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Shiirn wrote:

Since you banned me for no sensible reason whymeman, let me say this: I told 3 friends, VERY CLOSE FRIENDS, about the unrank.

>BANNED

The rest of the response is because people actually play my maps.

What. Is that legal?
Lance

Overmapped...?
Backfire
Shit just got real, when shiirn got banned. I am prepared for shitstorm.
*runs around in circles*
Also, 1clickper10second, [Lance], Backfire, dkun, ebacho, Gabi, Gaiety, h3k1ru, James2250, KanbeKotori, KRZY, Legato, lolcubes, loveFantasy, Lunet, Omega, Sakyosa, Selee, selimsrm, Shiirn, silklash, Wishy22, yeahyeahyeahhh, Yeehaw, Zetta and 1 guest all browsing. Guess everyones getting upset. :l
yeahyeahyeahhh
Just read more of whymeman's mod post, did you seriously complain about 1/6th streams that ARE IN THE MUSIC which he choose to map? Oh.my.god.
Wishy

whymeman wrote:

2.) Make the map more playable and reasonable. Its okay to use ideas for mapping, but not the kind that limits the map to more experienced players. Also, remove the silenced sections in the map. 0 volume hitsounds are unrankable.
Actually 5 stars are limited to experienced players. I really disliked this map, the skin was shit and the map didn't seem good for me at all, but saying that using ideas that limit the map to more experienced players is stupid (no offense) since difficult maps ARE MEANT for experienced players and not for average ones (if I'm wrong guess we should unrank every hard streaming map or hard jumping map...).
Selee
hey..could you guys stop making unrelated comments?

= = I really don't want this to be locked before rerank ...
Topic Starter
Shiirn

Wishy22 wrote:

I really disliked this map, the skin was shit and the map didn't seem good for me at all
And I'm perfectly okay with that.

Well, the skin's gone so half the problem there is resolved. Can't do much about the latter, but that's okay.
KRZY

Backfire wrote:

Also, 1clickper10second, [Lance], Backfire, dkun, ebacho, Gabi, Gaiety, h3k1ru, James2250, KanbeKotori, KRZY, Legato, lolcubes, loveFantasy, Lunet, Omega, Sakyosa, Selee, selimsrm, Shiirn, silklash, Wishy22, yeahyeahyeahhh, Yeehaw, Zetta and 1 guest all browsing. Guess everyones getting upset. :l



Just played the map (played it in a state before it got unranked. i.e. did not update), couldn't find any overmapping worthy of unrank. o.o



Even with the skin, first try.

Look at the acc. Overmapping does not give you that acc on your first try. The skin made sightreading impossible so I basically played by listening to the music. 99+%.

About skin elements, I thought this skin was used widely in maps? Why unrank all of a sudden?
ebacho
If I can FC it with Hidden and Hard Rock it can't be that bad.
Weez
I liked the ski (except the ctb fruits, but i really only like the original) so i'm keeping it :)
Plus yeah aren't 5 star maps usually for experienced players :S
Now i get another chance to be the last to star :3
Topic Starter
Shiirn

Weezy wrote:

Now i get another chance to be the last to star :3

Oh, oh this


PLEASE don't star after Weezy, s/he deserves this.
swish
edit: sorry ;_;
Topic Starter
Shiirn

swish wrote:

edit: sorry ;_;
;w;
intermu
what why is this unranked

.....

double soz ;_;
Sakura
For now i'll just repair star icon, since it's supposed to have one.
Star repair~

Don't forget that you need 2 different MATs/BATs to get this reranked

Good Luck!~
eveless
still in WIP now
Faust
Son of a donkey's dildo.

Let us all dedicate a sigh.
Topic Starter
Shiirn

Sakura Hana wrote:

Don't forget that you need 2 different MATs/BATs to get this reranked
Your work is heavily appreciated.
rrtyui
oh..
xierbaliti
some irc modding.

a list:
SPOILER
removed .osb file. it's not works well.
fixed unsnaped notes in EP1
fixed spacing in EP1 & EP3

looks fine now. get your bubble back ;)

EDIT: don't say it's overmapped any more. 1/6 is good and fit this music,and i can FC with HR+Hid.
Larto
SPOILER



AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Elfice
Overmapped or you just can't do 1/6ths? sad...

Have a star Shiirn~
Fraolinch
X_x
dNextGen
have fun dealing with peoples mr Shiirn ~

have a star,hope this will get ranked soon ~
Shiro
General
First of all, although storyboards elemets have to be under 800x600, peppy says one 1024x768 file was allowed - only one though.

Episode I
00:27:189 (1) - I agree with whymeman for that kind of slider. For the easiest diff of the mapset, such weirdly-shaped sliders are probably confusing and hard to follow.
01:22:475 - The hitsounds are quite loud for that section imo.
01:28:905 (2,3,4) - I understand their placement, but you really should space them evenly. Doing something like this.

