I am and will forever be against no lynch. I would rather have a 10% chance to lynch mafia than 0. Losing a day so aux roles have a chance at finding mafia isn't worth it. It's the aux role's job to play in a way that they don't get chosen at night/day, and if they can't do that we lose anyway.
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Sure there would be a 0% chance of lynching mafia - there would also be a 0% chance of lynching a townie. If we had a consensus on one or two candiates then I would say sure, let's lynch one of them. But we don't, so I feel like the odds of lynching mafia tonight are going to be equal to or less than chance (20% if there are 3 mafia, which, seeing as the last game had 14 players w/3 mafia, is probably a safe guess). Assuming we have 3+ aux roles (we had a doctor + deputy + doctor + nurse last game, so I'd say it's likely), we are just as likely if not more likely to lynch an aux today than a mafioso.Two wrote:
I would rather have a 10% chance to lynch mafia than 0.
Would you really want to take the 80% chance of lynching a townie, with a 20-30% chance of hitting an aux, for a 20% chance of hitting mafia?
Though now that I think of it you probably aren't going to change your mind no matter what I say so there probably wasn't any point in typing this up. Oh well.
If anyone has any better ideas (specifically, we should lynch x), then please speak up, but if we can't come to any conclusions then I really do think a no lynch isn't the worst backup plan.
Actually wait a sec.
Here are the number of alive players each day, assuming there are no extra kills, no successful protections and no mafia is lynched. Red percentages indicate the odds that we lynch a townie that day
No Lynch
Day 1 - 15 No lynch N/A
Day 2 - 14 79%
Day 3 - 12 75%
Day 4 - 10 70%
Day 5 - 8 lylo, but no lynch must be done to increase the odds of hitting mafia. N/A
Day 6 - 7 lylo 57%
Odds of losing without lynching a single mafia: 23.6%
Lynch
Day 1 - 15 80%
Day 2 - 13 76%
Day 3 - 11 73%
Day 4 - 9 67%
Day 5 - 7 lylo 57%
Odds of losing without lynching a single mafia: 17.0%
We have a minimum of 5 tries with a lynch today - only 4 tries with a no lynch. The no lynch scenario has the advantage of granting one more night action for the auxes, but it's difficult to say whether that balances out or not...
unvote no lynch
I dunno, what do the rest of you think?
Here are the number of alive players each day, assuming there are no extra kills, no successful protections and no mafia is lynched. Red percentages indicate the odds that we lynch a townie that day
No Lynch
Day 1 - 15 No lynch N/A
Day 2 - 14 79%
Day 3 - 12 75%
Day 4 - 10 70%
Day 5 - 8 lylo, but no lynch must be done to increase the odds of hitting mafia. N/A
Day 6 - 7 lylo 57%
Odds of losing without lynching a single mafia: 23.6%
Lynch
Day 1 - 15 80%
Day 2 - 13 76%
Day 3 - 11 73%
Day 4 - 9 67%
Day 5 - 7 lylo 57%
Odds of losing without lynching a single mafia: 17.0%
We have a minimum of 5 tries with a lynch today - only 4 tries with a no lynch. The no lynch scenario has the advantage of granting one more night action for the auxes, but it's difficult to say whether that balances out or not...
unvote no lynch
I dunno, what do the rest of you think?
QUAD POST YEAH
Also those percentages assume 3 mafia, as stated in my previous paragraph.
Also those percentages assume 3 mafia, as stated in my previous paragraph.
naptime
Oh wow nice percentages. I wasn't a big fan of "not voting and letting aux do their thing" either since that doesn't seem to guarantee a smarter lynch on Day 2, especially with this many players to sway.
As for who I want to lynch now, it's hard to think of an answer that won't just seem baseless and random. If it's just a vote, probably Quaraezha or someone who suddenly stopped posting despite a bunch of stuff popping up.
As for who I want to lynch now, it's hard to think of an answer that won't just seem baseless and random. If it's just a vote, probably Quaraezha or someone who suddenly stopped posting despite a bunch of stuff popping up.
About the gambit trick thing: the intention is basically to see if Wojjan is lying or not. I suppose it would also work for anyone else we lynch though, not necessarily just animask. At this point animask does somewhat strike me as pro-town, despite being really stupid, so it might not be best to lynch him.
About seeing of Wojjan is lying or not: townies pretty much never have any reason to lie about anything in a game, with the exception of specific circumstances like roleclaiming Paranoid Gun Owner or Bomb or something. The mafia, however, have reason to lie about everything they say. They don't think someone is suspicious or believe someone is pro-town, they know someone is mafia or town or whatever. Acting weird and then coming up with a false reason that can be verified as false is not something a townie would do. A lying townie does nothing but work against his own team.
About who to lynch: it's probably too late to do the gambit thing, unless everyone agrees on someone to lynch. Thing is, there isn't really anything to go off of. At this point, I'm inclined to just vote Quaraezha. He hasn't said anything in forever, and what little he did say had virtually no substance. Lurking is generally a null-tell, but a lurking townie still isn't much use anyway. I'd like to at least see his opinion on things.
About seeing of Wojjan is lying or not: townies pretty much never have any reason to lie about anything in a game, with the exception of specific circumstances like roleclaiming Paranoid Gun Owner or Bomb or something. The mafia, however, have reason to lie about everything they say. They don't think someone is suspicious or believe someone is pro-town, they know someone is mafia or town or whatever. Acting weird and then coming up with a false reason that can be verified as false is not something a townie would do. A lying townie does nothing but work against his own team.
About who to lynch: it's probably too late to do the gambit thing, unless everyone agrees on someone to lynch. Thing is, there isn't really anything to go off of. At this point, I'm inclined to just vote Quaraezha. He hasn't said anything in forever, and what little he did say had virtually no substance. Lurking is generally a null-tell, but a lurking townie still isn't much use anyway. I'd like to at least see his opinion on things.
I agree with no lynch for the same reason. We could take the chance, but it would be the same as taking a chance to lynch aux roles. So far, I don't have a clear thought on who could be mafia...
Who should we lynch:
As I said above, I don't have a clear opinion for myself. We could try the Wojjan voting thing, but it's hard to believe Wojjan would try to defence by role claiming that could or couldn't be her role. I'll be happy to go for no lynch at this point.
Who should we lynch:
As I said above, I don't have a clear opinion for myself. We could try the Wojjan voting thing, but it's hard to believe Wojjan would try to defence by role claiming that could or couldn't be her role. I'll be happy to go for no lynch at this point.
