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An osu! Mafia 2 - SERIAL KILLER / JESTER WIN

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pieguyn
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pieguyn
Responding to prod~

I can't tell anything yet because it's only the first day :cry: I did notice this though

Two wrote:

Lybydose wrote:

There is a way to see if Wojjan is lying, but it's a bit of a gambit. If what he says is true, he now has a phantom ghost on animask: it shows that he's voting, but doesn't actually count.

If 7 other people vote for animask, he will hit 8 votes, normally enough for a hammer. If Wojjan is telling the truth, animask won't get lynched immediately though, and then we can all just unvote. On the other hand, if Wojjan is lying, animask will get lynched at 8 and hey, we found our first mafioso: it's Wojjan.
I can't tell if you're dumb or not. Wojjan lying or telling the truth about only being able to quote is irrelevant when it comes to them being mafia. Ok so we vote up animask and he gets lynched. Guess wojjan's vote counted. Does that mean they are mafia? No.

All it would do is confirm the fact that someone has a role that can do something like that.
If Wojjan's vote counted, it wouldn't confirm that someone had such a role, it would confirm the exact opposite: that no one had such a role and Wojjan was lying. Wojjan wouldn't have a reason to lie if he was innocent, so I'll go along and vote animask.
intermu
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intermu
Sorry. A spontaneous all-night karaoke session with friends interrupted my hikikomori session and I forgot about this.

0_o wrote:

Alright, read through the thread again, and there were two posts in particular that kinda rubbed me the wrong way. They're relatively weaker points, but we really can't expect conclusive evidence on Day 1 so I'm just going with what I got.

intermu wrote:

It's the usual first day voting!

Vote: Ph0x

Don't want to let people feel left out ;)
Pointing out that it was "the usual first day voting" before casting his RVS vote seemed a bit shifty. It wasn't necessary, and it kinda gave me the impression that he gave that extra explanation to his vote because he was paranoid of looking suspicious (which mafia tend to be).

Like I said, they aren't great points, but I don't have a whole lot else to go on at the moment.

So FoS on adam & intermu
Well, that's the first day, no? At the time it was the baseless voting phase, so hey. I did later unvote though, but I do understand your forcing of the issue since it is day 1 after all; not much to work with, really.

---

I'll just be honest, I'm quite bad at processing information so I'll need to reread again Wojjan's thing with the votes and quotes. I haven't really understood it very well, but I looked back a couple of pages and noticed Adam also posted a couple with quotes. Maybe it's a rotational thing between a few people?

Will look up posts again later.
Two_old
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pieguy1372 wrote:

If Wojjan's vote counted, it wouldn't confirm that someone had such a role, it would confirm the exact opposite: that no one had such a role and Wojjan was lying. Wojjan wouldn't have a reason to lie if he was innocent, so I'll go along and vote animask.
yeah I had that backwards, but wojjan wouldn't have a reason to lie if she wasn't innocent, either

in fact it makes less sense if wojjan is mafia
adam2046
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intermu wrote:

I looked back a couple of pages and noticed Adam also posted a couple with quotes. Maybe it's a rotational thing between a few people?
It isn't.
Two_old
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Two_old
why roleclaim
pieguyn
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pieguyn
Yes she would have a reason to lie, in order to stop people from accusing her. If she was Mafia, though, I doubt she'd lie by saying something like that that would draw even more attention to it...

I still think following through with Lybydose's plan is the best idea for now though. :?

Also, I think adam would know if he had a posting restriction...
naptime
naptime
Not entirely sure how following through with Lybydose's plan suggests we forgo reasons to vote for someone and match Wojjan's vote when she should probably be the one matching ours. Unless you gave a reason to vote for animask and I missed it.

Personally the only thing pushing me towards voting for animask is curiosity.
0_o
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0_o

naptime wrote:

Not entirely sure how following through with Lybydose's plan suggests we forgo reasons to vote for someone and match Wojjan's vote when she should probably be the one matching ours. Unless you gave a reason to vote for animask and I missed it.

Personally the only thing pushing me towards voting for animask is curiosity.
This. If we're gonna do this test then figure out who we wanna lynch first, then get Wojjan on the bandwagon. How does everyone feel about an animask lynch, disregarding Lyby's plan?
bmin11
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bmin11
NoHItter@ I unvoted my vote before. Please fix it for me


About Wojjan role claiming to avoid accusations. It's hard to believe wojjan would role claim with such mild accusation as what just happened. Not sure why she's doing this, but I'm getting a feeling that she's not doing this for bad intention.

However, if the public wants to figure wojjan's role out and lynch animask (who my gut tells me pro-town), I have no problem with it. animask is the one who's suppose to be worry with this experiment anyway >_>
Two_old
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Two_old
I'm not gonna vote for animask just to test a theory out when I don't think he's posting in a way that he would if he was mafia. It would be too easy for the votes to legitimately go over the limit.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu
Better plan: We do the voting plan, but with Wojjan as the target. This way, if Wojjan is lying, he's procuring his own lynch.