Episode III
00:22:475 (3) - This should be a new combo, not the next note, for consistency.
00:25:903 (4) - If you fixed ^ add a new combo on it as well.
00:55:046 (1,2,3) - Why are these spaced a bit further than (4,5,6) ?

Episode V
00:53:546 (1) - Too far from the center of the screen so soon after the spinner.
02:23:546 (6) - I didn't see this slider's repeat when testplaying.

Not popping the bubble.

EDIT: 777th post :3
Sakura
Just adding this here just in case *me randomly exits*
Topic Starter
Shiirn

Sakura Hana wrote:

Just adding this here just in case *me randomly exits*
I have zero issue with what the contents of the mod/unrank were, just with how it was executed. I was online, active, and fully willing to discuss things, yet he never said one word in my direction. (And still hasn't)
Sakura
I just posted it for reference to clear the confusion caused, since some people keep beating up on that mod post
Komeiji Yuki
Go ;)
naptime
I like how the one thing everyone knows is the hardest part of this entire map, even numbered streams, isn't given a single mention.

Auto-watchers have the most hilarious perceptions / definitions of difficulty level.

Anyway star.
Natteke
MY STREAM COMPILATION IS OVERMAPPED, UNRANK PLEASE!

Srsly though, I don't understand why this map got unranked ?_? And "overmapped"... what? D:
Sander-Don
^ this is bullshit
Vpalach
sigh, one more map with some creativity in it got unranked ;|
TheVileOne
Surprise follow up mod
General
I think you should use the same hitsound volume for the spinner only section for the spinners. (01:50:118 - )
I suggest volume tick 3-4 rather than what you have there now.)


Episode 1


01:22:475 (1,2,3,4,5) - I suggest you lower the whistle volume by 4 ticks. Full volume is just unreasonable.

02:58:261 - Add a note here and add a clap to it. Having a note here will allow you to add a better hitsound pattern than just all claps here.



Episode 3
00:34:689 (6,7,1) - I don't like how this spacing plays. I think this needs to have the same spacing. In order for this to happen that slider combo needs to be rotated so that the sliders can properly distance snap in place. It plays much better that way.

http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/68632
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/68633

01:24:404 (5) - I think the way this repeater is positioned doesn't look the greatest. I suggest that you position it the other way to create a three pronged slider section.

http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/68635

01:40:046 (1,2) - Move to the next beat (Move slider 1 here 01:40:261 - and slider 2 here 01:40:904 - )

01:43:904 (3) - How about replacing this weird single note with another slider like the previous two notes?

http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/68639

I think it's better than just a single note and an inexplicable gap in the beat.


Episode 5

01:53:332 (1,2) - Silenced notes. The sound is loud enough to have hitsounds.
Add an inherited to fix this.
Volume tick 3 seems to work. (0-1-2-3)

01:53:814 - Continue your silenced spinner segment here if you wish. (When I say silence use volume tick 1-2. It's low enough.)
Claudia_old
lol I don't even know what to say about this.

best of luck again, Shiirn.
James2250

aevv wrote:

whymeman is pretty stupid
offence intended
Guys get a life and stop complaining, getting annoyed of this now

oh no what do we do a map got unranked for obvious skin/sb errors lets all complain
Claudia_old

James2250 wrote:

aevv wrote:

whymeman is pretty stupid
offence intended
Guys get a life and stop complaining, getting annoyed of this now
We have valid reason for complaint.

And it's not just the unrank like Shiirn said, it was how it was handled. The post honestly seems like rage at every single little nitpick a person could possibly find on the map. Hell, I thought the map was fine, even exceptional. Best beatmap 2011 go!
Sakura
I thought you said you fixed everything?
[Episode 5] still has silenced notes
Also just in case for consistence keep the volume of that section on Episodes 1 and 3 the same

Only the silenced notes on [Episode 5] warranted the pop, you may want to check off the rest of TVO's mod if you want, in either case dont kudosu this
SapphireGhost
I'm beginning to wonder if this is the most disputed beatmap on osu! yet.
Krisom

E-Hooker wrote:

We have valid reason for complaint.
Possibly, but this is not the place to do so. Contact staff if you think something is wrong with how things have been handled, otherwise the topic just gets long at it makes harder for mods and the mapper itself to fix issues over complaints that won't be taken seriously due to the lack of professionalism on handling the anger.

I'm not criticizing the content, but the way it's delivered. If you wanna help, use this topic to mod the map and help improve issues.


Shiirn: May you have any problem on re-ranking contact me. Though I see saku is handling everything pretty much nicely.
Topic Starter
Shiirn

TheVileOne wrote:

Surprise follow up mod Saw it coming from four hours away.
General
I think you should use the same hitsound volume for the spinner only section for the spinners. (01:50:118 - )
I suggest volume tick 3-4 rather than what you have there now.) Fixed.


