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0_o
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0_o
0_o, you should have realized that Ph0X and myself both voted for Mashley.
Yes, but for different reasons. You said that you thought he was trying too hard to fit in, and Ph0X voted for him because Mashley had the most FoS's out of everyone (although when you actually look at everyone's explaination for their Mashley FoS's most of them are fairly mild. Ph0X himself didn't even state any strong suspicions about him)
I can see both of those reasons as being fairly valid for a Day 1 vote. NoHItter's initial attack, in my opinion, was not.

Also, the mafia shouldn't know if their roleblock was succesful or not.
The first thing I thought when you posted the "any doctors or cops" post is that you were a (noob) doctor looking for a cop to protect (I had a feeling there were others that thought this as well but didn't say anything in order to keep you hidden, though I could be wrong of course). I believe the mafia had the same idea, which is probably why they roleblocked you. If you hadn't have said anything about it the next day then there would still been have some uncertainty, but blatantly saying "there must be a roleblocker" completely tipped your hand as doctor is the only townie that would know there is a roleblocker.

Also I swear, I can't understand half of what you and DxS say >_>
Sleep Powder
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DeathxShinigami wrote:

In response to animask, it was infighting about the past day 1 that you accused me on mostly when a lot of those accusations were cleared up. I am trying to stay relevant in my posts by continuing to say what I believe in but somehow you like to bring up the past with your reckless playing style which really disturbs me. However it isn't wise to just evade that and immediately accusing someone else without dealing with what others bring up against you first. (such as in my case) Gotta like the bigger shift in playing style since you claimed doctor however.

1) Past? Day 1? Oh, you mean the already "resolved" things? I never refuse the possibility for things.
If you have anything important to bring up about someone other than me in Day 2, please let me know.
I can't find much in Day 2. I miss Ph0X now. :(

2) ty~ I think. I'm getting lynched anyways so I might as well contribute like crazy.
(or maybe I just raised my lynch rate...)

Also, how much time do we have left? Approx.?
0_o
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0_o

animask wrote:

ty~ I think. I'm getting lynched anyways so I might as well contribute like crazy.
(or maybe I just raised my lynch rate...)

Also, how much time do we have left? Approx.?
Firstly I'm pretty sure you aren't getting lynched today.

Secondly we have 1 day + 18 hours left.
bmin11
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animask wrote:

bmin11, you accused my idea of the mafia targeting another mafia to be stupid, when you forgot about how it is opposite
of the mafia buddy system. You also refused to believe it could be possible (I didn't claim you as mafia. I just made an example of a possible mafia pairing like that.)
I know they would also try to distance themselve to avoid alignment, but you suggested "mafia trying to lynch a mafia" not "mafia trying to distance eachother by putting suspicion" and I was a bit humoured by it. Well now I understand what you are trying to say, so there's no problem with this anymore (to me).

animask wrote:

You shouldn't have gotten too upset by my assumptions unless you were actually guilty
I wasn't upset by your assumption, but how you ignored my respond TWICE and ASKED AGAIN. *ahem* It wouldn't have been a big deal (since most knew you were a doctor anyway), but ignoring me is a different matter. I'm going to remind you again (because I'm worried you might have missed it again), please read my posts.



animask wrote:

I agree with the HoS pseudo-vote/unvote idea. Except, will we have to vote at the last minute or something similar?
Everyone will vote on their last log in before the lynch. Voting means "I have made my decision and I'm not going to change my vote no matter how you defense". So ya, remember to vote if you can't log in before the lynch. We need eveyones vote
bmin11
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NoHItter wrote:

Ahh crap. I forgot that since the votes are permanent, claiming when you are about to get lynched is useless.
Next day I suggest we really go through with a pseudo-voting system before actually voting to give leeway for any changes in suspicions
And how did I not see this until now ;_; Sorry NoHItter for accusing you...


Good thing I'm going through the thread again. I might as well do it again *sigh*
rust45
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I'm sorry for the inactivity but there are a couple reasons for it.

1. Bro home from college and just doing other things.
2. My normal computer is in the shop and I'm using my old tower which is a pain to work with at times.

Anyway, I agree on the pseudo-voting system to avoid the incident on day 1, but only as long as people will treat a HoS on them like a vote. Without the feeling of being threatened, which is a way voting can be used for scum-hunting (basically the whole point of RVS), pressuring will be harder. So hopefully NoHItter gets my message when I put my HoS on him.

Reason being that he has always felt odd in my gut to me, used to think it was an aux feeling, but now it seems like he's scum.
He seemed to be the first to really jump on Mashley and he was also suspicious of animask, and I think the only reason why he tried to defend his unvoting and stopped pushing on animask is because he realized they were lost tangents and further pushing animask would be suspicious. WIFOM I know, but I think it's probable.
He also seemed to be trying really hard to justify his questionnaire during day 1 (explaining it multiple times), which the questionnaire by itself wasn't suspicious to me, the over-defense (IMO) of it seems like a scum tell.
He seems to be against WIFOM even though it's an important part of the game. Without WIFOM, there's less to go off of.

I just went through the whole thread to dig up dirt on NoHItter, found more than I expected, no wonder I had that gut feeling for him.
NoHitter
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Incidentally rust, what are those "dirt" you mentioned?

Another clarification then about my vote on Mashley. (Hopefully final)
1) Yes I suspected him merely because of my gut in the first place, but...
2) What animask said "He is trying to fit in too much", convinced me that Mashley was suspicious. It also seemed to explain why my gut was pinging on Mashley. It was also the reason why Ph0x switched his vote.
3) After I voted Mashley, I realized what I did was wrong.