Thoughts?

(As stated in the other thread, Temporary use of computer. (Maybe till 30min from now?) )
0_o
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0_o

LadySuburu wrote:

Better plan: We do the voting plan, but with Wojjan as the target. This way, if Wojjan is lying, he's procuring his own lynch.

Thoughts?

(As stated in the other thread, Temporary use of computer. (Maybe till 30min from now?) )
I thought of this too, but
a) that might be a little tough to get Wojjan to go along with that whether he's town or mafia due to possible doublevoters
b) Why risk it just to see if he really is voteless today? I don't see how having a typing quirk is a strictly pro-town condition, so even if he is proven to be voteless how is that helpful to us?
LadySuburu
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0_o wrote:

LadySuburu wrote:

Better plan: We do the voting plan, but with Wojjan as the target. This way, if Wojjan is lying, he's procuring his own lynch.

Thoughts?

(As stated in the other thread, Temporary use of computer. (Maybe till 30min from now?) )
I thought of this too, but
a) that might be a little tough to get Wojjan to go along with that whether he's town or mafia due to possible doublevoters
b) Why risk it just to see if he really is voteless today? I don't see how having a typing quirk is a strictly pro-town condition, so even if he is proven to be voteless how is that helpful to us?
I meant if we were going to ltest the voting theory at all. I don't really believe wojjan's claim in the first place.

My lynch choices for now are wojjan and animask. I don't feel confident enough about animask, but there's not much more to go on.

Also, computer access gone.
Mashley
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Mashley
2 irl days to go, and I really can't see this 'test' happening tbh...
A question to all players: If you had to pick one player to lynch today, who would it be and why?
0_o
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0_o

Mashley wrote:

2 irl days to go, and I really can't see this 'test' happening tbh...
A question to all players: If you had to pick one player to lynch today, who would it be and why?
At this point I'm almost leaning towards a no lynch, there really isn't anyone who I would feel comfortable setting a vote on right now. I think a night to let the auxes do their thing might be the best thing to do.

Granted this WILL bring us to an even number of people, though it's pretty early in the game and the chances of an extra kill (or a successful protection) in the next few days probably isn't bad.

If you guys have any strong opinions about who to lynch then knock yourselves out, but I don't, so for now:

vote no lunch lynch
Mashley
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No lynch is an interesting suggestion, but to be honest I really don't think it's useful on Day 1 - you're losing a chance to find the mafia. Though I will agree that no one here stands out as suspicious at the moment - that's why I asked the question :P .
0_o
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0_o

Mashley wrote:

No lynch is an interesting suggestion, but to be honest I really don't think it's useful on Day 1 - you're losing a chance to find the mafia.
Sure, but we also avoid the risk of lynching a townie (which, seeing as we really don't have much to go on, is quite high), and we would give our auxes the chance to use their powers so we could have a more informed lynch tomorrow.

Basically it would be the same thing as starting a game with a Night 0, which I believe is more beneficial to the town than mafia.
Two_old
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I am and will forever be against no lynch. I would rather have a 10% chance to lynch mafia than 0. Losing a day so aux roles have a chance at finding mafia isn't worth it. It's the aux role's job to play in a way that they don't get chosen at night/day, and if they can't do that we lose anyway.
0_o
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Two wrote:

I would rather have a 10% chance to lynch mafia than 0.
Sure there would be a 0% chance of lynching mafia - there would also be a 0% chance of lynching a townie. If we had a consensus on one or two candiates then I would say sure, let's lynch one of them. But we don't, so I feel like the odds of lynching mafia tonight are going to be equal to or less than chance (20% if there are 3 mafia, which, seeing as the last game had 14 players w/3 mafia, is probably a safe guess). Assuming we have 3+ aux roles (we had a doctor + deputy + doctor + nurse last game, so I'd say it's likely), we are just as likely if not more likely to lynch an aux today than a mafioso.

Would you really want to take the 80% chance of lynching a townie, with a 20-30% chance of hitting an aux, for a 20% chance of hitting mafia?

Though now that I think of it you probably aren't going to change your mind no matter what I say so there probably wasn't any point in typing this up. Oh well.
0_o
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0_o
If anyone has any better ideas (specifically, we should lynch x), then please speak up, but if we can't come to any conclusions then I really do think a no lynch isn't the worst backup plan.
0_o
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0_o
Actually wait a sec.