Episode 1


01:22:475 (1,2,3,4,5) - I suggest you lower the whistle volume by 4 ticks. Full volume is just unreasonable. Fixed

02:58:261 - Add a note here and add a clap to it. Having a note here will allow you to add a better hitsound pattern than just all claps here. No.



Episode 3
00:34:689 (6,7,1) - I don't like how this spacing plays. I think this needs to have the same spacing. In order for this to happen that slider combo needs to be rotated so that the sliders can properly distance snap in place. It plays much better that way. No.

http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/68632
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/68633

01:24:404 (5) - I think the way this repeater is positioned doesn't look the greatest. I suggest that you position it the other way to create a three pronged slider section.
Suggestion denied.
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/68635

01:40:046 (1,2) - Move to the next beat (Move slider 1 here 01:40:261 - and slider 2 here 01:40:904 - ) No.

01:43:904 (3) - How about replacing this weird single note with another slider like the previous two notes?

http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/68639

I think it's better than just a single note and an inexplicable gap in the beat. I don't agree.


Episode 5

01:53:332 (1,2) - Silenced notes. The sound is loud enough to have hitsounds. The music itself is the hitsound. Fixed, though. Apparently I phrased this badly. The music is strong enough that no hitsound is needed. Satisfied, observer?
Add an inherited to fix this.
Volume tick 3 seems to work. (0-1-2-3)

01:53:814 - Continue your silenced spinner segment here if you wish. (When I say silence use volume tick 1-2. It's low enough.)

Your mod is appreciated.
Sakura
Silenced notes are fixed
Rebubbled~
Topic Starter
Shiirn

Sakura Hana wrote:

Silenced notes are fixed
Rebubbled~
6.
whymeman
Alright then, lets try this again. And seriously, please learn how to respect people or things will fall around you very, very fast.
Weez
congratzs for the first rank
PART 2!!!
SapphireGhost
Here we go again
OzzyOzrock

SapphireGhost wrote:

Here we go again
OH HERE WE GO, HERE WE GO, HERE WE GO AGAIN
Sakura
I can finally rest from modding this map X_X

off-topic: AHH YOU DIDNT GET THE LAST STAR WEEZY D:
Weez

Sakura Hana wrote:

off-topic: AHH YOU DIDNT GET THE LAST STAR WEEZY D:
I know I didn't even come close >.< but i ran out of kudosu ;_;
KRZY

SapphireGhost wrote:

I'm beginning to wonder if this is the most disputed beatmap on osu! yet.

Oh not even close. Remember Still Doll? BASARA? Perhaps even Aitai? And we are not even considering those old Myst maps.
lepidopodus
I just lol
MrGruntly
lets just hope it stays ranked now :)
Claudia_old
Lol...

But congrats, again.
Orgol
Gra~ts
Hamuko
Just because i'm a cool guy.

Artist: zts
Topic Starter
Shiirn

Teta wrote:

Just because i'm a cool guy.

Artist: zts
Already discussed, but nice try.
Hamuko
k
Glass

Teta wrote:

Just because i'm a cool guy.

Artist: zts
nope
Hamuko
You guys can say it isnt, but it is.
w/e it isn't my map.
UnderminE
What? Of course, Artist: zts
ziin
http://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmaplist?q=zts

1 artist called "zts" under the ranked beatmaps. I certainly don't know the whole deal with this music as I don't play the VNs, but we (try) to keep beatmaps organized here. none of the 7th expansion songs have the artist listed as zts, but have zts in the tags.
TKiller

KRZY wrote:

SapphireGhost wrote:

I'm beginning to wonder if this is the most disputed beatmap on osu! yet.

Oh not even close. Remember Still Doll? BASARA? Perhaps even Aitai? And we are not even considering those old Myst maps.
Evans is still the best.
UnderminE

ziin wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmaplist?q=zts

1 artist called "zts" under the ranked beatmaps. I certainly don't know the whole deal with this music as I don't play the VNs, but we (try) to keep beatmaps organized here. none of the 7th expansion songs have the artist listed as zts, but have zts in the tags.
Okay thanks, im also like this organize thingie but some people are thinking the artist was "07th Expansion" anyways, those bgms belong to Umineko No Naku Koro Ni visual novels. There are 3 or 4 composers working for it; zts, dai, pre-holder, -45. Huh, thats enough for now. lol
lolcubes
Oh I was away for 2 days and all this happened. o.o