As mentioned before though, the chance of a secret doublevoter could cause Wojjan to appear to be lying when he's not. Don't know how likely that is, but it could end quite badly if that was the case and we lynched him tomorrow.
Also, Wojjan is totally a guy.
Also, Wojjan is totally a guy.
those percentages are assuming we lynch a random person every day
it looks a lot different if you factor in the unmeasurable
it looks a lot different if you factor in the unmeasurable
Well yeah of course the percentages aren't exact due to incalculable variables, but the point is that given information we have available to us right now, a lynch tonight gives us better odds than a no lynch in the long run. This doesn't take night actions into account though, so the question is if another night for night actions is worth knocking off a shot at lynching the mafia.Two wrote:
those percentages are assuming we lynch a random person every day
it looks a lot different if you factor in the unmeasurable
Which is a tough call seeing as we have no idea what the setup is like.
Throwing down thoughts as they come to me.
Going by your numbers, we have a 4/15 chance of hitting scum (if there is an SK), 4/15 chance of hitting an aux role and 7/15 to hitting a vanilla if we lynch now. If we lynch later and assume an SK is on the loose and vanillas were killed, we'll have a 4/13 to hitting scum, 4/13 to hit an aux role and a 5/13 to hit a vanilla.
Looking at that we're going to have the same relative chance of hitting an aux/mafia on both situations but down 2 townies by the first lynch. This is all relative to aux roles though but the fact remains that we'll be in a no better position to hit mafia relative to hitting an aux in that situation.
Actually - Let's take a step back. If we do a no lynch with no SK and no successful block, the chance that the mafia will hit an aux would be 4/12 and a 100% chance of a townie dead. Then on our first lynch, we'll have a 3/14 chance (a measly 1.5% increase) to hit a mafia and then lose another townie/aux.
With a lynch we'll at least have a 3/15 chance to hit a mafia then they'll have a 4/11 chance of hitting an aux role (100% for townie). So they'll get an 11% extra chance (assuming miss-lynch) to hit an aux while we'll have a 20% chance to hit one of them. (obviously 100% chance to kill a townie)
Also on a side note, even if we no lynch, there is no guarantee that our cop will turn up a favourable result. Especially in the presence of possible miller roles which might lead to more/possible miss-lynches.
Not sure if that makes sense to anyone... but I'm leaning towards a lynch but I don't know who to lynch just yet.
If I really had to choose it'd come down to a random vote, I'm not convinced that Wojjan or animask are mafia just yet.
And of course, there are the variables which can't be controlled that'll skew things.
Going by your numbers, we have a 4/15 chance of hitting scum (if there is an SK), 4/15 chance of hitting an aux role and 7/15 to hitting a vanilla if we lynch now. If we lynch later and assume an SK is on the loose and vanillas were killed, we'll have a 4/13 to hitting scum, 4/13 to hit an aux role and a 5/13 to hit a vanilla.
Looking at that we're going to have the same relative chance of hitting an aux/mafia on both situations but down 2 townies by the first lynch. This is all relative to aux roles though but the fact remains that we'll be in a no better position to hit mafia relative to hitting an aux in that situation.
Actually - Let's take a step back. If we do a no lynch with no SK and no successful block, the chance that the mafia will hit an aux would be 4/12 and a 100% chance of a townie dead. Then on our first lynch, we'll have a 3/14 chance (a measly 1.5% increase) to hit a mafia and then lose another townie/aux.
With a lynch we'll at least have a 3/15 chance to hit a mafia then they'll have a 4/11 chance of hitting an aux role (100% for townie). So they'll get an 11% extra chance (assuming miss-lynch) to hit an aux while we'll have a 20% chance to hit one of them. (obviously 100% chance to kill a townie)
Also on a side note, even if we no lynch, there is no guarantee that our cop will turn up a favourable result. Especially in the presence of possible miller roles which might lead to more/possible miss-lynches.
Not sure if that makes sense to anyone... but I'm leaning towards a lynch but I don't know who to lynch just yet.
If I really had to choose it'd come down to a random vote, I'm not convinced that Wojjan or animask are mafia just yet.
And of course, there are the variables which can't be controlled that'll skew things.
Topic Starter
VOTE COUNT
animask (4) - adam2046, Wojjan, Mashley, pieguy1372
Mashley (1) - Two
Not Voting (10) - Quaraezha, animask, naptime, LadySuburu, DeathxShinigami, Lybydose, intermu, 0_o, bmin11, Rantai
WITH 15 ALIVE, IT TAKES 8 TO HAMMER.
DEADLINE IS IN 1 DAY
animask (4) - adam2046, Wojjan, Mashley, pieguy1372
Mashley (1) - Two
Not Voting (10) - Quaraezha, animask, naptime, LadySuburu, DeathxShinigami, Lybydose, intermu, 0_o, bmin11, Rantai
WITH 15 ALIVE, IT TAKES 8 TO HAMMER.
DEADLINE IS IN 1 DAY
naptime
Ha and I'm apparently pulling numbers out of my ass.
3% not 11%.
3% not 11%.
vote: Quaraezha
Sorry guys, really am, guess I really can't handle too many mafia games.
(I'll be more active in the other Mafia threads soon)
So I'll probably ask to be replaced by rust.
(I'll be more active in the other Mafia threads soon)
So I'll probably ask to be replaced by rust.
Vote: Quaraezha
Doesn't really matter what happens to your character at this point anyways...
Doesn't really matter what happens to your character at this point anyways...
Well then, I'll Vote: Quaraezha as well. So you'll need 4 more votes to kill him off.
Topic Starter
VOTE COUNT
Quaraezha (5) - naptime, Lybydose, Two, DeathxShinigami, Wojjan
animask (3) - adam2046, Mashley, pieguy1372
Not Voting (7) - Quaraezha, animask, LadySuburu, intermu, 0_o, bmin11, Rantai
WITH 15 ALIVE, IT TAKES 8 TO HAMMER.
DEADLINE IS IN AROUND 10 HOURS
Quaraezha (5) - naptime, Lybydose, Two, DeathxShinigami, Wojjan
animask (3) - adam2046, Mashley, pieguy1372
Not Voting (7) - Quaraezha, animask, LadySuburu, intermu, 0_o, bmin11, Rantai
WITH 15 ALIVE, IT TAKES 8 TO HAMMER.