Here are the number of alive players each day, assuming there are no extra kills, no successful protections and no mafia is lynched. Red percentages indicate the odds that we lynch a townie that day

No Lynch
Day 1 - 15 No lynch N/A
Day 2 - 14 79%
Day 3 - 12 75%
Day 4 - 10 70%
Day 5 - 8 lylo, but no lynch must be done to increase the odds of hitting mafia. N/A
Day 6 - 7 lylo 57%
Odds of losing without lynching a single mafia: 23.6%

Lynch
Day 1 - 15 80%
Day 2 - 13 76%
Day 3 - 11 73%
Day 4 - 9 67%
Day 5 - 7 lylo 57%
Odds of losing without lynching a single mafia: 17.0%

We have a minimum of 5 tries with a lynch today - only 4 tries with a no lynch. The no lynch scenario has the advantage of granting one more night action for the auxes, but it's difficult to say whether that balances out or not...

unvote no lynch

I dunno, what do the rest of you think?
0_o
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0_o
QUAD POST YEAH

Also those percentages assume 3 mafia, as stated in my previous paragraph.
naptime
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Oh wow nice percentages. I wasn't a big fan of "not voting and letting aux do their thing" either since that doesn't seem to guarantee a smarter lynch on Day 2, especially with this many players to sway.

As for who I want to lynch now, it's hard to think of an answer that won't just seem baseless and random. If it's just a vote, probably Quaraezha or someone who suddenly stopped posting despite a bunch of stuff popping up.
Lybydose
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About the gambit trick thing: the intention is basically to see if Wojjan is lying or not. I suppose it would also work for anyone else we lynch though, not necessarily just animask. At this point animask does somewhat strike me as pro-town, despite being really stupid, so it might not be best to lynch him.

About seeing of Wojjan is lying or not: townies pretty much never have any reason to lie about anything in a game, with the exception of specific circumstances like roleclaiming Paranoid Gun Owner or Bomb or something. The mafia, however, have reason to lie about everything they say. They don't think someone is suspicious or believe someone is pro-town, they know someone is mafia or town or whatever. Acting weird and then coming up with a false reason that can be verified as false is not something a townie would do. A lying townie does nothing but work against his own team.

About who to lynch: it's probably too late to do the gambit thing, unless everyone agrees on someone to lynch. Thing is, there isn't really anything to go off of. At this point, I'm inclined to just vote Quaraezha. He hasn't said anything in forever, and what little he did say had virtually no substance. Lurking is generally a null-tell, but a lurking townie still isn't much use anyway. I'd like to at least see his opinion on things.
bmin11
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I agree with no lynch for the same reason. We could take the chance, but it would be the same as taking a chance to lynch aux roles. So far, I don't have a clear thought on who could be mafia...

Who should we lynch:
As I said above, I don't have a clear opinion for myself. We could try the Wojjan voting thing, but it's hard to believe Wojjan would try to defence by role claiming that could or couldn't be her role. I'll be happy to go for no lynch at this point.
0_o
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0_o
As mentioned before though, the chance of a secret doublevoter could cause Wojjan to appear to be lying when he's not. Don't know how likely that is, but it could end quite badly if that was the case and we lynched him tomorrow.

Also, Wojjan is totally a guy.
Two_old
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those percentages are assuming we lynch a random person every day

it looks a lot different if you factor in the unmeasurable
0_o
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0_o

Two wrote:

those percentages are assuming we lynch a random person every day

it looks a lot different if you factor in the unmeasurable
Well yeah of course the percentages aren't exact due to incalculable variables, but the point is that given information we have available to us right now, a lynch tonight gives us better odds than a no lynch in the long run. This doesn't take night actions into account though, so the question is if another night for night actions is worth knocking off a shot at lynching the mafia.

Which is a tough call seeing as we have no idea what the setup is like.
Rantai
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Throwing down thoughts as they come to me.

Going by your numbers, we have a 4/15 chance of hitting scum (if there is an SK), 4/15 chance of hitting an aux role and 7/15 to hitting a vanilla if we lynch now. If we lynch later and assume an SK is on the loose and vanillas were killed, we'll have a 4/13 to hitting scum, 4/13 to hit an aux role and a 5/13 to hit a vanilla.

Looking at that we're going to have the same relative chance of hitting an aux/mafia on both situations but down 2 townies by the first lynch. This is all relative to aux roles though but the fact remains that we'll be in a no better position to hit mafia relative to hitting an aux in that situation.

Actually - Let's take a step back. If we do a no lynch with no SK and no successful block, the chance that the mafia will hit an aux would be 4/12 and a 100% chance of a townie dead. Then on our first lynch, we'll have a 3/14 chance (a measly 1.5% increase) to hit a mafia and then lose another townie/aux.

With a lynch we'll at least have a 3/15 chance to hit a mafia then they'll have a 4/11 chance of hitting an aux role (100% for townie). So they'll get an 11% extra chance (assuming miss-lynch) to hit an aux while we'll have a 20% chance to hit one of them. (obviously 100% chance to kill a townie)

Also on a side note, even if we no lynch, there is no guarantee that our cop will turn up a favourable result. Especially in the presence of possible miller roles which might lead to more/possible miss-lynches.