NoHItter wrote:

Ahh crap. I forgot that since the votes are permanent, claiming when you are about to get lynched is useless.
Next day I suggest we really go through with a pseudo-voting system before actually voting to give leeway for any changes in suspicions
rust45
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NoHItter wrote:

Incidentally rust, what are those "dirt" you mentioned?
Basically all of what I mentioned about you in my previous post. Stuff you did or said that I found incriminating.

NoHItter wrote:

Ahh crap. I forgot that since the votes are permanent, claiming when you are about to get lynched is useless.
Next day I suggest we really go through with a pseudo-voting system before actually voting to give leeway for any changes in suspicions
When I read this post in context (both when it was posted and through my re-read), it seemed more like you were talking about claiming when one's about to get lynched. The post didn't seem to have to do with your vote at all.
DeathxShinigami
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Hi guys, family event today (Wooo.....) Didn't get much sleep last night but I'll try to post when I can.

(Apologies)

-DxS
rust45
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Mod: may you please update the OP to show the starts of the days, I remember this being in other games and it's useful for reference.
DeathxShinigami
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I'd like to hear other people's thoughts on the whole rust and NoHItter possibly being mafia.

and it's fine if you all wish to question my opinion on it as well~
LadySuburu
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rust45 wrote:

Mod: may you please update the OP to show the starts of the days, I remember this being in other games and it's useful for reference.
If I feel less lazy after I get up tomorrow, or if I still feel this lazy but someone has posted the links to D1 and D2 start.

Heading off to sleep.
bmin11
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I still haven't got any posts about suspicion against rust45

and animask, you didn't post anything about rust45 on your last suspicion list (or similar to) for some reason.
Sleep Powder
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bmin11 wrote:

I still haven't got any posts about suspicion against rust45

and animask, you didn't post anything about rust45 on your last suspicion list (or similar to) for some reason.
I knew I was forgetting something...

rust45, all I can see is that you're being slightly informative, but you're not really accusing anyone of doing anything.
Not accusing people could be a way of having yourself from sus(s) instead of lurking.

Found this.

If I was mafia, I wouldn't even kill him, as when I'm mafia, I go for those who did participate as much as others, that way I get get someone who was slowing down the game, and possibly an aux role who was trying to go noticed. Ph0x did not meet my conditions for a night 1 kill.


Opposite of what the mafia actually did. (The "possibly an aux role" part could mean me. You were thinking of NK Ph0X or me.) Then again,you must have thought about what would happen NK the person slowing down the game. The good townie player would be able to find you out (if you were mafia). Why take out the bad player if you were mafia? That seems more like what a townie would think.
rust45
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animask wrote:

Why take out the bad player if you were mafia? That seems more like what a townie would think.
There's more to mafia than winning IMO. As a townie there's not really anything you can do to make it fun (espcially in small games like this), but as a mafia, killing good players will make it less interesting. I dunno though, I haven't actually been mafia in a game so I don't know if doing this is really that great of an idea.
Sleep Powder
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rust45 wrote:

animask wrote:

Why take out the bad player if you were mafia? That seems more like what a townie would think.
There's more to mafia than winning IMO. As a townie there's not really anything you can do to make it fun (espcially in small games like this), but as a mafia, killing good players will make it less interesting. I dunno though, I haven't actually been mafia in a game so I don't know if doing this is really that great of an idea.
But if you don't play to win, its not really as fun. I could probably make the game fun on the townie side ( I think I have. ) Also, even
if you're not playing on the mafia side, it helps to think that you are. Personally, I like small games (around 10 or less) but I don't have much
experience in mafia, so I'm not sure what bigger groups would be like. There's probably less at stake in bigger games, because if one person
is eliminated, it doesn't usually make a huge difference as it would here.
DeathxShinigami
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rust45 wrote:

I dunno though, I haven't actually been mafia in a game so I don't know if doing this is really that great of an idea.
If you really are town I'm voting NoHItter then...cause he doesn't seem to be anymore willing than you to roleclaim. x:

That said...probably have an idea on who will be lynched depending on the next day.
NoHitter
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FWIW, It's useless to roleclaim.
animask claimed Doctor.
Mashley was Cop.

All other possible roles now are either Scum or Vanilla Townies.
And speaking of which, I am a Vanilla Townie.
Sleep Powder
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NoHItter wrote:

FWIW, It's useless to roleclaim.
animask claimed Doctor.
Mashley was Cop.

All other possible roles now are either Scum or Vanilla Townies.
And speaking of which, I am a Vanilla Townie.
Or the Roleblocker~

Since you forgot to mention, but then again, scum is scum.
LadySuburu
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Roughly 5 hours until deadline.
NoHitter
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I absolutely have no idea who scum is right now.
I now have a tied feeling between 0_o and rust which shouldn't be as there are only two mafia.
I won't be around in five hours, so I'm going to vote now.

Among the three, I think rust is most likely scum.
My reason is because he bandwagonned on me with his HoS. (and my gut, but the second reason isn't accepted, isn't it)
IMO, rust is also trying to fit in with who is currently suspicious. His current attitude seems like osmeone trying to blend in/ go with the flow.

0_o is next. I can't say much about him other than my gut and his playstyle is somewhat different from the previous game I hosted.

