heipizhu wrote:

Julian_Kaiser, Joon Yorigami and ClevelandMyBro still haven't confirmed their role yet, and [RUE]Bambinex is V/LA from 7 July to 21 July.
I'll start looking for a replacement for [RUE]Bambinex now, and I'll also look for replacement for Julian, Joon and Cleveland if the 3 1 players aren't able to confirm in 24 hours.

CleverlandMyBro and Joon Yorigami have confirmed

YyottaCat wrote:

Let’s take a closer look here.

Sam’s last action was to make an inquiry on WELUVMYUKA. This leaves some possibility for them to convince their teammate to help with taking a vengeful action.

Kobold84 wrote:

Hm, interesting, a lot happened during the night it seems. Considering the ice kill went through and fire kill did not, they clearly did not target the same person. Still not sure about all the rules, so can be wrong about some scenarios, but the following must've happened:
1) fire planet could not figure out who to target, which is quite possible due to IAVS dying;
2) the second fire planet member was/is inactive during the night and did nothing while IAVS is dead, which is also possible, especially because the night only ended AFTER the deadline;
3) fire planet actually did target someone and the town doctor saved them, seems quite possible, now we only need to consider WHO exactly was saved and WHY, but the doctor should probably not reveal themselves yet.

Julian_Kaiser wrote:

Apologies for not responding to the game since its initialisation, I missed out as I had forgotten about the existence of this game. Moreover, I was inactive on the forums throughout the past months and I just realised that I had signed up for participation when I checked my messages.

It seems I have missed out on the previous day.

WELUVMYUKA wrote:

Idk say what VOTE: AIR(

Aireunaeus wrote:

WELUVMYUKA wrote:

Idk say what VOTE: AIR(

Why Me?? i did nothing wrong 😭😭

Aireunaeus wrote:

WELUVMYUKA wrote:

Idk say what VOTE: AIR(

Why Me?? i did nothing wrong 😭😭

WELUVMYUKA wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

WELUVMYUKA wrote:

Idk say what VOTE: AIR(

Why Me?? i did nothing wrong 😭😭

I'm so sorry

Joon Yorigami wrote:

wait is it possible that julian is the other fire planet due to inactivity for day 1

Joon Yorigami wrote:

Joon Yorigami wrote:

wait is it possible that julian is the other fire planet due to inactivity for day 1

I still think this can be true so
Vote: Julian_Kaiser

ClevelandsMyBro wrote:

Joon Yorigami wrote:

Joon Yorigami wrote:

wait is it possible that julian is the other fire planet due to inactivity for day 1

I still think this can be true so
Vote: Julian_Kaiser

why do you think inactivity = scum? in fact i think his lack of activity may suggest he's just a townie. if he WAS a scum then he wouldn't act so nonchalantly to being absolutely inactive throughout day 1. plus his last post was from 4 days ago.

but sure. lets say he IS scum. now what i want to know is why do you think he is fire planet.

Joon Yorigami wrote:

wait is it possible that julian is the other fire planet due to inactivity for day 1

GamlA wrote:

Joon Yorigami wrote:

wait is it possible that julian is the other fire planet due to inactivity for day 1

Are you absolutely sure that it couldn't be anyone else?

Aireunaeus wrote:

Noone to suspect right now, lack of activity

Joon Yorigami wrote:

wait is it possible that julian is the other fire planet due to inactivity for day 1

Joon Yorigami wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

Noone to suspect right now, lack of activity

can you at least give insights on current posts about what you think

Joon Yorigami wrote:

wait is it possible that julian is the other fire planet due to inactivity for day 1

especially this

Joon Yorigami wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

Noone to suspect right now, lack of activity

can you at least give insights on current posts about what you think

Joon Yorigami wrote:

wait is it possible that julian is the other fire planet due to inactivity for day 1

especially this

Aireunaeus wrote:

so my suspects are pretty much noone

ClevelandsMyBro wrote:

GamlA wrote:

Joon Yorigami wrote:

wait is it possible that julian is the other fire planet due to inactivity for day 1

Are you absolutely sure that it couldn't be anyone else?

its honestly the best lead we have right now. unless someone else is silenced for the entire duration of the night then its very possible julian is fire planet.

