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Two_old
look, you say ph0x and animask aren't mafia

I believe 100% animask isn't, and I believe you aren't

you also say that 2 mafia voted for quaraezha

I'm willing to vote for rust45 or Lilac, and I'd prefer rust45 since he's been lurking this whole game

edit for elaboration: we have 3 lynches left so rust45 will be the information everyone needs
Ph0X

foulcoon wrote:

@Ph0x, animask: your thoughts?
I think I already answered that question.
foulcoon
rust45 and Lilac (bmin) are the only two who haven't outright claimed town (I think?). Its not that I completely believe either Two or Rolled, I just find it ironic. I'm starting to lean towards voting rust as he has been just lurking for the most part, and I've had my suspicions in the past about him.
Two_old
ok then

unvote, vote rust45
Rolled
unvote: vote rust
Ph0X
inb4 foul, Two, and Rolled are all mafia.
Two_old
inb4 ph0x tries to derail productivity

nm
rust45
Whoa Whoa Whoa, hold on. Don't you think it's tad early to be trying to bandwagaon someone? Yes I have been lurking-ish and I know it does hurt the game. But I can't really help it. Honestly, I think it's suspicious how you guys are going so fast at trying to get a bandwagon in. I'm gonna put on FoS: Two for now as I think it's a tad early for voting(even if we can unvote at the moment) I would but an FoS on rolled but I have reason to believe he's townie.
Two_old
cry more

the fact is you have lurked for this whole game, I've seen you do it just by being active myself

I can't even remember anything you have contributed and I feel it was intentional

your death gives too much information, it makes no sense not to lynch you when you also have been acting like mafia
Sleep Powder
I find that bandwagon vote hilarious btw... (Two/Rolled)

Vote: Two

@rust45, early isn't really an issue, but what makes you think Rolled is a townie?
Two_old
and I find your lack of understanding disgusting as a human being and american

edit: at least have the humility to ask questions and educate yourself
Two_old
you know what? I'm tired of this game

I'm tired of having to try to convince people that refuse to read, that refuse to comprehend, that refuse to even participate in this game

newsflash: I was confirmed town day 2

anyone with half a brain that read the thread knew that already (ie no one)

but I guess that isn't plain enough for you people is it? how about this:

roleclaim sane cop

that good enough? lets just get rid of our safety net and rest all of our hopes on whether foulcoon is lying or not (hint: he is if we lynch rust45 and he isn't mafia)

Two_old
at night I scanned rolled but was roleblocked, when chris died in the morning I knew for sure that he used his ability on me because of that

I then figured that if rolled were to night kill me it wouldn't have been because he thought I was aux, and so he wouldn't roleblock me

so then I turned to the other person who supposedly thinks: ph0x, and centered my post around the point of him being mafia

and then we have his name cleared by the information that 2 mafia voted for quaraezha

and so that leaves rust45 (likely to be mafia by his actions), lilac (likely to be mafia by his actions, also tried to group me, rolled and chris together as bmin, which he thought was safe at that point since it had already been said twice before that I believe), and rolled, who is almost definitely not mafia for multiple reasons

because of the above, here is what you do:
lynch rust45 today, he is confirmed mafia for sure, force lilac not to vote for him
then I die at night, foulcoon says how many mafia voted for rust45 in the morning
when he gets 0, you then lynch lilac and win

worst case scenarios:
1. rolled is mafia and it takes 1 extra day to win, big deal
2. foulcoon lied (most likely if rust45 is town), in which case you lynch foulcoon on day 3 and choose between animask and ph0x on day 4 (I suggest ph0x)

now don't expect me to reply to anything stupid you say in response, I will only be voting from now on for the sake of my sanity
Rolled

animask wrote:

I find that bandwagon vote hilarious btw... (Two/Rolled)
I knew you would ^___^

It's not so much me bandwagoning as it is me agreeing, though.
rust45
Well Two that's funny, because I don't believe you're the cop. Considering I'm the cop.
And last night I investigated Rolled and found him to be innocent. As to what you're trying to pass off as the truth, it's untrue considering I'm the cop.