DEADLINE IS IN AROUND 10 HOURS
animask (4) - adam2046, Mashley, pieguy1372Is this a mistake?
He probably counted my vote for animask by mistake (I unvoted)
But it wouldn't hurt to ask
was that a mistake, NoHItter?
But it wouldn't hurt to ask
was that a mistake, NoHItter?
Topic Starter
Yes it was.
Fixed.
Fixed.
Vote: Quaraezha
Hammer time?
He's never really useful anyways.
Hammer time?
He's never really useful anyways.
Perfect reasoning right here.animask wrote:
Vote: Quaraezha
Hammer time?
He's never really useful anyways.
What's with the sudden bandwagon? If you're going to lynch someone without solid reasoning at least lynch someone who's actively disruptive towards the town ie animask
unvote
I'm not so sure Quaraezha is mafia, but of all the players I think he's the most suspicious. vote: Quaraezha
I'm not so sure Quaraezha is mafia, but of all the players I think he's the most suspicious. vote: Quaraezha
Vote: Quaraezha
Let's see if Wojjan was lying.
Let's see if Wojjan was lying.
Topic Starter
FINAL VOTE COUNT OF THE DAY
Quaraezha (8) - naptime, Lybydose, Two, DeathxShinigami, Wojjan, animask, pieguy1372, Rantai
animask (2) - adam2046, Mashley
Not Voting (5) - Quaraezha, LadySuburu, intermu, 0_o, bmin11
Quaraezha has been lynched.
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"So guys. That bomb didn't set-up by itselfs. Let's go lynch someone!"
"But who do we lynch we don't have a lead at all?"
"Let's go lynch someone!"
"Yeah... I already said that, but who do we lynch?"
"Yeah... I already said that."
A silence engulfed everyone. Why was that person only echoing what others were saying?
"Oh fine. It's because I was given some talking restriction by the mod."
"By who?"
"The mod. Don't think about it. You're just breaking the fourth wall. Anyway, since I broke it, my vote won't count."
"Votes?"
"Just accept it."
"By the way guys, Quaraezha seems to be sleeping and not participating."
"Let's lynch him! I'll be voting him now."
Soon, eight people including the one whose vote wasn't supposed to count voted Quaraezha.
As if by some outside intervention, Quaraezha was then led to the tree that everyone knew was cut partly, and his sleeping body was placed next to it. It seemed as no one was in control of their body, and just accepted the fact that Quaraezha was to be lynched.
A small push was made and the tree fell down on Quaraezha.
By the time everyone snapped back to their senses, it was too late. Quaraezha was dead - crushed by the tree. More importantly, the lynch occurred.
Quaraezha - Townie - crushed by a tree - DAY 1. (Lynched)
"Wait a minute. How do we know that Quaraezha was really a townie?"
"I don't know either, but it's best if we not break the fourth wall. Anyway it's Night."
"Huh? Last I check it was still noon..."
Suddenly, the sun skimmed through the horizon and was now setting. Night would begin soon.
"Nevermind..."
IT IS NOW NIGHT 1. ALL ACTIONS MUST BE SENT IN 48 HOURS.
Quaraezha (8) - naptime, Lybydose, Two, DeathxShinigami, Wojjan, animask, pieguy1372, Rantai
animask (2) - adam2046, Mashley
Not Voting (5) - Quaraezha, LadySuburu, intermu, 0_o, bmin11
Quaraezha has been lynched.
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"So guys. That bomb didn't set-up by itselfs. Let's go lynch someone!"
"But who do we lynch we don't have a lead at all?"
"Let's go lynch someone!"
"Yeah... I already said that, but who do we lynch?"
"Yeah... I already said that."
A silence engulfed everyone. Why was that person only echoing what others were saying?
"Oh fine. It's because I was given some talking restriction by the mod."
"By who?"
"The mod. Don't think about it. You're just breaking the fourth wall. Anyway, since I broke it, my vote won't count."
"Votes?"
"Just accept it."
"By the way guys, Quaraezha seems to be sleeping and not participating."
"Let's lynch him! I'll be voting him now."
Soon, eight people including the one whose vote wasn't supposed to count voted Quaraezha.
As if by some outside intervention, Quaraezha was then led to the tree that everyone knew was cut partly, and his sleeping body was placed next to it. It seemed as no one was in control of their body, and just accepted the fact that Quaraezha was to be lynched.
A small push was made and the tree fell down on Quaraezha.
By the time everyone snapped back to their senses, it was too late. Quaraezha was dead - crushed by the tree. More importantly, the lynch occurred.
Quaraezha - Townie - crushed by a tree - DAY 1. (Lynched)
"Wait a minute. How do we know that Quaraezha was really a townie?"
"I don't know either, but it's best if we not break the fourth wall. Anyway it's Night."
"Huh? Last I check it was still noon..."
Suddenly, the sun skimmed through the horizon and was now setting. Night would begin soon.
"Nevermind..."
IT IS NOW NIGHT 1. ALL ACTIONS MUST BE SENT IN 48 HOURS.
Topic Starter
All Night Actions have been sent.
Day 2 is now starting.
The previous night, 0_o was busy constructing some sort of dummy. It was made to fool people into believing he was asleep. This night, he was in the middle of the forest - constructing some sort of cage. There the victims would be safe, but they won't be able to go anywhere.
"Hold it!" Suddenly there was a voice.
0_o was caught off guard. "Who is it?"
"Why aren't you in the shelter?"
"Uhh I was busy building something... Why are you here Two?"
Two emerged from the bushes. "Nothing. Just doing something."
0_o turned around. "Well I suggest you go back. You have no business he--"
A gunshot echoed through the forest.
"Bye 0_o. Shame I couldn't use this in the shelter - it would be too loud. Lucky for me you ventured out this deep in the forest."
"Actually, lucky for me that YOU ventured out of the forest."
Two turned around, pointing his gun at the target. It was another person - the face was covered by darkness.
"Who are you? I have a gun - don't even bothe--"
Another gunshot echoed through the forest. The figure picked up the gun that Two was holding.
'You had a gun, but I was faster. Now I have two guns."
The next day, 0_o and Two was found missing. naptime was especially worried about Two. Everyone ventured out of the forest and saw the place where 0_o was building the makeshift cage. There were two bodies present. One was the body of 0_o with a bullet through the head. The other was the body of Two with a sharpened wooden stick stabbed through his chest. Though there were bomb blueprints in his pockets. naptime was no where to be found.