@Julian_Kaiser clear yourself

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

YyottaCat wrote:

Please clear yourself, I AM VERY SMART.

I just said that GamlA is safe because too many people vote for them.

But of course I am defending my scum partner, of course.

Aireunaeus wrote:

Joon Yorigami wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

Noone to suspect right now, lack of activity

can you at least give insights on current posts about what you think

Joon Yorigami wrote:

wait is it possible that julian is the other fire planet due to inactivity for day 1

especially this

i don't think kaiser is really a scum due to him being inactive in this game. he could be one but it highly doubt it. gamla is definetly not a scum either. and we can also confirm that noumi is also not a scum. he rarely posts there and only posts if heipizu prodds him

so my suspects are pretty much noone

Kobold84 wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

Joon Yorigami wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

Noone to suspect right now, lack of activity

can you at least give insights on current posts about what you think

Joon Yorigami wrote:

wait is it possible that julian is the other fire planet due to inactivity for day 1

especially this

i don't think kaiser is really a scum due to him being inactive in this game. he could be one but it highly doubt it. gamla is definetly not a scum either. and we can also confirm that noumi is also not a scum. he rarely posts there and only posts if heipizu prodds him

so my suspects are pretty much noone

Not entirely sold on this idea of inactivity = vanilla, if the last game taught me anything it's that being inactive doesn't clear your status. "definitely not a scum" is a very strong sentence, but that's just wishful thinking, if anything that makes you suspicious.

Kobold84 wrote:

Interesting, interesting. So far, ice planet kills are very methodical, I can understand what they're doing and why.

Kobold84 wrote:

Now, as for the strategy for the current day I would propose to single out an ice planet, that way it's possible for double taps to reveal themselves later without much issue, which would massively help us. If you don't understand why, then it's simple: if double-taps reveal themselves with two living ices we won't be able to tell if they are real or if they're ice planets pretending to be them.

GamlA wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

Now, as for the strategy for the current day I would propose to single out an ice planet, that way it's possible for double taps to reveal themselves later without much issue, which would massively help us. If you don't understand why, then it's simple: if double-taps reveal themselves with two living ices we won't be able to tell if they are real or if they're ice planets pretending to be them.

How do you propose we do this?

GamlA wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

Interesting, interesting. So far, ice planet kills are very methodical, I can understand what they're doing and why.

So this implies that the Ice Planets are able to recognise potential threats. Sam and Yyotta were very vocal in the previous days, so I understand.

Aireunaeus wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

Joon Yorigami wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

Noone to suspect right now, lack of activity

can you at least give insights on current posts about what you think

Joon Yorigami wrote:

wait is it possible that julian is the other fire planet due to inactivity for day 1

especially this

i don't think kaiser is really a scum due to him being inactive in this game. he could be one but it highly doubt it. gamla is definetly not a scum either. and we can also confirm that noumi is also not a scum. he rarely posts there and only posts if heipizu prodds him

so my suspects are pretty much noone

Not entirely sold on this idea of inactivity = vanilla, if the last game taught me anything it's that being inactive doesn't clear your status. "definitely not a scum" is a very strong sentence, but that's just wishful thinking, if anything that makes you suspicious.

I said "definitely not a scum" because gamla felt pessimistic at the end and decided to vote himself cuz he thought he would be voted out. That's why I doubt that he's not a scum at all. (But ngl his PFP really fits as a fire planet lol)

GamlA wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

Now, as for the strategy for the current day I would propose to single out an ice planet, that way it's possible for double taps to reveal themselves later without much issue, which would massively help us. If you don't understand why, then it's simple: if double-taps reveal themselves with two living ices we won't be able to tell if they are real or if they're ice planets pretending to be them.

How do you propose we do this?