Vote: rust45

If we mislynch today, it will be Ly-Lo tomorrow if the Mafia successfully kill. That would leave it to 3 town : 2 mafia.
At that point, I would suggest that town not vote anyone yet. Wait until there is a solid and general consensus. If by any chance, any one town submits a vote on a fellow townie, the mafia will just bandwagon to win.
DeathxShinigami
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I have a feeling mafia will kill whoever has been most supportive and active (unless they kill doctor)

The reasoning on rust may be very vague but right now considering with all of the time left (plus I have work in about an hour)

I have no choice to vote on rust.

his..."odd" choice of wording leads me to heavily question his stance in the game and his posts urk me anyways. (unlike animask and Player Q or even NoHItter who even spent some amount of time with their opinions and posts.)

It was nice knowing you in this game...

Vote:rust45
Sleep Powder
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@NoHitTer thanks for doing the math.

I think I'll be able to HoS rust45 for now.

I'll be waiting for other votes/HoS's first.
DeathxShinigami
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@ NoHItter if you're still around before the deadline who was your third? I only saw faceman and rust...

Day 2 sure was interesting now.

Also, iirc bmin's going to korea soon so he might be afk for a day or something.
0_o
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0_o
Go time.

vote NoHItter

If he turns up town I'm going with DxS + rust for mafia.
bmin11
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0_o wrote:

If he turns up town I'm going with DxS + rust for mafia.
DxS voted rust45 by the way


*sigh* I guess there are really anything to be analytical... my gut is saying rust45, but if we are voting rust45 for inactivity, Q and 0_o should also be on the list really... My reason why I'm getting the hunch of a scum is that he didn't cease down to attack NoHItter even me and NoHItter posted an evidence that it was NoHItter's mistake (duration between a vote and the post was 10~20min only if I remember). So....



HoS on rust45. If nothing turns my attention or convincing, this should be my vote
bmin11
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Wait until there is a solid and general consensus. If by any chance, any one town submits a vote on a fellow townie, the mafia will just bandwagon to win.
And wow, never thought of that. This is really dangerous indeed... we should come up with some opinion list or questionnaire so we can have everyone to post and not waste times like Day 2


And DxS, why am I getting the feeling of a bandwagon from you? I'm asking this leaving the friendship behind us at the moment (this is a game this is a game this is a game)
0_o
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0_o

bmin11 wrote:

DxS voted rust45 by the way
Hmm, well DxS COULD be simply deepening his cover, but I'll admit that I forgot to take that into consideration so I'll revise that statement:
If NoHItter turns town then rust45 is most likely mafia. Not sure who his partner would be, but I'm thinking either DxS or Q.
Though it looks like rust45 is kicking the bucket anyway so that scenario is likely moot.

If rust turns town, I am almost certain DxS and No are mafia
If rust turns mafia, I have no freaking idea what to think. I'd probably have to do another readthrough..
rust45
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Well, just like yesterday, there basically two people on the chopping block, however, it seems more likely that one is mafia this time.
With that said Vote: NoHitter as I certainly want to survive and not have the town on Ly-lo tomorrow. I've already explained my reasoning and I just want to say that if I do get lynched, don't automatically assume NoHitter is mafia, as he said, one mis vote and mafia will bandwagon.

Oh yeah, I suppose I should say I'm townie, just as NoHitter claimed.
DeathxShinigami
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bmin11 wrote:

Wait until there is a solid and general consensus. If by any chance, any one town submits a vote on a fellow townie, the mafia will just bandwagon to win.
And wow, never thought of that. This is really dangerous indeed... we should come up with some opinion list or questionnaire so we can have everyone to post and not waste times like Day 2


And DxS, why am I getting the feeling of a bandwagon from you? I'm asking this leaving the friendship behind us at the moment (this is a game this is a game this is a game)
Yikes bmin, way to get edgy on me all of a sudden eh?

Read my post carefully from earlier and note the odd wording of "rust's sentences and phrases" I missed a bit the past couple of days but hey. I decided to go for rust because I reread the day 2 portion, carefully examined everyone's posts and ideas but rust stood out to me the most as being "scummish" so heh.
bmin11
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As I claimed earlier, I'll vote rust45, but I notice that rust45 came with a valid point

rust45 wrote:

Well, just like yesterday, there basically two people on the chopping block
This is giving me a weird feeling.... I might have to think about it deeper about this.....


Vote: rust45 (time is running out and I believe rust45's last post is his last claim he wants to take)
0_o
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0_o

bmin11 wrote:

As I claimed earlier, I'll vote rust45, but I notice that rust45 came with a valid point

rust45 wrote:

Well, just like yesterday, there basically two people on the chopping block
This is giving me a weird feeling.... I might have to think about it deeper
Err I'm pretty sure this just means that we are either lynching either No or rust today.
bmin11
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0_o wrote:

Err I'm pretty sure this just means that we are either lynching either No or rust today.
Oh right "Two people on the chopping board". I read it the other way >_>;;
Sleep Powder
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vote: rust45
LadySuburu
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Vote Count:

rust45 (4) - NoHItter, DxS, bmin11, animask
NoHItter (2) - 0_o, rust45

Everyone was sure it was rust45, he just seemed bad. After a bit of discussion, some arguing, and a bunch of nothing...

*snap*

One of the executors had walked in while nobody was looking, snapped rust45's neck, and dragged the body out of the room.



Later that night...

"You guys screwed up again! rust45 has absolutely no connection to the victims, or the mafia. Remind me why we're letting you decide who to execute?"

rust45 - Townie - Lynched D2

It is now night, submit blah blah 48 hours blah blah.
LadySuburu
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In the morning, you find animask dead on the ground, medical supplies in hand. It seems like he was going to attempt to make sure nobody else died...

