for each of the characters personality to show through, personality which was defined by their previous experiences in life, which in most cases include: their previous life.

The actual finale is just all the characters who hasn't moved on to the true afterlife yet to come to that realization of the world and it's just a very emotional scene, honestly the ending for angel beats is like peak high school anime IMO

honestly, just a fun and surprising emotional high school anime, really liekd it


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updates: haven't played rain code in a while due to me trying to beat planescape torment sorry

tokyo ghoul isn't actually that bad, i'm going to be able to finish it without dropping it, which was more than I expected tbh

next: Hamilton (musical)

Sad Macross fan noises
I'm not really into mecha either but I love Macross, binge watching it is a bad idea though, some songs repeat a lot

Class of 09 (visual novel thing?)