Kobold84 wrote:

GamlA wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

Now, as for the strategy for the current day I would propose to single out an ice planet, that way it's possible for double taps to reveal themselves later without much issue, which would massively help us. If you don't understand why, then it's simple: if double-taps reveal themselves with two living ices we won't be able to tell if they are real or if they're ice planets pretending to be them.

How do you propose we do this?

For that we'd have to notice connections between players or try to single out anyone suspicious. For the former, I didn't really notice anything odd, I think the winning strategy for them is to try to be as dead/neutral as possible during the day, because if we don't vote, there's no chance we get them and they will continue to kill us each night.
As for the latter, I'm voting nominomu. Sorry not sorry, but we have to move forward somehow and you don't seem to be quite "here".

VOTE: nominomu

nominomu wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

GamlA wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

Now, as for the strategy for the current day I would propose to single out an ice planet, that way it's possible for double taps to reveal themselves later without much issue, which would massively help us. If you don't understand why, then it's simple: if double-taps reveal themselves with two living ices we won't be able to tell if they are real or if they're ice planets pretending to be them.

How do you propose we do this?

For that we'd have to notice connections between players or try to single out anyone suspicious. For the former, I didn't really notice anything odd, I think the winning strategy for them is to try to be as dead/neutral as possible during the day, because if we don't vote, there's no chance we get them and they will continue to kill us each night.
As for the latter, I'm voting nominomu. Sorry not sorry, but we have to move forward somehow and you don't seem to be quite "here".

VOTE: nominomu

ok ok i'll actually do something... i've noticed that the ice planets seem to be knocking out accusatory players that encourage the game to move on (samx and yyottacat), that matches what youre saying (but it does put some suspicion on me though). im a bit suspicious of aireunaeus, he seems to disencourage voting and also he protects the less active players (again, me lmao)

Kobold84 wrote:

nominomu wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

GamlA wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

Now, as for the strategy for the current day I would propose to single out an ice planet, that way it's possible for double taps to reveal themselves later without much issue, which would massively help us. If you don't understand why, then it's simple: if double-taps reveal themselves with two living ices we won't be able to tell if they are real or if they're ice planets pretending to be them.

How do you propose we do this?

For that we'd have to notice connections between players or try to single out anyone suspicious. For the former, I didn't really notice anything odd, I think the winning strategy for them is to try to be as dead/neutral as possible during the day, because if we don't vote, there's no chance we get them and they will continue to kill us each night.
As for the latter, I'm voting nominomu. Sorry not sorry, but we have to move forward somehow and you don't seem to be quite "here".

VOTE: nominomu

ok ok i'll actually do something... i've noticed that the ice planets seem to be knocking out accusatory players that encourage the game to move on (samx and yyottacat), that matches what youre saying (but it does put some suspicion on me though). im a bit suspicious of aireunaeus, he seems to disencourage voting and also he protects the less active players (again, me lmao)

What you are saying is reasonable, especially the second part. I remember there was a similar pattern in Aireunaeus actions in a previous mafia game where he was a scum. All days were him saying something along the lines of "there's no one suspicious for me, I'll abstain from voting" and that led to scum outnumbering vanillas. Could just be playing style shenanigans rather than a role-dependent behaviour, but honestly it lines up with how the ice planet operates almost too well.

VOTE: Aireunaeus

Aireunaeus wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

nominomu wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

GamlA wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

Now, as for the strategy for the current day I would propose to single out an ice planet, that way it's possible for double taps to reveal themselves later without much issue, which would massively help us. If you don't understand why, then it's simple: if double-taps reveal themselves with two living ices we won't be able to tell if they are real or if they're ice planets pretending to be them.

How do you propose we do this?

For that we'd have to notice connections between players or try to single out anyone suspicious. For the former, I didn't really notice anything odd, I think the winning strategy for them is to try to be as dead/neutral as possible during the day, because if we don't vote, there's no chance we get them and they will continue to kill us each night.
As for the latter, I'm voting nominomu. Sorry not sorry, but we have to move forward somehow and you don't seem to be quite "here".

