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osu!catch World Cup 2021 - Discussion Thread

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Welcome to the osu!catch World Cup 2021 Discussion Thread.
Here you can discuss everything related to this year's biggest worldwide osu!catch tournament.

Notable changes for this year (subject to change):

  1. There are changes in mappool sizes. The Group Stage mappool will consist of 14 maps, Round of 16 and Quarterfinals will consist of 15 maps, Semifinals, Finals and Grand Finals mappool will consist of 16 maps, with this the size of the NoMod bracket will be 4 in Group Stage, 5 in Round of 16 and Quarterfinals and 6 for Semifinals, Finals and Grand Finals.
  2. NoFail is forced on every map.
  3. Warmups are removed from matches.

As always, we are also looking for commentators for this World Cup, so please contact either deadbeat or WalterToro if you are interested.
Wesley
bring back warmups
Sartan
bring back warmups
Katsuragi
bring back warmups
sularis
bring back warmups
Secre
bring back warmups
Yoshi_green
bring back warmups
Two Beers In
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Colin
Bring back warmups
Tenaxzity
bring back warmups
Vincs
bring back warmups 😡😡😡😡😡
Unlucky_w
bring back warmups
Endou-
bring back warmups
Tomato
bring back warmups
Crowley
im gonna try and spark the discussion here but is there any reason why warmups were removed?

removing warmups would generally not help players who have issues on playing in tournaments and would instead fuck them over when put in the room without any sort of first unscored map

other than that, if the issue was the crunch time on groups, i think we have always managed every year by having only 3-4 min warmups max on early stages so why remove it in this year?

bring back warmups.

edit: also i believe no one wants to see warmups removed, itll just cause backlash on the community and its so fun to watch teams present what funnies they have this year, (ex. NL warmups) removing it would remove some of the entertainment value of the tournament in my opinion
Kisetsunotori
bring back warmups
DeletedUser_13957006
bring back warmups
I love my cat
bring back warmups
theconqueror12
bring back warmups
Elux
bring back warmups
Dedot
I saw your reply on the owc 2020 forum thread on why warmups should be removed, and i have some thoughts on that

WalterToro wrote:

  1. Takes a lot of time
  2. Download speeds for some people makes this even longer
  3. Teams should be already be warmed up and some warmups does the opposite
  4. Some of the warmups are plain awful memes that are borderline inappropriate
There are other reasons but this was the main discussion.
  1. we can limit the warmups duration to be under 3 minutes or 2:30 max, if a team's warmups is over than that, the team can't play the warmup
  2. team must tell what they gonna play as the warmups to the referee/opponent team 12 hour or 1 day before the match, over than that the team can't play the warmup, also if there's some players that don't have the map, the warmups will still be played/forced start
  3. this is true, and I'm pretty sure every team already warmed up before the match
  4. because the warmups will be submitted 12 hour or 1 day before the match, i think the staff can filter the inappropriate/awful memes/explicit maps, so you can decide which warmups that can be played
i can understand the reason why warmups should be removed, but i think we can overcome those problems by trying to make some rules on warmups, because playing warmups is kinda like a tradition on cwc (and also it's fun to watch)
autofanboy
bring back warmups
SirWaffle79
bring back warmups
Topic Starter
WalterToro

Crowley wrote:

im gonna try and spark the discussion here but is there any reason why warmups were removed?
Warmups have been removed since OWC2020, there has been a lot of internal discussion around the following issues (copied from my twitter):

  1. A lot of time wasted being ready, specially from teams with awful download speed trying to download warmups
  2. People pick BIG files for warmups to waste even more time
  3. Client sometimes has issues loading files, restarting the client takes time too
  4. Matches start so late after warmups that ends going over the designated schedule missing other teams warmups.
  5. Inappropriate warmups, some of those takes time to get why is inappropriate because of source, hitsounds, long mp3, bg, different language, etc.
  6. Warmups are uploaded close to the match so people have even less time to DL > more delays
Need to add that we dont wanna compromise the twitch stream with those warmups, so yeah, after two world cups without those is pretty unlikely that warmups are coming back.
RedcXca
bring back warmups
SirWaffle79
Isn't there a way to force at least some standards for warmups to tackle the issue instead of removing them entirely?
Kasumi-sama
you guys really are trying to make a discussion to get them back when they've actively been removed for two world cups already?
you're too late for any sort of change at this point, and for warmups to come back lol
kfc nugget
bring back warmups
Minato Yukina
bring back warmups
Nealth
bring back warmups
Dohland
bring back warmups
Golterboose
bring back warmups
Geniance
bring back warmups
vampi72
Bring warmups back!
Chatie
Bring back warmups!
Oku
Bring back warmups
Fre3Styl3r
bring back warmups
[Eun]
Bring back warmups
Dutchman
Bring back warmups
Romania
we need gal1 cwc commentator and bring back warmups
Arctaroll