Not sure if that makes sense to anyone... but I'm leaning towards a lynch but I don't know who to lynch just yet.

If I really had to choose it'd come down to a random vote, I'm not convinced that Wojjan or animask are mafia just yet.

And of course, there are the variables which can't be controlled that'll skew things.
NoHitter
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VOTE COUNT
animask (4) - adam2046, Wojjan, Mashley, pieguy1372
Mashley (1) - Two

Not Voting (10) - Quaraezha, animask, naptime, LadySuburu, DeathxShinigami, Lybydose, intermu, 0_o, bmin11, Rantai

WITH 15 ALIVE, IT TAKES 8 TO HAMMER.

DEADLINE IS IN 1 DAY
naptime
naptime
Dem numbers.

vote: Quaraezha in case I can't make it back by the deadline

/American flag
Rantai
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Ha and I'm apparently pulling numbers out of my ass.

3% not 11%.
Lybydose
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vote: Quaraezha
Two_old
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Two_old
unvote, vote quaraezha

betta post
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
Sorry guys, really am, guess I really can't handle too many mafia games.
(I'll be more active in the other Mafia threads soon)

So I'll probably ask to be replaced by rust.
DeathxShinigami
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DeathxShinigami
Vote: Quaraezha

Doesn't really matter what happens to your character at this point anyways...
Wojjan
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Well then, I'll Vote: Quaraezha as well. So you'll need 4 more votes to kill him off.
NoHitter
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VOTE COUNT
Quaraezha (5) - naptime, Lybydose, Two, DeathxShinigami, Wojjan
animask (3) - adam2046, Mashley, pieguy1372

Not Voting (7) - Quaraezha, animask, LadySuburu, intermu, 0_o, bmin11, Rantai

WITH 15 ALIVE, IT TAKES 8 TO HAMMER.

DEADLINE IS IN AROUND 10 HOURS
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0_o
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0_o
animask (4) - adam2046, Mashley, pieguy1372
Is this a mistake?
bmin11
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bmin11
He probably counted my vote for animask by mistake (I unvoted)
But it wouldn't hurt to ask :P was that a mistake, NoHItter?
NoHitter
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Yes it was.
Fixed.
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
Vote: Quaraezha

Hammer time?

He's never really useful anyways.
adam2046
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animask wrote:

Vote: Quaraezha

Hammer time?

He's never really useful anyways.
Perfect reasoning right here.
Mashley
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What's with the sudden bandwagon? If you're going to lynch someone without solid reasoning at least lynch someone who's actively disruptive towards the town ie animask
pieguyn
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unvote

I'm not so sure Quaraezha is mafia, but of all the players I think he's the most suspicious. vote: Quaraezha
Rantai
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Vote: Quaraezha

Let's see if Wojjan was lying.
NoHitter
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FINAL VOTE COUNT OF THE DAY
Quaraezha (8) - naptime, Lybydose, Two, DeathxShinigami, Wojjan, animask, pieguy1372, Rantai
animask (2) - adam2046, Mashley

Not Voting (5) - Quaraezha, LadySuburu, intermu, 0_o, bmin11

Quaraezha has been lynched.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"So guys. That bomb didn't set-up by itselfs. Let's go lynch someone!"
"But who do we lynch we don't have a lead at all?"
"Let's go lynch someone!"
"Yeah... I already said that, but who do we lynch?"
"Yeah... I already said that."

A silence engulfed everyone. Why was that person only echoing what others were saying?
"Oh fine. It's because I was given some talking restriction by the mod."
"By who?"
"The mod. Don't think about it. You're just breaking the fourth wall. Anyway, since I broke it, my vote won't count."
"Votes?"
"Just accept it."

"By the way guys, Quaraezha seems to be sleeping and not participating."
"Let's lynch him! I'll be voting him now."

Soon, eight people including the one whose vote wasn't supposed to count voted Quaraezha.
As if by some outside intervention, Quaraezha was then led to the tree that everyone knew was cut partly, and his sleeping body was placed next to it. It seemed as no one was in control of their body, and just accepted the fact that Quaraezha was to be lynched.
A small push was made and the tree fell down on Quaraezha.

By the time everyone snapped back to their senses, it was too late. Quaraezha was dead - crushed by the tree. More importantly, the lynch occurred.
Quaraezha - Townie - crushed by a tree - DAY 1. (Lynched)

"Wait a minute. How do we know that Quaraezha was really a townie?"
"I don't know either, but it's best if we not break the fourth wall. Anyway it's Night."
"Huh? Last I check it was still noon..."
Suddenly, the sun skimmed through the horizon and was now setting. Night would begin soon.
"Nevermind..."

IT IS NOW NIGHT 1. ALL ACTIONS MUST BE SENT IN 48 HOURS.
NoHitter
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All Night Actions have been sent.
Day 2 is now starting.