VOTE: nominomu

ok ok i'll actually do something... i've noticed that the ice planets seem to be knocking out accusatory players that encourage the game to move on (samx and yyottacat), that matches what youre saying (but it does put some suspicion on me though). im a bit suspicious of aireunaeus, he seems to disencourage voting and also he protects the less active players (again, me lmao)

What you are saying is reasonable, especially the second part. I remember there was a similar pattern in Aireunaeus actions in a previous mafia game where he was a scum. All days were him saying something along the lines of "there's no one suspicious for me, I'll abstain from voting" and that led to scum outnumbering vanillas. Could just be playing style shenanigans rather than a role-dependent behaviour, but honestly it lines up with how the ice planet operates almost too well.

VOTE: Aireunaeus

Well the reason why i didn’t want to vote anyone out (even the people whom are inactive), is because there is a lack of evidence that they are a scum. I can’t just vote a random guy and they’ll end up as a vanilla type. If someone makes a suspicious move then i actually would vote them of course. I do confirm that just voting out noone is kinda a dumb move but I’ll be more active into finding suspicious and vote anyone. It’s my 3rd time playing an online mafia game.

Kobold84 wrote:

Interesting, interesting. So far, ice planet kills are very methodical, I can understand what they're doing and why.
But fire planets are weird, ignoring that no-kill moment first night, I wouldn't really expect them to come for Shaun last night, IAMVERYSMART actions on the first day were suspicious as well. I assume they had an internal fight at night #1, then the one left alive proceeded to kill Shaun, who was extremely inactive at the time, for whatever reason.

Now, as for the strategy for the current day I would propose to single out an ice planet, that way it's possible for double taps to reveal themselves later without much issue, which would massively help us. If you don't understand why, then it's simple: if double-taps reveal themselves with two living ices we won't be able to tell if they are real or if they're ice planets pretending to be them.

Rezq wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

Interesting, interesting. So far, ice planet kills are very methodical, I can understand what they're doing and why.
But fire planets are weird, ignoring that no-kill moment first night, I wouldn't really expect them to come for Shaun last night, IAMVERYSMART actions on the first day were suspicious as well. I assume they had an internal fight at night #1, then the one left alive proceeded to kill Shaun, who was extremely inactive at the time, for whatever reason.

Now, as for the strategy for the current day I would propose to single out an ice planet, that way it's possible for double taps to reveal themselves later without much issue, which would massively help us. If you don't understand why, then it's simple: if double-taps reveal themselves with two living ices we won't be able to tell if they are real or if they're ice planets pretending to be them.

Wait, does this mean you will be targeted as well because you are pretty active and experienced?

Rezq wrote:

I thought ice was going to kill kobold...

Aireunaeus wrote:

Rezq wrote:

I thought ice was going to kill kobold...

hmmm this sentence is a bit sus

Rezq wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

Interesting, interesting. So far, ice planet kills are very methodical, I can understand what they're doing and why.
But fire planets are weird, ignoring that no-kill moment first night, I wouldn't really expect them to come for Shaun last night, IAMVERYSMART actions on the first day were suspicious as well. I assume they had an internal fight at night #1, then the one left alive proceeded to kill Shaun, who was extremely inactive at the time, for whatever reason.

Now, as for the strategy for the current day I would propose to single out an ice planet, that way it's possible for double taps to reveal themselves later without much issue, which would massively help us. If you don't understand why, then it's simple: if double-taps reveal themselves with two living ices we won't be able to tell if they are real or if they're ice planets pretending to be them.

Wait, does this mean you will be targeted as well because you are pretty active and experienced?

Kobold84 wrote:

Yes, it's true that I seem like a legitimate target, but this doesn't mean it is what will happen. Two possible scenarios that could be in play:
a) it's a ploy to make me seem as a scum, it also redirects discussions from "who is suspicious" to "why is kobold not targetted", seems simple but works well, I assume even if it's true there's some hidden meaning to it as well;
b) ice planet decided to not target me because they don't render me as much of a threat compared to a possible fire planet member, for example, who they are trying to get rid.