Anyways, nice to see it ranked again.
peppy
Hey guys, take a step back and look at yourselves. This map was unranked for valid reasons. Not all of the points whymeman's brought up when modding are necessarily means for unranking, but the skin dimensions are valid reasons. The rest could be further discussed as per usual during the modding process.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves for your reaction to this. I know I am ashamed of creating a community that responds like this...
aevv_old

peppy wrote:

I know I am ashamed of creating a community that responds like this...
no one to blame but yourself
peppy
Suck my lollipop.
aevv_old
Hey peppy, take a step back and look at yourself.
peppy
Holy balls, I look AWESOME!!!!!
aevv_old

peppy wrote:

Holy balls, I look AWESOME!!!!!
boring already :( cy@ later i suppose
Lunah_old

peppy wrote:

Holy balls, I look AWESOME!!!!!
TKiller
Lollipop, lollipop, oh lolli, lolli, lolli...
Topic Starter
Shiirn

peppy wrote:

Holy balls, I look AWESOME!!!!!
If it helps, I was honestly moved by the reaction the community had...until the flaming began.
ziin

peppy wrote:

I know I am ashamed of creating a community that responds like this...
You didn't create the community. You just gave us a nice house to complain about.
Claudia_old

peppy wrote:

Hey guys, take a step back and look at yourselves. This map was unranked for valid reasons. Not all of the points whymeman's brought up when modding are necessarily means for unranking, but the skin dimensions are valid reasons. The rest could be further discussed as per usual during the modding process.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves for your reaction to this. I know I am ashamed of creating a community that responds like this...
Perhaps if whymeman had responded in a more...appropriate way.

For one thing, he had four months to bitch about anything he thought was wrong about the map. If he didn't like something, he should've picked up on it BEFORE it was ranked, at the very least.

Also, he was spouting some crap about Shiirn being rude when, from what i've seen, it was the other way around.

All I saw was a post full of rage by a BAT who was acting unprofessionally. If something went on behind closed doors, then I obviously wouldn't know, but from my point of view, I could agree that unranking it was valid, but handled in an unprofessional way.

Yes, he was doing his job, but not in a way some of us would consider acceptable.
aevv_old
2BAD THEY DONT GET PAYED 4 THIS DONT COMPLAIN
Jarby

E-Hooker wrote:

For one thing, he had four months to bitch about anything he thought was wrong about the map. If he didn't like something, he should've picked up on it BEFORE it was ranked, at the very least.
It's acceptable to do something about this shortly after the map has been ranked when the problems are apparent and objective. It's been like this for quite a while now and it has also been established that he didn't unrank this based on personal subjective issues alone. In addition to that, if you cared about score stability, you would wait a week on the off chance that you were spending all day trying to get #1 on that occasional ranked map that gets unranked within a week.

E-Hooker wrote:

Also, he was spouting some crap about Shiirn being rude when, from what i've seen, it was the other way around.

All I saw was a post full of rage by a BAT who was acting unprofessionally. If something went on behind closed doors, then I obviously wouldn't know, but from my point of view, I could agree that unranking it was valid, but handled in an unprofessional way.

Yes, he was doing his job, but not in a way some of us would consider acceptable.
Do you honestly believe that this is enough to justify the shit thrown at whymeman for taking the initiative to unrank and help fix this map? I didn't see the rudeness take place so I can't comment on the situation beyond that, but I didn't feel any real rudeness in his mod post alone outside of just typical bluntness. By the way, I really doubt Shiirn would take any sort of whymeman's criticism badly in the first place.
Topic Starter
Shiirn

Jarby wrote:

By the way, I really doubt Shiirn would take any sort of anyone's criticism badly in the first place.
Fixed for you.
James2250

aevv wrote:

peppy wrote:

I know I am ashamed of creating a community that responds like this...
no one to blame but yourself
Wow....you might actually be more stupid than I thought (and that is seriously saying something)
Gabi
Why do you guys even bother? no matter how much you discuss/flame nothing will change. The map is ranked now, stop spamming the topic.
Mismagius

peppy wrote:

Hey guys, take a step back and look at yourselves. This map was unranked for valid reasons. Not all of the points whymeman's brought up when modding are necessarily means for unranking, but the skin dimensions are valid reasons.
However he just said them like "fix it you fucktard or else you're gonna die" which isn't a really good attitude for a BAT. Shiirn just responded it with the same attitude.

Whatever, it's not my map or anything. I'm not gonna say anything else.

And of course, I'm not saying I am right. I only read the thread, and that's all I know. I am sorry if I am saying something wrong.
SapphireGhost
Oooh myyy goood

Stop talking about this please, I've had enough with the liberated drama :(
ztrot
:( why was there an extra beat at the end of every stream :(
Bittersweet
because bats fails Good question.
Jarby

ztrot wrote:

:( why was there an extra beat at the end of every stream :(
If you're talking about the 1/6 streams, then they're supposed to be like that. That's how the melody goes.
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