The previous night, 0_o was busy constructing some sort of dummy. It was made to fool people into believing he was asleep. This night, he was in the middle of the forest - constructing some sort of cage. There the victims would be safe, but they won't be able to go anywhere.

"Hold it!" Suddenly there was a voice.
0_o was caught off guard. "Who is it?"
"Why aren't you in the shelter?"
"Uhh I was busy building something... Why are you here Two?"
Two emerged from the bushes. "Nothing. Just doing something."
0_o turned around. "Well I suggest you go back. You have no business he--"

A gunshot echoed through the forest.
"Bye 0_o. Shame I couldn't use this in the shelter - it would be too loud. Lucky for me you ventured out this deep in the forest."

"Actually, lucky for me that YOU ventured out of the forest."
Two turned around, pointing his gun at the target. It was another person - the face was covered by darkness.
"Who are you? I have a gun - don't even bothe--"

Another gunshot echoed through the forest. The figure picked up the gun that Two was holding.
'You had a gun, but I was faster. Now I have two guns."

The next day, 0_o and Two was found missing. naptime was especially worried about Two. Everyone ventured out of the forest and saw the place where 0_o was building the makeshift cage. There were two bodies present. One was the body of 0_o with a bullet through the head. The other was the body of Two with a sharpened wooden stick stabbed through his chest. Though there were bomb blueprints in his pockets. naptime was no where to be found.

As everyone else carried the bodies to the shelter, they saw naptime hanging by the neck from a tree. There was a note crumpled up in naptime's hand. "Goodbye Two. I will kill myself two err too!"
0_o - Jailkeeper - shot in the head - NIGHT 1. (Nightkilled)
Two - Mafia Lover - stabbed in the chest - NIGHT 1 (Nightkilled)
naptime - Town Lover - suicide by hanging - NIGHT 1 (Role-required Death)

With three dead bodies in the mix, they were down to 11. There had to be culprits for these crimes!

DAY 2 HAS NOW STARTED.
DEADLINE IS IN ONE WEEK.
WITH 11 ALIVE, IT TAKES 6 TO HAMMER.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
Well fuck this.

Vote: Wojjan
Mashley
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You what.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu

Wojjan wrote:

Well fuck this.

Vote: Wojjan
Conclusion: Wojjan is either Mafia or Jester.
Rantai
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So, Wojjan was lying.

But why?

Inb4 Jester -.-
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
Wojjan is a lover too~

With a mafia lover...

(Or mafia with townie lover)
Wojjan
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Wojjan

animask wrote:

Wojjan is a lover too~

With a mafia lover...

(Or mafia with townie lover)
love you too.
LadySuburu
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So....

Vote: Wojjan
adam2046
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I'm guessing we're probably not going to get a lot of information from Wojjan...

LadySuburu wrote:

Vote: Wojjan
You ok with a possible jester win?
LadySuburu
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adam2046 wrote:

I'm guessing we're probably not going to get a lot of information from Wojjan...

LadySuburu wrote:

Vote: Wojjan
You ok with a possible jester win?
As terms to what I think, 90% chance mafia and 10% chance jester.

I doubt jester win will end the game, most of the time it doesn't. Worst case if it doesn't is it's basically a mis-lynch.

Unless you have a better plan, or can give me a better argument towards another player being mafia?
adam2046
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Well, I'm normally all for voting someone who votes themselves, but I'd like to wait until we're at least half way into the day before we start piling votes onto people.
I'm not too keen on winning with a jester either.

LadySuburu wrote:

Conclusion: Wojjan is either Mafia or Jester.
Concluding that it has to be one of the two. Wanna back up this conclusion?
LadySuburu
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adam2046 wrote:

Well, I'm normally all for voting someone who votes themselves, but I'd like to wait until we're at least half way into the day before we start piling votes onto people.
I'm not too keen on winning with a jester either.

LadySuburu wrote:

Conclusion: Wojjan is either Mafia or Jester.
Concluding that it has to be one of the two. Wanna back up this conclusion?
I can't think of any other roles that would say "Screw it." and vote themselves, based on what's happened so far. (Remember, this is Wojjan. If it were some random player, I might believe him being town giving up for some strange reason.)

Can you think of another reason?
adam2046
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adam2046
I find it unlikely that Wojjan would vote hermself as some crazy ploy on only the second day. All it would take is a cop to find out what Wojjan actually has.
Nothing's really stopping the host from creating new roles.

The people I'm currently most suspicious of are Suburu, Wojjan and animask (due to his "helpful" posts and his rolefishing and his insistance on being town and for implying I'm mafia for voting him(also I don't like his posts in general (and he stinks))).
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu

adam2046 wrote:

The people I'm currently most suspicious of are Suburu, Wojjan and animask (due to his "helpful" posts and his rolefishing and his insistance on being town and for implying I'm mafia for voting him(also I don't like his posts in general (and he stinks))).
Mind explaining more on the first two?
Wojjan
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Wojjan
Subu knows I'm a jester because he's mafia. You already stated to know that I'm anti-town. The only reason you ask adam for clarification is testing the waters to see how he thinks of you.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu

Wojjan wrote:

Subu knows I'm a jester because he's mafia. You already stated to know that I'm anti-town. The only reason you ask adam for clarification is testing the waters to see how he thinks of you.
Now I'm even more sure you're mafia, as opposed to a jester. Nice scumpainting attempt.