Unfortunately, he couldn't protect himself.

animask - Doctor - Killed N2

It is now day 3, with 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch. Deadline is 3 days.
0_o
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gahhh iknewitiknewitiknewit

HoS NoHItter

HoS DxS
NoHitter
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No one vote until we have reached a general consensus.

Sigh. It's useless. I was so sure rust was mafia.

0_o:
The problem with faceman is that I absolutely have no reads on him on Day 1. My gut is telling me that he is scum, but what I see says otherwise. I think Day 1 analysis is one of the most vital analysis as scum had no chance of talking yet. At the moment, I don't think 0_o and DxS are a scumteam - 0_o basically HoS'd both me and DxS.

One odd thing about faceman is that he already placed a dichotomy before rust or me was going to get lynched.

0_o wrote:

If NoHItter turns town then rust45 is most likely mafia. Not sure who his partner would be, but I'm thinking either DxS or Q.
Though it looks like rust45 is kicking the bucket anyway so that scenario is likely moot.

0_o wrote:

If rust turns town, I am almost certain DxS and No are mafia
If rust turns mafia, I have no freaking idea what to think. I'd probably have to do another readthrough..
I think this statement was a basis to vote the other in the next Day. Town shouldn't already limit themselves the previous Day. IMO those two statements seem to be a bases to vote the one who didn't get lynched. Thus I am suspicious of it.
Also I think I see a logic error somewhere. (If NoHitter = town, rust = mafia, then why did he not say the reverse if rust were to flip mafia?) Scum


DxS:
Since the start, DxS has been playing oddly. "Bluffing" bmin, etc. His vote on rust, after mine, seems to be just hoping on the bandwagon. Though since I think 0_o is most likely Mafia, then I think DxS isn't Mafia. Neutral

HoS: 0_o
Quaraezha
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Okay I'm a liiiitttlle bit sure now (just a little)

FoS on NoHItter and DxS

NoHItter seems to be defensive to DxS when claiming that he is neutral.
If these two are mafia, it'll only make sense (probably)

just my 2 cents
0_o
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NoHItter wrote:

One odd thing about faceman is that he already placed a dichotomy before rust or me was going to get lynched.

0_o wrote:

If NoHItter turns town then rust45 is most likely mafia. Not sure who his partner would be, but I'm thinking either DxS or Q.
Though it looks like rust45 is kicking the bucket anyway so that scenario is likely moot.

0_o wrote:

If rust turns town, I am almost certain DxS and No are mafia
If rust turns mafia, I have no freaking idea what to think. I'd probably have to do another readthrough..
I think this statement was a basis to vote the other in the next Day. Town shouldn't already limit themselves the previous Day. IMO those two statements seem to be a bases to vote the one who didn't get lynched. Thus I am suspicious of it.
I posted those scenarios so I could have all of my thoughts out in the open in case I was nightkilled.

Also I think I see a logic error somewhere. (If NoHitter = town, rust = mafia, then why did he not say the reverse if rust were to flip mafia?) Scum
If you turned up town then the possible mafia in my mind would have been two of rust, DxS and Q. There's a 2/3 chance that any one of them could be mafia via random chance, and you turning town would have gave rust even more mafia points, so he would have been a safe bet.
Now if rust turned up mafia, then only one of you, DxS and Q would be mafia (1/3 chance). You and DxS would have earned town points for lynching him, but seeing as Q was also low on my suspicions list I wouldn't really have a good case against anyone.

EDIT: Spelling, formatting etc.
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Quaraezha wrote:

NoHItter seems to be defensive to DxS when claiming that he is neutral.
I'm not getting what you mean. Could you elaborate it further?

0_o wrote:

If you turned up town then the possible mafia in my mind would have been two of rust, DxS and Q. There's a 2/3 chance that any one of them could be mafia via random chance, and you turning town would have gave rust even more mafia points, so he would have been a safe bet.
Now if rust turned up mafia, then only [i]one[/] of you, DxS and Q would be mafia (1/3 chance). You and DxS would have earned town points for lynching him, but seeing as Q was also low on my suspicions list I wouldn't really have a good case against anyone.
I seem to get what you mean, but you probably should have explained it when you posted it. UnHoS: 0_o

Well back to square one. My next scummy read is my neutral read on DxS...

New order of suspicions: (Top = more suspicious)
DxS
0_o = Quarazezha
bmin11
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I'll post in soon. I just have an exam (last one) in 15min ;_;
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NoHItter wrote:

Quaraezha wrote:

NoHItter seems to be defensive to DxS when claiming that he is neutral.
I'm not getting what you mean. Could you elaborate it further?
Since people are now suspicious of DxS, you try to defend him by saying that he seems neutral.
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Quaraezha wrote:

Since people are now suspicious of DxS, you try to defend him by saying that he seems neutral.
That was my read/opinion on DxS. I found him Neutral, because despite the suspicious things he done, faceman attacked him, and I though faceman was scum. Now that I don't quite think faceman is scum, DxS is now on top of my suspicions list.
DeathxShinigami
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I find it hilarious about NoHItter's tactics to FoS me without actually doing it.

I now have HUGE SUSPICIONS on NoHItter. Afterall, you were the one who made the wrong call on rust and I had equal suspicions on both of you. (Also, no targeting bmin mafia?)

hahahaha....
DeathxShinigami
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Also, wouldn't mafia rather nightkill someone who could probably "have more of an impact on day 3 to attempt to lynch mafia?" Still believe you're underestimating town whoever you are mafia...

