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[Editor] Improve Song playback speed with 25%, 50%, 75%.

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BilliumMoto
osu!mixer II
190 posts
Joined January 2014
BilliumMoto
My experience with mapping is very mania orientated. And let me tell you, a lot of us mania mappers use many tools outside of the osu editor to help us achieve the great results. Advanced granular stretching (abraker's post) and slowing the music down like I described using other programs, as well as a waveform and spectral visual aid are among a few of these tools.

You're right, it's much less important for ctb and standard to follow the music's rhythm very accurately, but that's no reason to make Taiko and Mania mappers suffer.
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roufou
966 posts
Joined September 2011
roufou
make a toggle I guess, I imagine this will help a lot but some people seem to be religious to keep it the way it is.

in the current editor it can get really hard to figure the proper pitch for a song and noises don't sound accurate to original speed, and this sounds like a solution.

seriously sometimes I need to map at 50% speed opposed to 25% cause I can't hear the song properly at 25%
abraker
Global Moderator
8,295 posts
Joined July 2014
abraker

BilliumMoto wrote:

You're right, it's much less important for ctb and standard to follow the music's rhythm very accurately, but that's no reason to make Taiko and Mania mappers suffer.
I agree. While not a taiko player, in mania you have to respond to the tiniest elements within music from around 4.7 stars and up. Degrading that element, whatever it may be, that is 100ms or so in length to utter crap is just not right.
Starry-
osu! Alumni
1,074 posts
Joined December 2012
Starry-
I'm still supporting this as it will be a huge help to a majority of mania mappers. I shouldn't be having to switch to audacity to slow a part of an mp3 down using pitch shift just to hear it's snap. And no, in mania you are required to have the right snap on anything when mapping - you aren't overmapping at all by doing so.

I honestly don't see what the fuss is with everyone saying they hate the song when slowed down in pitch shift. If necessary a toggle can be added but 'listening to nice music when trying to find correct snaps' should be the least of your concerns when making a beatmap. It's quite a shame people are using this reason for the basis of their argument against this feature request.
Halogen-
Former osu!mania 4K Champion: 2015
574 posts
Joined September 2009
Halogen-

Starry- wrote:

I'm still supporting this as it will be a huge help to a majority of mania mappers. I shouldn't be having to switch to audacity to slow a part of an mp3 down using pitch shift just to hear it's snap. And no, in mania you are required to have the right snap on anything when mapping - you aren't overmapping at all by doing so.

I honestly don't see what the fuss is with everyone saying they hate the song when slowed down in pitch shift. If necessary a toggle can be added but 'listening to nice music when trying to find correct snaps' should be the least of your concerns when making a beatmap. It's quite a shame people are using this reason for the basis of their argument against this feature request.
Thank you, I mean -- it's nice to see someone who is an active QAT for the part of the game that requires the most detail in beatmapping in support of this idea. It's equally as important to realize that there are multiple proficient users, including Starry-, who again, is a QAT who are having to utilize external tools.

Those who are in support of this are utilizing objectivity to explain their situation; those who are not in support of this are being completely subjective. For those of you who are talking about "listening to the song", you do realize that you are only slowing the song down for yourself to ensure correctness in your beatmap, right? This has nothing to do with the enjoyment of the song -- if you want to enjoy the song, you actually sit down and listen to it outside of osu!, or you play the song in osu! at the correct speed that it is intended at. The editor is only for the purpose of ensuring correctness, and nothing else.
Bara-
11,955 posts
Joined April 2013
Bara-
I strongly disagree
When I mod/map, and it plays at 25%, I don't want my ears to die because of horrible pitch
I know, technically, that's how it should be, but that doesn't mean people will like it
Yes, it can be useful for Taiko/Mania, but not for the other modes, and it'll only be annoying as heck to listen to, make ensuring correctness even harder
PyaKura
2,084 posts
Joined January 2013
PyaKura
Who cares if it sounds atrocious if it's for the sake of making good and accurate beatmaps. You shouldn't be using the editor to specifically enjoy the song you map anyway - hey you could just hit Esc twice to go back to the main menu and guess what, you're free to listen to it as much as you want.

If anything the current algorithm used to slow down the song is making it sound horrible.

You even said yourself that, "technically, that's how it should be". What is even your point man, you're not making sense.

Edit : what I mean is, present valid arguments and not only subjective ones. Even if the song sounds horrible slowed down, do I - do WE, as mappers - care if it helps us distinguishing sounds ? Sure I might not like it slowed down, nor does anyone else probably, but I'm not in the editor to purely listen to cool songs.
Halogen-
Former osu!mania 4K Champion: 2015
574 posts
Joined September 2009
Halogen-

Baraatje123 wrote:

I strongly disagree
That's your opinion.

Baraatje123 wrote:

When I mod/map, and it plays at 25%, I don't want my ears to die because of horrible pitch
That's also your opinion.

Baraatje123 wrote:

I know, technically, that's how it should be, but that doesn't mean people will like it
you know that's how it should be, technically, but "that doesn't mean people will like it." Why are you speaking for others and assuming that they all share the same opinion as you?

Baraatje123 wrote:

Yes, it can be useful for Taiko/Mania, but not for the other modes, and it'll only be annoying as heck to listen to, make ensuring correctness even harder
...

