I see people asking for gd's only from experienced mappers, and i dont know if i consider myself one or not, because i have been mapping for about 7 months now. but is that long enough??
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It can mean different things depending on the speaker, usually somewhere between "someone who can make something easily rankable" and "someone who has actually gotten their name out there". In the context of guest diffs, it most likely means the former, since the mapper just wants a guest diff that won't make their set harder to rank.
Time since someone started mapping isn't a great metric for experience, but mapping works the same way as any other skill: it takes years to get good at it. Reaching rankable quality doesn't take as long: for some, it may take two years; for others, a year. People do also get there in seven months, so it's possible that you might be experienced enough to be called experienced in someone's eyes, although your uncertainty makes me think you probably aren't there yet.
Time since someone started mapping isn't a great metric for experience, but mapping works the same way as any other skill: it takes years to get good at it. Reaching rankable quality doesn't take as long: for some, it may take two years; for others, a year. People do also get there in seven months, so it's possible that you might be experienced enough to be called experienced in someone's eyes, although your uncertainty makes me think you probably aren't there yet.
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being an experienced mapper is being able to easily apply logic to your maps in accordance to music. those mappers know how to use spacing, how patterns connect to music visually and through movement, etc. using the song they have chosen as their starting point.
however, if you wanted to know whether YOU specifically is an experienced mapper, well... no, you're not an experienced mapper. looking at your pending maps, they are well below average. spacing emphasis is next to non-existant, patterns are visually unappealing, the playability is not good either. even the hitsounds and new combo usage seems to be done wrong. it is common for new mappers' maps to not be good, everyone starts somewhere. mapping is about gaining experience and mapping more. considering different options, concepts and ideologies is a crucial point for someone just starting on mapping. you can improve, if you really want. i, myself, started mapping since the day i downloaded osu, and it took me around 2 years to make something that i enjoy that is rankable. you just gotta map more. (also i hope i wasn't too harsh as that was not my intention, i just want you to keep going for improvement and that is all)
hope this clears things up
however, if you wanted to know whether YOU specifically is an experienced mapper, well... no, you're not an experienced mapper. looking at your pending maps, they are well below average. spacing emphasis is next to non-existant, patterns are visually unappealing, the playability is not good either. even the hitsounds and new combo usage seems to be done wrong. it is common for new mappers' maps to not be good, everyone starts somewhere. mapping is about gaining experience and mapping more. considering different options, concepts and ideologies is a crucial point for someone just starting on mapping. you can improve, if you really want. i, myself, started mapping since the day i downloaded osu, and it took me around 2 years to make something that i enjoy that is rankable. you just gotta map more. (also i hope i wasn't too harsh as that was not my intention, i just want you to keep going for improvement and that is all)
hope this clears things up
Topic Starter
bro why dont you have any beatmaps monkaWAiq wrote:
being an experienced mapper is being able to easily apply logic to your maps in accordance to music. those mappers know how to use spacing, how patterns connect to music visually and through movement, etc. using the song they have chosen as their starting point.
however, if you wanted to know whether YOU specifically is an experienced mapper, well... no, you're not an experienced mapper. looking at your pending maps, they are well below average. spacing emphasis is next to non-existant, patterns are visually unappealing, the playability is not good either. even the hitsounds and new combo usage seems to be done wrong. it is common for new mappers' maps to not be good, everyone starts somewhere. mapping is about gaining experience and mapping more. considering different options, concepts and ideologies is a crucial point for someone just starting on mapping. you can improve, if you really want. i, myself, started mapping since the day i downloaded osu, and it took me around 2 years to make something that i enjoy that is rankable. you just gotta map more. (also i hope i wasn't too harsh as that was not my intention, i just want you to keep going for improvement and that is all)
hope this clears things up
Aiq is a regular in mapping forum, he knows what he talking bout 
curious bout that too tho lol
curious bout that too tho lol
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aiq is MD's timing slave
Timing god*Asphiee wrote:
aiq is MD's timing slave
Topic Starter
i see now, im just bad at this game......
playing skill =/= mapping skillPentacoilz wrote:
i see now, im just bad at this game......
Sure playing can get you the hang of the order the mappers had put into the map so you can replicate, but lots of advanced skills can be achieved more through mapping than just playing, such as streams ordering, pattern choice, and so on.
The best time to start mapping is now. Don't hesitate.
Topic Starter
i meant bad at mappin.Zelzatter Zero wrote:
playing skill =/= mapping skillPentacoilz wrote:
i see now, im just bad at this game......
Sure playing can get you the hang of the order the mappers had put into the map so you can replicate, but lots of advanced skills can be achieved more through mapping than just playing, such as streams ordering, pattern choice, and so on.
The best time to start mapping is now. Don't hesitate.
please add hs on your padoru set
bruh this is funnyJ_8579 wrote:
please add hs on your padoru set
Topic Starter
bro im not ranking that.J_8579 wrote:
please add hs on your padoru set
and plus, im not good at hs.
look at this
beatmapsets/1451112#osu/2990007
imo experienced mapper means consistently able to make rankable sets or diffs, so like ~5 ranked maps
Topic Starter
well i see people calling themselves "experienced" but they registered like yesterday and have 20 graveyard mapsNao Tomori wrote:
imo experienced mapper means consistently able to make rankable sets or diffs, so like ~5 ranked maps
sure but for the purpose of making rankable diffs, only someone with several ranked diffs could possibly be considered experienced...