So, might as well say what I've been thinking since I doubt I'll get any more useful comments out of adam.


Wojjan is mafia, who knows he's screwed from what happened D1, as well as already losing a teammate. Basically gives up (Or is attempting a gambit, but I'm not sure what the goal of such a gambit would be.)

adam is also mafia, who is trying to distance himself from Wojjan. He's attempting to paint me as scum without really saying anything, and also riding on what was one of the easy lynch targets from D1, animask. Therefore, he has two easy targets and a third to back up on if he can get enough "Evidence" to show that I'm scum.

adam2046 wrote:

Well it would be nice if animask could post something more incriminating in reply.
I think this quote is pretty dang fitting. He kinda sat around Day one, not really saying much (Except when he could get animask to post again, since most of animask's statements in every single game are suspicious.) He basically tried to turn everything animask said into saying that he's scum.

I'm not going to pretend I was active much of D1 either. Other than my mini-rage against two, I barely posted any content as well. I also saw animask as suspicious, but I wasn't jumping on every little thing he said in order to paint him as scum. I wasn't sure enough that he wasn't just acting the same as in his first game.



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adam2046 wrote:

I find it unlikely that Wojjan would vote hermself as some crazy ploy on only the second day. All it would take is a cop to find out what Wojjan actually has.
Nothing's really stopping the host from creating new roles.
1. So, why did Wojjan vote himself?

2. Role speculation here, but judging by the results of the lynch and the deaths at night, plus the fact that it's NoHItter running the game (Who was constantly complaining to me about the no-unvote mechanic from HNM1), I'm going to go ahead and say it's safe to assume that we're just using generic roles here.
Lybydose
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vote: Wojjan
pieguyn
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pieguyn
I don't necessarily think Wojjan is mafia. It seems like he's acting suspicious on purpose, like he wants to be lynched, so I bet he's a jester.

That said, animask seemed to be doing the same thing yesterday, and I highly doubt there's two jesters. Perhaps one is a jester and one is mafia. At this point it becomes WIFOM (I'm mafia and I'll make people think I'm a jester so they vote the other person). However, it could just be that animask didn't know what he was doing yesterday. Either way I'm going to go the other way and vote animask.
adam2046
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adam2046
I focus on animask because his playing style pisses me off.

LadySuburu wrote:

So, might as well say what I've been thinking since I doubt I'll get any more useful comments out of adam.
Gee, thanks for suddenly saying that everything I say from now on is useless. I thought we were mafia buddies, man.

You're making some pretty definite statements here Sububu.

LadySuburu wrote:

Wojjan is mafia, who knows he's screwed from what happened D1, as well as already losing a teammate.
adam is also mafia, who is trying to distance himself from Wojjan. He's attempting to paint me as scum without really saying anything
You say that I'm scum painting you, but you're not even including the possibility of me being town in your posts now.
I would like you to point out what I've said that makes me so definitely mafia, so far the only the only thing you've got is my blatant dislike for animask's behavior.

LadySuburu wrote:

1. So, why did Wojjan vote himself?

2. Role speculation here, but judging by the results of the lynch and the deaths at night, plus the fact that it's NoHItter running the game (Who was constantly complaining to me about the no-unvote mechanic from HNM1), I'm going to go ahead and say it's safe to assume that we're just using generic roles here.
1. I don't know. I simply do not know, you do not know. Why don't we just ask?
2. I think we're probably using standard roles too, but I'm not ruling out the possibility of there being a new role or a slight variation on a standard role.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu

adam2046 wrote:

I focus on animask because his playing style pisses me off.

Gee, thanks for suddenly saying that everything I say from now on is useless. I thought we were mafia buddies, man.

You're making some pretty definite statements here Sububu.

You say that I'm scum painting you, but you're not even including the possibility of me being town in your posts now.
I would like you to point out what I've said that makes me so definitely mafia, so far the only the only thing you've got is my blatant dislike for animask's behavior.

1. I don't know. I simply do not know, you do not know. Why don't we just ask?
2. I think we're probably using standard roles too, but I'm not ruling out the possibility of there being a new role or a slight variation on a standard role.
Useless comments: You aren't explaining much of anything when you post, and you haven't answered all my questions yet either.

I didn't include the possibility because, as I stated before I said what I said, that's what I'm thinking. I don't belive that it's true that you're town, so I didn't include it, since I wasn't thinking it. Even more so, I REALLY don't belive it to be true that Wojjan is town.