He's my theory of what happened assuming you're mafia:
You or your partner wanted to kill Rolled because you figured a kill on him would distance you from the killing, but Chris had swapped himself with Rolled. Thus Chris got killed instead. Then you assumed this when the day started and decided to try to make people think you were the attempted murder of the night, trying to make you look town.
Rolled
God damnit.

unvote

Not voting until I figure this shit out.
Rolled

Two wrote:

roleclaim sane cop
This did bother me. How would you know whether or not you were sane at this point in the game, assuming you were truthful about the N1 actions?
Rolled

Two wrote:

at night I scanned rolled but was roleblocked
Two is also suggestiing that he was both the target for NK, and roleblocked. That's just kind of weird, and would be hard for him to conclude both just based on what he thinks my meta would be.

Okay, suggestions now, based on Two's plan ^_^:

Either Rust or Two is mafia, this goes without say based on counter-claims and LAL policy.

Rust's overall cop claim story sounds more believable. Focusing solely on the cop-claim, not activity that happened earlier in the game.

The ratio of humans:mafia right now is 5:2. If we lynch Two today, the possibilities are as follows:

1.) Two is mafia. Day 3 ratio will be 1:4, and assuming foulcoon's claim is correct, lilac is the other mafia.
2.) Two's is town. Day 3 ratio will be 2:3, however (still assuming foulcoon is correct), Lilac and Rust are both mafia.

The only way town will lose is if foulcoon or myself is mafia. I appear to have support of my innocence from both mafia side and town side, and I along with other people have reason to believe foulcoon is town.

This is pretty much an attempt to redeem myself in this game, as I've been an absolute terrible town player. I'll be changing the way I play for future games. Sorry team :(
Two_old
oh cool rust45 admits he's mafia now

the reason why I said sane cop is because I asked ladysuburu immediately if I was sane

she said that she shouldn't tell me this but yes

edit: last post I promise :X
I will only be voting from now on for the sake of my sanity
Rolled
If you were willing to vote Rust/Rolled/Bmin, based on just foulcoon's claim, then why are you not willing to substitute yourself in there. It's the same concept, town will still win.
Two_old

Rolled wrote:

If you were willing to vote Rust/Rolled/Bmin, based on just foulcoon's claim, then why are you not willing to substitute yourself in there. It's the same concept, town will still win.
Think about this: rust45 knows that town can do that. Why would he even bother to roleclaim then unless that plan wouldn't work?

Also, I never said I wouldn't, you just assumed that out of thin air again. You are predisposed to believing I'm mafia. That's why you went from thinking rust45 was mafia, to his weak counterclaim suddenly making me look like mafia. No rational person goes from point a to d.

Anyway if you guys really end up being dumb enough to buy his claim, the safest course of action is just to leave us both alive and lynch Lilac. I absolutely refuse to vote for myself based on not only the first sentence of this post, but principle and pride. That really is a pathetic counterclaim.

last post for reallll, Rolled just annoyed me with his stupidity
Ph0X
I smell a lot of appeal to emotion and false dilemma brewing in this thread.

I am keeping my vote on Two, and am FoS'ing foul.
Rolled
Reason for FoSing foul?

You have to understand, ph0x, it's easy to miss things in your posts ;(
Ph0X

Rolled wrote:

You have to understand, ph0x, it's easy to miss things in your posts ;(
I believe Two is mafia, and foul is his buddy assisting in his plan.
Ph0X

Ph0X wrote:

Rolled wrote:

You have to understand, ph0x, it's easy to miss things in your posts ;(
I believe Two is mafia, and foul is his buddy assisting in his plan.
At least, that's what I find most likely right now.