It's not over yet though NoHItter.
NoHitter
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FWIW, you don't have to FoS someone to show you are suspicious of them.
Yes. My call on rust was wrong, but what he did scummy regardless.
Scumhunting means finding something scummy that someone did. rust did something scummy, so I thought that he was mafia.
DeathxShinigami
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Keep FWIW'ing me and that just makes you trollish, mafia's tend to target only one user cause they think that at this point that's a town since you have better odds.

Still want some justification.
NoHitter
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DeathxShinigami wrote:

Keep FWIW'ing me and that just makes you trollish, mafia's tend to target only one user cause they think that at this point that's a town since you have better odds.
I assume you mean that mafia tend to only target one person as they have better odds of having him lynched?
Well, I'm not mafia and the reason I think you're the only one suspicious at the moment is because who is acting suspiciously.
The second mafia can wait. Once someone flips scum, it's easy to find links between him and another person.
FYI I also considered faceman's actions suspicious, but he justified his actions and thus I didn't find it suspicious anymore.

DeathxShinigami wrote:

Still want some justification.
I already posted my justification.

NoHItter wrote:

Since the start, DxS has been playing oddly. "Bluffing" bmin, etc. His vote on rust, after mine, seems to be just hoping on the bandwagon. Though since I think 0_o is most likely Mafia, then I think DxS isn't Mafia. Neutral

NoHItter wrote:

That was my read/opinion on DxS. I found him Neutral, because despite the suspicious things he done, faceman attacked him, and I though faceman was scum. Now that I don't quite think faceman is scum, DxS is now on top of my suspicions list.
DeathxShinigami
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Why the hell don't you target someone else if you're not mafia then?

Think I pretty much found out who mafia is now if your claim is true...
0_o
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0_o
Oh right, might as well answer that questionnaire from earlier:

[b]1) What is your preferred/ favorite role and why?[/b] Either vanilla townie or mafia. Townie because you can go all out without worrying about being nightkilled, and mafia because lying is fun :)
2) [b]Would you lynch lurkers?[/b] It depends on the situation. In big games where one can afford a few mislynches then I'm ok with cutting the fat so long as there's not much else to go on, but in smaller games like these it's a lot more risky.
3) [b]In lynching people, do you use your gut mostly, or do you analyze the situation?[/b] I find that I sometimes have trouble distiguishing the line
4) Do you believe in the usage of meta? (Basically using other games as a reference) Helps build character upon later games but usually it's not that important.
0_o
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0_o
Oh right, might as well answer that questionnaire from earlier:

[b]1) What is your preferred/ favorite role and why?[/b] Either vanilla townie or mafia. Townie because you can go all out without worrying about being nightkilled, and mafia because lying is fun :)
2) [b]Would you lynch lurkers?[/b] It depends on the situation. In big games where one can afford a few mislynches then I'm ok with cutting the fat so long as there's not much else to go on, but in smaller games like these it's a lot more risky.
3) [b]In lynching people, do you use your gut mostly, or do you analyze the situation?[/b] I find that I sometimes have trouble distiguishing the line
4) Do you believe in the usage of meta? (Basically using other games as a reference) Helps build character upon later games but usually it's not that important.
bmin11
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0_o, you answered that like pages ago >_>


DeathxShinigami wrote:

Why the hell don't you target someone else if you're not mafia then?
Because he's so certain that you are mafia and NoHItter indeed FoSed 0_o as well until 0_o defenced it back. Why don't you try to defence instead?

And I'm still getting a feel of bandwagon from your post because...
1. you did not HoS before voting (you were able to post before the lynch)
2. Your reasoning was loose ("The reasoning on rust may be very vague but right now considering with all of the time left", "his posts urk me anyways")

If you were unsure with your vote, you should have HoSed and waited for other's (or even rust45) to post their opinions. You always seem to be a bit in a rush whenever you vote :<


HoS on DxS (I told you, I'm going to play fair and not biased)
0_o
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0_o
.....what?? I didn't post those. I actually have no idea what happened there.
DeathxShinigami
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DeathxShinigami
Kill town = GJ

Just guessing that mafia is a combo of

0_o + Player Q
0_o + bmin
bmin + Player Q

if NoHItter's statement is true.
bmin11
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bmin11

DxS wrote:

if NoHItter's statement is true.
Hey, you left your self out
And it's pretty obvious we would have a combination of bmin11, 0_o, and Q as possible mafias if you exclude you and NoHItter out >_>;;
DeathxShinigami
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DeathxShinigami
Why should I include myself if I don't see myself as mafia?

it doesn't matter anyways if you guys want to lynch me or if mafia wants to kill me.

I won't be winning the game anyways no matter what alignment I am.

End of story.
bmin11
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DeathxShinigami wrote:

Why should I include myself if I don't see myself as mafia?

it doesn't matter anyways if you guys want to lynch me or if mafia wants to kill me.

I won't be winning the game anyways no matter what alignment I am.

End of story.
......... being a defeatist is not the right choice and I thought you learnt this on your last game.....
And my last post isn't suppose to be serious at all. Just pointing out that you were saying the obvious >_>;;;;;;;
DeathxShinigami
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DeathxShinigami
Defeatist doesn't mean that whoevers side I belong to loses. I'm just saying it's useless to jump onto every little detail onto my post.