I believe you're mafia because of what I said about animask, and that you've really not posting much content or explaining anything. I don't buy that you're focusing on him ONLY because you dislike his playing style. That might be part of the reason, but I doubt it's really all. If it is, then are you fine with just lynching people based on playstyles that each of us dislike? I don't see that as a good strategy.

As for why we don't ask, I'm sure we won't get a truthful answer out of Wojjan.
adam2046
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LadySuburu wrote:

I believe you're mafia because of what I said about animask, and that you've really not posting much content or explaining anything. I don't buy that you're focusing on him ONLY because you dislike his playing style. That might be part of the reason, but I doubt it's really all. If it is, then are you fine with just lynching people based on playstyles that each of us dislike? I don't see that as a good strategy.
I'm not fine with that.
I'll make an exception for animask though.

I really don't like the way animask has decided to play the game. Because he is the least helpful person ever. Almost as useless as the people who haven't posted today Hint hint guys. Post something.

LadySuburu wrote:

Useless comments: You aren't explaining much of anything when you post, and you haven't answered all my questions yet either.
Which ones did I miss?

Hey Wojjan, why'd you vote yourself?
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu

LadySuburu wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

The people I'm currently most suspicious of are Suburu, Wojjan and animask (due to his "helpful" posts and his rolefishing and his insistance on being town and for implying I'm mafia for voting him(also I don't like his posts in general (and he stinks))).
Mind explaining more on the first two?
adam2046
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adam2046
Wojjan self voted, I find this suspicious enough by itself.
You because you're slightly more aggressive than I would expect.

No one else because they're not even participating.
HINT HINT GUYS
And no, voting blindly does not count as active participation.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
I voted myself because I suck as jester.
bmin11
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bmin11
I'm not getting how miscounting or voting hermself would be a scumtell. I'll reread the thread after I get my sleep (I've already read another mafia thread with massive posts)
Rantai
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adam2046 wrote:

I find it unlikely that Wojjan would vote hermself as some crazy ploy on only the second day. All it would take is a cop to find out what Wojjan actually has.
There is too much ambiguity that goes with that, for all we know we have an insane cop.

If I may ask, what exactly does a jester turn up as?

LadySuburu wrote:

Now I'm even more sure you're mafia, as opposed to a jester. Nice scumpainting attempt.
That was such a simple tactic that I doubt anyone would have believed (especially with how much she is screwing with us) so jumping to that conclusion seems a bit hasty in my eyes. As to giving up, so Wojjan is the type to give up because 1 mafia member is down?

I don't buy it.

On the topic of Wojjan I'm very heavily leaning towards jester (if that wasn't obvious enough) because if she was pro-town or even mafia what exactly does she have to benefit from attracting that much attention to herself? Self voting, lying about her voting restriction and I bet lying about the typing quirk seeing as nothing has happened to her simply doesn't fit. If anything it fits closer to a neutral role where she wants to be lynched.

... or a mafia role trying to not get lynched by making everyone believe she's a jester... I guess.


Outside that though I'm only really suspicious of adam. You're not really explaining (as LS pointed out too) yourself very well. Your suspicions of Wojjan are warranted (to me). animask though, are you suspicious of him being scum or do you simply think he's being more disruptive than helpful?

Your suspicion of LS seems very weak to me though. You are simply basing it off being slightly more aggressive, which I really don't think is a solid reason at all. I might as well say you're suspicious because you're being fairly aggressive too if I was going along the same thinking.

The fact you're looking for just about anyone to pin suspicion through your 'hinting' doesn't help either.
adam2046
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adam2046

Rantai wrote:

Outside that though I'm only really suspicious of adam. You're not really explaining (as LS pointed out too) yourself very well. Your suspicions of Wojjan are warranted (to me). animask though, are you suspicious of him being scum or do you simply think he's being more disruptive than helpful?
All of the above.

Rantai wrote:

Your suspicion of LS seems very weak to me though. You are simply basing it off being slightly more aggressive, which I really don't think is a solid reason at all. I might as well say you're suspicious because you're being fairly aggressive too if I was going along the same thinking.
It's not like it's a strong suspicion. I included LS in my list of people I find most suspicious for lack of other people acting in a manner I find suspicious and because I find his behavior unusual. As soon as I stated that I was suspicious of LS he started acting as if I was trying to make him out to be mafia and suddenly I'm extremely likely to be mafia.

LadySuburu wrote:

adam is also mafia, who is trying to distance himself from Wojjan. He's attempting to paint me as scum without really saying anything, and also riding on what was one of the easy lynch targets from D1, animask. Therefore, he has two easy targets and a third to back up on if he can get enough "Evidence" to show that I'm scum.
This whole statement just makes me feel uneasy. I've already pointed out the fact that I don't like that Suburu used such a definite style of speech in order to voice his opinions. He also mentioned two easy targets and himself as a third, even though he only mentioned himself and animask (and so possibly miscounted or included Wojjan, subconciously or not).
I wasn't planning on being super in the spotlight today, but as the day started it became quite clear from the start that no one was going to actively start discussion, simply making useless statements or questions ("But what does it meeeeean?") or not posting at all.
Partial success, now we have a number of people participating in discussion.

