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osu!catch World Cup 2021 - Discussion Thread

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WalterToro
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WalterToro
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Welcome to the osu!catch World Cup 2021 Discussion Thread.
Here you can discuss everything related to this year's biggest worldwide osu!catch tournament.

Notable changes for this year (subject to change):

  1. There are changes in mappool sizes. The Group Stage mappool will consist of 14 maps, Round of 16 and Quarterfinals will consist of 15 maps, Semifinals, Finals and Grand Finals mappool will consist of 16 maps, with this the size of the NoMod bracket will be 4 in Group Stage, 5 in Round of 16 and Quarterfinals and 6 for Semifinals, Finals and Grand Finals.
  2. NoFail is forced on every map.
  3. Warmups are removed from matches.

As always, we are also looking for commentators for this World Cup, so please contact either deadbeat or WalterToro if you are interested.
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Wesley
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Joined February 2013
Wesley
bring back warmups
Sartan
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Joined March 2014
Sartan
bring back warmups
Katsuragi
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Joined November 2013
Katsuragi
bring back warmups
sularis
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Joined May 2019
sularis
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Secre
Nomination Assessment Team
366 posts
Joined January 2013
Secre
bring back warmups
Yoshi_green
175 posts
Joined August 2011
Yoshi_green
bring back warmups
zove
119 posts
Joined May 2015
zove
uh please bring back warm up, if you want, but it would be nice, not really sure why you would take them away, I think they were fun, but its not really up to me, but I liked them, so it would be nice if you brought them back, but feel free not to, how ever I think most of the community would like it if you did.
Colin
306 posts
Joined January 2015
Colin
Bring back warmups
Tenaxzity
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Joined November 2015
Tenaxzity
bring back warmups
Vincs
166 posts
Joined October 2012
Vincs
bring back warmups 😡😡😡😡😡
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Unlucky_w
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Joined August 2014
Unlucky_w
bring back warmups
Endou-
5 posts
Joined September 2017
Endou-
bring back warmups
Tomato
28 posts
Joined November 2016
Tomato
bring back warmups
Crowley
435 posts
Joined April 2015
Crowley
im gonna try and spark the discussion here but is there any reason why warmups were removed?

removing warmups would generally not help players who have issues on playing in tournaments and would instead fuck them over when put in the room without any sort of first unscored map

other than that, if the issue was the crunch time on groups, i think we have always managed every year by having only 3-4 min warmups max on early stages so why remove it in this year?

bring back warmups.

edit: also i believe no one wants to see warmups removed, itll just cause backlash on the community and its so fun to watch teams present what funnies they have this year, (ex. NL warmups) removing it would remove some of the entertainment value of the tournament in my opinion
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Kisetsunotori
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Joined December 2013
Kisetsunotori
bring back warmups
aiq
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aiq
bring back warmups
I love my cat
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Joined October 2014
I love my cat
bring back warmups
theconqueror12
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Joined February 2018
theconqueror12
bring back warmups
Elux
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Joined March 2018
Elux
bring back warmups
Dedot
79 posts
Joined August 2016
Dedot
I saw your reply on the owc 2020 forum thread on why warmups should be removed, and i have some thoughts on that

WalterToro wrote:

  1. Takes a lot of time
  2. Download speeds for some people makes this even longer
  3. Teams should be already be warmed up and some warmups does the opposite
  4. Some of the warmups are plain awful memes that are borderline inappropriate
There are other reasons but this was the main discussion.
  1. we can limit the warmups duration to be under 3 minutes or 2:30 max, if a team's warmups is over than that, the team can't play the warmup
  2. team must tell what they gonna play as the warmups to the referee/opponent team 12 hour or 1 day before the match, over than that the team can't play the warmup, also if there's some players that don't have the map, the warmups will still be played/forced start
  3. this is true, and I'm pretty sure every team already warmed up before the match
  4. because the warmups will be submitted 12 hour or 1 day before the match, i think the staff can filter the inappropriate/awful memes/explicit maps, so you can decide which warmups that can be played
i can understand the reason why warmups should be removed, but i think we can overcome those problems by trying to make some rules on warmups, because playing warmups is kinda like a tradition on cwc (and also it's fun to watch)
autofanboy
Elite Mapper / osu!trivium Champion
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autofanboy
bring back warmups
SirWaffle79
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Joined February 2018
SirWaffle79
bring back warmups
WalterToro
osu! Alumni
365 posts
Joined November 2014
Topic Starter
WalterToro

Crowley wrote:

im gonna try and spark the discussion here but is there any reason why warmups were removed?
Warmups have been removed since OWC2020, there has been a lot of internal discussion around the following issues (copied from my twitter):

  1. A lot of time wasted being ready, specially from teams with awful download speed trying to download warmups
  2. People pick BIG files for warmups to waste even more time
  3. Client sometimes has issues loading files, restarting the client takes time too
  4. Matches start so late after warmups that ends going over the designated schedule missing other teams warmups.
  5. Inappropriate warmups, some of those takes time to get why is inappropriate because of source, hitsounds, long mp3, bg, different language, etc.
  6. Warmups are uploaded close to the match so people have even less time to DL > more delays
Need to add that we dont wanna compromise the twitch stream with those warmups, so yeah, after two world cups without those is pretty unlikely that warmups are coming back.
RedcXca
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Joined March 2019
RedcXca
bring back warmups
SirWaffle79
7 posts
Joined February 2018
SirWaffle79
Isn't there a way to force at least some standards for warmups to tackle the issue instead of removing them entirely?
Kasumi-sama
649 posts
Joined March 2015
Kasumi-sama
you guys really are trying to make a discussion to get them back when they've actively been removed for two world cups already?
you're too late for any sort of change at this point, and for warmups to come back lol
kfc nugget
kfc nugget
bring back warmups
Minato Yukina
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Minato Yukina
bring back warmups
Nealth
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Joined June 2014
Nealth
bring back warmups
Dohland
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Joined November 2014
Dohland
bring back warmups
Golterboose
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Golterboose
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