But hey, I had a good run in newbie mafia.
DeathxShinigami
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DeathxShinigami
okay 25 hour bump

Wanna kill me mafia?
bmin11
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bmin11
........you still haven't said anything about your hasty vote...... there must be a reason why you voted without HoSing.......


And I'll be on a flight to S.Korea for the next 24 hours
bmin11
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bmin11
I just found out the next 24+@ hours are my last hours before the dead line. May we get an extension since it's an important lynch that would require everyone's vote (lylo state) ?
0_o
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0_o
I was away all yesterday and I have a final to study for today... so I would be in favour of an extension as well, if possible.
NoHitter
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Sigh. Frankly I'm getting bored with this topic already, so I'm going to gambit. (If Town loses because of this, then sorry)
I'm going to place a vote on someone I think is scum. If there are no two consecutive votes for a hammer, then that means one of two things.
1) I'm scum.
2) The one I voted is scum.
(Well there is a third option that we're both scum, but it's too much WIFOM)
With this there is a 1/2 chance I hit scum correctly.

Quaraezha: I have no read on him. he doesn't post often and all his posts are in agreement to what others say. Neutral.
DeathxShinigami: I've already said my reasoning on him as to why I think he's scummy, but his recent posts seem to tell me that he's frustrated town. Neutral.
0_o: Replaced iMuffin and gives content. There's the issue of the dichotomy on Day 2, but explained it. Neutral.
bmin11: Townie feel. Lots of good content. Town.

Vote: Quaraezha
/me hopes gambit worked.
0_o
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0_o
Interesting.

Well I think we are safe for now at least, the only way we lost is if both DxS and bmin are mafia, and I think bmin is a pretty clear town player (though if you aren't then seriously, bravo, you deserve to win this).

So assuming we haven't just lost, the following combinations are NOT mafia:
0_o + DxS
bmin + DxS
bmin + 0_o

I have some other things to say but I would like to hear what the rest of you think of this situation first.
DeathxShinigami
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DeathxShinigami
Hunch on bmin's town

Leaves 3 others not including myself.

Will he die at night then mafia?

Will I get lynched?

Will we lose 2 towns if that happens?

Running some possibilities. Been wrong before though so really "anything can happen"

Leaning towards a more likely vote on Player Q or NoHItter however.
NoHitter
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By the fact that there have been no other votes on Quaraezha by 0_o and DxS, it means my gambit paid off.
Either me or Quaraezha is mafia.
(Although I'm pretty sure Quaraezha is.)
0_o
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0_o
I would really like to hear what Q has to say.
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
It's a gamble, I'm not quite sure what else to say to defend myself. lol
Well I'm pretty sure I'm not Mafia, I'm not sure if I should vote for NoHItter because of this gambit thing and how he probably was hoping everyone else would bandwagon with it. But meh, it is gambit.
NoHitter
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NoHitter

Quaraezha wrote:

It's a gamble, I'm not quite sure what else to say to defend myself. lol
Well I'm pretty sure I'm not Mafia, I'm not sure if I should vote for NoHItter because of this gambit thing and how he probably was hoping everyone else would bandwagon with it. But meh, it is gambit.
The fact that no one jumped on you means that one of us is scum.
Remember that one cannot unvote in this game - meaning that if town voted town, scum could easily bandwagon on the townie who got voted without the worry of the original voter unvoting.
Quaraezha
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You actually have a point, since there are 5 of us who are still alive, it'll take 3 to hammer.
1 vote from town and 2 votes from Mafia. Maybe they're just inactive atm (?)
or they haven't thought of that plan yet, iunno.
bmin11
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Q wrote:

Maybe they're just inactive atm (?)
You saying me and 0_o are mafia?

Q wrote:

they haven't thought of that plan yet, iunno.

NoHItter wrote:

If we mislynch today, it will be Ly-Lo tomorrow if the Mafia successfully kill. That would leave it to 3 town : 2 mafia.
At that point, I would suggest that town not vote anyone yet. Wait until there is a solid and general consensus. If by any chance, any one town submits a vote on a fellow townie, the mafia will just bandwagon to win.


I see no reasons for holding my vote off at this stage. Q or NoHItter is clearly mafia and I would say, a mafia wouldn't have done the gamble. Thus, NoHItter would likely be a townie. This does not require more then common sense :<


Vote: Quaraezha
0_o
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0_o
Alrighty then.

Well both of your responses to this seem quite fishy to me:
-If I were in this situation I probably would be saying something something along the lines of "GUYS, X IS DEFINITELY MAFIA, VOTE FOR HIM OR WE'LL LOSE AUHFLADJHALKSHF". NoHItter just doesn't seem to be reacting to the information that Q is 100% mafia with much urgency at all, which, seeing as it's lylo does not seem townlike (please comment on this point though guys, I'm comparing it to how I would react but I'm not 100% sure that reflects how any townie would react.)
-Q seems reluctant to vote NoHItter even though it should be obvious to him that No is definitely mafia. He could just be a naive townie, but it could also could mean that Q is mafia and the fact that he should be sure No is mafia evades him since he has trouble putting himself into town shoes. OR, he is trying to protect his partner by not voting for him.

So yeah, not sure what to think atm. I think there's a decent possibility that both of them are mafia, but either way we gotta vote for one of 'em.
0_o
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0_o
woahhh what now?

bmin wrote:

I see no reasons for holding my vote off at this stage. Q or NoHItter is clearly mafia and I would say, a mafia wouldn't have done the gamble. Thus, NoHItter would likely be a townie. This does not require more then common sense :<


Vote: Quaraezha
Why wouldn't a mafioso have done the gamble? It wouldn't have even been a gamble for the mafia - they already know who's town and who isn't.