Topic Starter
what if the maps you have submitted are bad but you have lots of unsubmitted maps that are good(not saying mine are.. but they are better than my others.) and people only know you for your bad submitted maps
IMO no such person would exist, and would submit most of their maps which they consider good.Pentacoilz wrote:
what if the maps you have submitted are bad but you have lots of unsubmitted maps that are good(not saying mine are.. but they are better than my others.)
I know there are unranked mappers, good ones at that. But literally clicking the upload button takes no time and hurts no one; if people don't actively find it, it won't be found. Even for unranked mappers.
Everyone submits terrible maps at first. You will always be known as a "terrible mapper" until you actually post a good map and someone recognizes that.Pentacoilz wrote:
and people only know you for your bad submitted maps
Anyway, making good maps comes first. Putting yourself out there, giving yourself the "experienced" identity comes second. That doesn't necessarily mean ranking, but it means you can be proud that you can make maps of good quality. Both parts are equally important if you want to make GDs.
Not really a matter about how long you've been mapping but how much you've been mapping. 10+ maps and I'd consider a mapper decent and 20+ is experienced. By the time you hit 20 maps, you should have a pretty good grasp of how to map and be trying to go for ranked maps. That's my opinion though. You can go at your own pace.Pentacoilz wrote:
I see people asking for gd's only from experienced mappers, and i dont know if i consider myself one or not, because i have been mapping for about 7 months now. but is that long enough??
Would "complete maps" be a better metric?Quozmox wrote:
Not really a matter about how long you've been mapping but how much you've been mapping. 10+ maps and I'd consider a mapper decent and 20+ is experienced. By the time you hit 20 maps, you should have a pretty good grasp of how to map and be trying to go for ranked maps. That's my opinion though. You can go at your own pace.Pentacoilz wrote:
I see people asking for gd's only from experienced mappers, and i dont know if i consider myself one or not, because i have been mapping for about 7 months now. but is that long enough??
or "criteria-abiding maps"renzthegreat wrote:
Would "complete maps" be a better metric?Quozmox wrote:
Not really a matter about how long you've been mapping but how much you've been mapping. 10+ maps and I'd consider a mapper decent and 20+ is experienced. By the time you hit 20 maps, you should have a pretty good grasp of how to map and be trying to go for ranked maps. That's my opinion though. You can go at your own pace.Pentacoilz wrote:
I see people asking for gd's only from experienced mappers, and i dont know if i consider myself one or not, because i have been mapping for about 7 months now. but is that long enough??
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i personally think there is no way to "create a formula" that classifies mappers as experienced or not. counting "rankable" or "criteria-abiding" maps is not really reliable because there are many graveyard mappers that just experiment with the game that have few or 0 ranked maps, but are definitely experienced (Akali and Silverboxer being great examples)
counting submitted / completed maps is not reliable either. people can just decide not to submit their maps or delete their maps at any time given it's on graveyard. even if every person submitted every map they made from the start of their career, it still wouldn't be accurate given people improve at different rates: somebody could make a rankable map after 10 submitted maps, while some others would still be struggling with fundamentals even after 50 submitted maps. trying to automate everybody under a system is impossible in circumstances like this.
counting someone's ranked maps is perhaps the most accurate way to tell if someone is experienced or not, but it's not even close to good enough, considering some people simply don't want to / can't rank maps. ranked mapper = good mapper, but good mapper =/= ranked mapper.
tl;dr it's a case by case scenario
counting submitted / completed maps is not reliable either. people can just decide not to submit their maps or delete their maps at any time given it's on graveyard. even if every person submitted every map they made from the start of their career, it still wouldn't be accurate given people improve at different rates: somebody could make a rankable map after 10 submitted maps, while some others would still be struggling with fundamentals even after 50 submitted maps. trying to automate everybody under a system is impossible in circumstances like this.
counting someone's ranked maps is perhaps the most accurate way to tell if someone is experienced or not, but it's not even close to good enough, considering some people simply don't want to / can't rank maps. ranked mapper = good mapper, but good mapper =/= ranked mapper.
tl;dr it's a case by case scenario
Aiq is absolute, no sarcasm involved.Aiq wrote:
i personally think there is no way to "create a formula" that classifies mappers as experienced or not. counting "rankable" or "criteria-abiding" maps is not really reliable because there are many graveyard mappers that just experiment with the game that have few or 0 ranked maps, but are definitely experienced (Akali and Silverboxer being great examples)
counting submitted / completed maps is not reliable either. people can just decide not to submit their maps or delete their maps at any time given it's on graveyard. even if every person submitted every map they made from the start of their career, it still wouldn't be accurate given people improve at different rates: somebody could make a rankable map after 10 submitted maps, while some others would still be struggling with fundamentals even after 50 submitted maps. trying to automate everybody under a system is impossible in circumstances like this.
counting someone's ranked maps is perhaps the most accurate way to tell if someone is experienced or not, but it's not even close to good enough, considering some people simply don't want to / can't rank maps. ranked mapper = good mapper, but good mapper =/= ranked mapper.
tl;dr it's a case by case scenario
this is so specific that i cant help thinking its me, dont worry, i consider myself as lazy unmotivated mapper that wants to rank every set in hybridPentacoilz wrote:
well i see people calling themselves "experienced" but they registered like yesterday and have 20 graveyard mapsNao Tomori wrote:
imo experienced mapper means consistently able to make rankable sets or diffs, so like ~5 ranked maps