As everyone else carried the bodies to the shelter, they saw naptime hanging by the neck from a tree. There was a note crumpled up in naptime's hand. "Goodbye Two. I will kill myselftwo err too!"
0_o - Jailkeeper - shot in the head - NIGHT 1. (Nightkilled)
Two - Mafia Lover - stabbed in the chest - NIGHT 1 (Nightkilled)
naptime - Town Lover - suicide by hanging - NIGHT 1 (Role-required Death)
With three dead bodies in the mix, they were down to 11. There had to be culprits for these crimes!
DAY 2 HAS NOW STARTED.
DEADLINE IS IN ONE WEEK.
WITH 11 ALIVE, IT TAKES 6 TO HAMMER.
Day 2 is now starting.
The previous night, 0_o was busy constructing some sort of dummy. It was made to fool people into believing he was asleep. This night, he was in the middle of the forest - constructing some sort of cage. There the victims would be safe, but they won't be able to go anywhere.
"Hold it!" Suddenly there was a voice.
0_o was caught off guard. "Who is it?"
"Why aren't you in the shelter?"
"Uhh I was busy building something... Why are you here Two?"
Two emerged from the bushes. "Nothing. Just doing something."
0_o turned around. "Well I suggest you go back. You have no business he--"
A gunshot echoed through the forest.
"Bye 0_o. Shame I couldn't use this in the shelter - it would be too loud. Lucky for me you ventured out this deep in the forest."
"Actually, lucky for me that YOU ventured out of the forest."
Two turned around, pointing his gun at the target. It was another person - the face was covered by darkness.
"Who are you? I have a gun - don't even bothe--"
Another gunshot echoed through the forest. The figure picked up the gun that Two was holding.
'You had a gun, but I was faster. Now I have two guns."
The next day, 0_o and Two was found missing. naptime was especially worried about Two. Everyone ventured out of the forest and saw the place where 0_o was building the makeshift cage. There were two bodies present. One was the body of 0_o with a bullet through the head. The other was the body of Two with a sharpened wooden stick stabbed through his chest. Though there were bomb blueprints in his pockets. naptime was no where to be found.
As everyone else carried the bodies to the shelter, they saw naptime hanging by the neck from a tree. There was a note crumpled up in naptime's hand. "Goodbye Two. I will kill myself
0_o - Jailkeeper - shot in the head - NIGHT 1. (Nightkilled)
Two - Mafia Lover - stabbed in the chest - NIGHT 1 (Nightkilled)
naptime - Town Lover - suicide by hanging - NIGHT 1 (Role-required Death)
With three dead bodies in the mix, they were down to 11. There had to be culprits for these crimes!
DAY 2 HAS NOW STARTED.
DEADLINE IS IN ONE WEEK.
WITH 11 ALIVE, IT TAKES 6 TO HAMMER.
You what.
Conclusion: Wojjan is either Mafia or Jester.Wojjan wrote:
Well fuck this.
Vote: Wojjan
So, Wojjan was lying.
But why?
Inb4 Jester -.-
But why?
Inb4 Jester -.-
Wojjan is a lover too~
With a mafia lover...
(Or mafia with townie lover)
With a mafia lover...
(Or mafia with townie lover)
love you too.animask wrote:
Wojjan is a lover too~
With a mafia lover...
(Or mafia with townie lover)
So....
Vote: Wojjan
Vote: Wojjan
I'm guessing we're probably not going to get a lot of information from Wojjan...
You ok with a possible jester win?LadySuburu wrote:
Vote: Wojjan
As terms to what I think, 90% chance mafia and 10% chance jester.adam2046 wrote:
I'm guessing we're probably not going to get a lot of information from Wojjan...You ok with a possible jester win?LadySuburu wrote:
Vote: Wojjan
I doubt jester win will end the game, most of the time it doesn't. Worst case if it doesn't is it's basically a mis-lynch.
Unless you have a better plan, or can give me a better argument towards another player being mafia?
Well, I'm normally all for voting someone who votes themselves, but I'd like to wait until we're at least half way into the day before we start piling votes onto people.
I'm not too keen on winning with a jester either.
I'm not too keen on winning with a jester either.
Concluding that it has to be one of the two. Wanna back up this conclusion?LadySuburu wrote:
Conclusion: Wojjan is either Mafia or Jester.
I can't think of any other roles that would say "Screw it." and vote themselves, based on what's happened so far. (Remember, this is Wojjan. If it were some random player, I might believe him being town giving up for some strange reason.)adam2046 wrote:
Well, I'm normally all for voting someone who votes themselves, but I'd like to wait until we're at least half way into the day before we start piling votes onto people.
I'm not too keen on winning with a jester either.Concluding that it has to be one of the two. Wanna back up this conclusion?LadySuburu wrote:
Conclusion: Wojjan is either Mafia or Jester.
Can you think of another reason?
I find it unlikely that Wojjan would vote hermself as some crazy ploy on only the second day. All it would take is a cop to find out what Wojjan actually has.
Nothing's really stopping the host from creating new roles.
The people I'm currently most suspicious of are Suburu, Wojjan and animask (due to his "helpful" posts and his rolefishing and his insistance on being town and for implying I'm mafia for voting him(also I don't like his posts in general (and he stinks))).
Nothing's really stopping the host from creating new roles.
The people I'm currently most suspicious of are Suburu, Wojjan and animask (due to his "helpful" posts and his rolefishing and his insistance on being town and for implying I'm mafia for voting him(also I don't like his posts in general (and he stinks))).
Mind explaining more on the first two?adam2046 wrote:
The people I'm currently most suspicious of are Suburu, Wojjan and animask (due to his "helpful" posts and his rolefishing and his insistance on being town and for implying I'm mafia for voting him(also I don't like his posts in general (and he stinks))).
Subu knows I'm a jester because he's mafia. You already stated to know that I'm anti-town. The only reason you ask adam for clarification is testing the waters to see how he thinks of you.
Now I'm even more sure you're mafia, as opposed to a jester. Nice scumpainting attempt.Wojjan wrote:
Subu knows I'm a jester because he's mafia. You already stated to know that I'm anti-town. The only reason you ask adam for clarification is testing the waters to see how he thinks of you.
So, might as well say what I've been thinking since I doubt I'll get any more useful comments out of adam.