Pleeeeease let me be wrong about DxS + No...
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
Well then.

vote: NoHItter
bmin11
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bmin11

0_o wrote:

woahhh what now?

bmin wrote:

I see no reasons for holding my vote off at this stage. Q or NoHItter is clearly mafia and I would say, a mafia wouldn't have done the gamble. Thus, NoHItter would likely be a townie. This does not require more then common sense :<


Vote: Quaraezha
Why wouldn't a mafioso have done the gamble? It wouldn't have even been a gamble for the mafia - they already know who's town and who isn't.

Pleeeeease let me be wrong about DxS + No...
Because the mafia could have just waited for the vote or have no lynch. Either way was mafia's victory road. I don't see how the mafia would want to take the risk. Of course, I'm not saying NoHItter would not be mafia when Q happens to be mafia, but clearly one or other is a mafia in this case. You may vote for NoHItter if you have doubt on him or think Q is a townie, but I thought Q was the likelier one and I voted on him



fuuuuuuu you are right how did I not see that dinvownvjmwimwilm shouldn't have played my vote right after I arrived from my flight orz


It's up to you guys now... Sorry...
NoHitter
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I'm not mafia.
If you're wondering about my "underreaction", I'm always like this.
You can check my more recent meta in MafiaScum. Although in that situation I was town and the mafia was false-claiming Cop and a guilty investigated on me in Ly-Lo. I'll be happy to give links.
(Ah crap I can't believe that I'm betraying my "don't use meta" answer, but it's kind of lose or delay the game now.)
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
This is the best mafia I've ever played.
0_o
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0_o
I want to hear from DxS before making my final decision.
Ph0X
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Ph0X
This game is making me uneasy.

I won't say anything else.

Hints in hidden text? Nah...
DeathxShinigami
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DeathxShinigami
So it seems it comes down to me though?

Unfortunately I'm going to do this.

Vote: Quaraezha

I would like to think that NoHItter is still also mafia but now all of the evidence we have now seems to be more towards Player Q if anything and either way I bet 0_o wouldn't vote for NoHItter either this late into the game so...

Also, hi Ph0x
LadySuburu
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Vote Count:

Who cares, it should be obvious and I'm too lazy (1) - LadySuburu


You were tired of this nonsense, and decided it was time to get it over with. As you were preparing to pool together your votes, NoHItter walked over to the box and deposited a vote.

"I vote for Quaraezha. I'm taking a chance here, but I'm sure he's mafia."

Time passed, it seemed forever before someone else spoke up.

"...I guess Quaraezha seems like he'd be a member of the mafia."

More time passed.

"I hate to do this, but Quaraezha has to go."

Quaraezha begins freaking out, he runs at NoHItter, intent to kill from his eyes. Right before he makes it to him however, a gunshot is heard. Quaraezha drops dead to the floor, and the same men who came in the last two times take the body away.

"It seems you guys actually made the right choice this time. We just obtained intel linking Quaraezha to the murders. You just might have made the right choice this time."

Quaraezha - Mafia Goon - Lynched Day 3.

It is now night 3. You know the drill.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu
You wake to find NoHItter's dead body, sitting against the wall. Nothing gruesome, just a boring death. How lame.

NoHItter - Townie - Killed N3.

It is now Day 4. With 3 alive, it's 2 to lynch. Deadline is in two days.
DeathxShinigami
1,176 posts
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Judging all of this by timezones I have came to conclude that 0_o is the remaining mafia due to the time between Night 3 and Day 4 as towns could not send actions and night 3 would end depending on when the remaining mafia would send his action.

Holding my vote so at least everyone can say something before we make a vote.
0_o
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0_o
...woah. That was unexpected.

EDIT: oh that's how you're playing it. I see.

Well I'm actually writing an exam in 15 minutes so I don't have time to go into details, but it looks like this is gonna be a DxS vs. 0_o showdown with bmin breaking the tie. Don't do anything drastic til I get back? ;)
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
...and so, the cards are flipped over...
0_o
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0_o
Alright here we go. I was going to vote Q yesterday, and here's why:
Here are the possible mafia combinations after No's gambit on Q:
No + 0_o
No + DxS
No + Q
No + bmin
Q + 0_o
Q + DxS
Q + bmin

Then bmin's vote for Q eliminated the possibility of No + DxS and No + 0_o, since one of us would have hammered and won. This left:
No + Q
No + bmin
Q + 0_o
Q + DxS
Q + bmin

Thus the only possible way Q wasn't scum is if No + bmin were together, and my strong hunch on bmin being town left the conclusion that Q was almost definitely mafia. I only waited for DxS to show up before hammering so we could have a solid idea of where everyone stood on the final day.

Now I was fully expecting bmin to be NKed tonight since he has been considered town by pretty much everyone. NoHItter, DxS and I have been pointing suspicion at eachother for the entire second half of the game, wouldn't having the three of us in the final have been a better situation than having a practically confirmed townie? The only reason I can think of that he would keep bmin around is that he thinks he can use his relationship with him as leverage.

No matter the reason, I simply cannot see myself being convinced of bmin's guilt at this point. So bmin, if you are the mafia then again, congrats, you deserved it.

vote DxS
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu

0_o wrote:

vote DxS
Mafia games end when there's no possible way (other than purposeful mafia suicide) the town can win. Unvoting is impossible. So of course, you know what this post means.