I already mentioned a Two-foul association early day 2, which supports my theory.
Two_old
I liedd, I guess I want to win bad enough to post again

here is what is most likely: rust45 Lilac and ph0x are mafia

why? role distribution: town has 3 aux+2masons (bus driver sensor cop)

rust45 roleclaiming makes no sense if it's just him and Lilac, since buying a day doesn't do anything -- unless all you need is a day because there are 3 mafia left

it literally makes 0 sense to lynch me over Lilac, unless you are mafia (hi ph0x)
Two_old
oh, unvote, vote: Lilac
Ph0X

Two wrote:

it literally makes 0 sense to lynch me over Lilac, unless you are mafia (hi ph0x)
From the facts we have, what distinguishes you from Lilac?
Two_old

Ph0X wrote:

From the facts we have, what distinguishes you from Lilac?
2 mafia voted for quaraezha
rolled is generally considered not mafia
rust and I roleclaimed the same role
Lilac is the only one left

IF there are 3 mafia, it would make no sense to gamble by voting for one of the roleclaimed cops (since one is definitely town, or do you dispute even that?), and instead it would make sense to vote for Lilac and compare aux information day 3
Sleep Powder
I do find it a bit odd that Ph0X would agree with my emotional response scum-tell.

I would expect something a bit more to reinforce his ideas. (Sort of meta-gaming...)

FoS Ph0X

@Two, we have a confirmed Bus Driver, but no actual confirmed sensor. (Did foulcoon roleclaim sensor yet?)

rust45 claims that he is the actual cop and not you.

Also, you shouldn't lie. If rust45 claims as the cop and you say its a lie, that can only mean that you are mafia or are
just hiding something in general.

Rolled's unvote (could say) that he is actually a townie and believed Two wasn't mafia, but
is now unsure because of rust45's roleclaim. Then again, this could be a setup by Rolled and rust45
to make Two look guiltier.

Now, I'm just throwing random ideas out there...
Two_old

animask wrote:

Also, you shouldn't lie. If rust45 claims as the cop and you say its a lie, that can only mean that you are mafia or are
just hiding something in general.
foulcoon isn't allowed to claim obviously

and please animask, I beg you to understand this one thing if nothing else: rust45 claimed cop in order to buy the 1 day that his team of 3 mafia needs to win the game
rust45
You seem so sure of yourself that there are three mafia, while this cannot be true at all. Considering in the OP of the game, LS said that the setup for the game will resemble one from this topic with a few other roles added. I honestly don't think LS would consider a three mafia setup to resemble one of those setups which are all two mafia setups. I honestly don't get where you got the idea that there were three mafia, sounds like you're trying to come up with crazy theories to try to get people off your back.
Two_old
We already know for a fact that our role setup doesn't resemble anything from that topic. Yet another weak post. Here is my full theory:

Two:cop 1
foulcoon:sensor 2
quaraezha:mason 3
animask:mason \\ ph0x:mason (yeah right rofl) 4
chris: bus driver 5
rust45: mafia 6
Lilac: mafia 7
ph0x: mafia \\ animask:mafia (yeah right rofl) 8

but then we get to rolled, the 9th player, which we can then conclude two things (if the rest is right):

1. rolled isn't mason
2. rolled is either the sole vanilla town, or he is aux as well

since I find it unlikely that rolled is the sole vanilla town, and since this game is called "experimental mafia", I think the experiment was this: there is no vanilla town

so are you aux rolled? that would confirm my theory, but even if he isn't we can still assume that he is the sole vanilla and that 3 aux + 2 masons are overpowered enough for there to be 3 mafia
Two_old
I'd like to thank rust45 for allowing me to flesh all of this out. Without him I wouldn't have realized there were 3 mafia, and without him I wouldn't have confirmed animask's innocence. Thanks bud.
Ph0X
So your conclusion, Two, is that rust is mafia, I am mafia, and either Rolled or Lilac are mafia?
Two_old
Nope, rust confirmed that Rolled is town. Thanks for that too.
Ph0X

Two wrote:

Nope, rust confirmed that Rolled is town. Thanks for that too.
So who are the three mafia?
Two_old
please don't try to play games

you lose
Ph0X

Two wrote:

please don't try to play games

you lose
Why bother proposing scenarios and ideas if you won't answer questions about them?
Two_old
because we both know that I already answered the question in the post you are asking the question about

since I realize that there has been communication problems in this game, though, I'll bite:

for the 3rd or 4th time, ph0x, Lilac, and rust45 are the mafia in this game
Ph0X

Two wrote:

for the 3rd or 4th time, ph0x, Lilac, and rust45 are the mafia in this game
Well, you're wrong.
Two_old

Ph0X wrote:

Well, you're wrong.
Ph0X
... but you already knew you are wrong anyway.
Two_old
foulcoon has lurked, rolled has lurked, animask has lurked

we only had 4 days left to do something 2 days ago

whether you choose to win or lose, do something please
foulcoon
I really need to see what Rolled has to say before I make a decision.
Rolled
Fuck if I know bro. Obviously either Two or Rust is mafia. Given that maaaaaybe there is actually 3 mafia, which is retarded, I guess that makes Lilac the safest day 2 lynch? I'm hung over right now and I just woke up, just giving a bit of input as you requested.
foulcoon
Are you saying you aren't aux then?
Rolled
Well truthfully, I discovered that my role does have a special ability that I wasn't fully aware of until the middle of Day 2. Up until then, I was under the impression that I was just a mere vanilla.

LAL, etc. I'm asking you to trust that I fully wasn't aware up until recently. Give me until Day 3 and I'll be able to prove it.

That said, it is likely that there is no Vanilla Town amongst us, possibly giving some support to the 3 mafia theory (which I still feel is broken)

Rolled wrote:

as I've been an absolute terrible town player
Two_old

Rolled wrote:

as I've been an absolute terrible town player
yes you have been

Rolled wrote:

Well truthfully, I discovered that my role does have a special ability
ok cool you realize that confirms my role list right? the only other possibility is: rust45, foulcoon, ph0x as mafia

because of that, the safest lynch from my perspective is rust45, followed by ph0x

I'm still willing to vote for Lilac though since it is the most likely combination
Ph0X

Two wrote:

the only other possibility is: rust45, foulcoon, ph0x as mafia
Did you mean Lilac, not foul?
foulcoon

Two wrote:

because we both know that I already answered the question in the post you are asking the question about

since I realize that there has been communication problems in this game, though, I'll bite:

for the 3rd or 4th time, ph0x, Lilac, and rust45 are the mafia in this game
lol... Ph0X u readin' brah?

I don't know whether or not to believe Two and Rolled but its getting slightly more convincing as we go. Coupled with the fact that no matter how much I defended you Ph0X you still decide to throw suspicion my way, I have a lot of thinking to do. I am not mafia, I think everybody knows this by now.
Two_old
If this:
SPOILER

Two wrote:

We already know for a fact that our role setup doesn't resemble anything from that topic. Yet another weak post. Here is my full theory:

Two:cop 1
foulcoon:sensor 2
quaraezha:mason 3
animask:mason \\ ph0x:mason (yeah right rofl) 4
chris: bus driver 5
rust45: mafia 6
Lilac: mafia 7
ph0x: mafia \\ animask:mafia (yeah right rofl) 8

but then we get to rolled, the 9th player, which we can then conclude two things (if the rest is right):

1. rolled isn't mason
2. rolled is either the sole vanilla town, or he is aux as well

since I find it unlikely that rolled is the sole vanilla town, and since this game is called "experimental mafia", I think the experiment was this: there is no vanilla town

so are you aux rolled? that would confirm my theory, but even if he isn't we can still assume that he is the sole vanilla and that 3 aux + 2 masons are overpowered enough for there to be 3 mafia
I'd like to thank rust45 for allowing me to flesh all of this out. Without him I wouldn't have realized there were 3 mafia, and without him I wouldn't have confirmed animask's innocence. Thanks bud.
Nope, rust confirmed that Rolled is town. Thanks for that too.

