1. Why does the Taiko Oni use different timing? It seems like 3 out of 4 sections were removed: did you do this to avoid something from breaking in Taiko?
2. Also, i have the Stepmania file of deltaMAX and the timing seems to be done in a entirely different way, (but actually i think that the current one you're using is better): did you already try it in the past to see if it worked correctly?
3. Why did you remove the old video+SB, it was way cooler! It also gives the BPM counter if you disable the video. The new video is from a DeltaMax with a different color scheme (from the DDR X2 version) so it feels... weird, unless you change the background as well. ;_;

Card N'FoRcE wrote:

Ok, let me say that I'm considering giving this a complete check because this map deserves to be approved for the effort it took.
Still, i don't know what I'll be able to do but i will try.

But since i can't read 31 pages (;_;) i want to ask a few questions before continuing my modding:

1. Why does the Taiko Oni use different timing? It seems like 3 out of 4 sections were removed: did you do this to avoid something from breaking in Taiko?
   They looks terrible.
   
   SPOILER

   
2. Also, i have the Stepmania file of deltaMAX and the timing seems to be done in a entirely different way, (but actually i think that the current one you're using is better): did you already try it in the past to see if it worked correctly?
   >_>30ms off at the end
   
   
3. Why did you remove the old video+SB, it was way cooler! It also gives the BPM counter if you disable the video. The new video is from a DeltaMax with a different color scheme (from the DDR X2 version) so it feels... weird, unless you change the background as well. ;_;
   it has some trouble with the old video.. seems to be lost frames or other orz
   i tried a lot to solve this but i failed
   you can check it out >> http://www.mediafire.com/?7ri6h8rf38sg633
   example: 1:03

Some more little specific stuff in the meanwhile:
- [ReMix] This difficulty has some patterns that may seem weird at first, but i grasped the logic so i think they're good. this is his mapping style
00:37:254 (4,5) - this may get confused for a 3/4 delay due to the music and the previous pattern. Try this? http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/93380 this is his eggpa1n mapping style moved
- [lzy's Delta] 00:13:111 (2) - move it up-right a bit to make it exactly between the sliders k
- [lzy's Delta] 01:30:735 - missing beat here? added
- [lzy's Delta] 01:35:077 (11) - new combo? k

Nilsso wrote:

Retarded Bats =), approve this. You guys approved rainbow tylenol but not this? wtf.

Card N'FoRcE wrote:

Nilsso wrote:

Retarded Bats =), approve this. You guys approved rainbow tylenol but not this? wtf.

Cool, i try to give the map a chance without noone asking me because I think it deserves to be carefully checked and this is what i get.
Thank you, I appreciate your support.

Nilsso wrote:

[...], friends with the mapmakers. This map has 1 million stars and 1 million people wanting it to be ranked, its been around forever. Giving it a fair chance? lol.
APPROVE IT!

Nilsso wrote:

Bullshit

Kanon wrote:

CNF u a awesome.

Can the map get 573 star before app?

Alace wrote:

說好的573呢!!!

TheVileOne wrote:

Seriously stop saying it should be ranked at 573 stars. You should want it approved before then. After all once it is approved the star count disappears. Also the maps don't even reach 573. It just stops at 570 and the song isn't mapped up to 573...

TheVileOne wrote:

After all once it is approved the star count disappears.

Shiirn wrote:

TheVileOne wrote:

After all once it is approved the star count disappears.

Not anymore. Have you looked at ranked maps lately?

TheVileOne wrote:

Also why does the song continue past the 573 bpm mark? Are you saying that it stays 573 BPM for several seconds?


01:54:328 - where the diffs end

01:56:248 - end of the song?

Why?

Louis Cyphre wrote:

this will reach 573 and i'm pretty sure someone will add one more star haha

Hyguys wrote:

Taiko
Resnap all notes.
Make timing the same. Screw 4/4 Time Signature.

Card N'FoRcE wrote:

So, i discussed the Taiko diff a bit with other BATs, and here's the final conclusion:

SPOILER

[...]
14.45 <Card_N'FoRcE> : it's the fact that Taiko misses some sections because they screwup the layout while playing
14.45 <deepsea> : :O
14.46 <Card_N'FoRcE> : you all know that map has 473 timing sections
14.46 <Card_N'FoRcE> : the taiko essentially uses only ~126
14.47 <deepsea> : I'll redl it first o.o
14.47 <deepsea> : but dont have much time today
14.47 <deepsea> : damn homework <_<
14.48 <Card_N'FoRcE> : I'm listening to it at 25% and it still sounds ok
14.50 <Card_N'FoRcE> : OH NOW i get it
14.50 <Card_N'FoRcE> : essentially the beats are snapped to the 473 sections
14.50 <Card_N'FoRcE> : but he removed some the timing sections that screwed up the layout
14.50 <Lybydose> : deltamax is nothing but a single offset and 100 BPM, then increases by one BPM every beat
14.50 <Card_N'FoRcE> : yeah i know
14.51 <Card_N'FoRcE> : the timing feels really good while playing
14.51 <Card_N'FoRcE> : i'm only asking about the thing he did in the taiko diff
14.51 <Card_N'FoRcE> : i actually think it's legit, since the beats are snapped to the correct timing
14.51 <Lybydose> : so all the notes in taiko are unsnapped, but they "would be" snapped had you added the sections back in?
14.52 <Card_N'FoRcE> : they're not all unsnapped, also yeah
14.52 <Card_N'FoRcE> : they would be snapped with all 473 sections
14.52 <Card_N'FoRcE> : but having all those sections screwups the taiko layout
[...]
15.02 <Card_N'FoRcE> : yeah i checked
15.03 <Card_N'FoRcE> : using all the original 473 reports 0 unsnapped beats
15.03 <Card_N'FoRcE> : *473 sections
15.03 <Card_N'FoRcE> : and since removing the other sections makes the layout playable, i'm sure it's better to leave it as it is
15.04 <Card_N'FoRcE> : I'll write about this in the bubble post

So, considerting that the timing is actually ok and that thing is needed to fix Taiko gameplay, I feel safe at bubbling this.

Bubble #1

Nilsso wrote:

Retarded Bats =), approve this. You guys approved rainbow tylenol but not this? wtf.

Cool, i try to give the map a chance without noone asking me because I think it deserves to be carefully checked and this is what i get.
Thank you, I appreciate your support.

Nilsso wrote:

Retarded Bats =), approve this. You guys approved rainbow tylenol but not this? wtf.

marshall_racer wrote:

Strange ... In this Thread, the tags say "Stepmania", but on the Beatmap page, it shows "stepmnia"

Derekku wrote:

Popping while I remod this.

[General]
*Where did the nice storyboard go? it goes hell f_ck that video it makes me to do that
*Also, why did you change the mp3? o.O the old mp3 has fake 160kbps bitrate
*Why are the bpm sections xxx.995 instead of whole numbers? inb4 it was whole numbers and it off

[ReMix]
*BPM was incorrect the last time I modded this. It's correct now, but it's on the wrong tick (thus making the metronome wrong). Thus, move the first uninherited section to 315 (it's fine that it's overlapping the inherited section for 0.5x slider velocity). ... k
00:32:530 (2) - kinda hard to see the repeat; could you move this down just a little bit like http://puu.sh/2uoh ? k
00:46:692 (8,1) - overlap is a little bit confusing it's fine
01:31:353 (2,3) - can't tell which is the note and which is the slider... it stacks when you're playing
01:34:057 (3,4) - ^
01:47:079 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - how about switching 4/5 and 7/8? this is pretty hard to sightread at such a fast speed... No.
01:51:741 (1,2,3,4,5) - ouch... that's really confusing compared to 01:52:610 (1,2,3,4,5) and 01:53:467 (1,2,3,4,5). it's fine

[Extra]
00:43:537 (6) - couldn't even see how this slider was shaped because it's hidden by (5). Please don't make sliders hidden like this. k
00:54:847 (1,2,3,4) - confusing and nearly unrankable. Don't overlap sliders like this. :/ k
01:02:770 (1) - not snapped to the correct uninherited section. Also, it's fine to use a 0.5x inherited section at the same time as an uninherited one. k also it's snapped at 1/8
01:06:603 (5) - ^ ^
01:16:035 (10,11,12) - Overlaps like this will be unrankable in the future, so try to avoid them. Please unstack the notes from inside the slider like that. k
01:20:432 (2,3) - fix the snapping/inherited sections like 01:02:770 (1).k
01:20:799 (3) - Confusing since the same slider before it only had one repeat. slider->circle
01:39:665 (6,7) - can't tell which is the slider and which is the circle it stacks when you're playing
01:51:741 (1,2,3,4,5) - How about rotating this entire pattern so that the spacing between (1) and 01:51:522 (9) isn't the same as 01:51:412 (8,9)? k

[lzy's Delta]
00:09:015 (1,2,3,4) - stacking like that is a bit confusing. Why not spread these out a bit? k
00:41:632 (1) - sliders need to have a visible start and end, so make this larger like http://puu.sh/2uqb (this applies for all of the delta-shaped sliders, of course) k
01:02:770 (8) - try making this slider a bit easier to read as well. k
01:20:799 (5) - this slider felt really out of place to me... plus, it's easy to sliderbreak since it's so fast and has so many repeats :/ slider->circle
01:53:811 (4) - not snapped correctly fixed

[DooMAX]
*Didn't recheck yet since it was fine the last time.

[ignore's Another]
*Didn't recheck yet since it was fine the last time.

[Taiko Oni]
*Didn't recheck yet since it was fine the last time.
*However, I'm still not sure about removing uninherited sections to fix the scrolling measure bars...
*EDIT: No taiko-specific background? o.o D:

ziin wrote:

If by "500" you mean "12", then okay.