-----------------------------

"Based on my calculations, DxS must be the mafia!"

As 0_o went forward and voted, some masked men came into the room. At that point, bmin's face lit up with joy.

"You guys made it! They managed to get Q, but not me."

DxS and 0_o tried to run, but were both shot before they could escape.

bmin went on to enjoy a happy life as a rich mafia member... until his next adventure.

DxS and 0_o - Townies - Killed endgame.

bmin11 - Mafia Roleblocker - wins!
LadySuburu
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Mod Notes (more to come eventually?):

1. bmin's play was superb. I saw just two potential mistakes that I could notice at a glance.

a. bmin's first post D2. Almost gave away that he knew there was a doctor. Also funny since he roleblocked animask, who happened to protect Ph0x that night.

b. Voting Q so early on D3. It would've been possible to win on D3 assuming the vote didn't sway to DxS. However, this also solidified bmin's position as town in people's minds, so it may have been intentional.


2. I like the no-unvoting mechanic, but at least one player didn't. I would like to hear feedback from other players.
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Wojjan
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Wojjan
Welp! Nice play, bmin.
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
Not bad. I actually secretly suspected him a lot, since the Doctor thing.

I had no comebacks or any way of getting anyone to vote for him.

I didn't want to run on low sus(s), because of the risk.

I tried to protect him on the last NK, because I knew I would get NK'd anyways.
(jk, I just didn't know who was really mafia)

Being Mafia sounds easier D: I would've won too if I was actually mafia.
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Two_old
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Two_old
so obvious
DeathxShinigami
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DeathxShinigami
bmin's superb playing style...Just WOW

Of course I'm always dogged by back and forth accusations so heh...(FUUUUUUUUU Day 1)

GG everyone.

See you in the future mafia games~
Ph0X
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LadySuburu wrote:

2. I like the no-unvoting mechanic, but at least one player didn't. I would like to hear feedback from other players.
I'd like to note that this allowed for one interesting play which wasn't even considered at LyLo:

You don't need to hammer to win as Mafia at LyLo; with just two votes you have a super-high chance of winning, and NoHItter could have been using this to his advantage (if he was Mafia). Sadly, he wasn't Mafia, so the neat little plan (which no one, again, even considered) wasn't executed.

No-votes kinda ruined day 1, though.

Also, NoHItter, 0_o, and DxS (all townies) should have noticed the signs that neither Q nor bmin talked much at all at LyLo either day. C'mon; lurking end-game is classic scum behaviour!

I wasn't really playing the game after I died (just reading and not re-reading, building a suspicion list, etc.), but if I did, I'd prolly catch a lot of things that happened. Throughout Day 3 I was pretty sure NoHItter was executing that plan I spoke of, so I thought he was Mafia.

animask wrote:

Being Mafia sounds easier D: I would've won too if I was actually mafia.
Holy crap no. Unless you're bipolar.

I'll post my opinions of each player later. At work now. =X
0_o
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0_o

Two wrote:

so obvious
oh you

I'm not gonna go on about how I should have seen the signs and whatnot, I was stuck enough in the mindset that bmin is town that I wouldn't have been able to vote him over DxS no matter how carefully I checked things over. He played well and got us good. Good game guys.
rust45
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rust45
Kudos to bmin for that game.
0_o
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0_o
Hey lets not leave Q out either, he did a pretty good job at staying under the radar. If it wasn't for No's gambit he probably would have made it to the end too.

Next time, Gadget...

NEXT TIIIIIIIIIIIME

EDIT: Also, I liked the no-unvoting mechanic. Nice twist on the classic mafia format.
bmin11
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Also, NoHItter, 0_o, and DxS (all townies) should have noticed the signs that neither Q nor bmin talked much at all at LyLo either day. C'mon; lurking end-game is classic scum behaviour!
I was on a flight x: (took 26 hours woah)

Ph0X wrote:

so the neat little plan (which no one, again, even considered) wasn't executed.
We were thinking about that, but Q being a lurker made it really risky since he was an easy target to be bandwagoned ;ㅅ;



I expected to be a townie when I sighed up since this was my first time. However, LS went to sign two noobs to be the mafia >_> We were extreamly lucky if we consider Mashley's death + animask's partialy role-claiming. Well, it was part of the game and I enjoyed you guys coming up with suspicions and evidence to back it up.

My regret during this game was to kill Ph0X. Funny how I was so determinded to kill Ph0X on D1, but after doing so, rest of the days weren't as fun as D1 :<... He would have figured Q or me out at one point, but I learnt it was better to have some suspenses around >_>



Guys, it was a great game and I'm hoping to play another mafia games with you guys :D



EDIT: I also enjoyed the No-Unvote system. It gives some extra strategy for both mafias and townies. I also liked how voting was weighed heavily :>
0_o
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0_o

bmin11 wrote:

Also, NoHItter, 0_o, and DxS (all townies) should have noticed the signs that neither Q nor bmin talked much at all at LyLo either day. C'mon; lurking end-game is classic scum behaviour!
I was on a flight x: (took 26 hours woah)
This, and Q was lurking the whole game before that anyway. I honestly just thought Q was a clueless townie until the gambit.
NoHitter
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Should have said my gut that bmin was mafia.
After my vote and bmin's reaction of "Sorry I shouldn't have voted", bmin pinged me as scum.
At least I'm glad that my gut finally worked on Quaraezha.
See Ph0x? Inactive people will usually be mafia :)
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