Rolled wrote:

my role does have a special ability
[and the related rust posts that I'm too lazy to include]

and the way ph0x and rust have been acting aren't enough to convince you, then really there is nothing that will
Two_old
THE DAY ENDS IN 14 HOURS

I hate you all for being so apathetic
Two_old
vote: Lilac
Ph0X
Vote: Two

Forgot about the reset.
Two_old
and there is your irrefutable proof that ph0x is mafia: any logical person wouldn't have voted for rust or me (he says he thinks there are 2 mafia, remember)
foulcoon
For some of us its a game of chance at this point. I would much rather put my vote on you or rust just because one of you is mafia. 50-50 chance here.
Two_old
no you wouldn't foulcoon because that's wrong

there are 4 town 3 mafia

if you vote for rust, it will be a tie breaker at best since I already voted (I assumed lilac was the only person we could collectively agree on)

explain to me why you are against lynching lilac for information when you already know that rust or I is town? you said yourself 2 mafia voted for quaraezha so you should have no problem with lilac
Ph0X
Lilac?

Mind posting?
Lilac
Oh sure.

It's kinda getting hectic when I just got back my internet. Reading back on it, Two is kinda getting desperate but I'm leaning to believe that Two's emotions are getting the better of him.

...Not sure... I'm leaning towards voting Two because of my earlier statements about him. Reading on it more, though.
Ph0X
How many mafia do you think there are?
Ph0X

Ph0X wrote:

How many mafia do you think there are?
^ Question to all players (except Two, because he doesn't like clearly stating answers).

I think there are two mafia myself.
Lilac
Question time, alright.

The possibility of 3 mafia is possible, but I'm thinking that it really isn't the case... I'm saying 90% that it's two...
rust45
I still think there are only two mafia, as I said in my other post regarding this. Sure the role setup is different then the ones in the topic (a confirmed mason and possible sensor) but most of what Two said was role speculation and I don't think LS would change the ratio of town to scum for the game.
Rolled
Obviously, most people will assume there are two mafia members. However, having three mafia members doesn't seem to out-there of a possibility.

And since there is a possibility of three members, lynching one of the two cop-claims can lose us the game. So unless you're 100% certain that there's only two mafia members, lynching rust/two isn't the smartest choice you can make.
Rolled
Vote: Lilac
rust45
Wait a second, the day isn't ending that soon. Two said the deadline is gonna be 11 hours. Using my time, that would be the 10th of July at 11:16 AM, but the day started on the 6th of July at 11:16 AM. Wouldn't this make the deadline the 11th of July at 11:16 AM? Not the 10th? Or am I messing up my math?
Rolled
Two messed up the deadline. Scumpaint opportunity!
Two_old
yes the day is ending that soon

yes you can't do math

and yes you are bad at this game
rust45

Two wrote:

yes the day is ending that soon

yes you can't do math

and yes you are bad at this game
False
False and...
Maybe

Anyway, I need to sleep, don't worry I'll vote as I plan on getting up before 11:16 AM on Monday(Not Sunday).
Lilac
Vote: Two

Earlier stuff I talked about, HoS, Emotional wreck and I probably won't have the internet tomorrow.
Two_old
another admission of guilt

magnificent
Lilac
You've lost the plot, haven't you?
Two_old
Plot? It simply makes no sense for town to vote for me unless they think that there not only is 3 mafia, but that I am a member of the 3 mafia team. And who would my team mates be? That is where your fake argument would fall apart. So thanks for claiming, and be sure to thank rust45 for selling ph0x and you out.
Lilac
You've done nothing but spit conjecture.

IF foulcoon was sensor.

IF you are the cop.

In fact, you're whole argument is only structured on those two statements, if either of those are false, your argument becomes moot.
Ph0X
Oh look, someone who pays attention.
Ph0X
Also, to help resolve the day end confusion:

Day 2 start post

Here, it shows: Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:16 pm

My last post shows: Sun Jul 10, 2011 5:04 am

With a bit of magic, we easily discern that 3 days, 14 hours, and 48 minutes have elapsed between the two posts.