Kasumi-sama wrote:

you guys really are trying to make a discussion to get them back when they've actively been removed for two world cups already?
you're too late for any sort of change at this point, and for warmups to come back lol
osu! discussions part 382190

Maybe they could be brought back with some restrictions if someone even bothered to discuss in the first place.
Melodies
Sad to see the warmups go, i bet we could have found a way to have them without any of the troubles you listed (except for the client, i know that).
Shyeart
Bring back warmups
davidbeh_97
#bringbackwarmups
Selo
Bring back warmups
[ Seraf ]
Bring back warmups

pls
with love <3
Aceon
Bring warmups back :)
JierYagtama
bring back warmups
woodpamp
bring back warmups
3 Macau
bring back warmups
Vanilla-
Bring back warmups
-Aletz-
Bring back warmups
Nikolai
remove warmups
Noctalium
bring back warmups
2fast
Bring back warmups
BoberOfDarkness
Forced NF zzz
Tanomoshii Nekojou
Clearly everyone wants warmups removed... its a community consensus, not an internal discussion xD sarcasm


bring back warmups
Jakkubon
Bring Back warmups and Remove NF
Morusya
bring back warmups plz this is so fun
Terton
bring back warmups
Deif
bring back warmups
No. Walter already explained why in his post.
South Korea
>osu! is a community driven game!
>internal discussion overrules community opinion

pick one

bring back warmups
Arctaroll
Is there absolutely no way to discuss anything and maybe work out bringing them back but with some restrictions so that "time won't be wasted", or is it just a solid "no"?
Topic Starter
WalterToro

Arctaroll wrote:

Is there absolutely no way to discuss anything and maybe work out bringing them back but with some restrictions so that "time won't be wasted", or is it just a solid "no"?
It is a solid no for now, they had restrictions before and didnt work so it will keep like that for World Cups.
DataPata
Sadge

The custom maps are always fun to watch/play,
and warmups were where i removed the scoreboard pre-match (as multi and solo act independently).

RIP Warmup Era
Game Brain

WalterToro wrote:

Arctaroll wrote:

Is there absolutely no way to discuss anything and maybe work out bringing them back but with some restrictions so that "time won't be wasted", or is it just a solid "no"?
It is a solid no for now, they had restrictions before and didnt work so it will keep like that for World Cups.
I honestly don't care too much for warm-ups, but legitimate question, the game is community driven, and because one set of internal restrictions failed you just straight up ban one entire aspect of the match/viewing experience? That seems a bit extreme. Could at least test out other restrictions or be open to suggestions from the community instead of instantly just being absolute about the matter.
Arctaroll

WalterToro wrote:

Arctaroll wrote:

Is there absolutely no way to discuss anything and maybe work out bringing them back but with some restrictions so that "time won't be wasted", or is it just a solid "no"?
It is a solid no for now, they had restrictions before and didnt work so it will keep like that for World Cups.
Alright. Seems like we'd have to wait until next year to at least see if anything proposed is enough to try them again...

Game Brain wrote:

I honestly don't care too much for warm-ups, but legitimate question, the game is community driven, and because one set of internal restrictions failed you just straight up ban one entire aspect of the match/viewing experience? That seems a bit extreme. Could at least test out other restrictions or be open to suggestions from the community instead of instantly just being absolute about the matter.
I don't know if it's because they don't have enough time to test it now or the old restrictions were meant to be good enough yet failed; but for now it's like putting the whole thing in stasis and locking it away in a treasure chest.
hrohoroko
bring back warmups
Mamat
I can't wait to see the mappool!
BoberOfDarkness
But whats the reason behind forcing NF?
jakeyb
how to give players axiety

step 1: not bringing back warmups some people get terrifyed if they dont know a map and will fail immediately
Chatie

Allow me to bring a compromise:


With custom maps in the mappool being a thing, why not have a custom warmup as well? This way, the organizers have total control over what map is played and can make sure the map fits to certain standards.

As mentioned:

A lot of time wasted being ready, specially from teams with awful download speed trying to download warmups
Organizers can decide the length of the warmup themselfs.

People pick BIG files for warmups to waste even more time
Again, organizers can cap the filesize. Since the warmup would be included with the mappool, there wouldn't be any long download times by any of the teams.

Client sometimes has issues loading files, restarting the client takes time too
Guess what, the warmup can be tested by staff before it gets included in the pool! Conveniently it's also one single map, so that shouldn't take too much time.

Matches start so late after warmups that ends going over the designated schedule missing other teams warmups.
Refer to point 2

Inappropriate warmups, some of those takes time to get why is inappropriate because of source, hitsounds, long mp3, bg, different language, etc.
Obviously won't be a problem anymore.

Warmups are uploaded close to the match so people have even less time to DL > more delays
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While it's sad to see creative and funny warmups by the cwc teams go, I think this should be at least a decent option to consider.
nomod is meta
bring back warmups
XisK
bring back warmups
PepperJack
bring back warmups
Barry Chopstick
Bring back warmups
Sloppy
How do you participate in this tournament
Des9
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