Wojjan is mafia, who knows he's screwed from what happened D1, as well as already losing a teammate. Basically gives up (Or is attempting a gambit, but I'm not sure what the goal of such a gambit would be.)
adam is also mafia, who is trying to distance himself from Wojjan. He's attempting to paint me as scum without really saying anything, and also riding on what was one of the easy lynch targets from D1, animask. Therefore, he has two easy targets and a third to back up on if he can get enough "Evidence" to show that I'm scum.
I think this quote is pretty dang fitting. He kinda sat around Day one, not really saying much (Except when he could get animask to post again, since most of animask's statements in every single game are suspicious.) He basically tried to turn everything animask said into saying that he's scum.adam2046 wrote:
Well it would be nice if animask could post somethingmore incriminatingin reply.
I'm not going to pretend I was active much of D1 either. Other than my mini-rage against two, I barely posted any content as well. I also saw animask as suspicious, but I wasn't jumping on every little thing he said in order to paint him as scum. I wasn't sure enough that he wasn't just acting the same as in his first game.
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1. So, why did Wojjan vote himself?adam2046 wrote:
I find it unlikely that Wojjan would vote hermself as some crazy ploy on only the second day. All it would take is a cop to find out what Wojjan actually has.
Nothing's really stopping the host from creating new roles.
2. Role speculation here, but judging by the results of the lynch and the deaths at night, plus the fact that it's NoHItter running the game (Who was constantly complaining to me about the no-unvote mechanic from HNM1), I'm going to go ahead and say it's safe to assume that we're just using generic roles here.
vote: Wojjan
I don't necessarily think Wojjan is mafia. It seems like he's acting suspicious on purpose, like he wants to be lynched, so I bet he's a jester.
That said, animask seemed to be doing the same thing yesterday, and I highly doubt there's two jesters. Perhaps one is a jester and one is mafia. At this point it becomes WIFOM (I'm mafia and I'll make people think I'm a jester so they vote the other person). However, it could just be that animask didn't know what he was doing yesterday. Either way I'm going to go the other way and vote animask.
That said, animask seemed to be doing the same thing yesterday, and I highly doubt there's two jesters. Perhaps one is a jester and one is mafia. At this point it becomes WIFOM (I'm mafia and I'll make people think I'm a jester so they vote the other person). However, it could just be that animask didn't know what he was doing yesterday. Either way I'm going to go the other way and vote animask.
I focus on animask because his playing style pisses me off.
mafia buddies, man.
You're making some pretty definite statements here Sububu.
I would like you to point out what I've said that makes me so definitely mafia, so far the only the only thing you've got is my blatant dislike for animask's behavior.
2. I think we're probably using standard roles too, but I'm not ruling out the possibility of there being a new role or a slight variation on a standard role.
Gee, thanks for suddenly saying that everything I say from now on is useless. I thought we wereLadySuburu wrote:
So, might as well say what I've been thinking since I doubt I'll get any more useful comments out of adam.
You're making some pretty definite statements here Sububu.
You say that I'm scum painting you, but you're not even including the possibility of me being town in your posts now.LadySuburu wrote:
Wojjan is mafia, who knows he's screwed from what happened D1, as well as already losing a teammate.
adam is also mafia, who is trying to distance himself from Wojjan. He's attempting to paint me as scum without really saying anything
I would like you to point out what I've said that makes me so definitely mafia, so far the only the only thing you've got is my blatant dislike for animask's behavior.
1. I don't know. I simply do not know, you do not know. Why don't we just ask?LadySuburu wrote:
1. So, why did Wojjan vote himself?
2. Role speculation here, but judging by the results of the lynch and the deaths at night, plus the fact that it's NoHItter running the game (Who was constantly complaining to me about the no-unvote mechanic from HNM1), I'm going to go ahead and say it's safe to assume that we're just using generic roles here.
2. I think we're probably using standard roles too, but I'm not ruling out the possibility of there being a new role or a slight variation on a standard role.
Useless comments: You aren't explaining much of anything when you post, and you haven't answered all my questions yet either.adam2046 wrote:
I focus on animask because his playing style pisses me off.
Gee, thanks for suddenly saying that everything I say from now on is useless. I thought we weremafiabuddies, man.
You're making some pretty definite statements here Sububu.
You say that I'm scum painting you, but you're not even including the possibility of me being town in your posts now.
I would like you to point out what I've said that makes me so definitely mafia, so far the only the only thing you've got is my blatant dislike for animask's behavior.
1. I don't know. I simply do not know, you do not know. Why don't we just ask?
2. I think we're probably using standard roles too, but I'm not ruling out the possibility of there being a new role or a slight variation on a standard role.
I didn't include the possibility because, as I stated before I said what I said, that's what I'm thinking. I don't belive that it's true that you're town, so I didn't include it, since I wasn't thinking it. Even more so, I REALLY don't belive it to be true that Wojjan is town.
I believe you're mafia because of what I said about animask, and that you've really not posting much content or explaining anything. I don't buy that you're focusing on him ONLY because you dislike his playing style. That might be part of the reason, but I doubt it's really all. If it is, then are you fine with just lynching people based on playstyles that each of us dislike? I don't see that as a good strategy.
As for why we don't ask, I'm sure we won't get a truthful answer out of Wojjan.
I'm not fine with that.LadySuburu wrote:
I believe you're mafia because of what I said about animask, and that you've really not posting much content or explaining anything. I don't buy that you're focusing on him ONLY because you dislike his playing style. That might be part of the reason, but I doubt it's really all. If it is, then are you fine with just lynching people based on playstyles that each of us dislike? I don't see that as a good strategy.
I'll make an exception for animask though.
I really don't like the way animask has decided to play the game. Because he is the least helpful person ever. Almost as useless as the people who haven't posted today Hint hint guys. Post something.
Which ones did I miss?LadySuburu wrote:
Useless comments: You aren't explaining much of anything when you post, and you haven't answered all my questions yet either.
Hey Wojjan, why'd you vote yourself?
LadySuburu wrote:
Mind explaining more on the first two?adam2046 wrote:
The people I'm currently most suspicious of are Suburu, Wojjan and animask (due to his "helpful" posts and his rolefishing and his insistance on being town and for implying I'm mafia for voting him(also I don't like his posts in general (and he stinks))).
Wojjan self voted, I find this suspicious enough by itself.
You because you're slightly more aggressive than I would expect.
No one else because they're not even participating.
HINT HINT GUYS
And no, voting blindly does not count as active participation.