That means we have just above 9 hours until the day ends.

I am going to sleep now, so unless I awaken late (probably), I'll be able to reconsider my vote. But until then, my vote sticks.

Vote: Two
Two_old
you already voted for me dawg

or are you hoping for some kind of psychological effect?

pretty sure foulcoon isn't dumb, and I think animask trusts rolled, foulcoon and I collectively more than you, so tough luck
Sleep Powder
Still voting for Two tho...

Vote: Two

24 hour reset thing?

@Two, if you turn out cop then we'll believe you. (and possibly go through with your plan)
If mafia, then I'll have successfully predicted mafia for the first time ever.
Think of this as a sacrifice for now...

If something else happens, I'd vote for Ph0X next day. (That's just me though.)
foulcoon
I guess it doesn't really matter if I vote now considering that's 3 for two and rust will follow. Its 4 to lynch, I hope for your sake animask that Two is mafia. As for the night, I would like to hear who rust plans to investigate. If Two turns out to be mafia, you may just be the night kill. If two is town, gg well played mafia.
Two_old
yep, we lose

good job animask, good job foulcoon

and no it wasn't well played by mafia, you'd know that if you read the thread at all

cutting myself
rust45
I'm still sure of myself that the day isn't ending that soon. But I'm getting tired of this day and as someone else said. His arguments are based off of two things that are not confirmed to be true(him being cop, and foul being sensor). With that said, I'm gonna Vote: Two
foulcoon

Two wrote:

yep, we lose

good job animask, good job foulcoon

and no it wasn't well played by mafia, you'd know that if you read the thread at all

cutting myself
don't good job me bro, my vote doesn't matter this time around.
Sleep Powder
Also, Two could be the mafia rolecop... (setups in the OP link)

To Ph0X's old question that I just saw after re-reading.

I think there are 2 mafia members. This makes sense if you
compare the previous HNM and the possible setups mentioned
earlier.
Ph0X
Uh, day should have ended?

LS posted in another thread...

Mod: Should not the day have ended already?
Lilac
Ballot Box Manager: Once per game, can use his ablility to reset the votes in the box. This ability is able to be used up to 12 hours past the official deadline. (Yes, this means even if not present in the game, I am allowing 12 hours of discussion PAST the lynch deadline, or when someone is lynched via votes.)
Well, what now?
Sleep Powder
What should we talk about now?

Is the mod even here? Where is Suburu?
Lilac
Suburu is always here.

Suburu is always watching.
Ph0X

Lilac wrote:

Suburu is always here.

Suburu is always watching.
Suburu is ceiling cat.
rust45

Lilac wrote:

Ballot Box Manager: Once per game, can use his ablility to reset the votes in the box. This ability is able to be used up to 12 hours past the official deadline. (Yes, this means even if not present in the game, I am allowing 12 hours of discussion PAST the lynch deadline, or when someone is lynched via votes.)
Well, what now?
I would think LS would inform us if the Manager used there ability.
Two_old

foulcoon wrote:

don't good job me bro, my vote doesn't matter this time around.
it didn't matter once rust voted (nice confidence in your math there)(and which hadn't happened when I posted that), unless your vote would have swayed animask which no one knows
Ph0X
Uh...?
rust45
MOD: Why hasn't the day ended yet?
rust45
Vote: Two
Maybe I was right with my math and LS didn't notice there were four posts on Two before the reset.
Ph0X
Vote: rust
Rolled
Vote: LadySuburu
Topic Starter
LadySuburu
Sorry, stuff came up.

Anyway...

It seems the box where you put your votes went missing. All votes have been reset.

24 Hour extention from this point.
Lilac
lol, Ballot Box Manager.
Two_old
ballot box manager throws a wrench in my role list, so all we can be sure of at this point is that rust45 is mafia

vote rust45
Sleep Powder
something less than FoS on rust45

I'm still going to...

vote Two...?

I'm starting to think Two is the ballot box manager...

or the manager thinks that Two is innocent...

or ballot box manager is mafia...

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