Rantai wrote:

The fact you're looking for just about anyone to pin suspicion through your 'hinting' doesn't help either.
I have no idea what this means.
Rantai
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Rantai
To clarify then;

adam2046 wrote:

Wojjan self voted, I find this suspicious enough by itself.
You because you're slightly more aggressive than I would expect.

No one else because they're not even participating.
HINT HINT GUYS
It felt like you were looking for people to point fingers at.

Though now that I look at it, it's just a jab at inactivity.
bmin11
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Request for replacement
I don't have much time on my hand, so I'm asking for a replacement. Sorry guys...
Lybydose
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Lybydose
Jester is the dumbest and most overpowered role ever. It's too easy for a mafioso to do something completely stupid and still be able to cover for it because a jester "might" exist. Its mere existence makes people question absolutely everything and gives the mafia such a huge advantage that such a role should never be used in a closed setup unless the town is completely overpowered (and even then...).
intermu
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intermu
jesus, no time to even look at thread at all recently. having real world difficulties at the moment with my flight back home (been 2 freaking days and no flight back home yet, goddamnit), so apologies.
NoHitter
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rust45 is replaicng bmin11.
Also no posts in one day? I'm disappointed guys D:
adam2046
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I'm waiting on DxS.
rust45
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Sup guys, give me time to read through the thread.
rust45
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rust45
Alright, I'm surprised no one proposed that there is SK among us due to the night killing of two people(and one suicide). It could be a vig but I don't think the vig would act on night 1 especially since I don't think there was much to go on to constitute killing Two in the name of the town. I'm almost thinking Wojjan might be the SK trying to distract from the NKs by voting for himself, as that seems to be what all the discussion is about right now.
Lybydose
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FoS rust45
Wojjan
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Wojjan

rust45 wrote:

Alright, I'm surprised no one proposed that there is SK among us due to the night killing of two people(and one suicide). It could be a vig but I don't think the vig would act on night 1 especially since I don't think there was much to go on to constitute killing Two in the name of the town. I'm almost thinking Wojjan might be the SK trying to distract from the NKs by voting for himself, as that seems to be what all the discussion is about right now.
You're the first to mention an SK.

You're also the first to start pointing fingers at who the SK might be.

Compensating for something now are we?
rust45
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rust45

Wojjan wrote:

You're the first to mention an SK.
viewtopic.php?p=913505#p913505
It's just percentages with SK as a possibility, but I was certainly not the first. And I have to say this post kinda irked me as Rantai did mention SK without evidence of one.

Wojjan wrote:

You're also the first to start pointing fingers at who the SK might be
It was just a theory I had, I wasn't outright accusing.

Wojjan wrote:

Compensating for something now are we?
I could ask the same.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
yes I am a mafia jester SK
rust45
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rust45
Ok, where the hell is everyone?
adam2046
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Vote: DxS
Rantai
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Rantai

rust45 wrote:

Ok, where the hell is everyone?
Not a clue, everything went quiet :(

And about me mentioning SK's. The numbers I was using was going by the set up of the last osu! Mafia (to stay consistent with 0_o and his numbers)
Lybydose
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adam2046 wrote:

Vote: DxS
whyyy
adam2046
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adam2046

Lybydose wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

Vote: DxS
whyyy
I want him to say something.
NoHitter
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Deadline is in 24 hours.

VOTE COUNT
Wojjan (3) - Wojjan, LadySuburu, Lybydose
DeathxShinigami (1) - adam2046

Not Voting (7) - Rantai, DeathxShinigami, animask, Mashley, intermu, rust45, pieguy1372

WITH 11 ALIVE, IT TAKES 6 TO HAMMER.

DEADLINE IS IN AROUND 24 HOURS
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adam2046
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I'm voting me...
...Or is me voting I?
NoHitter
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adam2046 wrote:

I'm voting me...
...Or is me voting I?
Fixed. Sorry about that.
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
Vote: Wojjan

cuz she is cool...

Also, I have no idea whats going on with this mafia game...

Recap?
rust45
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Here you go: viewtopic.php?p=904184#p904184
That should be enough for you to get everything.
Wojjan
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Vote: DxS

The deadline is close. Can we lynch someone?
pieguyn
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You missed my vote for animask. D: Vote: animask as stated earlier
Rantai
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Vote: Wojjan

Forgot to take in the possibility of an SK from before, which makes more sense to me seeing as she has no obvious posting restriction and would still be neutral.

Jester or no though, I've got nothing else.
DeathxShinigami
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Vote: Wojjan

Mafia can kill me at night. Didn't do anything on purpose...
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