You because you're slightly more aggressive than I would expect.
No one else because they're not even participating.
HINT HINT GUYS
And no, voting blindly does not count as active participation.
I'm not getting how miscounting or voting hermself would be a scumtell. I'll reread the thread after I get my sleep (I've already read another mafia thread with massive posts)
There is too much ambiguity that goes with that, for all we know we have an insane cop.adam2046 wrote:
I find it unlikely that Wojjan would vote hermself as some crazy ploy on only the second day. All it would take is a cop to find out what Wojjan actually has.
If I may ask, what exactly does a jester turn up as?
That was such a simple tactic that I doubt anyone would have believed (especially with how much she is screwing with us) so jumping to that conclusion seems a bit hasty in my eyes. As to giving up, so Wojjan is the type to give up because 1 mafia member is down?LadySuburu wrote:
Now I'm even more sure you're mafia, as opposed to a jester. Nice scumpainting attempt.
I don't buy it.
On the topic of Wojjan I'm very heavily leaning towards jester (if that wasn't obvious enough) because if she was pro-town or even mafia what exactly does she have to benefit from attracting that much attention to herself? Self voting, lying about her voting restriction and I bet lying about the typing quirk seeing as nothing has happened to her simply doesn't fit. If anything it fits closer to a neutral role where she wants to be lynched.
... or a mafia role trying to not get lynched by making everyone believe she's a jester... I guess.
Outside that though I'm only really suspicious of adam. You're not really explaining (as LS pointed out too) yourself very well. Your suspicions of Wojjan are warranted (to me). animask though, are you suspicious of him being scum or do you simply think he's being more disruptive than helpful?
Your suspicion of LS seems very weak to me though. You are simply basing it off being slightly more aggressive, which I really don't think is a solid reason at all. I might as well say you're suspicious because you're being fairly aggressive too if I was going along the same thinking.
The fact you're looking for just about anyone to pin suspicion through your 'hinting' doesn't help either.
All of the above.Rantai wrote:
Outside that though I'm only really suspicious of adam. You're not really explaining (as LS pointed out too) yourself very well. Your suspicions of Wojjan are warranted (to me). animask though, are you suspicious of him being scum or do you simply think he's being more disruptive than helpful?
It's not like it's a strong suspicion. I included LS in my list of people I find most suspicious for lack of other people acting in a manner I find suspicious and because I find his behavior unusual. As soon as I stated that I was suspicious of LS he started acting as if I was trying to make him out to be mafia and suddenly I'm extremely likely to be mafia.Rantai wrote:
Your suspicion of LS seems very weak to me though. You are simply basing it off being slightly more aggressive, which I really don't think is a solid reason at all. I might as well say you're suspicious because you're being fairly aggressive too if I was going along the same thinking.
This whole statement just makes me feel uneasy. I've already pointed out the fact that I don't like that Suburu used such a definite style of speech in order to voice his opinions. He also mentioned two easy targets and himself as a third, even though he only mentioned himself and animask (and so possibly miscounted or included Wojjan, subconciously or not).LadySuburu wrote:
adam is also mafia, who is trying to distance himself from Wojjan. He's attempting to paint me as scum without really saying anything, and also riding on what was one of the easy lynch targets from D1, animask. Therefore, he has two easy targets and a third to back up on if he can get enough "Evidence" to show that I'm scum.
I wasn't planning on being super in the spotlight today, but as the day started it became quite clear from the start that no one was going to actively start discussion, simply making useless statements or questions ("But what does it meeeeean?") or not posting at all.
Partial success, now we have a number of people participating in discussion.
I have no idea what this means.Rantai wrote:
The fact you're looking for just about anyone to pin suspicion through your 'hinting' doesn't help either.
To clarify then;
Though now that I look at it, it's just a jab at inactivity.
It felt like you were looking for people to point fingers at.adam2046 wrote:
Wojjan self voted, I find this suspicious enough by itself.
You because you're slightly more aggressive than I would expect.
No one else because they're not even participating.
HINT HINT GUYS
Though now that I look at it, it's just a jab at inactivity.
Request for replacement
I don't have much time on my hand, so I'm asking for a replacement. Sorry guys...
I don't have much time on my hand, so I'm asking for a replacement. Sorry guys...
Jester is the dumbest and most overpowered role ever. It's too easy for a mafioso to do something completely stupid and still be able to cover for it because a jester "might" exist. Its mere existence makes people question absolutely everything and gives the mafia such a huge advantage that such a role should never be used in a closed setup unless the town is completely overpowered (and even then...).
jesus, no time to even look at thread at all recently. having real world difficulties at the moment with my flight back home (been 2 freaking days and no flight back home yet, goddamnit), so apologies.
Topic Starter
rust45 is replaicng bmin11.
Also no posts in one day? I'm disappointed guys D:
Also no posts in one day? I'm disappointed guys D:
I'm waiting on DxS.
Sup guys, give me time to read through the thread.
Alright, I'm surprised no one proposed that there is SK among us due to the night killing of two people(and one suicide). It could be a vig but I don't think the vig would act on night 1 especially since I don't think there was much to go on to constitute killing Two in the name of the town. I'm almost thinking Wojjan might be the SK trying to distract from the NKs by voting for himself, as that seems to be what all the discussion is about right now.
FoS rust45
You're the first to mention an SK.rust45 wrote:
Alright, I'm surprised no one proposed that there is SK among us due to the night killing of two people(and one suicide). It could be a vig but I don't think the vig would act on night 1 especially since I don't think there was much to go on to constitute killing Two in the name of the town. I'm almost thinking Wojjan might be the SK trying to distract from the NKs by voting for himself, as that seems to be what all the discussion is about right now.
You're also the first to start pointing fingers at who the SK might be.
Compensating for something now are we?
viewtopic.php?p=913505#p913505Wojjan wrote:
You're the first to mention an SK.
It's just percentages with SK as a possibility, but I was certainly not the first. And I have to say this post kinda irked me as Rantai did mention SK without evidence of one.
It was just a theory I had, I wasn't outright accusing.Wojjan wrote:
You're also the first to start pointing fingers at who the SK might be
I could ask the same.Wojjan wrote:
Compensating for something now are we?
Ok, where the hell is everyone?
Vote: DxS
Not a clue, everything went quietrust45 wrote:
Ok, where the hell is everyone?