I'm really not going to respond to this again, because it's incorrect -- others including myself have explained why it is, and like I and PyaKura said -- being annoying to listen to doesn't matter because that's not how the song is going to be played.

at this point, it's just going to be a hope that continually bumping this makes it happen, because there still is no legitimate, objective reason as to why it shouldn't.
abraker
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8,295 posts
Joined July 2014
abraker
Bump

Please look into vocoder time stretching techniques. Here is a link to where you can choose your own music to slow down/speed up or whatever and notice how much better it sounds than time stretching by just regular methods.
Seijiro
osu! Alumni
3,438 posts
Joined April 2013
Seijiro
Tbh, I have no arguments against it, looks cool

On a side note... From what I know the new editor coming with osu!next should also have the song's spectrum under the timeline... Wouldn't that suffice to the same issue?
Danshi_old_1
Danshi_old_1
It's a bit silly but I like it
Bara-
11,955 posts
Joined April 2013
Bara-

MrSergio wrote:

Tbh, I have no arguments against it, looks cool

On a side note... From what I know the new editor coming with osu!next should also have the song's spectrum under the timeline... Wouldn't that suffice to the same issue?
Hopefully this is a reason to not add it, as everything will be visible there. If things aren't visible there, there is no (remarkable) sound
PyaKura
2,084 posts
Joined January 2013
PyaKura
Wait are you still that guy who likes to put non-sensical arguments forward?

Edit : Oooh nevermind, you are.
Halogen-
Former osu!mania 4K Champion: 2015
574 posts
Joined September 2009
Halogen-

Bara- wrote:

MrSergio wrote:

Tbh, I have no arguments against it, looks cool

On a side note... From what I know the new editor coming with osu!next should also have the song's spectrum under the timeline... Wouldn't that suffice to the same issue?
Hopefully this is a reason to not add it, as everything will be visible there. If things aren't visible there, there is no (remarkable) sound
...

you do realize by promoting the CURRENT method of slowing down songs, you are creating sounds that aren't there due to the stretching of the audio, right

do you have any objective reasoning whatsoever that supports why this isn't a good idea that can legitimately counterclaim anything that BilliumMoto or myself have said, along with anyone else who actually supports this?

MrSergio wrote:

From what I know the new editor coming with osu!next should also have the song's spectrum under the timeline... Wouldn't that suffice to the same issue?
helpful, but not the end-all, particularly for songs that are a bit more noisy or have more muddled sounds in a tight frequency range
Bara-
11,955 posts
Joined April 2013
Bara-
Wait... Does the current setting create new sounds?
Guilhermeziat
Former osu!mania 4K Champion: 2020
161 posts
Joined November 2013
Guilhermeziat
The current setting does create new sounds because the audio is stretched and granulated so much it's almost like you hear a lot of smaller sounds in between the louder ones, which might lead to using an incorrect snapping for a burst, for example (like starry showed here before, on nihonshiki).
abraker
Global Moderator
8,295 posts
Joined July 2014
abraker

Bara- wrote:

Wait... Does the current setting create new sounds?
What the current algorithm does is nothing special. It just takes a part of the sound like 5ms for example, cuts it out and puts it a bit later. What you get is choppy audio from all the "holes" moving the parts forward and the audio sounds like you were spamming the play/pause button at 280 bpm or so. If someone is mapping a high bpm map, then it's easy to mistake the start of one of those as a note as it's really hard to distinguish what is what at that level

A better way to do this would include more advanced algorithms capable if filling in those "holes" by analyzing what pitch and amplitude it should be, creating nice and smooth audio.
Loctav
Popcorn Fairy
4,496 posts
Joined February 2009
Loctav

Bara- wrote:

I strongly disagree
When I mod/map, and it plays at 25%, I don't want my ears to die because of horrible pitch
I know, technically, that's how it should be, but that doesn't mean people will like it
Yes, it can be useful for Taiko/Mania, but not for the other modes, and it'll only be annoying as heck to listen to, make ensuring correctness even harder
you are an idiot. get out.

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I don't feel like repeating all the pro's and con's of both methods again, so if anything, I would agree to a new method, as long as the current one stays as an option, making both methods selectable in the edtior and therefore giving everyone the method they need to analyze the song to the extend they require to do.
Endaris
5,282 posts
Joined June 2010
Endaris

Loctav wrote:

I don't feel like repeating all the pro's and con's of both methods again, so if anything, I would agree to a new method, as long as the current one stays as an option, making both methods selectable in the edtior and therefore giving everyone the method they need to analyze the song to the extend they require to do.
My thoughts, this isn't the kind of stuff where peppy would be against a toggle.
Bara-
11,955 posts
Joined April 2013
Bara-
I love how everyone flames at me, while not explaining properly as to my view was incorrect. With the latest posts here I finally agree with this, with a strong preferation of a toggle. I completely agree with what Loctav said. The only thing I wonder about is to why he quoted a 6 months old post of mine (again, to flame)

I honesly don't mind the huge flame, honestly, but if no one gives me a proper explanation as to why it eases mapping. If you just said that this would stop new sounds from being madr because of sounds tearing up, I'd understand it right away, and I could've seen your point of few. From a subjective point of view I disagree with this, from an objective point of few you finally made me agree with this. The only thing you could maybe improve is your behaviour against people who aren't completely familiar with such feature (pitch shifting) so they (or in this case, I) can understand as to why this should be added. I admit, my behaviour hasn't been the best here, just because I only saw it from a subjective point of few, completely ignoring the objective side and by knowing peppy's point of view against toggles. I therefore want to apologize for my sometimes ignorant behaviour
Nick9
39 posts
Joined June 2017
Nick9
I still need this. Pitch comes with the speed, when it's manually rised back to original it sounds awful and I can't hear beats properly at 25%. I am tired up of using Audacity for that purpose when in other rhythm games it comes with the option in the editor.
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