The second scenario also implies my deduction wasn't entirely correct when I was suspecting Aireunaeus and nominomu to an extent, but doesn't clear them 100%.

Kobold84 wrote:

We now know Julian was a scum, so it'd be good to scrutinize their actions one more time.

Day 1: complete inaction (confirmed by being allegedly replaced by the organizator), this means whoever is an ice planet was acting alone on the first day and night. Not much information, but worth remembering. To me, that means that one ice planet scum was probably not as risky and spent the day rather passively, knowing full well their team is in a bad spot.

Day 2: Joon accused Julian to be a fire planet due to his low activity.
ClevelandsMyBro defended Julian and remarked how inactivity is more likely to indicate he's a townie. GamlA did not defend Julian, but asked about this accusation.
After a while ClevelandsMyBro decided to put suspicion on Julian as well (without voting however).
Julian defended himself and said he doesn't have a lot of free time currently, while proposing other options to who could be a scum. He also slightly accused GamIA of being a fire planet based on a post of IAVS. The latter to me speaks a lot, because his low activity does seem genuine and this accusation could spiral out of control very fast and put GamIA at a risk of being voted out. Not worth it, if he was his ice partner.

Night 2: Julian died.

Rezq wrote:

Why did fire planet killed him though? They could have use him as a decoy

Kobold84 wrote:

Also I know this is risky, but maybe it's a good time for a double-tap to reveal themselves. If there's only a single person coming out, this means we have one less suspect off the list as they're 100% a townie. If there'd more than one however, then one of them is 100% a scum, which is also good for us and at the very least we can decide between the two (or even three? but unlikely) instead of trying to find the suspicious person among all of us.

Since we're 5 vs 2 right now, we absolutely have to get a planet today, because otherwise the very next day our number could shrink down to 3 vs 2, which is... well, you can imagine how bad that would be.

Rezq wrote:

Ahhh, so in the first night they targeted Julian but his bulletproof activated. So they know that Julian is one of the Ice Planet and targeted him again

Rezq wrote:

Wait, can the golden planet kill?

GamlA wrote:

Now we understand, because of Julian_Kaiser's murder, that the fire planets' absence of a kill on night 1 was due to the depletion of the ice planets' bulletproof.

And because of the ice planets never missing their target, we can say that Team Fire still has their bulletproof.

Kobold84 wrote:

Voting because of the bandwagon last day occurring for no reason. Maybe that would also help in reviving him.

VOTE: Joon Yorigami

Kobold84 wrote:

No one else to claim the role of a double-tap?

Kobold84 wrote:

Voting because of the bandwagon last day occurring for no reason. Maybe that would also help in reviving him.

VOTE: Joon Yorigami

Kobold84 wrote:

No one else to claim the role of a double-tap?

Kobold84 wrote:

Voting because of the bandwagon last day occurring for no reason. Maybe that would also help in reviving him.

VOTE: Joon Yorigami

ClevelandsMyBro wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

No one else to claim the role of a double-tap?

ofc not because hes dead.

ClevelandsMyBro wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

Voting because of the bandwagon last day occurring for no reason. Maybe that would also help in reviving him.

VOTE: Joon Yorigami

dont think theres no reasoning behind the wagon imo. voting out someone would be beneficial at this later stages of the game. would rather take the gamble than allow scums to take control of the night but thats from my experience.

ClevelandsMyBro wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

No one else to claim the role of a double-tap?

ofc not because hes dead.

Kobold84 wrote:

ClevelandsMyBro wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

No one else to claim the role of a double-tap?

ofc not because hes dead.

As I explained, one of the planets could lie and say he is a double-tap. Doesn't seem like it will be the case.

Kobold84 wrote:

It's been 2 days since my request and nominomu claimed to be one, so yeah, guess that settles it. The only one who did not post anything yet is Aireunaeus.