And about me mentioning SK's. The numbers I was using was going by the set up of the last osu! Mafia (to stay consistent with 0_o and his numbers)
whyyyadam2046 wrote:
Vote: DxS
I want him to say something.Lybydose wrote:
whyyyadam2046 wrote:
Vote: DxS
Topic Starter
Deadline is in 24 hours.
VOTE COUNT
Wojjan (3) - Wojjan, LadySuburu, Lybydose
DeathxShinigami (1) - adam2046
Not Voting (7) - Rantai, DeathxShinigami, animask, Mashley, intermu, rust45, pieguy1372
WITH 11 ALIVE, IT TAKES 6 TO HAMMER.
DEADLINE IS IN AROUND 24 HOURS
VOTE COUNT
Wojjan (3) - Wojjan, LadySuburu, Lybydose
DeathxShinigami (1) - adam2046
Not Voting (7) - Rantai, DeathxShinigami, animask, Mashley, intermu, rust45, pieguy1372
WITH 11 ALIVE, IT TAKES 6 TO HAMMER.
DEADLINE IS IN AROUND 24 HOURS
I'm voting me...
...Or is me voting I?
...Or is me voting I?
Topic Starter
Fixed. Sorry about that.adam2046 wrote:
I'm voting me...
...Or is me voting I?
Vote: Wojjan
cuz she is cool...
Also, I have no idea whats going on with this mafia game...
Recap?
cuz she is cool...
Also, I have no idea whats going on with this mafia game...
Recap?
Here you go: viewtopic.php?p=904184#p904184
That should be enough for you to get everything.
That should be enough for you to get everything.
You missed my vote for animask. D: Vote: animask as stated earlier
Vote: Wojjan
Forgot to take in the possibility of an SK from before, which makes more sense to me seeing as she has no obvious posting restriction and would still be neutral.
Jester or no though, I've got nothing else.
Forgot to take in the possibility of an SK from before, which makes more sense to me seeing as she has no obvious posting restriction and would still be neutral.
Jester or no though, I've got nothing else.
Vote: Wojjan
Mafia can kill me at night. Didn't do anything on purpose...
Mafia can kill me at night. Didn't do anything on purpose...
huhDeathxShinigami wrote:
Vote: Wojjan
Mafia can kill me at night. Didn't do anything on purpose...
Topic Starter
VOTE COUNT
Wojjan (5) - LadySuburu, Lybydose, animask, Rantai, DeathxShinigami
DeathxShinigami (2) - adam2046, Wojjan
animask (1) - pieguy1372
Not Voting (3) - Mashley, intermu, rust45
WITH 11 ALIVE, IT TAKES 6 TO HAMMER.
DEADLINE IS IN AROUND ONE HOUR
Wojjan (5) - LadySuburu, Lybydose, animask, Rantai, DeathxShinigami
DeathxShinigami (2) - adam2046, Wojjan
animask (1) - pieguy1372
Not Voting (3) - Mashley, intermu, rust45
WITH 11 ALIVE, IT TAKES 6 TO HAMMER.
DEADLINE IS IN AROUND ONE HOUR
DxS can you explain the thing I quoted? Makes no sense to me.
Topic Starter
FINAL VOTE COUNT OF THE DAY
Wojjan (5) - LadySuburu, Lybydose, animask, Rantai, DeathxShinigami
DeathxShinigami (2) - adam2046, Wojjan
animask (1) - pieguy1372
Not Voting (3) - Mashley, intermu, rust45
Wojjan has been lynched
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"Two died? Well crap. Just kill me." said Wojjan.
"Uh sure?" the rest of the town replied.
Pretty soon everyone tied up Wojjan. They were going to throw Wojjan over the cliff.
Then Wojjan proposed something. "At least if you kill me, do it inside the ship. After all it did wash up on shore."
"Huh? Didn't it sink?"
"Uhh no. If it sank, then why is it on the beach?"
Miraculously, the ship was indeed on the beach, so it was decided.
Everyone was dragging Wojjan towards the ship and was hanging a noose.
Suddenly, Wojjan somehow broke free of her ropes and rushed towards the cargo area.
A loud crashing sound was heard and everyone saw a motor boat break through the cargo area walls. Wojjan was on it.
"See you later suckers! You guys didn't bother to check if the ship had a boat first. Glad I knew about it."
Wojjan - Jester - escaped the island - DAY 2 (Lynched)
IT IS NOW NIGHT 2. ALL ACTIONS MUST BE SENT IN 24 HOURS
Wojjan (5) - LadySuburu, Lybydose, animask, Rantai, DeathxShinigami
DeathxShinigami (2) - adam2046, Wojjan
animask (1) - pieguy1372
Not Voting (3) - Mashley, intermu, rust45
Wojjan has been lynched
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"Two died? Well crap. Just kill me." said Wojjan.
"Uh sure?" the rest of the town replied.
Pretty soon everyone tied up Wojjan. They were going to throw Wojjan over the cliff.
Then Wojjan proposed something. "At least if you kill me, do it inside the ship. After all it did wash up on shore."
"Huh? Didn't it sink?"
"Uhh no. If it sank, then why is it on the beach?"
Miraculously, the ship was indeed on the beach, so it was decided.
Everyone was dragging Wojjan towards the ship and was hanging a noose.
Suddenly, Wojjan somehow broke free of her ropes and rushed towards the cargo area.
A loud crashing sound was heard and everyone saw a motor boat break through the cargo area walls. Wojjan was on it.
"See you later suckers! You guys didn't bother to check if the ship had a boat first. Glad I knew about it."
Wojjan - Jester - escaped the island - DAY 2 (Lynched)
IT IS NOW NIGHT 2. ALL ACTIONS MUST BE SENT IN 24 HOURS
Topic Starter
All Night Actions have been sent.
Day 3 is now starting.
Lybydose also had a dummy set up inside the large tent. Like 0_o, Lybydose also had a task to do every night - switching the belongings on people so that people would mistake each other's belongings. The previous night, he had already swapped two objects. Tonight we would do it again.
After doing the deed, he decided to kill of some time before returning. A short trip to the "restroom" would do. Luckily he had brought a shovel - he had bought it previously at the port. Lybydose headed off to a nearby tree. He positioned himself under it when he heard a loud rustling noise and a gunshot.
Carrying the shovel, he rushed towards where the sound came from to see the dead body of adam2046. His body was just warm. The killer couldn't have been gone for long. There were footprints leading from where they were to the general direction of the camp.
Unknown to Lybydose, someone else was behind him readying a kukri...
The next day, two people had gone missing, Lybydose and adam2046. A quick search of the surrounding area revealed the dead bodies of the missing. Lybydose was had many cuts from head to toe. He also had a big gash where his jugular was supposed to be. He apparently died of blood loss. There was also a shovel next to his body. It had many dents and scratches.
adam2046 on the other hand, had no other injuries other than a gunshot through the chest. A search of his pockets revealed nothing suspicious.
Lybydose - Bus Driver - slashed at the jugular - NIGHT 2 (Nightkilled)
adam2046 - Townie - shot at the heart - NIGHT 2 (Nightkilled)
Only 8 people were left. Everyone had to be careful.
DAY 3 HAS NOW STARTED.
DEADLINE IS IN ONE WEEK.
WITH 8 ALIVE, IT TAKES 5 TO HAMMER.
Day 3 is now starting.
Lybydose also had a dummy set up inside the large tent. Like 0_o, Lybydose also had a task to do every night - switching the belongings on people so that people would mistake each other's belongings. The previous night, he had already swapped two objects. Tonight we would do it again.
After doing the deed, he decided to kill of some time before returning. A short trip to the "restroom" would do. Luckily he had brought a shovel - he had bought it previously at the port. Lybydose headed off to a nearby tree. He positioned himself under it when he heard a loud rustling noise and a gunshot.
Carrying the shovel, he rushed towards where the sound came from to see the dead body of adam2046. His body was just warm. The killer couldn't have been gone for long. There were footprints leading from where they were to the general direction of the camp.
Unknown to Lybydose, someone else was behind him readying a kukri...
The next day, two people had gone missing, Lybydose and adam2046. A quick search of the surrounding area revealed the dead bodies of the missing. Lybydose was had many cuts from head to toe. He also had a big gash where his jugular was supposed to be. He apparently died of blood loss. There was also a shovel next to his body. It had many dents and scratches.
adam2046 on the other hand, had no other injuries other than a gunshot through the chest. A search of his pockets revealed nothing suspicious.
Lybydose - Bus Driver - slashed at the jugular - NIGHT 2 (Nightkilled)
adam2046 - Townie - shot at the heart - NIGHT 2 (Nightkilled)
Only 8 people were left. Everyone had to be careful.
DAY 3 HAS NOW STARTED.
DEADLINE IS IN ONE WEEK.
WITH 8 ALIVE, IT TAKES 5 TO HAMMER.
Shit I forgot to post for like the whole of day 2 OH WELL
So what's going on in this game?
So what's going on in this game?
Well crap.
If you want a simple summary;
- Wojjan won as a jester, we have a serial killer on the loose, 1 mafia is dead and we have a lot of lurkers/inactives.
- DxS made an odd statements before the end of the day. When Lybydose called him out on it he didn't answer back... and now he's dead.
- Interestingly anyone involved in a conversation with LS has died (two, adam).
- animask went from extremely 'loud' to non-existent.
- rust45 joined, made a few observations then realised how quiet everything was.
Outside that everyone else has basically said one thing or nothing at all since day 1 (give or take)
At this stage I'm inclined to believe our lurkers are hiding our scum, seeing as most of our active ones have been town so far.
If you want a simple summary;
- Wojjan won as a jester, we have a serial killer on the loose, 1 mafia is dead and we have a lot of lurkers/inactives.
- DxS made an odd statements before the end of the day. When Lybydose called him out on it he didn't answer back... and now he's dead.
- Interestingly anyone involved in a conversation with LS has died (two, adam).
- animask went from extremely 'loud' to non-existent.
- rust45 joined, made a few observations then realised how quiet everything was.
Outside that everyone else has basically said one thing or nothing at all since day 1 (give or take)
At this stage I'm inclined to believe our lurkers are hiding our scum, seeing as most of our active ones have been town so far.
Not much posting going on.
I have little time to post, but uh now everyone I really suspected or even had a real conversation with is dead. I've got nothing to go on atm. I guess I have to do a re-read in the near future.
I have little time to post, but uh now everyone I really suspected or even had a real conversation with is dead. I've got nothing to go on atm. I guess I have to do a re-read in the near future.
Okay, now that I'm back at home right now (screw you peak season flights)..
Can I get an explanation on what town lover, mafia lover and bus driver is? I know jailkeeper is like the restrictive doctor of some sort, right?
Also how many mafias are usually in a setup like this? I haven't been through a lot of mafia games so I'm not sure what is the typical setup for games.
Can I get an explanation on what town lover, mafia lover and bus driver is? I know jailkeeper is like the restrictive doctor of some sort, right?
Also how many mafias are usually in a setup like this? I haven't been through a lot of mafia games so I'm not sure what is the typical setup for games.
Lovers are just a pair of players that die if their partner dies. In this case one was mafia one was town.
A bus driver can choose two people to be swapped in relation to targeting. Ie if A was to be kill but was swapped with B, B would die instead.
I would guess there is 3 this game, as the last game had the same number but that's all I've got.
A bus driver can choose two people to be swapped in relation to targeting. Ie if A was to be kill but was swapped with B, B would die instead.
I would guess there is 3 this game, as the last game had the same number but that's all I've got.
Does anyone else find it odd that Mashley announced how he forgot to post?
I thought it was at least better that he said something than nothing at all...
Also, Vote: DxS
Question dodging and I don't like:
Also, Vote: DxS
Question dodging and I don't like:
DeathxShinigami wrote:
Mafia can kill me at night. Didn't do anything on purpose...
typing from android, apologies for spelling beforehand.
so everynight we essentially have 2 nightkills beside one normal lynch. going by this, would it be prudent to say that we have a serial killer beside a mafia group?
sincr we have 8 left, provided the next iteration plays out the same way we would have 5 people in all. am i right in assuming, if all nightkills ar successful we would have 2 town, 2 mafs and an sk on th loose?
so everynight we essentially have 2 nightkills beside one normal lynch. going by this, would it be prudent to say that we have a serial killer beside a mafia group?
sincr we have 8 left, provided the next iteration plays out the same way we would have 5 people in all. am i right in assuming, if all nightkills ar successful we would have 2 town, 2 mafs and an sk on th loose?
also id very much like it too if dxs can reiterate that
Roleclaim: Vanilla Townie
Go find another target jerks.
Go find another target jerks.
So first you want to be/don't care about being killed and now you don't want to be killed.
Make up your mind.
Make up your mind.